STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

littlevillage

Stove Update.

I bought a Mulberry Yates matt black 10Kw Boiler stove (2nd hand), put it in during the week... have had a fire in it and its a great looking stove. . I'm heating 4 x Rads off it, they have got lukewarm hot already and its giving out nice heat to the room. This is with it burning at about 50% capacity. I didn't have the proper dry wood etc. yet and I'm also deliberately holding off putting a serious fire in it for a few days till all the surrounding plasterwood is 100% dried out.

But very happy so far.

A few learnings though ...

1). With a 2nd hand stove, you can basically forget about changing the flue output from what the previous user has been doing (ie. switching it from top outlet to back outlet or back to top) because the screws completely perish (on the inside from the soot & heat) and can't be re-opened/closed again.

2). It can be pretty costly converting an old style existing open fireplace and putting in a free standing stove so make sure your budget is generous (mine is a 70yro cottage with big open fireplace)

Flexi-Flue, vermiculite, additional flue bits, blocks, plasterwork, paint, hearth, labour etc. prob cost about €1000

3). I see already, how a person could become a "Slave to Stove" (..apologies to Bryan Ferry) ... as they burn wood pretty fast and you need to keep feeding them every hour or so and probably spend your evenings/weekends preparing the wood for the week ahead.

Happy Burning, fellow Stove-Heads !!

irishgeo

ok i have measured my room.

whats the best stove to heat this room 4.5m X 3.5m

its needs to fit into the following space.

the opening measures 0.42m across, 0.56m high , 0.53m from back to the front of hearth , the hearth measures 0.3. i want it to fit in the fireplace without too much messing.

i wont be heating any radiators with this just the room.

keredern

Hi all!

Would love any recommendations for a good enamel non boiler stove to replace a standard open fire (not insert style).

We are looking for a 8-9kw version.

If anyone has purchased the Mulberry Yeats enamel non boiler at a good price I'd be really appreciate a heads up!! (Please PM me! )

Would this be a good model to go with?

(15 year old house & room is 15ft by 13ft with three doors off)



Many thanks for any advice.

byte

KoolKid wrote: »

And guys are looking for a dedicated Stoves forum?

Considering how popular stoves have become, I think that'd be a great idea.

elvis jones

Posted this in a thread by itself but i think this is the correct place for it.

We have an open fire with a back boiler but it won't heat all our rads ( 12 in total ). Half the house will be boiling and the other half frozen.

We're looking at an insert stove as we hope it will heat the whole house and save us money in the long run.

We have oil for the mornings but its open fire for the day then with an electric heater in one room in the evenings.

The house was redone in 2006 and the flu was redone in the chimney but i have no idea what they did.

We've looked at the Stanlley Cara Plus & Boru Chieftian.

Any advice or help.

PS i haven't a clue about this stuff

bookworms

Just wondering where in Waterford/Southeast would I get a 7 inch flue? Thanks in advance

Forever21

keredern wrote: »

Hi all!

Would love any recommendations for a good enamel non boiler stove to replace a standard open fire (not insert style).

We are looking for a 8-9kw version.

If anyone has purchased the Mulberry Yeats enamel non boiler at a good price I'd be really appreciate a heads up!! (Please PM me! )

Would this be a good model to go with?

(15 year old house & room is 15ft by 13ft with three doors off)



Many thanks for any advice.

Hi I have the stanley tara 8kw Matt stove. It's in a room 20 ft by 12ft with French doors & two other doors in the room. Massive heat from it & I normally have to leave the doors open after about an hour & a half. Saving loads on my gas bill .i normally burn ecobrite in it which lasts for hours.

Katie OS

SportyDaddy wrote: »

The Morgan model sounds great. Are those 10 single rads or is there some doubles? Do you find you need to turn on a rad in the room? Great to hear that you are using wood as thats all i want to burn in my stove... I hate coal... A dirty fuel! Whenever i actually get one that is! Still can't decide which one to go for Esse 350GS, Stratford 16 ebi or maybe even this Morgan model!

