The race for fourth

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

niallo27 wrote: »

Didn't ferguson say last year that Chelsea always seem to get the big decisions against utd, that sounds like a bit of a conspiracy to me.

my point stands , although he said that , obviously he was trying to have his comments in the back of the mind of the ref for the next game, he didnt have a meeting with the refs chairman about it.

Fergie is a genius at mind games and Kenny could well taking a leaf out of his book

PTO

Tottenham

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Baffles me every year the sense of believe there fans have in the team, manager , club.

well you wouldnt exactly call yourself a good supporter if you didnt have a sense of belief in your manager and club!

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

PTO wrote: »

well you wouldnt exactly call yourself a good supporter if you didnt have a sense of belief in your manager and club!

You can be realistic and still be a good supporter ,

I fancy Chelsea this season for the top 3 and some sort of cup , I am not saying its a cert, it never is.

niallo27

Tottenham

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

my point stands , although he said that , obviously he was trying to have his comments in the back of the mind of the ref for the next game, he didnt have a meeting with the refs chairman about it.

Fergie is a genius at mind games and Kenny could well taking a leaf out of his book

To me mind games are a load of bollox, they are completely overhyped, is Kenny not after bringing it to the attention of all the refs that liverpool have got some dodgy calls, will this not be in the refs minds

amiable

Tottenham

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

How so ?

To be suggesting that the world is against us and its some kind of set up is the reason why my team have been beaten is not on .

Id be disgusted if it was my manager , as I was when Jose started spouting that muck when Chelsea had a few decisions go against them in champions league games,

Mind you he didnt have any cosy little meeting with the UEFA refs chairman, had a meeting or two get a fine for his comments, sucked it up and got on with it.

Because Kenny felt aggrieved and voiced his concerns in a fairly dignified way.

There was no FA charge against him which speaks volumes.

So it seems your scraping the barrel looking for something to moan about Liverpool and the KING because most of your friends are Liverpool fans.

He had a little moan over a few referees decisions.
Get over it

amiable

Tottenham

And to the poster who implies Kenny walks under pressure.

Shame on you,

Horrible underhand post IMO

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

niallo27 wrote: »

To me mind games are a load of bollox, they are completely overhyped, is Kenny not after bringing it to the attention of all the refs that liverpool have got some dodgy calls, will this not be in the refs minds

Im going to leave it at this , unless were back to talking about football merits.

I think it will have the opposite effect , refs wont want to be seen giving Liverpool soft decisions as if they do , teams will be right to call foul as to why liverpool were getting special treatment with the talks with the refs chairman.

niallo27

Tottenham

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Im going to leave it at this , unless were back to talking about football merits.

I think it will have the opposite effect , refs wont want to be seen giving Liverpool soft decisions as if they do , teams will be right to call foul as to why liverpool were getting special treatment with the talks with the refs chairman.

I'll leave it at this couldn't you say the exact same thing about fergusons comments, that refs don't want to give them soft decisions, but you make him out to be a genius.

Kylo Ren

Tottenham

R.I.P bamboozling.

bamboozling

Newcastle

Keno 92 wrote: »

R.I.P bamboozling.

Hi Keno92, I haven't passed away.

Also major lols at Chelsea having the neck to criticise Dalglish about referees.

Pot, kettle and black all spring to mind.

Leiva

Tottenham

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Queen Kenny just cant take the pressure and he'll probably quit

You need to educate yourself on how/why Kenny Dalglish exited Liverpool last time around , then come back here with a proper debate and not a bottom of the barrel comment .

If your intentions was not that-but you are regurgitating a crappy article written by a hack last week about Kenny been under pressure , then I recommend you stop reading bottom of the barrell journalism .

Either way your point sounds pretty silly .

I apologies for going off topic but it had to be said .

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MUSEIST

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

Hi Keno92, I haven't passed away.

Also major lols at United and Chelsea having the neck to criticise Dalglish about referees.

Pot, kettle and black all spring to mind.

I don't recall chelsea criticising referees. I wish AVB would because in 2 of chelsea's 4 premier league games they have been denied 3 clear penalties. 2 against stoke and 1 against west brom. Chelsea are due a few penalty decisions in the premier league........they say these things balence out over a season, lets hope it does

jaykay74

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

Hi Keno92, I haven't passed away.

Also major lols at United and Chelsea having the neck to criticise Dalglish about referees.

Pot, kettle and black all spring to mind.

