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quazzy

ondarack wrote: »

Hello I hope someone can advise me, I'm just after getting a quote to fit a lentil,open up a fireplace,centre it and fit stove and liner, it is itemised below. To be honest I got a shock with the price if it, is it me or does it seem a bit much?


Modern Dublin Fireplace €1450
Stovax Stockton 5 €790
Chamber Granite €250
Fitting €550
High Grade Chimney Pack & Pipe €740
Stone Cladding €150
1 Vent 2 Alarms €160
Remove existing chimney structure
dugout for stove and reinstall structural
lentils including material €1200

Total €5290

I got something similar in my home.
I had an existing open fireplace with wooden surround.
Removed everything, raised lindel to fit a freestanding stove.
I got a new wooden mantel and stone cladding.
Don't think I paid that much but it was a big job - 2 lads working for about 10 or 12 hours a day for 3 days. If you're interested in the breakdown, PM me and I can look up my emails etc... for detailed pricing.

ondarack

Thanks for the replies. I understand that there was a nice bit of labour involved but after speaking with the supplier were after negotiating a price of 4800 so I think i'm happy enough to go ahead at that. Unfortunately the old fireplace was really outdated and was severely off centre due to another fireplace behind the wall. There are pictures below of both fireplaces, i'll be blocking up the one in the kitchen.

gerfmurphy

I am Considering upgrading my esse 350 insert. It never really fulfilled the supposed 8kw output.

My wife is keen on the stovax riva 66 or 76
Its very expensive,is their an alternative in the same design cheaper?
The room is pretty modern so older fashioned design would look a bit out.
I have a fitter calling tonight to see about whats needed output wise but an online calculator tells me about 11kw plus is needed.
Would anyone have a suggestion of something nice, modern with a large glass that may suit?

BeepBeep67

gerfmurphy wrote: »

I am Considering upgrading my esse 350 insert. It never really fulfilled the supposed 8kw output.

My wife is keen on the stovax riva 66 or 76
Its very expensive,is their an alternative in the same design cheaper?
The room is pretty modern so older fashioned design would look a bit out.
I have a fitter calling tonight to see about whats needed output wise but an online calculator tells me about 11kw plus is needed.
Would anyone have a suggestion of something nice, modern with a large glass that may suit?

What's your budget?
This was a bit on the pricey side, but we have a large open plan room at the back of the house (about 90 m2).
It's only a wood burner, but with good quality kiln dried wood, we have to open the sitting room and hall door to let the heat circulate.



It's a Thorma Andorra

Edit: Just re read and it's an inset - oppsie

gerfmurphy

Just to clarify I hope to have a free standing stove.
The thorma looks lovely
But the fireplace is on a step that runs across the room about 18inch high so a standing stove would be too high
Room is approx 50m2 with a vaulted ceiling loads of windows one door to the outside and double doors to the kitchen. 3 exterior walls

Also if anyone can pm me a good trustworthy fitters number around navan kells area that would be great

DOBK

Hi all,
I just had a Henley Achill 21Kw inert boiler stove installed. Its in a few days and we are disappointed with the heat out of it, we find we have to run it with the damper open to get enough heat but then it flies through the fuel (hardwood logs). Anyone have one or know anything about them?
Thanks for any info

sdm

I have an Aarrow Becton 11kw in the kitchen but it only heats the kitchen, we have oil as well. But when I opened up the attic what did I do. Well I looked at a stove in the end room with stairs leading to attic 1'000sq ft. I looked at the cost of a decent stove bones of 2k and then the cost of all the piping and knocking the wall through €€€€'s. So I saw an ad for 6.5kw Kerosene heater new and delivered for 180€. It certainly does the business and the heat is as much as you would need then turn it off. Kerosene delivered overnight from Newbridge.

