STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668503#Comment_119668503

Is that rust a band or is it a weld. I would have presumed that the flue is going down over a collor that is fitted to the stove. Dose the cover lift off the stove.

Are you trying to replace the stove or the steel plate.

SMacBloscaidh

Hi

I have a Hamco Ree stove and the top vent is jammed. There is no movement in the lever at all. Does anyone know how i can get access to free it or see what the issue is?

Thanks

Stephen

slystallone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668665#Comment_119668665

This is the view under the cover. Do you reckon the flue is held in place with something or just shoved in really good. The Flue is not lifting when I try.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119673681#Comment_119673681

Is that the original collar on the stove. They may have attached the collar to the flue ( welder it) and then welded the whole lot to the stove. I would not think that the collar is a standard flue collar. Usually there would be fire cement sealing it.

What is you end term plan for this project. Is it to replace the stove or to get rid of the steel plate on the ceiling or both.

slystallone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119673774#Comment_119673774

I am not sure if it is original collar as have been involved in its installation. My plan now is to find out how far up the Flue goes and find out what is above it and then rectify anything that needs sorting

mp3ireland2

Has anybody mounted a Geocast beam onto plasterboard? Do I need to find a stud to hang it? Has anybody any instructions or even photos of the brackets. I can't find any useful instructions online, they only have a diagram to show to keep out of the line of sight of the stove: https://www.capitalfireplaces.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/GEOCAST-BEAM-INSTRUCTIONS.pdf

I can't find useful info. Have contacted a couple of vendors but maybe somebody here has experience. I am new enough to DIY, I have a stud finder but so far have only used to locate electrical wires and have just been hanging light shelves off the plasterboard.

dashcamdanny

Hi. what make of insert stove would you recommend. 5kw 1k budget ? I wanted the waterford stanley cara, but its 6.5kw. Too hot.

mikewest

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668617#Comment_119668617

Smartass reply: this is why they invented fireplaces.

Non smartass reply: you need something decorative that allows thermal expansion while being fixed to the back wall. It will cover up a multitude of sins. There are a huuuuuge range of looks and materials available.

Forge83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119698151#Comment_119698151

1k for just the stove? Or 1k for stove, pipe and fitting?

dashcamdanny

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701483#Comment_119701483

I was thinking 1500 all in. I am not going to line the flue. So it will be a reducer for the clay pit

Forge83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119709144#Comment_119709144

You will get a 5kw Henley Apollo or equivalent for around €750. Flue adaptor kit approx €150. So materials will be easily doable under 1k. However price on installation can vary massively from county to county.

slystallone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119673774#Comment_119673774

Would a liner then typically be attached to top of stove pipe?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736953#Comment_119736953

Generally stainless steel either a straight pipe or a flexi.

Forge83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119737104#Comment_119737104

Flexi should never be attached directly to a stove. A minimum of 500mm solid pipe either stainless or vitreous is advised before attaching to Flexi.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601681#Comment_119601681

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740721#Comment_119740721

There is pipe leaving the stove if you go back two pages on this thread you will see where we started. He has a pipe stuck solid to a Stove that goes directly into a chimney and he trying to do a job on it

Thou

Looking for advice re: free standing boiler stove would a 21kw be too big for a 4 bed bungalow 10 rads, 3 of them being doubles. Living room/kitchen is roughly 14 ft x 17 ft, would stove be too big for that room? Any thoughts/advice would be much appreciated, thanks

clm123

Hi, I have an old Nestor Martin wood burning stove. Would anybody be able to tel me how I can identify the model and kw of the stove. I can find a ten digit number it the ash door but that is all. Any help greatly appreciated.

Pierrette

Hi all,

I removed an old open fireplace yesterday. I'm now looking at a big hole in the wall. 480mm wide. What would my options be to get a stove installed.

I like the aesthetic of the oisin Stanley however my opening wouldn't be big enough for a stand alone?

zigzag89

I’m looking into stoves at the moment and was also considering both of these. Did you go with one of them?

anewme

More stupid question(s). I have a wooden fireplace and a gas fire installed.

Can I

(a) get rid of the gas fire and just leave an open fire

(b) install a stove (cassette) or do I need to replace the wood fireplace, the granite hearth as well.

