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Wearb

Kalyke wrote: »

Is it OK ask for recommendations for installers here?

Yes, so long as those replying with suggestions do so by PM

Kalyke

I am looking for recommendations for an experienced installer in the Cork/Waterford area please. Thanks.

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Wearb

Kalyke wrote: »

I am looking for recommendations for an experienced installer in the Cork/Waterford area please. Thanks.

MOD NOTE: Any detailed answers by PM

Have a look here

http://www.orielflues.com/hetas-training/hetas-installers/

Shoobs86

howdy peeps. I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times. Im buying a house that currently has two stoves - one with "back boiler". I'm not sure that they are going to leave the stoves when they sell though, so I'm researching new ones just in case.

I have no clue, just so you know.

What is a multi fuel stove? as in what are the fuels and can you not burn more than one thing in the other ones?

What's the story with the "stove with back boiler" - do I need to buy a specific type of stove to replace this?

I think that's it. I will get someone to install them for me if needs be.

TIA

irishbuzz

Shoobs86 wrote: »

What is a multi fuel stove?

A stove that can burn either wood or coal.

Shoobs86 wrote: »

What's the story with the "stove with back boiler"

Back Boiler stoves provide some heat to the room they are installed in but will also provide heat to the radiators within the house. This will supplement any existing central heating.

The other stove you will have will be a room heat only stove.

Shoobs86

irishbuzz wrote: »

A stove that can burn either wood or coal.



Back Boiler stoves provide some heat to the room they are installed in but will also provide heat to the radiators within the house. This will supplement any existing central heating.

The other stove you will have will be a room heat only stove.

Thank you very, very much

irishbuzz

Shoobs86 wrote: »

Thank you very, very much

No problem. This thread has been helpful to me too in the past so happy to give a little back

Water John

Highly unusual for stoves to be removed and would be part of the sale price, esp if described in the sales brochure
The white goods, fridge, washing machine etc, would probably not be, as they are easily moved and not permanently fitted. However many sellers allow the purchasers an option to buy these, at a reasonable price.

pedroeibar1

A stove is a 'fixture', so it is 'part' of the house and must be left. Chandeliers, fridges and free-standing cookers are 'fittings' and may be removed. If they are installed in a fitted kitchen (e.g. built-in fridge with door matching presses) you should clarify with the agent.

Shoobs86

Thanks everyone. Yes, I had assumed that they would be included. Maybe they will. When they sent me the contracts it said that no appliances were included - which is grand - but of course I googled whether stoves are considered a fixture or not and google made me paranoid cannot wait to have a stove, would be nice on a day like today! Lots of snow in Limerick this morning

EvanUpwards

Hey guys,

I'm looking for recommendations for stove fuel. Since installing the stove I have burned almost everything bar coal. It's a multifuel stove but I don't want to burn coal. In terms of heat I've had success with kiln dried beech and wood briquettes i bought in aldi. Both seemed good but I liked the briquettes as storage seems easier.

Anyone use wood briquettes and if so what type and where to get them?I'm in Dublin city. I've looked online and there are a lot of different types.

Also what any recommendations for a stove fan?

Thanks

Shefwedfan

EvanUpwards wrote: »

Hey guys,

I'm looking for recommendations for stove fuel. Since installing the stove I have burned almost everything bar coal. It's a multifuel stove but I don't want to burn coal. In terms of heat I've had success with kiln dried beech and wood briquettes i bought in aldi. Both seemed good but I liked the briquettes as storage seems easier.

Anyone use wood briquettes and if so what type and where to get them?I'm in Dublin city. I've looked online and there are a lot of different types.

Also what any recommendations for a stove fan?

Thanks

Do you have a big garage/area that you can store fuel? or you limited to where you can store fuel?

Buying in bulk is best option but you are taking about pallet size deliveries so need space to store and easy access if possible or you will be doing a lot of moving by hand

EvanUpwards

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Do you have a big garage/area that you can store fuel? or you limited to where you can store fuel?