So all I am saying is that choose carefully what you need your heater for and what your budget is. People in Asia and parts of Spain, Portugal and Italy use these heaters all the time and do not use central heating at all. So I have a perfectly warm studio space for 180€ + 30€for the delivered oil (not household heating oil).

mrtom

Does anyone out there have the Fireline FX5W stove ?


http://www.fireplacesuperstore.com/p/8953587/fireline-fx5w-fp5w-multi-fuel-stove.html

Joe1919

DOBK wrote: »

Hi all,
I just had a Henley Achill 21Kw inert boiler stove installed. Its in a few days and we are disappointed with the heat out of it, we find we have to run it with the damper open to get enough heat but then it flies through the fuel (hardwood logs). Anyone have one or know anything about them?
Thanks for any info

I dont have experience of that particular stove. However, I can see a problem. Your 21kw maximum stove give 15.9 kw to water and 5.1 kw to room if ran flat out at maximum. However, very few people run there stove at max and typically stoves give an average of about half there maximum with a moderate amount of stoking/burning. (A 20kw stove ran at max would burn a bale of briquetts every 2 hours).
So, typically your stove if used moderately is only outputting about 2.5 kw to room, which is not enough.

The solution......I have seen someone in desperation putting red bricks in grate at back of stove to encourage more heat to room and less to water and to save fuel. I have also seen person fitting bigger radiator in room with stove as stove heat output alone was not sufficient and this worked ok for them.

DOBK

Hi Joe, Thanks for reply.
I think I've made a major mistake going for this stove, as you say there is not enough Kw going to the room, there are two rads in the same room but they don't get very hot either unless we open up the damper and lash in the fuel. TBH I don't know where all the heat is going...

Joe1919

DOBK wrote: »

.... TBH I don't know where all the heat is going...

It may be that you are not generating as much heat as you think. Remember that the stove output is proportional to its input. So, for example, burning hardwood, to get 21kw output, you would need to burn approx 7kg of hardwood per hour. (4.16 calorific value X 70% efficiency X 7kg).

It would be interesting if you could estimate or weigh the amount of fuel that you are putting in the stove and the times and we could estimate the actual output of the stove.

PS Coal has a much higher calorific value and would deliver the same output (21 kw) at a rate of about 3 to 3.5kg per hour. I suspect that you need to burn coal if you want to get real heat going.

gerfmurphy

Review or recommendations about vitae 11.
Anyone have one or know much about it

shugy

DOBK wrote: »

Hi Joe, Thanks for reply.
I think I've made a major mistake going for this stove, as you say there is not enough Kw going to the room, there are two rads in the same room but they don't get very hot either unless we open up the damper and lash in the fuel. TBH I don't know where all the heat is going...

This is why im in 2 minds to buy a stove. Youve to constantly keep it full to get the benefits out of it.

RebelButtMunch

shugy wrote: »

This is why im in 2 minds to buy a stove. Youve to constantly keep it full to get the benefits out of it.

You wont have to keep it full if you get one big enough and use high energy fuel.

There is also the other benefit. With the vents closed, you're preventing a lot of room temperature air from going up an otherwise huge hole in room and up the chimney. Plus there is just the nice feeling of sitting in front of a fire and getting that bit of direct heat onto the body.

shugy

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

You wont have to keep it full if you get one big enough and use high energy fuel.

There is also the other benefit. With the vents closed, you're preventing a lot of room temperature air from going up an otherwise huge hole in room and up the chimney. Plus there is just the nice feeling of sitting in front of a fire and getting that bit of direct heat onto the body.

My house is 2400 sq ft so i need a 24kw stove or more and to keep the house comfortable. i need to fill the stove with 24kw of fuel consistently

LTLOB

Hi folks, in the process of purchasing a house. Three bed semi detached, with gas central heating. Hoping to possibly replace open fireplace with an inset stove which I would like to heat the radiators in the house. Just wondering what kind of money is involved in this process. Completely clueless on what is involved so will obviously be trying to get a number of quotes for the work but at the moment just looking for ball park figure on costs involved. I know the stove I would like comes in at about €1700. Thanks in advance for your help.

