Upcoming bye-election discussion - Mod instruction post #6. Please read carefully.

BostonB

chucknorris wrote: »

...I will say one thing godscop, allot of the posters on this thread are clearly not listening to the national media. It's available for play back....

I would have thought the point of a forum is to discuss the issues here, not direct people to somewhere else.

On the point of education you seem to be making the point is that there's nothing that can be done locally. (I don't entirely disagree). But how does that fit with your earlier comments about education being an important issue for these elections.

Akapulco

BostonB wrote: »

Indeed which is why I clarified my point,



..and asked you what specifically impressed you about your choice.

Well, I thought he came across as an enthusiastic, personable fella. I like that he comes from my area because I feel he knows the issues in the area first hand bcoz he grew up in the area. He made the point why not to elect either FG or Lab as it isn't going to effect the government and I hadn't thought about it like that but do now. I don't like what FF have done in the past but I think Labour and FG made promises before the election they knew they couldn't keep. FF were going to be destroyed anyway they didn't need to lie to get into government. So like I said I think he performed better on the TV and radio than the rest so my choice is based on a mixture of all the above really.

chucknorris

BostonB wrote: »

I would have thought the point of a forum is to discuss the issues here, not direct people to somewhere else.

On the point of education you seem to be making the point is that there's nothing that can be done locally. (I don't entirely disagree). But how does that fit with your earlier comments about education being an important issue for these elections.

You twist absolutely everything but I never said they cannot do anything locally, this is about nationally. This is a seat in national parliament.

You should go and listen to the national media and listen in person to these people standing for election and then come back and discuss here because I'm sure a few others here have already listened.

Budget cuts will be voted on by government. The cuts will affect the likes of Connolly no doubt and if either of the government candidates are in power they will vote with their parties. that's a clear contradiction no matter who you are or what way inclined you are.

So what are they going to do??? Opposition is a natural choice in most historic by elections. That leaves Coppinger, McGuinness and Donnelly.

Arciphel

This is what your ballot paper is going to look like folks...

http://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119&Itemid=125

chucknorris

Arciphel wrote: »

This is what your ballot paper is going to look like folks...

http://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119&Itemid=125

Please reply to my post on canvassing and voter numbers in Waterville.

athtrasna

chucknorris wrote: »

Has anyone else canvassed your area this time round since we last had it out?

I'm hard to catch...between work and being out 3-5 nights a week and Sundays with community groups...I do have some sorry I missed you literature in my recycle bin so someone has been around. Between Presidential Litirs and Bye-Election ones and literature...the bin is filling up

chucknorris wrote: »

Athrasna how dare you reply to someone else

I asked you a question on the previous page.

Apologies..sorted above

chucknorris wrote: »

I cant agree with that.

There is roughly six posters here regularly and they are all die hard. Whom ever this new poster is i cannot say but you have the tools to know enough.
....
I cannot see anyone flying ahead of the poll but transfers will decide this by election no doubt.

Die hard - moi :P ?

Transfers are vital in this one, hard to tell who will turn out and how they will vote. Most difficult election to call in a long time IMO

Akapulco wrote: »

. Yes this is my first time posting and this election is the reason I joined boards. I did not get on here and start "gushing" about one person I gave a credible reason for not voting for the rest.

Did politics.ie not appeal to you as a logical forum to join if you want to discuss elections? Strange that you would join boards just for the Election???

chucknorris wrote: »

So what are they going to do??? Opposition is a natural choice in most historic by elections. That leaves Coppinger, McGuinness and Donnelly.

And O'Gorman

Akapulco

athtrasna wrote: »

I'm hard to catch...between work and being out 3-5 nights a week and Sundays with community groups...I do have some sorry I missed you literature in my recycle bin so someone has been around. Between Presidential Litirs and Bye-Election ones and literature...the bin is filling up



Apologies..sorted above



Die hard - moi :P ?

Transfers are vital in this one, hard to tell who will turn out and how they will vote. Most difficult election to call in a long time IMO



Did politics.ie not appeal to you as a logical forum to join if you want to discuss elections? Strange that you would join boards just for the Election???



