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Blowheads

That be the sale price alright but out in craghwell. Will check Gordon's at the weekend

You know or buy one?

Blowheads

Blowheads wrote: »

That be the sale price alright but out in craghwell. Will check Gordon's at the weekend

You know or buy one?

Bought one. Fantastic insert stove. Very happy with it

Big Nelly

Hey, got a price....wondering if this is around right or a bit expensive?

5kw mat black stove, flue kit, fire blanket, installed
€1390 inc vat

The stove price is 690 euro....link here
http://kingfireplaces.ie/products/stoves/ruby_inset_stoves/in-category/inset_stove/

therealmccoy

Big Nelly wrote: »

Hey, got a price....wondering if this is around right or a bit expensive?

5kw mat black stove, flue kit, fire blanket, installed
€1390 inc vat

The stove price is 690 euro....link here
http://kingfireplaces.ie/products/stoves/ruby_inset_stoves/in-category/inset_stove/

What flue is included in this?

Big Nelly

therealmccoy wrote: »

What flue is included in this?

Just says

If the fire opening is standard and if there is a standard flue liner in the chimney that we can get a connection to seal the flue outlet of the stove into the following will be the approximate finished in stalled price.

So just standard fittings I would guess based on that part....if they cant connect then it will be additional

therealmccoy

In that case then you're being over charged.
Standard flu connection to clay liner for that stove is around €120. €15 for blanket. That means he is charging you over €500 to fit a stove? Extortionate!

Where are you based, might be able to recommend someone more reasonable.

Big Nelly wrote: »

Just says

If the fire opening is standard and if there is a standard flue liner in the chimney that we can get a connection to seal the flue outlet of the stove into the following will be the approximate finished in stalled price.

So just standard fittings I would guess based on that part....if they cant connect then it will be additional

Big Nelly

therealmccoy wrote: »

In that case then you're being over charged.
Standard flu connection to clay liner for that stove is around €120. €15 for blanket. That means he is charging you over €500 to fit a stove? Extortionate!

Where are you based, might be able to recommend someone more reasonable.

Dublin 15....

SoapFan27

Does anyone know a rough cost of supply and fit of a steel liner to a chimney in a 2 storey house?

trigger78

Hi from bray any one know good place to supply and fit around area or close bye or even a good installer

rachaelf750

trigger78 wrote: »

Hi from bray any one know good place to supply and fit around area or close bye or even a good installer

https://maps.google.ie/maps/ms?msid=202026052274911030347.0004d3de4737ab6b6ff29&msa=0&dg=feature

I think this could be a good place to start

nhickey

Hi we're purchasing a new build semi detatched house with gas central heating, down stairs rooms are an average size - both the kitchen & family room are 5mx6m each with a small enough sitting room (3.7mx4.5m) with the fireplace. We felt the room was small and for a purely aesthetic reason we fancied the cara insert.

But a few people have advised us to get a back boiler to heat a few of the rads too. Would an insert with back boiler be a waste of money? I feel heat out put to the room would lessen & I'm not convinced it'll heat enough rads with suitable heat to be worth the extra money. Has anyone had a similar experience?

I feel maybe investing in solar panels for hot water would be a better investment but my ppartner thinks that before we put down floors we should just throw in a back boiler anyway.

Thanks for any advise it'd be much appreciated.

Bandygirl

Hi all, I'm so relieved to find this thread. We have reached the point in our refurb that were looking at stove boilers to fit so the plumber can finish the pipe work.

Our bungalow is 1500 square feet and has a total of 13 individual rads. 7 brand new Quinn twin metal ones in the four bed rooms. all about 11feet sq an access hall 4 ft by 23, utility room 12 x 12 and a hidden one in the living room 15 ft sq and 11 ft high. there are 6 old cast iron rads. These are in the living room kitchen bathroom and entrance hall and second toilet. All new and old rads have thermostatic control valves. The house is split level ( dropping two feet on one side from gable to gable. The living room is eleven feet high and 15 x 15 and this is where we want to put our stove boiler. The copper tank is ten feet from the stoves position. Our plan is to run the flue all the way to and through the ceiling into the attic, then two 45s and into the existing chimney packed with vermiculite and using twin walled flue from just under the ceiling all the way into the chimney. The cast iron rads in total are needing about 25,000BTU and our plumber is saying a 25 30kw stove boiler is needed. We looked at everything from the boru carraig mor 25/30kw to the herald hunter inis Stanley chanwood anvil stradford and loads others. Just wondering if anyone can advise on a good one which is better etc? We're leaning towards the boru due to price but don't want to save today to pay again later. Also is anyone able to tell us is this the correct need of kw were bein told at 25- 30kw. The house was built in 84-86 has aero board insulation 50-60 mm thick. New weather master windows are going in next month and the roof is being redone and freshly insulated.