RebelButtMunch

LTLOB wrote: »

Hi folks, in the process of purchasing a house. Three bed semi detached, with gas central heating. Hoping to possibly replace open fireplace with an inset stove which I would like to heat the radiators in the house. Just wondering what kind of money is involved in this process. Completely clueless on what is involved so will obviously be trying to get a number of quotes for the work but at the moment just looking for ball park figure on costs involved. I know the stove I would like comes in at about €1700. Thanks in advance for your help.

Does the current open fire have a backboiler and plumbing already in? That will make a substantial difference.

Bigcheeze

LTLOB wrote: »

Hi folks, in the process of purchasing a house. Three bed semi detached, with gas central heating. Hoping to possibly replace open fireplace with an inset stove which I would like to heat the radiators in the house. Just wondering what kind of money is involved in this process. Completely clueless on what is involved so will obviously be trying to get a number of quotes for the work but at the moment just looking for ball park figure on costs involved. I know the stove I would like comes in at about €1700. Thanks in advance for your help.

Why do you want to do this ? You won't save money.

LTLOB

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Does the current open fire have a backboiler and plumbing already in? That will make a substantial difference.

Hi Rebel,

Thanks for reply. No there isn't a back boiler in place.

LTLOB

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Why do you want to do this ? You won't save money.

Hi Bigcheeze,

Thanks for reply, with regards to wanting to do this I hate the idea of lighting a fire and most of the heat goes up the chimney, and also like when the fire heats the rads in the house.

loki7777

I was quoted about 3,5k for labor, parts excluding stove in Sligo.I just gave up and put insert stove without back boiler as I won't be using it a lot anyway.

Bruthal

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Why do you want to do this ? You won't save money.

I have gas heating, and put in a free standing boiler stove. Saving money was not the idea. It was the lighting a nice fire, and then having to put the gas on as well. The living room is much nicer with the stove firing away, than the radiator from the gas. The gas is handy too though, as I put a home automation setup on it.

It works great having both choices anyway.

Bruthal

loki7777 wrote: »

I was quoted about 3,5k for labor, parts excluding stove in Sligo.I just gave up and put insert stove without back boiler as I won't be using it a lot anyway.

There is a serious amount of work in them. I thought about an insert myself to reduce the alteration to fireplace. But I eventually got the drill out and opened it up for the free standing one.

loki7777

I know, that is why i just took insert instead.

Bigcheeze

Bruthal wrote: »

I have gas heating, and put in a free standing boiler stove. Saving money was not the idea. It was the lighting a nice fire, and then having to put the gas on as well. The living room is much nicer with the stove firing away, than the radiator from the gas. The gas is handy too though, as I put a home automation setup on it.

It works great having both choices anyway.

Exactly the same setup and motivation as me, however, the poster is talking about putting in a boiler stove and I think people have unrealistic expectations about saving money with boiler stoves. His house is on the natural gas network so if he has a decent boiler, this is the cheapest way to heat his house. Plus boiler stoves are not practical for people who are out during the day as they take time to get going in the evening. Gas is instant.

BarryD

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Exactly the same setup and motivation as me, however, the poster is talking about putting in a boiler stove and I think people have unrealistic expectations about saving money with boiler stoves. His house is on the natural gas network so if he has a decent boiler, this is the cheapest way to heat his house. Plus boiler stoves are not practical for people who are out during the day as they take time to get going in the evening. Gas is instant.

Nail on head etc.

Bruthal

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Exactly the same setup and motivation as me, however, the poster is talking about putting in a boiler stove and I think people have unrealistic expectations about saving money with boiler stoves. His house is on the natural gas network so if he has a decent boiler, this is the cheapest way to heat his house. Plus boiler stoves are not practical for people who are out during the day as they take time to get going in the evening. Gas is instant.

