Green Day as a Punk/Rock Band: Yay or Nay?

bosnian

I would say no.
If you're on today's MTV, you're definitely not punk.

viadah

See? ****ing relentless.

suspectdevice

pray tell oh wise one.....tell us what subjects you think we should limit our discussion to

if there is one thing punks hates its fascists who would restrict anyones beliefs and expressing opinions

i think its funny listening to people who get their panties in a bunch when other people discuss topics they obviously have an interest and an opinion

viadah

Of more meritorious discussion would perhaps be evolving personally and as a scene under the blanket banner of 'punk', harbouring a communal spirit that allowed creative initiative to flourish and removing all trace of elements that restrict evolution by pigeon-holing any artistic endeavour to a restrictive definition of itself.

Then we could all eat a thesaurus together.

Then maybe the name we apply to ourselves in this world wouldn't be as important as the things we do. And yeah I know it's just a goddamned web forum and a brain dead topic being discussed but **** it, nothing wrong with a little idealism now and then to break the monotony.

suspectdevice

too true

pity theres only a few of us though

Viva La Gloria

languagenerd wrote: »

I do think they deserve some credit for re-invigorating the punk scene though. A lot of the kids who heard a Green Day CD in 1994, or 1997, or 2004 (or even 2009 I guess) then went back and looked up the Ramones, or Op Ivy, or Stiff Little Fingers, or The Clash or whoever and got into punk that way (I know I did, judge me if you like :P).

Same. If it wasn't for Green Day then I wouldn't like The Ramones, Screeching Weasel, The Queers, Riverdales, Operation Ivy, Dead Kennedys, etc.

ahhh..

the "genre" debate..

It always start off with "are greenday punk or not"... yada yada yada
and escalates to this...

Imo.. I couldnt give a sh!t what genre any band/artist are..
Why does it matter .. if you like their music.. so what??

Viva La Gloria

My main point was more so about the OP claiming that Green Day doesn't deserve to call themselves punks (which they haven't actually done in some time)

Malice

suspectdevice wrote: »

Is there a reason why the swastika in that picture is the wrong way round?

Viva La Gloria

Viva La Gloria wrote: »

My main point was more so about the OP claiming that Green Day doesn't deserve to call themselves punks (which they haven't actually done in some time)

Yes.. but the whole "point" has lost meaning.

It just translates into a debate over whats punk and whats not.

It's a never ending argument.

viadah

True punks never say they are punk, they just are.

So Green Day are the true embodiment of punk music.



Now, click 'unfollow thread' again and come back in another few weeks and see what's grown out of that statement. Fun times, like when you were a kid and you wondered what that carton of milk would smell like if you left it untouched for feckin' ages. It's such a punk thing to do.....

Nervous Wreck

Malice wrote: »

Is there a reason why the swastika in that picture is the wrong way round?

That's not the real picture; it's the picture as it appears when viewed in a mirror. Obvs.

Malice

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

That's not the real picture; it's the picture as it appears when viewed in a mirror. Obvs.

Ah I see. Then "Chava 94" wrote their name backwards just to complete the illusion?

Rockn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika

Buddhist punks f*ck off!

Fussgangerzone

Clearly, you're not familiar with the new romantic phase that the Damned went through.

XenaLady

nopeh. Never been.

Sids Not

Who da fcuk are greenday...........i know the name from somewhere...:p

XenaLady

dont mix wit greenstar

seanmca

Who cares? They are what they are. Punk isnt set in stone, its not up to somebody to say THATS punk and THATS not...
Music is always changing and evolving, remember when pop-punk was an insult? now its a genre.

Punk bands nowadays are not even comparable to punk bands years ago, you cant say that either band is better or one is punk and the other isn't because punk isn't about labels.

In the words of Marge Simpson "If you're really cool, you don't need to be told your cool"

Brennaldo II

Punk is not about breaking down what the genre means or stands for. Punk is about being you, standing up for what you believe in and not caring what people think of you because of it..

.. to the people who think Green Day are 'sellouts' and lost their true punk side, I'll leave you with this quote from Elvis Costello in a documentary about the bands early history:

"You gotta decide if you wanna keep repeating yourself
in the hope of keeping those first few people interested,
or if you want to be true to yourself, which in some sense
is more punk than anything"

.

LH Pathe

A rock band alright. and a 'punk' band..

but not a punk band as punk instills a stubborn attitude toward stadium stuporstars in finding the most obscure diy raucous incendiary **** that is most defo not green day.

You lot are quite young I take it? well.. wait til you taste the hard stuff but don't go gratituous hardcore just for the sake of it

bassey

Don't be such a condescending arse, everyone starts somewhere

zkevinz

Green day are a pure punk band, maybe not there recent music like there album 21st century breakdown. its like they changed genre with this album, but with there music back in the 90's punk all the way

LH Pathe

Fussgangerzone wrote: »

Clearly, you're not familiar with the new romantic phase that the Damned went through.

that was pretty fückin ropey alright. vanians look from back then was nabbed for tim burton's sweeney todd

Bluefoam

I wonder what the OP thinks bands like The Undertones and Blondie are? They were part of the punk pop generation - they weren't hardcore - but punk doesn't have to be hardcore? But do we need to look back in history now and delete these bands from punk history, because some people only recognising hardcore punk?

The OP was only offering his opinion - but I think he needs to be educated...

Degsy

zkevinz wrote: »

Green day are a pure punk band, maybe not there recent music like there album 21st century breakdown. its like they changed genre with this album, but with there music back in the 90's punk all the way

:rolleyes:

Nothing to do with punk..no way,no how.

Bluefoam

Degsy wrote: »

zkevinz wrote: »

Green day are a pure punk band, maybe not there recent music like there album 21st century breakdown. its like they changed genre with this album, but with there music back in the 90's punk all the way

:rolleyes:

Nothing to do with punk..no way,no how.

As I've said previously in this thread, I think that some people here have a lack of understanding of what punk actually is...

LH Pathe

Green day are punk style but no substance. like the image punk tressed up in bondage gear but with no real grasp of the true essence this is PUNK kids where even Jello f'n Biafra got called a rockstar and was attacked for overrecognition.

I urge you lot to delve into early 80s underground in particular and as punk was a fairly subdued genre with the likes of new-wave pop given airtime as 'punk' anyhow I mean the real underbelly - the real essence, the real time and place there's punk ethic, there's punk music can't have one without the other but you'll be wanting the music moreso