Four rads are double. Yes you need the rad on in the room, as least we do as we leave our living room door open all the time. Using kiln dried wood at the moment. To be honest my heart was set on the Stratford 16 as it is a terrific stove but it will not fit a 16 inch fire opening. i checked this out and if you ring stratford customer info they will tell you this. That left me to have to think again. The morgan was an inpulse buy as it is a new stove and there is no feed back on it as yet. so far, fingers crossed, its doing the job.

OfficerHalfwit

Posted the following 2 posts in probably the wrong thread so moving them to here. Any advice welcome.

Well folks,

Looking for a bit of advise from those in the know. We are starting to renovate and build onto a house in the new year and we really don't know what heating system or systems to use.

The house is currently 1,100 ft sq and we are building on around 1,200 ft sq so basically doubling in size. It's a detached house in the country. There is currently a solid fuel stove in the house and also an oil burner. Neither of these would be sufficient when it's extended.

We had decided on a wood pellet burner but the model we were looking at is €12,000 and we've just discovered that there is no grant for these anymore. Added to the expense of building a garage immediately to store it and the pellets we are beginning to feel that the outlay in money would take years and years make up, if ever.

The model we were looking at is tried and tested over the last six years by family and heats a 2,200 sq ft house for approx €900 - €1,000 per year and has never given them trouble so we have no concerns about the boiler itself, just the cost!

Their house is new build and is all underfloor heating though where as our's will be a combination of underfloor and rads and the existing house will have to be re-plumbed and retrofitted which is also a concern as I have heard that combining UFH and rads does not work as well as just one or the other.

Anyway I've rambled on a bit. All advice welcome.

Cheers.

Bumpity bump,

Just the once as I'm still looking for advice!!!

I should add that we have more or less decided on the new oil condensing boiler by Grant Engineering. It seems to have gotten good reviews and we can't really see much alternative but to combine oil and solid fuel.

So the question is what type of stove would anyone suggest going for? The house will be approx 2,300 sq ft and will be combining new build with existing dwelling. It will have 8 rads upstairs 5 rads downstairs as well as having underfloor heating in the new build kitchen 20ft x 14ft & conservatory 11ft x 9ft. Also underfloor heating in new build sitting room 19ft x 14ft.

We would like a multi-fuel stove that would have the capability of heating the entire house. Obviously the house will be zoned as well so will probably never have to heat the entire house at one time but would like a stove with the capabilities to do so on the rare occasions it might be needed.

Cheers.

SmithySeller

Hi, I got a quote to install a freestanding stove (the stove itself was priced separately). The installation is in a vaulted room, and the flue will be approx. 4.5m - 5m, straight off the top of the stove and through the vaulted ceiling and roof. The quote is €1400 and includes commissioning the stove, installation of flue, 2 single wall and 3 twin wall through the roof. Installation of lead flashing and fitting cowl to flue. The €1400 includes all parts (flue etc.) and labour, but does not include the stove or hearth (being optional).

Does €1400 sound fair, I'm told it'll be two people for a day. I haven't got a breakdown yet, but have asked to see it.

Thanks

eas

hey all -

what's the correct / recommended way to connect a reducer + stove pipe + stove in a recessed space?

As in, do you stick the reducer into the chimney, then shove the pipe into reducer and somehow manipulate the stove to get the pipe into the pipe collar....or what? It all seems a bit awkward.

does any of that make sense?

Bakugan

Hi Folks,
I am looking at installing an insert multi fuel stove in my front room. The model I am looking at is a Vitae 11 KW insert stove. I would appreciate any advice on this brand of stove. Does anyone have one, what do they think of it. Thanks in advance

wonga77

Anyone who can help me here, i'd be very grateful, looking to put in a boiler stove, House has a total of 110k btu's, obviously the house wont be all up at full blast at once. I will haver solar panels also and oil heating as backup. My kitchen is only 16x16 ft so i dont want a huge stove that will be uncomfortable in the room. Ive been looking at the stratford 20 HE, sizewise it seems about right for my kitchen but im not sure it has enough output for the house.
I guess my question is if a house has a total of 110,000 btu's then what is the lowest (within reason) size boiler I can install.
I spent a small fortune insulating the house correctly so surely that has to be factored in also?

Thanks in advance!