The poster seems to have a similar motivation too, that when they do light a fire, they would like it to heat the rads.

If setup properly, the gas can heat the place quickly, and light the stove too. I setup my one to lock out the gas boiler when the pipe stat for the stove brings on the pumps.

People doing it to save money should think again unless they have loads of free fuel alright.

Bruthal

I had put a boiler stove in another house that had no proper central heating. Was so impressed with it that I put the same one in my own house. As said, it was more about having the fire heat the water when it was in use, rather than saving money.
First house original fireplace


Opened out


More or less finished

RebelButtMunch

Bruthal wrote: »

I had put a boiler stove in another house that had no proper central heating. Was so impressed with it that I put the same one in my own house. As said, it was more about having the fire heat the water when it was in use, rather than saving money.
First house original fireplace

Nice job.

I plastered the front of mine in a plain finish. Drilled two pieces of re-bar into the wall and stuck a piece of oak in a floating shelf kind of style.

Bruthal

Looks tidy Rebel,

My own one here, still a bit of finishing off to do, even though its up and running about a year now.

RebelButtMunch

Bruthal wrote: »

Looks tidy Rebel,

My own one here, still a bit of finishing off to do, even though its up and running about a year now.

Looks good. It's never ending I already know my jobs for tomorrow. Silence the water running into the tank in the attic. Fix a skirting board. Do some gardening....

The one thing that never changes is I'll never get to the bottom of the list!

Bruthal

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Looks good. It's never ending I already know my jobs for tomorrow. Silence the water running into the tank in the attic. Fix a skirting board. Do some gardening....

The one thing that never changes is I'll never get to the bottom of the list!

No, its absolutely never ending is right.

cocoman

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Looks good. It's never ending I already know my jobs for tomorrow. Silence the water running into the tank in the attic. Fix a skirting board. Do some gardening....

The one thing that never changes is I'll never get to the bottom of the list!

How are you going to silence the water going into the header tank? It's something I need to do myself.

RebelButtMunch

cocoman wrote: »

How are you going to silence the water going into the header tank? It's something I need to do myself.

I was looking at it yesterday since I was in the attic and thinking of a plan. So far my plan is to suspend a piece of pvc piping from some fishing line tied around the part where the ballcock is suspended from. Nothing fancy. I'll let you know how it goes!
Picture me standing hunched over in the attic with a headlamp on, then dropping the pipe into the tank and cursing like a madman. Note to self: dont drop pipe into tank.

Casa 2013

Anyone have recommendations for a really good double sided stove? It would have to be multi fuel and have a boiler. It would be heating two very large rooms.

I don't know much about brands so Im open to all suggestion. I want one that fits into the wall. No legs. Modern/clean look.

Thanks in advance!

jimbev

Can you stick the stove pipe up the chimney and pack it with rockwool to stop any soot coming down

cocoman

jimbev wrote: »

Can you stick the stove pipe up the chimney and pack it with rockwool to stop any soot coming down

Not recommended.

RebelButtMunch

cocoman wrote: »

Not recommended.

I thought that was pretty standard? Why wouldn't you recommend (genuine question) ?

darrenking

Hi just wondering if anyone can tell me what to set the thermostat temperature to off the range. We have 6 radiators to heat in a fairly small dormer semi and it's currently set at 55

Joe1919

jimbev wrote: »

Can you stick the stove pipe up the chimney and pack it with rockwool to stop any soot coming down

As far as I can see, there are at least three potential problems with this.

1. Sweeping the chimney. The stove may need to be pulled out every year to properly clean the chimney and remove soot/creosote build up at joint. Definitely a huge problem if stove has a boiler.

2.Possible air leakage at junction could be carbon monoxide risk. e.g. Packing could become loose....air leakage would spoil draw..especially if stove dampers closed.

