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cocoman

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Where can I get folded mild steel flues?

Try here


http://www.miflues.ie/domestic.asp

North West

Selecting a stove.
Hello Stove fan.
Great article on stoves. I am in the process of buying a Henley cast iron ( Achill ) inset stove 6.6kw. I have a room 15ft long 12ft wide 8ft ceiling. I made up the room heat at 2.6kw approx. Now this does not take into consideration 1 north facing wall 12ft x 8ft with an 8ft x 5ft window and a north west facing wall 15ft x 8ft ceiling. Would in your consideration this stove be able to give me proper room heat. Sorry forgot to mention room heater only.
The break down is stove, 6" flexible flue and fittings and insulated with vermaculite between flexible and 8" std flue already in chimney.
I have the regulation with all ref combustable materials, so I am ok there (fireplace etc)
Thank you
North West

Wearb

I have no connection with this company other than a family member has a 25kw one and is happy with it.
The one below seems to have an external air option. They have others with external air options also. Check out the site and give them a call to see if it suits your situation.

http://yolastoves.wordpress.com/yola-tapered-back/

fantazmic

Looking for advice. Getting a stoves in. Currently have open fire with no back boiler. Have gas to heat radiators at present. Need to decide to go with plumber who plans to use heat genie to connect the stove to heat radiators /water or the plumber who wants to use gravity system. House is large detached with about 13 radiators. Any one used the new heat genie system??

kennyb3

If you put a stove in a chimney, what is the noise and draught like on a windy night like last night?

Galego

kennyb3 wrote: »

If you put a stove in a chimney, what is the noise and draught like on a windy night like last night?

I also want to know!! Insert stove in my case.

Citizenpain

I've 2 insert stoves - no noise at all from the vitae. small bit from the henley achill but nothing compared to an open fire and i havnt had the henley lit on a windy night

The Fire does burn a bit quicker when it's windy as there is more of a draw. .. No noticeable draught

MugMugs

kennyb3 wrote: »

If you put a stove in a chimney, what is the noise and draught like on a windy night like last night?

Got an Esse 401 and it's little to none.

If your vents are throttled then you're going to hear the resistance but generally speaking it's far from intolerable.

kennyb3

Thanks, my chimney is driving me nuts - but a chimney baloon in it but it eventually got sucked up and out and gone by these crazy winds.

Want a stove anyway, so this was just another aspect of it - now want one more!

MugMugs

kennyb3 wrote: »

Thanks, my chimney is driving me nuts - but a chimney baloon in it but it eventually got sucked up and out and gone by these crazy winds.

Just make sure you get a sweep out to make sure it's actually cleared the flue before putting a stove in :eek:

Last thing you want are fumes pouring back into your sitting room and killing you.

DenisCork

I have two stoves back to back on the same breast, a Stanley oisin and an inset wood burner. I never have a problem with the Stanley because it can be closed down as needed in high winds. The wood burner on the other hand is noisy in high winds. The manufacturer (Meg) has sent a kit to reduce the air wash vent but I haven't had a chance to fit it yet.

irishgeo

DenisCork wrote: »

I have two stoves back to back on the same breast, a Stanley oisin and an inset wood burner. I never have a problem with the Stanley because it can be closed down as needed in high winds. The wood burner on the other hand is noisy in high winds. The manufacturer (Meg) has sent a kit to reduce the air wash vent but I haven't had a chance to fit it yet.

how do you find the Oisin, i am thinking of investing.

dwiseman

irishgeo wrote: »

how do you find the Oisin, i am thinking of investing.

The Oisin is a great stove. We have one in the sitting room amd one in the kitchen cum living room and never had a problem with either. Very easy to control the air to the stove and great heat output. The one in the kitchen has been lighting non stop for the last month and really cuts down on the amount of heating we use as its a very big room.

irishgeo

dwiseman wrote: »

The Oisin is a great stove. We have one in the sitting room amd one in the kitchen cum living room and never had a problem with either. Very easy to control the air to the stove and great heat output. The one in the kitchen has been lighting non stop for the last month and really cuts down on the amount of heating we use as its a very big room.

one more question, what do you burn in it?

wood and what type?
coal and what type?
peat what type?

dwiseman

irishgeo wrote: »

one more question, what do you burn in it?

wood and what type?
coal and what type?
peat what type?