Buying in bulk is best option but you are taking about pallet size deliveries so need space to store and easy access if possible or you will be doing a lot of moving by hand

I have space out the back of the house but nothing to shelter the wood as of yet. I plan to have a large shed out there by the summer but for the next couple of months I was thinking about the wood briquettes as they seem to mostly come plastic wrapped. Any thoughts on these?

Thanks

CD2017

Someone has recommended a Stovax stove as we are looking for something contemporary... any recent experience of them? TIA

Uriel.

CD2017 wrote: »

Someone has recommended a Stovax stove as we are looking for something contemporary... any recent experience of them? TIA

I have the Riva 55, great stove have had no issues with it. Have had some issues with chimney and draw but they've been largely resolved now. Don't think they were stove related.

Shefwedfan

Just wondering, I have Green 8kW solid fuel stove, was installed in house when I bought it. Works perfectly after I fixed the flue. Anyway the other evening I heard a loud bang. No idea what it was.....didnt really think much of it

Today was cleaning it out and one of the back steel/iron panels is bent. Looks like it popped out and busted into the grate....not sure if you can see from pics.

I checked back of stove and it is not affected, I guess this is not an issue? anyone seen this before? what might have caused it?

Barr

Hi All

I am looking at buying a Henley Elite G1 multifuel at present.


Does anyone have advise /opinion on that particular stove ?

Forge83

Barr wrote: »

Hi All

I am looking at buying a Henley Elite G1 multifuel at present.


Does anyone have advise /opinion on that particular stove ?

Good stove but not really a multi fuel even though they say it is. If buying I’d advise only burning dry wood.

Barr

Forge83 wrote: »

Good stove but not really a multi fuel even though they say it is. If buying I’d advise only burning dry wood.

Thanks Forge , could you expand on that a bit. The sales guy said I could burn coal etc.

Forge83

Barr wrote: »

Thanks Forge , could you expand on that a bit. The sales guy said I could burn coal etc.

The sales guy is only reading from the brochure. Anybody with knowledge on stoves who would inspect this stove would tell you it’s design and materials used won’t hold upto coal in the long term. I’m sure also if you requested a test cert from the salesman, he will provide you with one where wood was used and not coal.
That’s not a fault on the stove, it’s a quality stove. Just not made for the madness of Irish people who want to burn coal in every stove.
No good room heating stove should require coal to heat sufficiently.

Long Turn

Hi,

We have a small guesthouse, high ceilings and 22 radiators run on oil.
We are looking at putting a wood burning stove in a sitting room - with back boiler to heat the rads. We have been recommended a Henley Hampton 30. Has anybody here any knowledge of these or any alternatives.

Thanks in advance.

Shefwedfan

Long Turn wrote: »

Hi,

We have a small guesthouse, high ceilings and 22 radiators run on oil.
We are looking at putting a wood burning stove in a sitting room - with back boiler to heat the rads. We have been recommended a Henley Hampton 30. Has anybody here any knowledge of these or any alternatives.

Thanks in advance.

i have circa 21 radiators. Counting in my head now so maybe 1 more.

I have the Glenmore 30B. It puts the same heat to the radiators as the Henley. I will fill it up with a load of logs and then probably a full 20kg bag of coal in a day. The rads will be warm and the house will be warm but the heating also kicks in that evening. It is great because it holds the heat, so I can throw a bucket of coal in at nighttime and then in middle of night the radiators will still have heat in them.....

You will use a lot of logs/coal if it is the only heater for a house with 21 rads

Long Turn

Shefwedfan wrote: »

i have circa 21 radiators. Counting in my head now so maybe 1 more.

I have the Glenmore 30B. It puts the same heat to the radiators as the Henley. I will fill it up with a load of logs and then probably a full 20kg bag of coal in a day. The rads will be warm and the house will be warm but the heating also kicks in that evening. It is great because it holds the heat, so I can throw a bucket of coal in at nighttime and then in middle of night the radiators will still have heat in them.....