Abominable JoMan

Sorry not sure if it has already been asked and might sound stupid, but can a back boiler be added to an existing installed stove that doesn't have a back boiler?
Regretting not getting it in the first place

martinr5232

Abominable JoMan wrote: »

Sorry not sure if it has already been asked and might sound stupid, but can a back boiler be added to an existing installed stove that doesn't have a back boiler?
Regretting not getting it in the first place

I wouldnt know much about them but i would doubt it you would need a far bigger firebox for starters because most of the heat goes to heat the water.

So depending on how much water you need to heat you may need a stove with three or four times the output to still heat your room and your water

Why not put the one you have now up on adverts or done deal and buy one that is built for heating water.

arse..biscuits

Quick question...

I have a stove with a back boiler, can I disconnect the water and still use it???

(When I say "can I", I mean a plumber)

Brianne

elvis jones wrote: »

Posted this in a thread by itself but i think this is the correct place for it.

We have an open fire with a back boiler but it won't heat all our rads ( 12 in total ). Half the house will be boiling and the other half frozen.

We're looking at an insert stove as we hope it will heat the whole house and save us money in the long run.

We have oil for the mornings but its open fire for the day then with an electric heater in one room in the evenings.

The house was redone in 2006 and the flu was redone in the chimney but i have no idea what they did.

We've looked at the Stanlley Cara Plus & Boru Chieftian.

Any advice or help.

PS i haven't a clue about this stuff

Elvis are those single or double rads, large or various sizes. Also what size is the room stove will be in and is there a rad in that room. We have a Yola insert stove heating 5 single and 2 double rads. One of those double rads is in the room with stove and is needed there. Room 16 x 12 feet. We're pleased with our stove.

Citizenpain

Bakugan wrote: »

Hi Folks,
I am looking at installing an insert multi fuel stove in my front room. The model I am looking at is a Vitae 11 KW insert stove. I would appreciate any advice on this brand of stove. Does anyone have one, what do they think of it. Thanks in advance

I have the glass framed one -- have only lit 5 or 6 fires so far and only big ones recently -- love it

It's in a room 17 Sqm which has double doors always open to kitchen /dining 40 Sqm

MugMugs

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Quick question...

I have a stove with a back boiler, can I disconnect the water and still use it???

(When I say "can I", I mean a plumber)

Yup

Lorraine1974

Hi, we are in our new home about a month and have installed a Stanley Lismore stove which has a back boiler. The boilder is working great in that it is heating the rads and water. However we have this dark brown liquid leaking from one spot where the enemal pipe goes up into the chimney down onto the hearth. The pipe from the stove goes horizontal from the stove to the chimney no bends. It is quite smelly. Initally when we moved in we thought it was rain so we put on a chinmey pot cover put it is still happeneing. We are only buring wood at the moment, sticks that have been cut for a year and off cuts from the house build i.e. wood from the roof, skirtings etc. My mother and sister in law (2 other houses) are also burning the same wood in their stoves and they don't have this problem. The builders (they installed the stove) have no idea what it is and the place we bought the stanley from say they will come out and look but they never turn up. We have rang them 3 times already to come out. I have read posts to say this is the wood that we are burning but I don't believe it is, 2 other houses are burning the same wood and they don't have a problem. The meeting point of the pipe from the stove and the chimney is sealed with fire cement.
I have a picture but I'm not sure how or if you can post a picture on here.
Any suggestions/advice as to what this is would be appreciated.
Thanks

elvis jones

Brianne wrote: »

Elvis are those single or double rads, large or various sizes. Also what size is the room stove will be in and is there a rad in that room. We have a Yola insert stove heating 5 single and 2 double rads. One of those double rads is in the room with stove and is needed there. Room 16 x 12 feet. We're pleased with our stove.

The number of rads inclues doubles added ( as 2 rads ). There are a few towel rads in the bathrooms but the majority are 4 foot ones.

The room is about 5m by 4m i'd say off the top of my head, it also has a 4 foot double rad in the room that we try to leave off as much as possible.