Our heads are wrecked from being told something different in every store so need some clarity.
Thanks in advance

Bandygirl

We have no loyalty to either cast iron or welded plate, or a combo of both. Can't say I like the look of the boru but at the price can't not consider it. The hunter chanwood are the look we favour

bigdawg

Bandygirl wrote: »

Hi all, I'm so relieved to find this thread. We have reached the point in our refurb that were looking at stove boilers to fit so the plumber can finish the pipe work.

Our bungalow is 1500 square feet and has a total of 13 individual rads. 7 brand new Quinn twin metal ones in the four bed rooms. all about 11feet sq an access hall 4 ft by 23, utility room 12 x 12 and a hidden one in the living room 15 ft sq and 11 ft high. there are 6 old cast iron rads. These are in the living room kitchen bathroom and entrance hall and second toilet. All new and old rads have thermostatic control valves. The house is split level ( dropping two feet on one side from gable to gable. The living room is eleven feet high and 15 x 15 and this is where we want to put our stove boiler. The copper tank is ten feet from the stoves position. Our plan is to run the flue all the way to and through the ceiling into the attic, then two 45s and into the existing chimney packed with vermiculite and using twin walled flue from just under the ceiling all the way into the chimney. The cast iron rads in total are needing about 25,000BTU and our plumber is saying a 25 30kw stove boiler is needed. We looked at everything from the boru carraig mor 25/30kw to the herald hunter inis Stanley chanwood anvil stradford and loads others. Just wondering if anyone can advise on a good one which is better etc? We're leaning towards the boru due to price but don't want to save today to pay again later. Also is anyone able to tell us is this the correct need of kw were bein told at 25- 30kw. The house was built in 84-86 has aero board insulation 50-60 mm thick. New weather master windows are going in next month and the roof is being redone and freshly insulated.

Our heads are wrecked from being told something different in every store so need some clarity.
Thanks in advance

I'll just give you my two bob worth speaking from personal experience as someone who moved into a house 18 months ago and re-did the entire heating system fitting two stoves (one wet, one dry) in the process. Our house is about 2200sq ft dormer.

Some general comments:
- You're about to put in a new system but you're leaving the tank as copper. Id go the whole 9 yards and make it stainless. I had copper. Went stainless. The difference is VERY noticeable.
- I think you could look at 20-25kwh in total in the RIGHT stove. 30 seems a bit strong unless im missing something.
- Of the stoves you mention, I would shorted your list to the Stratford EB20, the Inish Meain and Charnwood (not sure what there equivalent model us but i think its Island or Country are the two). I wouldnt save on the stove. Not all stoves are equal, far from it. I wouldn't have confidence in the Boru for what you want. Wouldnt fancy the Hunter either.
- Are the walls cavity filled? and will you have extra insulation in the attic when its done. There's no point producing Xkw when Ykw is flying out the external walls and roof of your house.
- Can you even introduce limited zoning? Bedrooms and Living area for instance. It would take some pressure of the stove and give you room to manouevre.

I'll leave the more experience guys on this thread to comment on how you plan to run the flu. These things do have an effect on stove performance so id be tending to keep it simple and always have a plan B (or easy way to change) if you have to. And thats from someone that had to make many changes (big and small) after doing it all once.

Bandygirl

bigdawg wrote: »

I'll just give you my two bob worth speaking from personal experience as someone who moved into a house 18 months ago and re-did the entire heating system fitting two stoves (one wet, one dry) in the process. Our house is about 2200sq ft dormer.