I have seen stoves installed where there looks like bricks in the Chamber. Some of these look very fake. Is there recommendations for real choices.

How much am I looking at (ballpark) for this work? Or can anyone recommend a specialist who can come out and give me options? The gas fire is absolutely useless and its time to get it out.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810646#Comment_119810646

Wooden fire surrounds warp and crack because of the heat of stoves. Open fires are too inefficient to use nowadays.

A lot will depend on the flue used for the gas fire at a guess it will need replacing as many flues used for gas fires are unsuitable for stoves. It ma be as well that the gas fire was just put in the old clay flue.

Cost depends on many thing. How much you can do yourself. Is it a two story or a bungalow. How expensive a stove you want and how big. Lately U have seen stoves that were probably 7-800 last year are now gone to 1k.

If you can find a suitable stove for 500 other materials will cost 500ish labour will be around a thousand depending on who you get

If you go to a stove shop expect to pay 3k+ in total

vectra

I am looking at removing my old backboiler with a door fitted and replacing it with a Henley Achill 17kw inset stove.

I have clay flue that seems to be in good order. Some say it will be perfect to hook the Henley to this, others are saying I need to get a flue liner.

Also, the BB fitted at the moment is an old firebird boiler. ( not the supreme ) should I see a big difference in heat and fuel consumption?

What's the thoughts on this?

Thanks

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811398#Comment_119811398

Thank you very much for the very comprehensive advice. It can be a minefield to know where to start.

I won’t be able to do any of it myself so will be going to Stove shop/supplier.

if anyone has any recommendations they have used for suppliers please let me know by pm.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811410#Comment_119811410

A back boiler is only 20-30% efficient, even with a door it will probably be in the low 50's, efficiency of a stove is 70%+ some run as high as 85%.

The advantage of replacing the flue is that it increases the efficiency of the stove. You are heating a 5'' diameter flue rather than an 8'' diameter clay flue.

If it a bungalow you would nearly do it yourself. If you put on a flue you are also insulating that flue with vermiculite.

vectra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812172#Comment_119812172

Thanks for the reply.

It is a 2 story house.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119814184#Comment_119814184

A lot of people will work on a bungalow roof as it's usually not as steep as a 2story and it much easier to work off that height with a bit if scaffolding

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811398#Comment_119811398

Just giving some feedback on this. Visited a Heating supplier today and asked the same questions.

They said I would need to replace the Fireplace/Hearth (mine is one piece) and Back panel - not sure if that is the name.

I think the stove they were quoting was a Stovax (insert)

The quote was in the region of €6.5k. The one with the chamber etc is in the region of €10K. The finish on the walls would be left ready to paint, but any changes to skirting boards/wood floor would have to be done by me.

Their recommendation was to install a more efficient gas fire (Gazco) which would leave everything as is - cost in the region of €2,500.

Thought that was a bit mad.

No stove or Gas Fire for me!

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119834521#Comment_119834521

I got a woodpellet stove installed in a holiday home two years ago. Stove was 2.2k. flue liner pipes, angles and chimney flue hood cost 3-400 as well as a couple bags of vermiculite. I also bought some tiles another 200.

Lad doing the fitting cost 750 euro and he had a second matching black granite hearth. He also supplied lintels, corner beading, a sheet of fireproof plaster board, bonding and hardwall. He had a labourer with him and he tiled and skimmed it everything from start to finish in the eight hours.

It was done in about 8 hours. How much was the stove by itself.

The Hearth and sorround are always two parts. The back concrete/ clay back is always removed. Hardest part is deciding what you will do around the insert

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119834562#Comment_119834562

Stove was about 2.2K - but needed fireplace, hearth, and other bits, fireplace was nearly 2K, so all in 6.5K.

The gas inset option was 2.5K leaving everything as is. (4Kw output)

blackbox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119780868#Comment_119780868

I identified my Nestor Martin by doing an image search on Google and went through them all until I found one that looked like mine.

mp3ireland2

Has anybody got the dimensions for installing a Geocast beam?

https://elegantfires.ie/product/light-oak-geocast-beam/

The instructions online mention a template but there's no details of this template given. I've tried emailing and phoning a few suppliers but crazily nobody has this info! Have made a call to the UK but they were on lunch. I have studs 114cm apart and want to know if I'll be able to use them, or if there area enough fixing to secure it to plasterboard directly. I wanted to get a 54' beam.