What Utd fan posted about Dalglish ? Just curious

bamboozling

Newcastle

MUSEIST wrote: »

I don't recall chelsea criticising referees. I wish AVB would because in 2 of chelsea's 4 premier league games they have been denied 3 clear penalties. 2 against stoke and 1 against west brom. Chelsea are due a few penalty decisions in the premier league........they say these things balence out over a season, lets hope it does

You had Jose Morinho in charge for how many years. He tried to bully referees everywhere he went. The things he said about Frisk were horrendous.

Last year Ancelotti criticised the referee after the United champions league game, he questioned the referees courage, character and personality.

Look at how Chelsea footballl club as a whole bullied and criticised the the referee after the Champions League semi final vs Barcelona. Chelsea football club fans would want to take a good look at their own club before criticising others.

MUSEIST

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

You had Jose Morinho in charge for how many years. He tried to bully referees everywhere he went. The things he said about Frisk were horrendous.

Last year Ancelotti criticised the referee after the United champions league game, he questioned the referees courage, character and personality.

Look at how Chelsea footballl club as a whole bullied and criticised the the referee after the Champions League semi final vs Barcelona. Chelsea football club fans would want to take a good look at their own club before criticising others.

You seem to have a distorted view on reality, I don't remember chelsea making any comment on the ref after the champions league game which was suprising considering how much that ref brought the game into disrepute.

Ancelotti made no comment on the ref after last seasons game, none at all. Mourinhno's comments were fair about frisk but he still should not have publicly said them. fair enough but you may not be aware that jose has been out of chelsea for many years now.

Sgt Pepper 64

mixednuts wrote: »

You need to educate yourself on how/why Kenny Dalglish exited Liverpool last time around , then come back here with a proper debate and not a bottom of the barrel comment .

If your intentions was not that-but you are regurgitating a crappy article written by a hack last week about Kenny been under pressure , then I recommend you stop reading bottom of the barrell journalism .

Either way your point sounds pretty silly .

I apologies for going off topic but it had to be said .

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My point is an observation. I am just amazed that a man of his experience would actually ask for a ref's meeting, 4 games in, because a few descisions didnt go his way.
He needs to man up big time. I have a lot of respect for liverpool and daglish and used to enjoy watching them tear apart teams in the 70's/80's but i would never have dreamed he would go running to the head ref crying foul.
Its all part of the game and they will get things going their way.
Fergie, arsne and mourinho might have had a good moan but they would never do anything like that.
Thats why I think the pressure is on, its so out of character and still think that if they fail in reaching the top 4, kenny will walk but thats just my opinion and i am entitled to it

amiable

Tottenham

Again, did Kenny ask to meet Riley?

Leiva

Tottenham

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

My point is an observation. I am just amazed that a man of his experience would actually ask for a ref's meeting, 4 games in, because a few descisions didnt go his way.
He needs to man up big time. I have a lot of respect for liverpool and daglish and used to enjoy watching them tear apart teams in the 70's/80's but i would never have dreamed he would go running to the head ref crying foul.
Its all part of the game and they will get things going their way.
Fergie, arsne and mourinho might have had a good moan but they would never do anything like that.
Thats why I think the pressure is on, its so out of character and still think that if they fail in reaching the top 4, kenny will walk but thats just my opinion and i am entitled to it

We will agree to disagree on that one .

I'm not too keen on anyone meeting Refs etc , but it happens and it's part of the modern game .

I can live with it but I don't think it's directly linked with a manager been under pressure .

Wolfe Tone

Chelsea

Im glad bamboozling will be gone after his antics in the Utd superthread, wont be sorry to see a permanent end to it!

amiable

Tottenham

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

My point is an observation. I am just amazed that a man of his experience would actually ask for a ref's meeting, 4 games in, because a few descisions didnt go his way.
He needs to man up big time. I have a lot of respect for liverpool and daglish and used to enjoy watching them tear apart teams in the 70's/80's but i would never have dreamed he would go running to the head ref crying foul.
Its all part of the game and they will get things going their way.
Fergie, arsne and mourinho might have had a good moan but they would never do anything like that.
Thats why I think the pressure is on, its so out of character and still think that if they fail in reaching the top 4, kenny will walk but thats just my opinion and i am entitled to it

Can you show me a source to Kenny asking to meet Mike Riley?