Deiseboy01

Hi All

Hoping for some help and advice. We bought a 30 yr old bungalow last June which has two hearing systems, desiel and a parkray back boiler. Old Runtal rads throughout. Roughly 2000 sq foot. Problem is we are just bit getting enough heat from either system. We have a very large open plan kitchen/diner/living room and with the parkray firing it's never hit enough. Spent 2800 on deisel last year plus another few hundred on antracite and was still not cosy. Rads never piping hot. Thinking of getting an inset stove room heater for the living area where we spend most of our time. Jide or BEF. Any thoughts?

cocoman

Lorraine1974 wrote: »

Hi, we are in our new home about a month and have installed a Stanley Lismore stove which has a back boiler. The boilder is working great in that it is heating the rads and water. However we have this dark brown liquid leaking from one spot where the enemal pipe goes up into the chimney down onto the hearth. The pipe from the stove goes horizontal from the stove to the chimney no bends. It is quite smelly. Initally when we moved in we thought it was rain so we put on a chinmey pot cover put it is still happeneing. We are only buring wood at the moment, sticks that have been cut for a year and off cuts from the house build i.e. wood from the roof, skirtings etc. My mother and sister in law (2 other houses) are also burning the same wood in their stoves and they don't have this problem. The builders (they installed the stove) have no idea what it is and the place we bought the stanley from say they will come out and look but they never turn up. We have rang them 3 times already to come out. I have read posts to say this is the wood that we are burning but I don't believe it is, 2 other houses are burning the same wood and they don't have a problem. The meeting point of the pipe from the stove and the chimney is sealed with fire cement.
I have a picture but I'm not sure how or if you can post a picture on here.
Any suggestions/advice as to what this is would be appreciated.
Thanks

Seeing that it is a new house it may just take a few weeks for the chimney to warm up and adjust to the big increase in heat from the stove - hence why the other 2 houses have no problem with the same timber. I know it's not ideal but try and only burn small fires for the next fews days and maybe use some bricketts instead of the logs. Also make sure that any timber you burn from the build is untreated (ie. not pressure treated (slightly green in colour) and unpainted).

improv_12

Lorraine1974 wrote: »

Hi, we are in our new home about a month and have installed a Stanley Lismore stove which has a back boiler. The boilder is working great in that it is heating the rads and water. However we have this dark brown liquid leaking from one spot where the enemal pipe goes up into the chimney down onto the hearth. The pipe from the stove goes horizontal from the stove to the chimney no bends. It is quite smelly. Initally when we moved in we thought it was rain so we put on a chinmey pot cover put it is still happeneing. We are only buring wood at the moment, sticks that have been cut for a year and off cuts from the house build i.e. wood from the roof, skirtings etc. My mother and sister in law (2 other houses) are also burning the same wood in their stoves and they don't have this problem. The builders (they installed the stove) have no idea what it is and the place we bought the stanley from say they will come out and look but they never turn up. We have rang them 3 times already to come out. I have read posts to say this is the wood that we are burning but I don't believe it is, 2 other houses are burning the same wood and they don't have a problem. The meeting point of the pipe from the stove and the chimney is sealed with fire cement.
I have a picture but I'm not sure how or if you can post a picture on here.
Any suggestions/advice as to what this is would be appreciated.
Thanks

Hi Lorraine, I am unsure what the cause of the problem is but that sounds like pretty bad after service. I am trying to find the right stove to buy at the moment and am reading lots of stories about 'inferior chinese stoves', 'poor service' and 'incorrect installations'. good luck though

improv_12

I put up a post a while ago but still have not managed to find the 'right' stove. I need a small dry stove that is totally room sealed - it is going to be in a pretty air tight house with MVHR. There seem to be a good few stoves that have direct air:

http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/direct-air-supply-stoves.html

The above list insn't comprehensive and it is a UK site so may not totally reflect the market in Ireland. I am really getting mixed up over all this and would appreciate any advice or recommendations from people who have a totally sealed stove in a house well sealed house.

Lorraine1974

cocoman wrote: »

Seeing that it is a new house it may just take a few weeks for the chimney to warm up and adjust to the big increase in heat from the stove - hence why the other 2 houses have no problem with the same timber. I know it's not ideal but try and only burn small fires for the next fews days and maybe use some bricketts instead of the logs. Also make sure that any timber you burn from the build is untreated (ie. not pressure treated (slightly green in colour) and unpainted).