We burn seasoned hard wood. Found a guy on done deal who delivers a builders bag (the one tonne bag that normal carries sand or stone) full of seasoned wood, cut to size for €70. On his next delivery he takes the empty bag from the first delivery away, pm me if you want his details, although he is based in cork so do not know if that will be of any use to you.

Once the fire gets going I lash on some coal on top and then turn the air control right down and the fire will burn for hours at around 300 degrees without needing topping up for ages. I do this at 8am and its still going when I come in at half 5, only just, but enough to easily get it going again. We use the premium stove coal, at least that's whats printed on the bags! Its smokeless so far better for your flue and much less coal dust to deal with.

We dont burn much turf but when we do its stuff I get from a friend in Clare who has a bog, Just ensure that its sufficiently dry.

irishgeo

dwiseman wrote: »

We burn seasoned hard wood. Found a guy on done deal who delivers a builders bag (the one tonne bag that normal carries sand or stone) full of seasoned wood, cut to size for €70. On his next delivery he takes the empty bag from the first delivery away, pm me if you want his details, although he is based in cork so do not know if that will be of any use to you.

Once the fire gets going I lash on some coal on top and then turn the air control right down and the fire will burn for hours at around 300 degrees without needing topping up for ages. I do this at 8am and its still going when I come in at half 5, only just, but enough to easily get it going again. We use the premium stove coal, at least that's whats printed on the bags! Its smokeless so far better for your flue and much less coal dust to deal with.

We dont burn much turf but when we do its stuff I get from a friend in Clare who has a bog, Just ensure that its sufficiently dry.

Thanks for the advice. In mayo so the Cork contact is not much use. I

Cathellen

Joey the lips wrote: »

If someone writes me a thread on the selection of stoves i will sticky it.

Make it with good detail and it will save questions.

I have a stanley lismore boiler stove installed and not finding it effective. I burn coal and wood but the stove has a mechanism whereby it shuts itself down when the water has reached the required temp.but it closes down before the rads are hot enough and it's not throwing out heat to the room. I was told by stanley to turn down thermostat on pump...this helped a bit but not really doing what I expected....8 rads, double room.

improv_12

If a stove requires a 150mm flue diameter does that refer to the internal diameter? Therfore would a twin walled flue have a greater external diameter to allow for the insulation? Or is the external diameter still 150mm and the intenal reduced?

I am asking because I have read that I need 50mm from the twin walled flue to any combustable surface (roof and ceiling).

Robbie.G

improv_12 wrote: »

If a stove requires a 150mm flue diameter does that refer to the internal diameter? Therfore would a twin walled flue have a greater external diameter to allow for the insulation? Or is the external diameter still 150mm and the intenal reduced?

I am asking because I have read that I need 50mm from the twin walled flue to any combustable surface (roof and ceiling).

150mm would be the internal
Diameter.150mm Twin wall flue has an external diameter of around 200-250mm
And an note of distance from combustibles is from the external side

improv_12

Roobie.G thanks for that

Midlandsman80

Hi all, we havr a large Free standind boiler stove, i hear a good bit of wind from The stove vents,should i put a cowl on it? Any recommendations for stopping down draft? How do you know if its taking heat from The room? Thanks

mightyreds

Cathellen wrote: »

I have a stanley lismore boiler stove installed and not finding it effective. I burn coal and wood but the stove has a mechanism whereby it shuts itself down when the water has reached the required temp.but it closes down before the rads are hot enough and it's not throwing out heat to the room. I was told by stanley to turn down thermostat on pump...this helped a bit but not really doing what I expected....8 rads, double room.

Have the same stove not having problems with the rads but it's Def not throwing out heat to the room, when I close the bottom door fire dies completely no matter what the air flows are set at anyone any advice on these stoves?

foley_b

I'm thinking of putting in a double sided stove between two rooms approx 13x16 each, might go for a boiler version if the plumbing is not too major. what make should I be looking at and are they as efficent as single sided stoves?

therealmccoy

foley_b wrote: »

I'm thinking of putting in a double sided stove between two rooms approx 13x16 each, might go for a boiler version if the plumbing is not too major. what make should I be looking at and are they as efficent as single sided stoves?