You will use a lot of logs/coal if it is the only heater for a house with 21 rads

We heat the rads with oil at present. I was told that we could use both. The back boiler or oil.

Shefwedfan

Long Turn wrote: »

We heat the rads with oil at present. I was told that we could use both. The back boiler or oil.

We have the same. Don't get me wrong on a coal day their is nothing better. I fire it up and it will go all day and then keep house warm at night.

It will burn a lot of fuel as mentioned.

With that amount of rads you will not get piping hot radiators unless the oil kicks in. What I find is a slow build up of heat in the house but once you keep a decent fire going it really does keep the house warm..

My wife who is coldest person in the World complains if I have it going all day/night that the house is too warm at night then to sleep

Long Turn

Shefwedfan wrote: »

We have the same. Don't get me wrong on a coal day their is nothing better. I fire it up and it will go all day and then keep house warm at night.

It will burn a lot of fuel as mentioned.

With that amount of rads you will not get piping hot radiators unless the oil kicks in. What I find is a slow build up of heat in the house but once you keep a decent fire going it really does keep the house warm..

My wife who is coldest person in the World complains if I have it going all day/night that the house is too warm at night then to sleep

Thanks for the reply. Hope to use logs mostly. A lot required?

clfy39tzve8njq

Long Turn wrote:

Thanks for the reply. Hope to use logs mostly. A lot required?

Don't think you'll get the rads hot enough with logs alone

Barr

Forge83 wrote: »

The sales guy is only reading from the brochure. Anybody with knowledge on stoves who would inspect this stove would tell you it’s design and materials used wo<script id="gpt-impl-0.4468165999398904" src="https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/gpt/pubads_impl_181.js"></script>n’t hold upto coal in the long term. I’m sure also if you requested a test cert from the salesman, he will provide you with one where wood was used and not coal.
That’s not a fault on the stove, it’s a quality stove. Just not made for the madness of Irish people who want to burn coal in every stove.
No good room heating stove should require coal to heat sufficiently.

Thanks Forge , good info there.

I would like the option of coal as well as wood so might look for alternatives.

Shefwedfan

Long Turn wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. Hope to use logs mostly. A lot required?

Wasting your time with logs, Im sorry to say, I tried that for the first few months. Would load it up to the top....great fire but nothing to the radiators

Without coal you wont generate enough heat to heat the water

CD2017

Uriel. wrote: »

I have the Riva 55, great stove have had no issues with it. Have had some issues with chimney and draw but they've been largely resolved now. Don't think they were stove related.

Great thanks, lots of the reviews online have slated it, I need two and was looking at the Riva 50 for the smaller room and the Studio 2 for the larger space. Most people are complaining about the amount of smoke that comes from them when topping up etc? Have you had anything similar? Also is there anything you would recommend we do in advance of install to prevent walls cracking or other issues? The guy in the shop recommended getting Magnesium board instead of letting the builder plaster that wall??
TIA

OwenM

Barr wrote: »

Forge83 wrote: »

The sales guy is only reading from the brochure. Anybody with knowledge on stoves who would inspect this stove would tell you it’s design and materials used won’t hold upto coal in the long term. I’m sure also if you requested a test cert from the salesman, he will provide you with one where wood was used and not coal.
That’s not a fault on the stove, it’s a quality stove. Just not made for the madness of Irish people who want to burn coal in every stove.
No good room heating stove should require coal to heat sufficiently.

Thanks Forge , good info there.

I would like the option of coal as well as wood so might look for alternatives.

Long Turn wrote: »

Hi,

We have a small guesthouse, high ceilings and 22 radiators run on oil.
We are looking at putting a wood burning stove in a sitting room - with back boiler to heat the rads. We have been recommended a Henley Hampton 30. Has anybody here any knowledge of these or any alternatives.