Thanks cocoman, we have started on the bricketts and a little coal only, no wood the last two nights and we will see how it goes over the next couple of days. The hubbie got up into the attic last night to see if he could see anything up there, he saw the same brown liquid sitting on top of the lead. We have a chimney sweep who is quite knowledgeable coming now to take a look at it tomorrow to see if he can figure out what it is

Lorraine1974

improv_12 wrote: »

Hi Lorraine, I am unsure what the cause of the problem is but that sounds like pretty bad after service. I am trying to find the right stove to buy at the moment and am reading lots of stories about 'inferior chinese stoves', 'poor service' and 'incorrect installations'. good luck though

Hi improv_12, yeah we are pretty annoyed at the fact the supplier would not come out to take a look. We are thinking it's because we didn't get him to fit the stove! We have the Stanley Lismore with a back boiler and it is doing it's job really well, heating rads and the water only for this leak we are very happy with it. The rads are hopping and the water is still warm the following evening after no heating being on in the house all day. We have rarely turned on the oil only if it was too late in the evening to light the fire. In a previous house we lived in there was a Boru (100% Irish) inset stove. That was a powerful stove. Very plan to look at but great stove. Good luck with your stove search

mnman

Hi, I am going to install a Stanley Cara plus inset stove. Can anyone recommend a plumber who would be interested in the job. We are in the Clonsilla/Clonee area. All plumbers who advertise locally are only interested in gas operated systems. Thanks..

brightkane

Hi guys

we are putting in a san remo inset stove. The shop is selling us a 45 degree angle adapter, straight piece and a reducer to direct the smoke up the chimney.

We are setting it into an open fire that we never had any issues with draw from . Any installation #I have seen online doesnt have the extra flue pipes,

can anyone tell me if they are necessary?

thanks

Darren

elvis jones

Here's a list of what we are hoping to heat with our insert stove bolier (currently looking at Hamco Morgan ).

We have more rads but these would be the ones we'd have on

1. Living room ( 5 foot double )
2. Hall way ( 3 foot single )
3. Bathroom ( small towel rad ? )
4. Playroom ( 3 foot single )
5. Kitchen ( 3 foot double )
6. Bedroom 1 ( 3 foot single )
7. Bedroom 2 ( 4 foot single )
8. Bedroom 3 ( 3 foot single )
9. On suite ( small towel rad )
10. Bedtoom 4 ( 4 four double )

The ones in bold are the older style rads and i find them much much better for heat. We did a major build in 2006 and kept the older rads for the older part of the building.

Would the Morgan be able for all that or are we taling pie in the sky. I could turn off the living room if needs be.

giveitholly

hi all,i've a boru 30 kilowatt stove installed and very happy with the results i'm getting from it.Just wondering what are the best settings to have it at to be fuel efficient.I'm burning well seasoned ash.These days when i've a good fire going i close the top vent and the thermostat is set at 8 which i never change,I only light it for a few hours in the evening and have plenty of heat for 9 rads and the kitchen(which the stove is in). Next week is supposed to be very cold so will prob be lighting the stove all day.Just wondering from people's experience what is the best settings to just have a fire smouldering away to keep the kitchen warm,not worried bout the rest of the house during the day because the rooms won't b used.Is it better to close the bottom vent or top one and what setting should the thermostat be at

Briany3

Thank you very much. Brian.

bigburdy

Hi,
Can anyone advise as to what the best arched insert stove is?
Thanks

Deiseboy01

Anyone got a Jide maxi 67/60? Would be interested to know what they cost and if any good?

k123456

Interested in an Ecofan or similar device to push the warm air forward into room

Are these worth buying ?

and wil it work well when stove is situated in a recess see picture


Thanks

paulmce

Hi,

I'm going to be installing an insert boiler stove and just wondering if anyone has any idea on what the Heat Design 18kw boiler insert is like (link below)?
http://heatdesign.ie/heat-design-18kw-insert-boiler

I know it is fairly new but company has been around for a while so any info is appreciated..

How would it compare to say the Henley Achill boiler stove or has anyone got any better recommendations for around the same price range as these (they are around 1200-1300 for the stove itself)

spencer86

Have a gas fire and looking to get a stove for a two bedroom house my back room is big enough so looking to see what people would recommend please? gas is great but costly and ya cant beat the fire
thanks

KetchupKid

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Quick question...

I have a stove with a back boiler, can I disconnect the water and still use it???