Are you looking at an inset double sided boiler or free standing? Also, what space have you to work with?

foley_b

Hi, what I'm doing is removing a stanley oil cooker and putting condenser boiler outside,where the cooker was has a 4in brick wall which I'll knock through leaving a space 4ft wide by 5ft high. I'll be putting a free standing stove here and maybe connecting to the heating via existing pipes, depending on what way new boiler will be connected to system.

Johnnystorm

Hi can any one help me I bought a 2nd stove and want to put it in as its a rented house I can't. Take out the fire place. I got a mate of mine to make me up a flue. That comes out from my stove. And up the chimney about 2 foot. I had to get a 4inch pipe mmade as the back of the fire (the cast iron part) from that to the lethal on the front of the wall. Is only 4inch wide. So I put it from the my stove up the existing chimney flue only to find that the existing flue is a bout. A six inch flue do I need to seal the to together or wat can I use as I can't use ciment. Any info be gratr

etcetc

Is it possible to put 2 boiler stoves into the one system and isolate which rads they serve?

Currently have a 12Kw stove with 8Kw going to rads and 4 to the room but it is unable to give hot water and serve the 5 radiators ( 1 double 1400, 2 singles 1290 and 1170 and 2 smalls 470) not counting the radiator in the room stove is in. So depending on which plumber I talk to

1. The pipe runs are not ideal. The pipes to radiators were originally put in concrete floor but some of them leaked so we ran new pipes down the walls this time. So now the pump has to pump the water to them up and down. This plumber suggests adding another pump

2. The boiler size of 8kw is not capable of running the 5 radiators efficiently. This plumber suggests isolating kitchen( double radiator) and bathroom and replacing with electric radiators or getting one of the new cooker stoves and plumbing it to do these 2 radiators and the hot water

Anybody?

Will installing a heat genie help?

rs2ksligo

Has anyone on here fitted a inis mor boiler mk2 stove im thinking of changing my stove and info or advice appricated

micks_address

Hi Guys,

Query re painting a Stanley Cara insert matt black Stove.

Ours has a few scuffs here and there and Stanley sent me out a can of 'senotherm' black paint to paint it with. Thinking of painting it in the summer season when not lighting to allow smells to dissipate etc but has anyone painted a matt stove before? Any special prep needed or brushes etc? Is it easy enough to achieve a good finish?

Cheers,
Mick

therealmccoy

rs2ksligo wrote: »

Has anyone on here fitted a inis mor boiler mk2 stove im thinking of changing my stove and info or advice appricated

We have fitted a few of these. Absolute beast of a stove. (In a good way!). It'll take 4 lads to lift it (and possibly struggle). Will heat up to 18 rads (based on 4ft single panel rads) and will give up to 12kw to the room.

You'd need a big room/open plan area for this stove tbh, the sheer size of it means it's not suitable for a standard 3-bed Semi-D. T'wud take up too much space and blast you out of the room with the heat.

From a quality point of view Inis are a fantastic brand of stoves. We have literally no issues with any of their stoves.

Scruff

About to get a Startford EB25 installed and connected to the existing closed pressurised gas central heating system by using a Systemlink 30kw HeatGeanie. It will do DWH and 1 of our 2 zones at a time (downstairs or upstairs zones controlled via a manual switch).
I'd like a timer switch but installers say for safety reasons it has to be a switch that will always have 1 of the two zones selected. Is there no such timer switch out there?
Went with the HeatGeanie as it has a safety feature where it is connected to the mains water so that in the event of a power cut the excess heat can be dumped down the drain. Header tank in attic and gravity circuit.
Anyone have any experience of a heat transfer set up like mine?

Wallacebiy

onesoma wrote: »

Maybe not such a big problem - I disconnected a back boiler a few months ago in my house, with not too much difficulty. I did get a plumber in to have a look, he told me what to do, and i did it myself.

You say you can't turn off the water in to the house, but is there a stop cock going in to the hot water cylinder? If so, you should be grand.

