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Car99

misc2013 wrote: »

We have started stove shopping. We've heard the speil about higher end Heta range v "cheaper" Henley etc. Neither of which seem cheap in my book but anyway. So, apparently Henley / cheaper tend to require regular replacement parts vs the higher end_ in this case 400/500in the dif. But, we are not planning to use it everyday as we have OFCH, prob more at the weekends unless particularly cold. It's more for the weekend where it might light all day then in the winter. So, I'm wondering, as a potentially light user, would a Henley be sufficient rather than if relying on it all winter? We only need a 5kW dry lit. No back boiler. Thanks.

5kw is it an insert stove you require or free standing?

Bass Reeves

misc2013 wrote: »

We have started stove shopping. We've heard the speil about higher end Heta range v "cheaper" Henley etc. Neither of which seem cheap in my book but anyway. So, apparently Henley / cheaper tend to require regular replacement parts vs the higher end_ in this case 400/500in the dif. But, we are not planning to use it everyday as we have OFCH, prob more at the weekends unless particularly cold. It's more for the weekend where it might light all day then in the winter. So, I'm wondering, as a potentially light user, would a Henley be sufficient rather than if relying on it all winter? We only need a 5kW dry lit. No back boiler. Thanks.

Never believe a salesman whether he is selling a car or an icecream. I seen 1-2 of these crowds stoves in places people seem happy enough with them cheap and cheerful. He around 8-10 years now. I think he keeps parts for them aswell

<MOD SNIP>. PLEASE DON'T BAD MOUTH SOMEONE AND THEN IDENTIFY THEM.

misc2013

Car99 wrote: »

5kw is it an insert stove you require or free standing?

Sorry! Insert into existing open fire. Room is 15ft X 12. So 5kW should be enough.

Bass Reeves

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Never believe a salesman whether he is selling a car or an icecream. I seen 1-2 of these crowds stoves in places people seem happy enough with them cheap and cheerful. He around 8-10 years now. I think he keeps parts for them aswell

<MOD SNIP>. PLEASE DON'T BAD MOUTH SOMEONE AND THEN IDENTIFY THEM.

I think you mis interpreted what I posted or else it was miss understood. My remark was a general remark about salespeople in general. It was in the context of a salesperson making a remark about another brand as cheap

The link I put in are to a stove supplier that is I quoted cheap and cheerful. The couple of people who I know that have them are happy enough. They are around 5 years+ and seem to give a good service and hold parts for the stoves as well. They seen to sell online mainly a d are retailing stoves at half the price of stove and fireplace shops.

Sorry if I was missunderstood

Wearb

Never believe a salesman whether he is selling a car or an icecream. I seen 1-2 of these crowds stoves in places people seem happy enough with them cheap and cheerful. He around 8-10 years now. I think he keeps parts for them aswell

When you start a reply like above and then post a link to a sales person/outlet, it's bound to be interpreted as referring to the link.

However I did see that it was possible that it might have a different interpretation. That is why I just snipped rather than sanction.

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olestoepoke

Hi guys can anyone recommend an experienced boiler stove installer in Dublin? Please PM me. Thanks

olestoepoke

Why is it so hard to find Boiler stove installers (Plumbers) in Ireland?

Bass Reeves

olestoepoke wrote: »

Why is it so hard to find Boiler stove installers (Plumbers) in Ireland?

Because it's a messy job unless done at house build stage. You will need need to change hot water tank. You may need to go through wall and floors with piping. You also need to install circulation pump and non return valves etc

olestoepoke

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Because it's a messy job unless done at house build stage. You will need need to change hot water tank. You may need to go through wall and floors with piping. You also need to install circulation pump and non return valves etc

Ok thanks for that, so if I am at the build stage are there companies/individuals who specialise in back boiler installations? I've read on Boards that a system link heat genie is a good option, is this true? Are there other options or better options when getting a back boiler stove installed? Thanks again

Bass Reeves

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ok thanks for that, so if I am at the build stage are there companies/individuals who specialise in back boiler installations? I've read on Boards that a system link heat genie is a good option, is this true? Are there other options or better options when getting a back boiler stove installed? Thanks again

If you are at build stage any decent plumber should be able to sort out the plumbing side, its similar to any other heating system. It needs a pair of pipes back to you hot water tank. You need a separate coil in tank for it similart to coil used for solar, oil or any other heating suppy system. It is connected to the radiators or heating system. You install a circulating pump that is wired to a thermostat attached to pipe near tank it switches on pump your heating temp is reached.

