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New big rig needs qualified blessing

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    #2
    deejer
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭deejer


    Well if your doing builds like that I can see why its only every 7yrs :)

    I think for Eur140 you could get a better case with a bit more room. You have alot going in there especially with them two 580's

    Maybe the Corsair 600T or 650D

    If your willing to spend a bit more the Cosmos S is a nice case

    Im not sure spending Eur900 on them two 580's is the best idea though. Room shouldnt be an issue but performance wise you wont be getting the best bang for your buck.


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    Borja
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Borja


    Thanks deejer. I have to say I'm liking the Corsair 650D. I'm big on the Antec 1200 V3 because of the sheer amount of fans it has and the good air flow.

    To be honest, heat worries me a fair deal considering the components I've picked. Would that be something to worry about if I went for the Corsair 650D? Note I don't care much about noise or looks :)


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    Monotype
    Registered Users Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    You say that you have an absurdly expensive PSU because you don't want to be upgrading it... what exactly would you need to upgrade further? More graphics cards? 1.2KW is waaay over the needs of that system.

    Better SSD, although a bit dearer. That's a big SSD. Do you plan to have all your games on this?
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46112

    The latest WD black is a lot cheaper and better unless you're doing RAID.
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=37168
    The Samsung F3 is nearly as good and a lot cheaper is another good option.

    RAM is overpriced. Something like this would do a similar job. RAM speeds make very little difference on the Sandy Bridge platform.
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44319

    Monitor is a clearance product.


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    deejer
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭deejer


    ya plenty room for fans in the 650D also. And if your only going to have the SSD and one HDD you could remove one of the HDD cages for better airflow also.

    Also I take it that your going to be holding onto this for a while, and I normally dont suggest this, but Ivy Bridge is out the start of Dec so wondering would it be worth your while waiting for the next Intel socket. Especially when your spending that much.............I wouldnt wait though!


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    #6
    Borja
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Borja


    Monotype wrote: »
    You say that you have an absurdly expensive PSU because you don't want to be upgrading it... what exactly would you need to upgrade further? More graphics cards? 1.2KW is waaay over the needs of that system.

    Better SSD, although a bit dearer. That's a big SSD. Do you plan to have all your games on this?
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46112

    The latest WD black is a lot cheaper and better unless you're doing RAID.
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=37168
    The Samsung F3 is nearly as good and a lot cheaper is another good option.

    RAM is overpriced. Something like this would do a similar job. RAM speeds make very little difference on the Sandy Bridge platform.
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44319

    Monitor is a clearance product.

    Thanks Monotype. If I can save on PSU and a tiny bit on memory, I may go for that other SSD. Though, what makes it better? Any suggestions for a better suited PSU? What if I need that power in 2/3 years time though?


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    Borja
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Borja


    deejer wrote: »
    ya plenty room for fans in the 650D also. And if your only going to have the SSD and one HDD you could remove one of the HDD cages for better airflow also.

    Also I take it that your going to be holding onto this for a while, and I normally dont suggest this, but Ivy Bridge is out the start of Dec so wondering would it be worth your while waiting for the next Intel socket. Especially when your spending that much.............I wouldnt wait though!

    Ugh! I don't really think I can wait that long. 7 years is a long time! Thanks for the info though.


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    Burgo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Burgo


    Borja wrote: »
    Thanks Monotype. If I can save on PSU and a tiny bit on memory, I may go for that other SSD. Though, what makes it better? Any suggestions for a better suited PSU? What if I need that power in 2/3 years time though?

    Yeah i agree with monotpye on the ssd and the ram, I'd go for the f3 over the wd though.

    Super flower amazon psus get highly recommended here http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30068&agid=1632

    the m4 is sata3 where as the vertex is sata2, meaning it has faster theoretical speeds, and another plus is its not made by ocz!


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    Monotype
    Registered Users Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    You could cut back as far as 800W on the PSU with still room for overclocking, but if you think that big upgrades are in line, 1KW is still loads. You don't want to overestimate as you won't be maximising efficiency. It's hard to tell what the requirements will be in a few years. Efficiency is always increasing but fighting against the increase in consumption to meet performance demands. I'd still get a gold modular PSU for that level of system.
    http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38005

    I assume that you are aware that the gtx 580 aren't very good value for money. What resolution will this be running at? - i.e., plans for multiple monitors? 3D?

    You could also get the Z68 version of that board. I haven't read reviews on performance but you'd get the advantages of the Z68 chipset.
    http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=47603


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    Borja
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Borja


    Monotype wrote: »
    You could cut back as far as 800W on the PSU with still room for overclocking, but if you think that big upgrades are in line, 1KW is still loads. You don't want to overestimate as you won't be maximising efficiency. It's hard to tell what the requirements will be in a few years. Efficiency is always increasing but fighting against the increase in consumption to meet performance demands. I'd still get a gold modular PSU for that level of system.
    http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38005

    I assume that you are aware that the gtx 580 aren't very good value for money. What resolution will this be running at? - i.e., plans for multiple monitors? 3D?

    You could also get the Z68 version of that board. I haven't read reviews on performance but you'd get the advantages of the Z68 chipset.
    http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=47603

    You assume too much :P I didn't actually know the GTX580 aren't good value for money. Would you have any ideas for something else that delivers the same performance at a cheaper price?

    This would be for a single monitor running at 1080p (for now) and no 3D.

    Another question is, would the processor bottleneck the 2 GPUs if it's not heavily overclocked?

    Thanks for all the help everyone.


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    #11
    Borja
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Borja


    Also, would it be a good option to drop the 580 SLI and going for a single 590 with plans to go SLI when needed?

    If so, any suggestions for models? Would 1,000 Watt be enough for them?


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    Monotype
    Registered Users Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    So you're using one at HD (1920x1080) and no 3D. I think that you're completely overestimating the requirements of today's games. I don't think that there's anything that a single GTX 570 won't run at maximum with that resolution. A review of Metro 2033, one of the toughest games on resources gets 30 frames minimum, averaging in the 40s. With overclocking and the latest drivers, you'd probably raise that further.

    I mean that it's not good value in that it's just a little better than a 570 for a lot more money. Top cards always rise in price steeply.

    The processor won't be a bottleneck. The 2500K is very easily overclocked and most games rely more heavily on graphics cards. The higher CPUs are a waste of money as games don't utilise hyperthreading or more cores.

    Hardware is very far ahead of games at the moment as we approach the end of this generation of consoles. Game developers want to get their games on consoles and will usually build them with this in mind. While PC versions have options for higher details, it still won't have the same requirements for one built with no such restraints.

    In other words, reasons for building the kind of system that you have outlined are:
    1) Very high resolution monitors
    2) Multiple monitors
    3) 3D
    4) Showing off

    Remember that next year's €200 cards could beat today's €400 ones, so I wouldn't be in a hurry to overspend when it's not going to be used.


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    #13
    kfish2oo2
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭kfish2oo2


    Personally I would recommend you drop the SLI and go with a single GTX 580 - or for best value for money, get two GTX 560 Ti's in SLI. Together they two would cost around €300 and would match or outperform a single GTX 580, especially at that resolution.

    Also, unless your a real audiophile with seriously good hardware (studio monitors or studio headphones) you're unlikely to notice much of a difference between that sound card and onboard solutions. Onboard sound chips have come along in leaps and bounds in the last few years.


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