Some general comments:
- You're about to put in a new system but you're leaving the tank as copper. Id go the whole 9 yards and make it stainless. I had copper. Went stainless. The difference is VERY noticeable.
- I think you could look at 20-25kwh in total in the RIGHT stove. 30 seems a bit strong unless im missing something.
- Of the stoves you mention, I would shorted your list to the Stratford EB20, the Inish Meain and Charnwood (not sure what there equivalent model us but i think its Island or Country are the two). I wouldnt save on the stove. Not all stoves are equal, far from it. I wouldn't have confidence in the Boru for what you want. Wouldnt fancy the Hunter either.
- Are the walls cavity filled? and will you have extra insulation in the attic when its done. There's no point producing Xkw when Ykw is flying out the external walls and roof of your house.
- Can you even introduce limited zoning? Bedrooms and Living area for instance. It would take some pressure of the stove and give you room to manouevre.

I'll leave the more experience guys on this thread to comment on how you plan to run the flu. These things do have an effect on stove performance so id be tending to keep it simple and always have a plan B (or easy way to change) if you have to. And thats from someone that had to make many changes (big and small) after doing it all once.

Wow bigdawg thanks for the fantastic reply. Yeah we hav a two zone system going in. We didn't go for the stainless due to the cost but have the new plumbing system ready and set to take a bigger tank in the future if and when needed and the funds become available.
As for the questions ya asked.
The walls are cavity with older aero board insulation in them about 50mm thick. But we plan to pump it as there are questionable patches. The attic has 100mm of rock wool but were gonna go more and in the future the plan is to spray the internal roof also ( again as funds are available so not this year) yeah a lot of people are saying the stradford is class but it does look like the boru and having made a gas cylinder stove during the summer for bbqs i cant say either looks any better than what i made We loved the look of the inish stove and the chanwood was our aim but any provider with it said it doesn't come in a big enough size for our needs. Thanks again for the help

rumar

Looking for an 8KW stove for a new build. Will not be used to heat radiators. Any recommendations? And best places in North County Dublin to get one? Also will be looking for someone to install it so all recommendations welcome? Got quoted €2400 for a 8KW Boru stove inc installation. Seemed very high to me

Big Nelly

http://ryanstoves.ie/product/dimplex-westcott-inset/

Seen this, anyone have any experience of it? got Ryan Stoves link from thread on bargains forum....seems a few people have used them before???

trigger78

Anyone know anything about mazona tuscan insert stoves. Any good. value for money was quoted 650 for a 5k

padre78

Anybody any experience with Dru stoves? are they any good?

Wearb

Brightfire Stoves http://www.toolandgarden.ie/collections/stoves

I know the people who make them, but have no interest in the company. I just put this link up here to give people more options.
I really hate it when (like this site) it says "call for price". Why not display the price on the website?

SoapFan27

Hi, putting insert stove in and am taking out existing old fashioned fireplace. Would also like to replace hearth also as I've seen an image in a magazine of a tiled hearth that runs flush with the wooden floor. (page 11 middle photo on the attached http://www.aradastoves.com/pdf/brochures/arada-brochure-2014.pdf )

Is it possible to do this with a wood burner? I read that limestone is a bit soft and might crack. Would like cream/gray/greenish look like the image referenced above.

Any feedback appreciated thanks!

Blowheads

padre78 wrote: »

Anybody any experience with Dru stoves? are they any good?

We had a DRU 64 stove, very, very good. Be careful where you are putting it, that the room is of the correct size. It could "melt" you

therealmccoy

rumar wrote: »

Looking for an 8KW stove for a new build. Will not be used to heat radiators. Any recommendations? And best places in North County Dublin to get one? Also will be looking for someone to install it so all recommendations welcome? Got quoted €2400 for a 8KW Boru stove inc installation. Seemed very high to me

Get on to the lads in Fordes Furniture Superstore, I know they do a lot of work in North Co. Dub. And unless you're getting a complimentary reach around, that price is very high.

therealmccoy

Big Nelly wrote: »

http://ryanstoves.ie/product/dimplex-westcott-inset/

Seen this, anyone have any experience of it? got Ryan Stoves link from thread on bargains forum....seems a few people have used them before???

Only O..K.. if you have a tiny room. 10ftx10ft. It has a very small firebox in it. You'd be more advisable going for a Henley Apollo 5 for an extra €100. Different class of a Stove altogether.

therealmccoy

trigger78 wrote: »

Anyone know anything about mazona tuscan insert stoves. Any good. value for money was quoted 650 for a 5k

Grand stove, not overly impressed with the design of the air vents at the top. Very 'Transformer-ish' You'd get the Henley Apollo 5 for the same price and to me it is a more aesthetically pleasing stove. (Both do exactly the same job,however.)