The only info in instructions is:

https://www.capitalfireplaces.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/GEOCAST-BEAM-INSTRUCTIONS.pdf

Any help appreciated!

javiercarrillo

I have been quoted 3800 eur for a 5kw wood stove + installation. It seems a bit high to me, considering that the price of the stove is EUR ~600.

Is that normal? There’s no existing fireplace/chimney in the room, so maybe adding a vertical flue adds that much to the cost?

Thanks!

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119834585#Comment_119834585

Shop around it sounds like you went to an expensive supplier. A 4KW Insert should cost no more than 1k and at that you be getting top.of the range. After that with an existing chimney a couple of grand should cover it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119847155#Comment_119847155

I think stove suppliers have so many orders at present they are quoting prices that will frighten buyers off. If the accept the price it a job worth doing.

I think people need to shop around to find a handy man capable of fitting the stove. Its about a day's work. Hardest part with no chimney is the exit out through the roof but it's not rocket science

anewme

Just an update on mine. I visited a different supplier today.

Quoted €3,300 to do all works including disconnect gas, remove gas fire, cassette stove (Vitae 5K plus new Heat Design fireplace, granite hearth and backplate) and any chimney work (subject to sit survey) If I want the same in a free standing stove with brick chamber, its approx €5K. They have a waiting list till next year. They also told me that there is a problem with supplies (like everything at the moment) and that the stove suppliers have a backlog.

I know people are saying find a good handyman.....you won't find a good handyman in this economy, certainly not in Dublin or surrounding areas - they booked out.

Supplier is years in business, very reputable and happy to stand over their work.

Can I just say this is a very helpful thread for those who are not experts, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, it is much appreciate.

Simon201

Just got a stove installed into a newly made alcove, all is great and my installers have left it 'paint ready'. Can anyone recommend the paint I should use? Like could I use some kind of radiator paint?

Ta

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119856498#Comment_119856498

Any radiator pair will be have a gloss or satin effect. I cannot see why you cannot use ordinary paint

Simon201

Thanks Bass, I was wondering about the heat aspect I guess and how that might affect whatever paint I used...

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119857344#Comment_119857344

Best person to ask is in a paint shop.

slystallone

In relation to riddling grates , I need a new one as its cracked - and no idea what model of stove it is. Whats best option here? I was thinking of getting a replacement one thats as close to the same dimensions as one I had. At least it would cover the gap even if not actually rotating.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119856498#Comment_119856498

I have an alcove stove and I just use regular emulsion that is used in rest of room. The paint I used is Colortrend and its there about 5 years now with no issues.

ULMarc

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Sitamoia

My flue is cracked, what's the best substance to fill the crack with as a temporary fix until we can get the new part fitted? Vertical and horizontal cracks. Heres the pics

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120001172#Comment_120001172

There is a flexible high temp fire cement you can get it comes in a tube. Got it in a dairygold shop 18 months ago

Something like this

https://www.vitcas.com/prd/cty/high-temperature-sealants

Sitamoia

Thank you. I'll get that or similar.

Did you have the same issue with yours?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120001521#Comment_120001521

No it was a flue issue at back of stove I had to seal

Sitamoia

Cool. I'll try that cement and let ya know

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120002212#Comment_120002212

If you can get a bit of glasswool and pull a very small piece like a virtual few hairs. Use this with the silicified cement it should help to get it to stay in place. You need to read the directions I think it needs 24 hours to set and then a few small fires to get it to harden right.

That looks like a vitreous enamel finish. It looks like a bit of a botch job first day they have 2 what are normally outlets stacked on each other. You probably need to completely redo the flue setup

Sitamoia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120002512#Comment_120002512

Ya they fecked it up alright. The flue is at a slight angle too so it kinda separates at the top joint just before the elbow type part.

Will upload pics soon and show you what I mean

dirtysoldman

What fuel is being burnt in most solid fuel stoves with a back boiler,I'm not getting much heat out of my stove with the fuel I'm using and it's burning twice ad much as last year,I wish I could still buy petrocoke but the greens put a stop to that

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045158#Comment_120045158

Mostly dry wood. When weather got really cold we used a bit of smokeless ovoids. Wood is mostly well dried leylandii type at present.