Some people install non return valves however you can also not install them. Motorized valves can go faulty so many used not do it in the past. Finally you need a pressure release valve however this should be installed in any heating system anyway

olestoepoke

I know a couple of really good experienced plumbers, they have never installed a system link heat genie or connected it to a boiler stove. Is this something a good plumber could tackle with the proper instructions or is it a specialised job where experience in needed?

Car99

olestoepoke wrote: »

I know a couple of really good experienced plumbers, they have never installed a system link heat genie or connected it to a boiler stove. Is this something a good plumber could tackle with the proper instructions or is it a specialised job where experience in needed?

Do you really want someone learning to install a boiler stove on your time , money and in your home?

Bass Reeves

Car99 wrote: »

Do you really want someone learning to install a boiler stove on your time , money and in your home?

No the plumbers know how to install the stove it the management system. It will be thing about new technology and tradespeople they have to learn somewhere. If you have a good plumbing diagram any good plumber should know how to do it.
When putting in insulated slabs 30 years ago I had to show plasters the method, I had to help carpenters to put in solar panels on a roof as it was the first time, we figured it out off a diagram.
I know nothing about a heat genie but if given the diagram and if you understand the principal and can explain it to a plumber he should be able to install it

Mickeroo

I'm pretty sure our plumber got an electrician to do the system link when the stove was going in.

olestoepoke

Car99 wrote: »

Do you really want someone learning to install a boiler stove on your time , money and in your home?

So you are saying no it is not something a good plumber can do with the right instructions?

Bass Reeves

olestoepoke wrote: »

So you are saying no it is not something a good plumber can do with the right instructions?

I think it's the word instructions that causes the issue. It sounds like you will be telling him how to do it. In fact you will be explaining to him how it is supposed to work providing him with diagrams.

If there is an electrical element most plumbers will hand that over to an electrician. Again when I did the solar panels I wired out the control unit myself as the plumber was wary of electrical work.

misc2013

Stove shopping and this falls into budget range at 1,000ish. We predict light usage so don't see the need to go high end but don't want too cheap either.
Any experience of this stove? An alternative on the similar price bracket is an ACR 550 5kw at 1200. Then it's 1500 and beyond.

olestoepoke

Hi guys anyone any experience with using a Heat Hero to install a boiler stove? The system was on the Irish Dragons Den.

https://heathero.ie

Also, regarding the installation of the Flexi flu liner, is this something I could tackle myself? I'm a carpenter so handy enough and used to working with heights.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732022#Comment_117732022

Installation of Flexi flue is fairly straightforward. You need the flue, make sure it's the right size and length. It can be awkward to I stall before stove as you have to fill around with vermiculite. You will need to seal bottom of pipe. However as you install stove the flue will move a d vermiculite will go all over the place.

If you know when stove installer is coming you can fit flue a day or two before. You will then need to have a bit of glass wool ( not rock wool) to seal bottom of chimney to prevent vermiculite going all over the place if you ever need to work on stove. Fill to the nearly the top of chimney around flue. I think they put a bit of mirror or fire cement to seal top before installing a cap on old chimney flue. This prevent crows from accessing chimney but also it prevents rain entering the Flexi.

olestoepoke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732071#Comment_117732071

Greta, thanks for the help. I wonder can the flue be fully installed before the plumber comes to install the stove, so a register plate fitted etc that would prevent the vermiculte from falling down. Or would the installer need the flexibility? Im aware that the flexible liner cannot connect directly to the stove, 600mm minimum away I believe, so a 600mm + stainless steel connector from the back of the stove to the register plate connected to the Flexi liner.

The One Doctor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116767706#Comment_116767706

I've gone to MCD in Naul for mine, good guys. Ask for Niall.