Big Nelly

therealmccoy wrote: »

Only O..K.. if you have a tiny room. 10ftx10ft. It has a very small firebox in it. You'd be more advisable going for a Henley Apollo 5 for an extra €100. Different class of a Stove altogether.

I was interested in it as you dont have to change the flue or anything, it can just slot in.

The Henley looks to be circa €650 and the Westcott is €350 after €75 cashback with Goodwins which seems good value to me. But again I don't know stoves.

Markcheese

SoapFan27 wrote: »

Hi, putting insert stove in and am taking out existing old fashioned fireplace. Would also like to replace hearth also as I've seen an image in a magazine of a tiled hearth that runs flush with the wooden floor. (page 11 middle photo on the attached http://www.aradastoves.com/pdf/brochures/arada-brochure-2014.pdf )

Is it possible to do this with a wood burner? I read that limestone is a bit soft and might crack. Would like cream/gray/greenish look like the image referenced above.

Any feedback appreciated thanks!

I put a slate hearth in recently , and got it more or less level with the wooden floor ( very small sitting room with a huge fireplace so I didn't want to be tripping over it ) . A lot depends on how thick your wooden floor is and what's under it - ?

therealmccoy

Big Nelly wrote: »

I was interested in it as you dont have to change the flue or anything, it can just slot in.

The Henley looks to be circa €650 and the Westcott is €350 after €75 cashback with Goodwins which seems good value to me. But again I don't know stoves.

It's actually a good price for the Westcott to be fair, it's usually €495. (ish)

Still, taking the money out of it, the Henley is a MUCH better stove.

I'm not a big fan of flue-less stoves such as the Dimplex. I feel much safer advocating a fully sealed flue system.

Big Nelly

therealmccoy wrote: »

It's actually a good price for the Westcott to be fair, it's usually €495. (ish)

Still, taking the money out of it, the Henley is a MUCH better stove.

I'm not a big fan of flue-less stoves such as the Dimplex. I feel much safer advocating a fully sealed flue system.

From what I can see the Henley looks to be a lot better solution. The money is the issue....really the fire place at the moment is just a huge drain on heat in the house, it was cheap and the back part of it has no damper or nothing so it is just a way for heat to escape. Even if I light the fire the heat goes straight up it.

Really if I could get a decent solution which will provide heat into the room then I would be happy...

You mention the firebox is small, would it take standard logs? or too small?

therealmccoy

One, maybe two logs at best.

How big is the room you're putting the stove into?

Big Nelly wrote: »

From what I can see the Henley looks to be a lot better solution. The money is the issue....really the fire place at the moment is just a huge drain on heat in the house, it was cheap and the back part of it has no damper or nothing so it is just a way for heat to escape. Even if I light the fire the heat goes straight up it.

Really if I could get a decent solution which will provide heat into the room then I would be happy...

You mention the firebox is small, would it take standard logs? or too small?

Big Nelly

therealmccoy wrote: »

One, maybe two logs at best.

How big is the room you're putting the stove into?

Really I need to measure it, it is a small room...maybe 2-3m wide and 3-4m long. I was hoping there would be enough heat to leave door open and warm hall but if just the room that would be ok

Jimmy Garlic

What's the story with Yola stoves? are they any good?

Wearb

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

What's the story with Yola stoves? are they any good?

A few of them around here and people very happy with them.
I think they have been renamed Brightfire Stoves now, or Brightfire stoves are being manufactured alongside Yola, but not exactly sure of the arrangement.

Sanchez83

Yola stoves went into receivership.Another Irish stove company stung them for a big debt.
They have been bought out(by the employees I think but could be wrong).
Decent stove but the brand will not last.Too much competition in Ireland.
They have gone bust once,wouldn't be confident of them being around in years to come.

Big Nelly

Checked the room, it is 11ft x 16ft

Based on some online calculators and it seems to suggest 3-4Kw stove and that is based on no insulation. The room was done up with insulated slabs a few years back..I used Right price tiles as well and it says 2.8kw

I did take some measurement of the fireplace and some pics...(attached)

The outer width is 440mm between the metal opening
The opening is 370mm wide
The height of opening is 550mm to 570mm
the depth is 185mm to the fireback

there is a massive amount of space behind the fireback.....

So kinda looking for idea's :P

Sanchez83

therealmccoy wrote: »

It's actually a good price for the Westcott to be fair, it's usually €495. (ish)

Still, taking the money out of it, the Henley is a MUCH better stove.