And O'Gorman

I didn't know there was a politics forum. No matter what I say here its gonna be scrutinized for motives. It would seem only obsessive posters are allowed have an opinion on an area they prob don't even live in! Good Luck!

BostonB

Arciphel wrote: »

...Is this the appropriate forum to have a thread on the upcoming bye-election? Would be great to have a thread to compare election pre-election promises, discuss the candidates manifestos etc?...

On re-reading this thread I realise I've made a mistake. I subscribed as I thought I would find out information as per the OP suggested. However it seems purely about canvassing for the campaign. So I realise now the futility of my comments.

Good luck with it.

But stop calling when during the kids bed time.

chucknorris

athtrasna wrote: »

I'm hard to catch...between work and being out 3-5 nights a week and Sundays with community groups...I do have some sorry I missed you literature in my recycle bin so someone has been around. Between Presidential Litirs and Bye-Election ones and literature...the bin is filling up



Apologies..sorted above



Die hard - moi :P ?

Transfers are vital in this one, hard to tell who will turn out and how they will vote. Most difficult election to call in a long time IMO



Did politics.ie not appeal to you as a logical forum to join if you want to discuss elections? Strange that you would join boards just for the Election???



And O'Gorman

You see, your like me, you have a preference and you always had

So has anyone canvassed you yet at all?

ps: I know you read David McGuinness's leaflet

David is dealing with a waterville issue as it so happens. Car clamping is in operation at road beside the lesiure park where people are parking to save money and whom work in Connolly hospital.

Is this something you have an axe to grind on and what is Rodric doing to address your side of the argument??

athtrasna

chucknorris wrote: »

You see, your like me, you have a preference and you always had

So has anyone canvassed you yet at all?

ps: I know you read David McGuinness's leaflet

David is dealing with a waterville issue as it so happens. Car clamping is in operation at road beside the lesiure park where people are parking to save money and whom work in Connolly hospital.

Is this something you have an axe to grind on and what is Rodric doing to address your side of the argument??

My number one was always likely to go a certain way. I have surprised myself with the way I'm leaning for number 2.

After the Roselawn incident I declined the opportunity for a personal canvass from Nulty! I have also been in touch with a couple of the candidates on social media on individual issues. I think it was FG that I missed.

I did scan David's leaflet to make sure that it definitely didn't apply to Waterville...:p

The car parking you refer to doesn't directly impact me as I'm not in that area of the development but I have noted it on days when I've gone to the Spar on the way home. The parking there is a double whammy for Waterville...they are parking on a private road (Fingal still hasn't taken it in charge and won't while construction isn't complete) and people were parking in the development spaces too.

Given that most people who bought in Waterville believed the hospital access would remain open (and thus give an alternative route particularly during the Christmas chaos at the shopping centre junction) - despite the planning permission for Waterville stating clearly that that road was not to be used as an access road to the village - so residents gained more traffic delays and had parking issues now due to the hospital also. I can see why they want it acted on...not to mind damage to planted areas and grass verges (you should see our landscaping bills!).

I don't know any owners in that part of Waterville so don't know what contact they have had with any local reps including David. There used to be an interdevelopment group with representatives from all clusters of Waterville but that has fallen by the wayside in recent years.

tenandtracer

Harry McGee did a piece in the IT about the election in Dub West today. Seems to be favoring Nulty. This would be the first time in 28 years that a TD was elected in a bye election from a ruling party (if Loftus or Nulty got in). He was fairly complementary about DMG but implied that he was just building for the next GE.

But not a word about Birmingham or Tallon- pfffft not doing his research :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Pepe LeFrits

Got canvassed by FF tonight, the first thing the chap says to me is "Hello, I'm canvassing for Brian Lenihan" followed by "Sorry no, I mean I'm canvassing for the Brian Lenihan seat".