Sorry for the delay


Had a guy over and have a plan of action on this now


2 weeks ago , the dishwasher failed and I put a new one in and found the tap that I've been looking for for 9 years , underneath it ...



I've changed dishwashers 2 and never spotted it before ...

irishgeo

Is is possible to install a stove With a back boiler in a semi detached house with a shared chimney? I don't have a back boiler at present.

therealmccoy

irishgeo wrote: »

Is is possible to install a stove With a back boiler in a semi detached house with a shared chimney? I don't have a back boiler at present.

Is it a shared chimney breast? Do you know if you have a dedicated chimney flue for where you are looking to put the stove?

In theory, if you have a dedicated flue liner for the stove it is possible to do it, you'd need to get a plumber out to do a survey on plumbing works needed.

Galego

I just got an Insert Stove fitted with a new fireplace. I have been told not to light any fires for 5 days and even after that do not light to full output. How many days would I wait till I can light the insert to full output?

HeidiHeidi

Galego wrote: »

I just got an Insert Stove fitted with a new fireplace. I have been told not to light any fires for 5 days and even after that do not light to full output. How many days would I wait till I can light the insert to full output?

I don't mean to be smart, but would the installer not be the best person to ask about this? Or else the manufacturer of the stove?

I got a standalone stove fitted last year, and as far as I recall I had to light two or maybe three small fires in it and let it completely cool between each one - but I think those were as much to cure the paint on it as anything - but both the installer and the "manual" had specific instructions about what to do.

Galego

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I don't mean to be smart, but would the installer not be the best person to ask about this? Or else the manufacturer of the stove?

I got a standalone stove fitted last year, and as far as I recall I had to light two or maybe three small fires in it and let it completely cool between each one - but I think those were as much to cure the paint on it as anything - but both the installer and the "manual" had specific instructions about what to do.

I did ask the fitter but his answer did not match with the manufacturer instructions. Fitter said 5 days. Manufacturer instructions 24 hours.

I am referring to a Henley Achill.

Citizenpain

With the Achill I Just lit 3 small fires at first -- i wasnt living in the house though when it was installed so it was installed about a month before I lit anything.


There was a strong enough smell - so you might want to do it at a time when you can leave windows open for ventilation

12 element

Is it normal to have the 'rib' on the flue about 15mm above the entrance to the top of the stove? Twice now I've heard a pop and seen a puff of smoke coming out from around the flue. I've attached a picture to explain what I mean.

terryk81

12 element wrote: »

Is it normal to have the 'rib' on the flue about 15mm above the entrance to the top of the stove? Twice now I've heard a pop and seen a puff of smoke coming out from around the flue. I've attached a picture to explain what I mean.

looks to me as if the pipe is not fully pushed into the flange on the stove, also looks to be at a bit of a angle going into the flange there should never be smoke coming out at that point . the rib on the pipe is just the way its manufactured but in my opinion the rib should sit right down at the top of the flange

Brianne

Galego wrote: »

I just got an Insert Stove fitted with a new fireplace. I have been told not to light any fires for 5 days and even after that do not light to full output. How many days would I wait till I can light the insert to full output?

Yes we lit small fires for 5 nights and then after that it was grand. We left it 24 hours before first fire.

Galego

Citizenpain wrote: »

With the Achill I Just lit 3 small fires at first -- i wasnt living in the house though when it was installed so it was installed about a month before I lit anything.


There was a strong enough smell - so you might want to do it at a time when you can leave windows open for ventilation

Thanks.

Silly question now. How do you clean the inside of the stove? Can you clean the fire bricks (the burnt black color)?

Citizenpain

I just Clean the glass -- Wet Newspaper , dipped in the ashes in the stove and wipe the glass

I also find i get a better fire if i let some wood ash at the bottom of the stove

I leave a few logs in it to hide all the ugly bits

Jack180570

Galego wrote: »

Thanks.

Silly question now. How do you clean the inside of the stove? Can you clean the fire bricks (the burnt black color)?