Thanks in advance.

In this weather you will need coal to get the rads hot enough. Otherwise you will need dry hardwood, kiln dried is too expensive in Ireland and our humid climate means they absorb some moisture back. I use a Henley 17kw boiler stove to heat 11 rads and the hot water. During Sep/Oct I use softwood - mainly larch @ 15% moisture. Nov to Feb is Hardwood < 20% moisture and coal as required. I will have my shed full of split dry logs full by June at the latest so it gets another season to dry.

In order to keep enough fuel for your proposed stove you would need a shed about 4 x 5 m full of wood and about 20 x 40kg bags of coal. Thats a lot of fuel to be dragging around. Maybe consider a pellet boiler stove? 

If your ground floor has a large open space then a dry stove would be a good addition, it would allow you to turn off the rads in this space and as someone else pointed out, no need to put coal in them. 




Your house is quite large, have you looked at zoning the heating system to reduce demand?

Long Turn

We have a plentiful supply of trees around the house and thought that this would be sufficient.
We could start the radiators with the oil boiler for an hour and let the stove keep it topped up for the day. Or am I being too optimistic?

Cona

Sorry if this is asked already...what are people's thoughts on Heritage stoves from Right Price Tiles?

They currently having a sale with some good value stoves but I wonder are they just cheap quality....thanks

Shefwedfan

Long Turn wrote: »

We have a plentiful supply of trees around the house and thought that this would be sufficient.
We could start the radiators with the oil boiler for an hour and let the stove keep it topped up for the day. Or am I being too optimistic?

You need to get the stove up to heat before it will kick in the pump. You can turn down the temp before the pump kicks in but this is pointless.

The issue I had was I couldnt get the temp up high enough for the pump to kick in so you are not heating the water to push around the house.

You can use kiln dried wood but this will cost more than coal

If you are planning on cutting the wood and using then you need to dry for 1-2 years.

This is what I done, house was surrounded with trees, cut them down. 3 sheds full but you they will heat room but not the rads so I buy coal in from North and use that in bid betsy

I am going to swap the smaller room heater stove for wood pellet stove and see how that works and then might swap the bigger one. Once all the wood in sheds are burned up :-)

damo80

hi looking for some advice please. tried searching but mixed results.
with the "beast of east" coming can you tell me if its safe to light my boiler stove with no electricity - some posts saying yes and others no? if ESB goes when lit whats best procedure then?
also and probably most relevant but is it safe to light stove with no mains water (frozen mains)
many thanks for any help

chuck eastwood

damo80 wrote: »

hi looking for some advice please. tried searching but mixed results.
with the "beast of east" coming can you tell me if its safe to light my boiler stove with no electricity - some posts saying yes and others no? if ESB goes when lit whats best procedure then?
also and probably most relevant but is it safe to light stove with no mains water (frozen mains)
many thanks for any help

Mains water going makes no difference. Heating is a separate system. If your electricity goes and you can't power a circulating pump then do not attempt to light the stove. It will boilthe water and damage your stove

damo80

chuck eastwood wrote: »

Mains water going makes no difference. Heating is a separate system. If your electricity goes and yoy can power a circulating pump then do not attempt to light the stove. It will boilthe water and damage your stove

thanks for that Chuck

Barr

Hi All

I have shifted my look too a stove that suits a corner.

The two I have come across is a Nordpeis Qaudro 2 and the Nordpeis S-31A

What would ye reckon of those options.

I had hoped for a multifuel but seems they come as wood only.

funkey_monkey

Hi, does anyone have recommendations for a stove fan and is a thermometer on the stove a necessary addition?

k123456

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Hi, does anyone have recommendations for a stove fan and is a thermometer on the stove a necessary addition?

I bought a generic one from Ebay , not happy with it, as it only rotated when the stove top was v hot

replaced it with a Hansa, more expensive but it works v well

Mickeroo

Do Stove fans work? And would they fit on top of an inset?