... I think I might have figured out the McGuinness campaign strategy...

chucknorris

athtrasna wrote: »

My number one was always likely to go a certain way. I have surprised myself with the way I'm leaning for number 2.

After the Roselawn incident I declined the opportunity for a personal canvass from Nulty! I have also been in touch with a couple of the candidates on social media on individual issues. I think it was FG that I missed.

I did scan David's leaflet to make sure that it definitely didn't apply to Waterville...:p

The car parking you refer to doesn't directly impact me as I'm not in that area of the development but I have noted it on days when I've gone to the Spar on the way home. The parking there is a double whammy for Waterville...they are parking on a private road (Fingal still hasn't taken it in charge and won't while construction isn't complete) and people were parking in the development spaces too.

Given that most people who bought in Waterville believed the hospital access would remain open (and thus give an alternative route particularly during the Christmas chaos at the shopping centre junction) - despite the planning permission for Waterville stating clearly that that road was not to be used as an access road to the village - so residents gained more traffic delays and had parking issues now due to the hospital also. I can see why they want it acted on...not to mind damage to planted areas and grass verges (you should see our landscaping bills!).

I don't know any owners in that part of Waterville so don't know what contact they have had with any local reps including David. There used to be an interdevelopment group with representatives from all clusters of Waterville but that has fallen by the wayside in recent years.

Thanks for the reply. Indeed you are correct, it would appear to be a matter for the gardi to set down the do's and dont's.

I personnally think that road could have stayed open and the two inward roads to the hospital could have been closed up and that would have releaved traffic conjestion. Too sensible? Maybe

For all readers here - did any of you listen to the dublin west q102 special at 6pm between David McGuinness, JFK and Rith Coppinger. There was a far bit in it but one thing stood out.

Ruth accused FF of starting a rumour that the socialists wanted to increase corporation tax to 24%, the Austrian method. Ruth denied this as lies. David McGuinness refered to it clearly in the February election socialist manifesto and again when questioned by the presenter she denied it. 15 minutes later after the commercial break the presenter checked up, read out live and confirmed that indeed she did state in the manifesto an Austrian style 24% corporation tax as a policy. The silence was unbelieveable :O

Arciphel

Prime Time have a piece on the Dublin West election coming up in the next few minutes...

chucknorris

Arciphel wrote: »

Prime Time have a piece on the Dublin West election coming up in the next few minutes...

Just watched it. I expected a but more detail and maybe some debate.

Do RTE is predicting based on february. seems reasonable. it's up to the electorate to agree or disagree with it.

athtrasna

chucknorris wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. Indeed you are correct, it would appear to be a matter for the gardi to set down the do's and dont's.

I personnally think that road could have stayed open and the two inward roads to the hospital could have been closed up and that would have releaved traffic conjestion. Too sensible? Maybe

For all readers here - did any of you listen to the dublin west q102 special at 6pm between David McGuinness, JFK and Rith Coppinger. There was a far bit in it but one thing stood out.

Ruth accused FF of starting a rumour that the socialists wanted to increase corporation tax to 24%, the Austrian method. Ruth denied this as lies. David McGuinness refered to it clearly in the February election socialist manifesto and again when questioned by the presenter she denied it. 15 minutes later after the commercial break the presenter checked up, read out live and confirmed that indeed she did state in the manifesto an Austrian style 24% corporation tax as a policy. The silence was unbelieveable :O

I guess the bottom line is that access to and from a hospital is designed as such and should never be a primary access route to another location...and thousands of cars a day were cutting through the hospital at the bottom of Waterville to the village. Queues of 15 minutes+ at the Vineyard junction were common.

Coppinger talks the talk but there isn't any substance behind it. All these posters....no household charge etc...if there was a viable alternative the government would not be opting to bring in the charge. The SP tend to be fiscally deluded and Coppinger more so than most. One Socialist TD for this Constituency is already one too many IMO

chucknorris

athtrasna wrote: »

I guess the bottom line is that access to and from a hospital is designed as such and should never be a primary access route to another location...and thousands of cars a day were cutting through the hospital at the bottom of Waterville to the village. Queues of 15 minutes+ at the Vineyard junction were common.