Supercell

I'd like to replace the woodstove in our living room with a gas one. Our house is a bungalow with a gas boiler for the heating and water but no other gas piping bar where that enters from the outside to the boiler mounted on wall.

The living room is across the other side of the bungalow from the gas boiler.

What's normally involved in getting the gas over to the other side of the house? - go around the outside , go under the floors or over through the attic or something else?

We are budgeting for around €1000 for the stove, are we likely looking at another €1000 to get the installation done?

jay0109

I'm stove shopping at present and one of the issues a Stove shop has asked about is around the external insulation on our house (external boards put in 2 years ago). There's currently no chimney in the living room so a hole will have to be punched in the external wall and a flue attached on the outside to the external insulation.

He wants me to be sure I have no issues with him making that hole through the insulation and attaching the flue to it up along the wall. Has anyone any experience with this and any issues they may advise on around it?

olestoepoke

Hi guys, we are in the process of installing a 20kw Stratford EB20 multiple boiler stove in our living room. All plasterboard is down and so exposed. So far we have had 3 plumbers come to our home to look at the job, Im told we have a closed system gas boiler in the kitchen, single coil cylinder in the hot press and only one large tank in the attic (as you can tell I know nothing about plumbing). Anyway, 3 plumbers and each one uses a different system.

1. Systemlink Heat Genie, single coil cylinder will work with this system
2. Smart innovations Heat Hero, single coil cylinder will work with this system
3. NRG Awareness, Single coil will not work so cylinder will need to be replaced with a dual coil.

No prices as of yet, but does anyone have any experience with these systems? Which one works best? If I can get the same result without replacing the cylinder why would I bother with the NRG? Thanks for any advice given.

nqtfarmer

Hi all, we’re having problems with a back boiler stove and at this stage we’re wondering should we just disconnect it altogether. 

I lit the fire for the first time on Sunday and we heard gurgling and loud bangs. The rads upstairs weren’t heating even after ensuring the thermostats were set. 

so then I played with the orange thermostat down by the stove and moved it from 40 to 25 degrees and there was a big flush of water. And the rads began to heat. 

but our cold water explanation tank in the attic began to fill with dirty water and even overflowed out the top pipes. 

can someone explain what it going on?

olestoepoke

Anyone know if regular tile adhesive, powdered flexible adhesive that you add water to is ok to use when installing a hearth the a stove will sit on? Also, for the thin (12mm) stone cladding on the walls around the stove, approx 200mm clearance on the sides and back. After a google search I came across Vitcas heat resistant tile adhesive, looks pricey, is it necessary? Thanks

vicwatson

Can anyone tell me how to visibly tell the difference between 904L and 316 liner?

Are there identifying marks on them?

allanpkr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/75892717#Comment_75892717

i have a olymberyl back boiler, it runs 5 large doubles, 5 small doubles, 1 towel rad , 2 alumn large rads. these are on end of long run, we put a scuttle of ecobrite and turf lite it at 5pm house warm by 6.30pm goes all nite till 11.pm on one load . if really freezing just add a bit of turf and set.had a horseflame 5kw for a 12 x14 ft room and was hard to load even with a glove great stove . but knocked wall down enlarged room so bought esse 200 that also gets one half load ecobrite plus turf for 6hrs of heat. but do remember to balance rads all our rads are HOT cause of balancing.

seligehgit

Seeking recommendations from the experts re the market leader/best quality pellet stoves for room heating in terms of efficiency rating ( insert variety )?

Reliability in terms of a lack of proneness to breakdown is a big consideration.

Waterford Stanley do not appear any.I've seen a variety of other models on line MCZ,Kalor,Ravelli,Ungaro and Palazzetti?

There are few stockists,others require importation?

I am seeking Ecodesign stoves with 2022 in mind.

Thank you

stevek93

Hi all,

I have an awful down draft coming into my stove, when the wind is bad outside it sounds like a hurricane inside my stove.

I am getting the flashing replaced on the chimney, while the roofer is up there should I ask him to install a rotating chimney cowl?

I am afraid in high winds this might create to much suction in the flue?