I don't think you should need to clean the inside of an insert stove if it's a non boiler stove. We have a boru i500 non boiler stove burning only firewood and the firebricks are as clean as the day we bought it.
The burnt balck colour when it occurs is due to low firebox temperatures. This can be caused by damp firewood or poor operation of the stove - not enough air, or poor stove design.
Regarding using ash to clean the glass... this can only be done if you are burning ONLY FIREWOOD... coal ash will scratch the glass front of your stove.

Jack180570

Galego wrote: »

Thanks.

Silly question now. How do you clean the inside of the stove? Can you clean the fire bricks (the burnt black color)?

I don't think you should need to clean the inside of an insert stove if it's a non boiler stove. We have a boru i500 non boiler stove burning only firewood and the firebricks are as clean as the day we bought it.
The burnt balck colour when it occurs is due to low firebox temperatures. This can be caused by damp firewood or poor operation of the stove - not enough air, or poor stove design.
Regarding using ash to clean the glass... this can only be done if you are burning ONLY FIREWOOD... coal ash will scratch the glass front of your stove.

gofasterdad

I want to install a free standing stove in an extension at the back of the house.

Ideally, I would like the flue to come out the back of the stove, through the external wall, and then angle upwards (45 degrees) towards the main body of the house in order to get the required height.

One stove shop has told me that this should be no problem, but a second stove shop has said that it cannot be done, as the section of flue at 45 degrees can only be a maximum of 1 metre long.

I have attached a side elevation which should give an indication of what I am trying to do.

Has anybody done anything similar before, or can you offer some suggestions / guidance as I don't know where to go from here.

DenisCork

gofasterdad wrote: »

I want to install a free standing stove in an extension at the back of the house.

Ideally, I would like the flue to come out the back of the stove, through the external wall, and then angle upwards (45 degrees) towards the main body of the house in order to get the required height.

One stove shop has told me that this should be no problem, but a second stove shop has said that it cannot be done, as the section of flue at 45 degrees can only be a maximum of 1 metre long.

I have attached a side elevation which should give an indication of what I am trying to do.

Has anybody done anything similar before, or can you offer some suggestions / guidance as I don't know where to go from here.

Most flue manufacturers state a maximum of 20% of the overall flue height can offset from the vertical. Ideally the whole flue would be vertical.

gofasterdad

Thanks Denis,

I found the attached article which is in-line with your assessment. It looks like I will either have to move the stove closer to the house which is not ideal, or just give up on the stove idea altogether.

http://specflue.com/news/title/conservatory-flues

sooty_soupy

Low level flues in sunrooms and conservatories have been problematic for may years as the chimneys terminate in the positive pressure zone of homes, which in layman terms means blowdowns or down draughts are a real issue. Creating enough height in the flue is very difficult to prevent smoke from affecting other parts of the home, and also ventilation which is critical for stoves greater than 5KW can be a nuisance in rooms that are often very glass heavy, and can be hard to heat at the best of times.

Options to consider are stoves that the manufacturer is happy enough to run on lower height flues, if it is possible, ensure the stove can have its own independent air supply connected directly to the stove rather than needing to ventilate the room, and it would also be an idea if the flue is going to be low to elect for a clean burn stove that has been defra approved to burn wood in smoke controlled areas as they are less likely to produce excessive smoke. The Clearview range of stoves made in Shropshire tick all these boxes if it helps. As an alternative, something like a bio-ethanol fire or stove is a very good option as you don't need a flue for these and they are a real flame i the home. We have a product called Naked Flame fires and also modern alliances called John Taylor Bio Ethanol Stoves which are ideal for when a flue is going to be an issue.

Hope this helps.

gofasterdad wrote: »

I want to install a free standing stove in an extension at the back of the house.

Ideally, I would like the flue to come out the back of the stove, through the external wall, and then angle upwards (45 degrees) towards the main body of the house in order to get the required height.

One stove shop has told me that this should be no problem, but a second stove shop has said that it cannot be done, as the section of flue at 45 degrees can only be a maximum of 1 metre long.

I have attached a side elevation which should give an indication of what I am trying to do.

Has anybody done anything similar before, or can you offer some suggestions / guidance as I don't know where to go from here.

LadyLyons

Who can you complain to about a faulty stove and damage from installation of a stove when the person you bought from won't take your calls? Thank