I'm not a big fan of flue-less stoves such as the Dimplex. I feel much safer advocating a fully sealed flue system.

I would also be sceptical of flue less insert stoves.
From a health and safety point of view I wouldn't sleep well at night.

Big Nelly

Sanchez83 wrote: »

I would also be sceptical of flue less insert stoves.
From a health and safety point of view I wouldn't sleep well at night.

Cant see it been an issue if sealed properly!!

Also would put in carbon detector....

johneym

Hello Folks,

Am thinking of buying this heater but cannot find any reviews anywhere. Or indeed any one who has bought one. I have found out its a Chinese stove. The specs look very suspect.

http://www.donedeal.ie/heating-for-s...50779?offset=1

Anyone got one of these?

Many thanks,

John

Bandygirl

So were going with the stradford stove boiler but my next question is can we do the following and what's the right way? We intend on having the flue go up to ceiling height totalling eleven feet then once through the ceiling and into our attic we would like to turn through the chimney wall and into the chimney itself. Is this doable and if so what's the right way? Thanks in advance for any help. Our house is a bungalow with a low pitch roof of just under six foot at its highest and this is where our chimney is

bootser

big Nelly, looking at your pic I think u will also need an adaptor plate to fit under your large arch and make a square opening to take an inset.I perse your getting an inset?

Big Nelly

bootser wrote: »

big Nelly, looking at your pic I think u will also need an adaptor plate to fit under your large arch and make a square opening to take an inset.I perse your getting an inset?

Yeah I am hoping to go with insert, I was only thinking about this after post last night, will an insert work with current fireplace because it has the arch at the top coming outwards?

No Diggity

Hi all,
Just about to pull the trigger on a Bilberry 8kw stove...Any reasons why i shouldn't?

Blowheads

Big Nelly wrote: »

Yeah I am hoping to go with insert, I was only thinking about this after post last night, will an insert work with current fireplace because it has the arch at the top coming outwards?

depending on the stove i guess and also how you want the finish to look like.
We are getting one, have a similar back plate as you but will take it out to replace it with a granite plate which is pre cut. costs €100 and would be worth it visually..

Big Nelly

Blowheads wrote: »

depending on the stove i guess and also how you want the finish to look like.
We are getting one, have a similar back plate as you but will take it out to replace it with a granite plate which is pre cut. costs €100 and would be worth it visually..

Have a guy coming to look at it anyway http://www.fireplaceman.ie/
Just seen his van on M50 a few times :-)

Found this place, looks decent prices http://homeandgardendirect.ie/product-category/stoves/insert-stoves/

Blowheads

Big Nelly wrote: »

Have a guy coming to look at it anyway http://www.fireplaceman.ie/
Just seen his van on M50 a few times :-)

Found this place, looks decent prices http://homeandgardendirect.ie/product-category/stoves/insert-stoves/

to my knowledge
fitting an insert should run to about €250
Stove €XXX
Connecting direct to chimney then the Flue/blanket and fire cement €100
or if you need a flexiflue €220 plus more fitting costs
Granite surround €100

Check inis boffin insert stove, €850

SoapFan27

Blowheads wrote: »

to my knowledge
fitting an insert should run to about €250
Stove €XXX
Connecting direct to chimney then the Flue/blanket and fire cement €100
or if you need a flexiflue €220 plus more fitting costs
Granite surround €100

Check inis boffin insert stove, €850

Do you know who might do hearths cut to size in Dublin area?

Blowheads

sorry not from that neck of the woods, most fireplace centers would have them as a standard size(s), next would be to look at granite worktop places as they might be willing to cut a slab of granite to size.
We got the fireplace and hearth all in the one shop

Big Nelly

Hey guys

Got a quote and more inline with what I am looking for, he is quoting the Vitae Cassette Stove. Says it is better than insert stove. Better heat.....

Just wondering has anyone a Vitae? are they a good job? I have never heard of them

Thanks
http://www.bpmsupplies.ie/vitaestove6kw.html

cravings

hi all

i need a register plate / connection plate custom made in dublin. can anyone recommend somewhere who could build something unique?

thanks.

Big Nelly

Hi Guys

What is the difference between Cassette and the stoves?

http://homeandgardendirect.ie/product-category/stoves/cassette-fires/

http://homeandgardendirect.ie/product-category/stoves/insert-stoves/