3. Chimney fire.....hot burning creosote runs down chimney onto packing.....reduces the rockwool springy bulkiness .....escapes into room and cause smoke/fire etc

BarryD

jimbev wrote: »

Can you stick the stove pipe up the chimney and pack it with rockwool to stop any soot coming down

Are you connecting the flue pipe to a flexible flue liner running up the length of the chimney? We have an arrangement like that with a metal plate as a separator. Access to flue pipe and liner via a cover in side of former.

Glantinegaels

Hi has anyone any experience with hestia double sided back boiler stoves looking at one for a new build? Thanks in advance.

gavin77

Hi I'm looking to get a new fireplace and stove fited seen the fireplace and the stove I want it's an insert Henley achaill6.6 non boiler stove.
Now the place I Seen it in says that I don't need the flue liner they said all I Need is the bit from the top of the stove up the chimney.
My house is 12 years old and have never lit a fire in it.
Their is a gas pipe Siting in the fire place I presume I need to get that disconnected.
Thanks for any advice.

BarryD

gavin77 wrote: »

Hi I'm looking to get a new fireplace and stove fited seen the fireplace and the stove I want it's an insert Henley achaill6.6 non boiler stove.
Now the place I Seen it in says that I don't need the flue liner they said all I Need is the bit from the top of the stove up the chimney.
My house is 12 years old and have never lit a fire in it.
Their is a gas pipe Siting in the fire place I presume I need to get that disconnected.
Thanks for any advice.

If your house is only 12 years old and the chimney was built for an open fire, then it should have a properly constructed chimney with clay flue liners etc. A quick inspection from below should help. That said, you can never legislate for rogue builders and their sometimes shoddy work and shortcuts.

RebelButtMunch

gavin77 wrote: »

Hi I'm looking to get a new fireplace and stove fited seen the fireplace and the stove I want it's an insert Henley achaill6.6 non boiler stove.
Now the place I Seen it in says that I don't need the flue liner they said all I Need is the bit from the top of the stove up the chimney.
My house is 12 years old and have never lit a fire in it.
Their is a gas pipe Siting in the fire place I presume I need to get that disconnected.
Thanks for any advice.

You'll need a registered gas installer to disconnect your gas. You could get that done in advance.

Entonces

Hi stove people

Does anyone on here have any experience of a new product called heathero.
Its saying all the right things about improving my stoves output to rads, saving money and fuel.
Ive never really had more than lukewarm rads off my Charnwood country 16b, and been disappointed with it since installation. This product says it can correct all that with a 48% incense in heat to the rads.

Can anyone offer any thoughts on how it's plumbed or actual feedback on the heat hero?

Www.Heathero.ie

Joe1919

Entonces wrote: »

...... This product says it can correct all that with a 48% incense in heat to the rads.....

The website actually says

is proven to increase heat circulation by 48%

There is a difference. Increasing heat circulation may not increase the overall heat by that much.

PS. What fuel are you using in the Charnwood and how much? A 16 kw stove needs a lot of fuel (coal?) to get full output. As far as I can see, the heathero can only improve water circulation if this is poor or the system is poorly balanced etc.

Manon.2411

Me and my hubby buyed a stove last year, we didn't know anything about it, and we traveled all over dublin to find the right shop and all the blablabla, and we finally end up in a place near finglas, the man was really nice and explain everything to us, step by step, we buyed the morgan hamco and we don't have any problem with it.
i can't really help because every situation and needs are different but the name of the shop is . Even if it's just for info they will answer you, and you might have a free cup of tea.

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893bet

Installing two new stoves in a new build.

An ACR Neo 3p (prefer the tor pico but it's just too expensive and a little too big!)
A Henley Ascot 5 kW.

Anyone any experience with either?

Jane98

So I have a Henley Druid 12kw thats only 7 months old which we mostly only light at weekends. Imagine my surprise when I go to light it this evening and find a crack in the glass running from the top to the bottom.

Can anyone shed any light on how this may have occured and I am assuming there is a guarantee with my stove so would it cover this?