Coppinger talks the talk but there isn't any substance behind it. All these posters....no household charge etc...if there was a viable alternative the government would not be opting to bring in the charge. The SP tend to be fiscally deluded and Coppinger more so than most. One Socialist TD for this Constituency is already one too many IMO

Yea that's a fair point. Maybe a one way system might help where you cannot go toward the village but only from it? It's a tough one to crack no matter what way you look at it.

The roundabout where the accident occurred last week is a car park from about 4:30pm to 6:30pm mon-fri and fairly busy on weekends due to the shopping center.

I find the exit road near the aquatic center to be very handy to get around that traffic and take a circular route away from it through Corduff or Mulhuddart.

Arciphel

chucknorris wrote: »

Just watched it. I expected a but more detail and maybe some debate.

Do RTE is predicting based on february. seems reasonable. it's up to the electorate to agree or disagree with it.

Thought it was a pretty poor puff-piece to be honest, blah blah negative equity, blah blah multicultural blah blah. What school was featured, was that the school in Corduff? Found it very surprising when they were saying there is an excess of school places in the area now, I assume that is only at primary level.

chucknorris

Arciphel wrote: »

Thought it was a pretty poor puff-piece to be honest, blah blah negative equity, blah blah multicultural blah blah. What school was featured, was that the school in Corduff? Found it very surprising when they were saying there is an excess of school places in the area now, I assume that is only at primary level.

That was Ladyswell national school.

I thought it would have been steller watching but it was fairly predictable stuff.

BostonB

Due to all the over development, the N3 doesn't have the capacity for the demand thats placed on it. They should put another slip road out to the M50 out near Cappagh.

chucknorris

BostonB wrote: »

Due to all the over development, the N3 doesn't have the capacity for the demand thats placed on it. They should put another slip road out to the M50 out near Cappagh.

I reckon the M50 and N3 does have the capacity but the bottle necks in trying to get on to it is now the issue. Expect less people accessing the m50 and clogging up of smaller routes if increased tolling is introduced.

The reason the Waterville roundabout is so poor is the amount of traffic trying to get from Ballcoolin to Clonsilla, Blanchardstown and Castleknock at peak times.

The Blanch road north also suffers the same during peak times. If the one way bridge leading to littlepace and ongar from Damastown was two way, it may give people and alternative.

Again it's a tough one to crack.

BostonB

Your right, I kinda didn't say what I meant. I meant access. Hence why I suggest a another access point to the area.

Other solutions is staggered work times. I miss most of the traffic because I've flexi time. I can go in before or after peak time. Cuts my commute time in half.

chucknorris

BostonB wrote: »

Your right, I kinda didn't say what I meant. I meant access. Hence why I suggest a another access point to the area.

Other solutions is staggered work times. I miss most of the traffic because I've flexi time. I can go in before or after peak time. Cuts my commute time in half.

I bought a bike a few weeks ago. That was my solution until the cold weather returned

BostonB

I cycle a couple times a week. But dodgy knee has me off the bike at the moment. Cycling gets me into town quicker and more consistently than any other method. Pity the cycling lanes, junctions etc are so poor around D.15.

chucknorris

BostonB wrote: »

I cycle a couple times a week. But dodgy knee has me off the bike at the moment. Cycling gets me into town quicker and more consistently than any other method. Pity the cycling lanes, junctions etc are so poor around D.15.

They are and you know what's worse? The broken glass on allot of it.

Gaspode

The topic here is????

chucknorris

Gaspode wrote: »

The topic here is????

Local issues in the context of the by election and understanding what matters to people.

Scratch that, I just made it up

ANYWAY, HERE IS THE EITHNE LOFTUS ELECTION POSTER. WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?

Grudaire

Gaspode wrote: »

The topic here is????

We need someone who can campaign for better cycling facilities

BostonB

Do any of them cycle? Commute on a bike?

godscop

Dont know,but ive seen Nulty on the bus a few times.