Kalyke

Mickeroo wrote: »

Do Stove fans work? And would they fit on top of an inset?

You should not need them on an inset.

Kalyke

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Hi Hashey,

the Riva 66 instruction will clearly state that the chimney breast needs to be plastered with heat resistant screed. We couldn't get it easily, so we used a sheet of 12mm masterboard fitted to the wall with the hole cut through for the unit to sit on the concrete plinth we built above the log store. This was painted with heat resistant paint and it has worked well with our Riva 55 for years. I wouldn't pack with rockwool, as this restricts air movement which helps keep the back of the unit cool. The air will be drawn under the stove and it is then vented out through the top using convection currents, which so many inset stoves utilise. With the bigger Riva products, this heat can also be ducted to other rooms if needed and this can all be encouraged with optional electric fans.

You should think about steel lining with insulation as it is possible that the existing clay liners may not have insulation around them, but as Peter says, it is unlikley this is the full cause, but it could only help. Read the other posts on reducing the diameter of the flue to suit the appliance.

Best regards

David

Mickeroo

Our inset doesn't work like that I'm pretty sure.

leck

Mickeroo wrote: »

Do Stove fans work? And would they fit on top of an inset?

I'm wondering the same as I have an inset stove in the sitting-room which gets nice and warm and there is an archway into the kitchen next to it, but the warm air doesn't circulate into that space.

It seems you would need a shelf to attach a fan. And the shelf conducts the heat to the fan.

There is this shelf on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Valiant-FIR134-Inset-Stove-Bracket/dp/B01M9D3R3S

Mickeroo

leck wrote: »

I'm wondering the same as I have an inset stove in the sitting-room which gets nice and warm and there is an archway into the kitchen next to it, but the warm air doesn't circulate into that space.

It seems you would need a shelf to attach a fan. And the shelf conducts the heat to the fan.

There is this shelf on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Valiant-FIR134-Inset-Stove-Bracket/dp/B01M9D3R3S

We've a stratford eb12i and it has a nice flat top on it so I think we might get away without the shelf. Its a very good stove for heating the radiators and that but not a great room heater so I'm curious to see would these fans work.

Kalyke

https://stovefanreviews.com/which-wood-stove-fan-do-i-need/

Vetch

I'm in the market for an inset stove and have been reading this and other threads, and about various problems people have written about. I'm trying to understand what the biggest causes of problems are in order to educate myself a bit. Is it poor installation? Is it poor stoves? Is it stove users not experimenting with stove settings to get it right? Problems with chimneys? Is it a bit of all of them or something else altogether?

CD2017

Vetch wrote: »

I'm in the market for an inset stove and have been reading this and other threads, and about various problems people have written about. I'm trying to understand what the biggest causes of problems are in order to educate myself a bit. Is it poor installation? Is it poor stoves? Is it stove users not experimenting with stove settings to get it right? Problems with chimneys? Is it a bit of all of them or something else altogether?

Would love answers to this too. Have almost done a deal on 2 X Stovax insert stoves and just a little concered as its a huge purchase. Guy in the store has reassured me they are a grat brand, no problems etc but I would love a bit more feedback about potential downfalls with them

kerdiff

Can anyone recommend a hot air distribution stove over boiler stove. My home is about 250 square meters and not to sure what system to go for.

Forge83

Vetch wrote: »

I'm in the market for an inset stove and have been reading this and other threads, and about various problems people have written about. I'm trying to understand what the biggest causes of problems are in order to educate myself a bit. Is it poor installation? Is it poor stoves? Is it stove users not experimenting with stove settings to get it right? Problems with chimneys? Is it a bit of all of them or something else altogether?

In short it’s a bit of all of the above.
Get a well known branded stove and a qualified installer and you should be fine.
Ask the questions about stove install, settings and chimney draughts beforehand.