(When I say "can I", I mean a plumber)

Hey Arse,

The answer is Yes, but you may need to fit the stove with some new bricks.

MugMugs

spencer86 wrote: »

Have a gas fire and looking to get a stove for a two bedroom house my back room is big enough so looking to see what people would recommend please? gas is great but costly and ya cant beat the fire
thanks

Can your fireplace / flue take a fire?

Would you like inset or free standing?

micks_address

hi guys,

quick question re controlling the heat output from a cara insert -

shock horror ours gets quite hot

whats the best way to maintain a lower temp? we leave the air vent open on the front till the fire gets going, then close down to almost closed.. then reopen before refuelling and then leave it open till the material gets going again before closing down to almost closed again..

i'm guessing the trick is to not the fuel blaze to much and that way it doesnt heat the baffles as much the consequence is that it doesnt radiate as much heat?

My wife says we have to control it.. rather than taking off layers of clothes....

chopper6

My Q is prolly better off inthis thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057086610

spencer86

Shiny Christmas Mugs wrote: »

Can your fireplace / flue take a fire?

Would you like inset or free standing?

It can take a fire its a chimney there, I wouldn't mind what type of one I got to be honest just trying to see what people recommend?
thanks

MugMugs

spencer86 wrote: »

It can take a fire its a chimney there, I wouldn't mind what type of one I got to be honest just trying to see what people recommend?
thanks

Can you stick up a picture of your fireplace?

Reason I ask if your fireplace can take it is that Gas Fireplaces (wooden) are low in height, decorative etc and generally not within the required distance to combustibles needed for a stove (your fireplace could go on fire) or the granite surround may not be split or set in concrete leading to further problems. Same with the hearth if relevant.

Once we know what we're dealing with we can help you out.

okofen

k123456 wrote: »

Interested in an Ecofan or similar device to push the warm air forward into room

Are these worth buying ?

and wil it work well when stove is situated in a recess see picture


Thanks

Hi. I have a ecofan for the last 4 years and I can certainly recommend it, I have the larger one with 3 fans, my stove is in an alcove and it is great at pushing the heat out into the room.

feearghalbhoy

Hi
we recently moved into property with Stanley Erin stove it has boiler and heats water and rads. We have not had to put our oil on as this stove is great but when we checked the oil had gone down ???? in 6wks it has gone down 2 inches any idea ??? Thanks

Wearb

feearghalbhoy wrote: »

Hi
we recently moved into property with Stanley Erin stove it has boiler and heats water and rads. We have not had to put our oil on as this stove is great but when we checked the oil had gone down ???? in 6wks it has gone down 2 inches any idea ??? Thanks

If you haven't burned it, then you have a leak or poorly equipped thief.

feearghalbhoy

The light comes on but the switch is in off position ?

Thanks

theMAC

Hi all,

I am looking a fitting a Morso S50 this winter. I am getting some mad prices for the fit of the Stove and External Flue system. Can anyone recommend a fitter / installer in the North Dublin / Meath area I can contact for a price for supply and fit of the internal and External Flue system.

I'd say I am looking at about 1 Meter of internal flue to a double wall flue at 45 degrees through the wall. Once through the wall, it would be about 3 meters to the roof and them about 1 meter more.... With the prices I have been getting I have been thinking of fitting the stove myself, but it would be great to find someone that can do it at a reasonable cost.

It would be nice to get a few prices together. If you know anyone please feel free to let me know via PM.

Thanks all,

Kevin

fredgalway

HI Improv 12 My opinion would be that if you are using a very small stove there is no need to have it direct air supply. If you insist on direct air perhaps a Boru stove will suit .I think they will fit direct air supply to most of their stoves. I have a house with MHR ,I have a large Boru boiler stove with direct air in kitchen living room, and a small stove with room air only in sitting room, no problems

improv_12

hi fredgalway,

Thanks for your post. I am pretty sure we are going to get a direct air stove but its interesting to know that your small stove works OK drawing air from the room alongside MVHR. Is your house very well insulated/sealed? (I am guessing it is). I will check out Boru, cheers. (just emailed them).



EDIT:

Unfortunately Boru's smallest inset stove 'Croi Beag' doesn't hev direct air and the others are too big.