I won't hold my breath as i've noticed over time you sometimes don't reply when you have been found to be talking bull

I've not seen it where he's asked

Oranage2

Players like Henderson, Downing, Carroll and Adam are all extremely avarage - Liverpool will be lucky to finish 5th above Spurs

amiable

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

Players like Henderson, Downing, Carroll and Adam are all extremely avarage - Liverpool will be lucky to finish 5th above Spurs

They'll finish above Arsenal with their panic buys.

Mertesacker will get found out.

Van Persie is due an injury.

Santos looks good going forward but can't defend.

Downing has looked excellent so far this season.

Oranage2

amiable wrote: »

They'll finish above Arsenal with their panic buys.

Mertesacker will get found out.

Van Persie is due an injury.

Santos looks good going forward but can't defend.

Downing has looked excellent so far this season.

0 for 5 right I'm afraid!

amiable

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

0 for 5 right I'm afraid!

Ease up on the info there

More poor defending by arsenal as i type

niallo27

Tottenham

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

My point is an observation. I am just amazed that a man of his experience would actually ask for a ref's meeting, 4 games in, because a few descisions didnt go his way.
He needs to man up big time. I have a lot of respect for liverpool and daglish and used to enjoy watching them tear apart teams in the 70's/80's but i would never have dreamed he would go running to the head ref crying foul.
Its all part of the game and they will get things going their way.
Fergie, arsne and mourinho might have had a good moan but they would never do anything like that.
Thats why I think the pressure is on, its so out of character and still think that if they fail in reaching the top 4, kenny will walk but thats just my opinion and i am entitled to it

Why not just say that instead of the queen Kenny **** and calling him a loser, it's all about putting pressure on refs, it's in refs heads now that liverpool get dodgy decisions.

mayordenis

Tottenham

Arsenal looking pretty hot right now.

mike65

Hot for what?

Frankie Lee

Newcastle

Stoke for me.

Ordinary man

Liverpool

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Stoke for me.

But they don't play football and they stop team from scoring and they rob teams and cheat and play mean with the big boys:mad:;)

amiable

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

0 for 5 right I'm afraid!

You were saying?

BERBA

Chelsea

BERBA wrote: »

goons will find it hard to recover from the blow of losing 2 world class players

hate always being right , g'wan the blackburn:D

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

Players like Henderson, Downing, Carroll and Adam are all extremely avarage - Liverpool will be lucky to finish 5th above Spurs

amiable wrote: »

You were saying?

I was saying!

amiable

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

I was saying!

How many players did Arsenal have sent off in their last 2 defeats?

You hid yesterday after Arsenal shipped 4 goals to relegation candidates.
How very brave.

At least i have the balls to come on after Liverpool have been stuffed.

Your reply yesterday was vague and bollocks tbh
Downing has been excellent in his first 4 league games and you dismissed it.

Liverpool still in a far far healthier place than Arsenal with their panic buys.

Only a matter of time til RVP wants out

amiable

Tottenham

BERBA wrote: »

hate always being right , g'wan the blackburn:D

Have to say Berba, you were wrong about Gerrard today

jaykay74

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

Fck me that was a quick season.

amiable

Tottenham

jaykay74 wrote: »

Fck me that was a quick season.

In fairness we didn't all believe that.

i still think Liverpool will recover and get 4th

I said earlier in this thread i think it was that i'd be delighted to get 4th

I stand by it:)

Oranage2

amiable wrote: »

In fairness we didn't all believe that.

i still think Liverpool will recover and get 4th

I said earlier in this thread i think it was that i'd be delighted to get 4th

I stand by it:)

All wrong again I'm afraid -

jaykay74

Liverpool

amiable wrote: »

In fairness we didn't all believe that.

Oh I know. Its a fairly extreme point of view

Most Liverpool fans know that 4th would be a good result for the season and they will be close I think. Just one of those days today like Utd had away to Liverpool last season.

Fuhrer

Newcastle

mayordenis wrote: »

Arsenal looking pretty hot right now.

Oh lawl

amiable

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

All wrong again I'm afraid -

Imagine that, another reply without substance from you. No balls

BERBA

Chelsea

amiable wrote: »

Imagine that, another reply without substance from you. No balls

nice spanking today amiable.....as i said before only a few pool players would get in to spurs first 11 and on that showing today maybe none of em would get in to it.:D

amiable

Tottenham

BERBA wrote: »

nice spanking today amiable.....as i said before only a few pool players would get in to spurs first 11 and on that showing today maybe none of em would get in to it.:D

Fair is fair, Liverpool got spanked today

At least i have the cojones after it to admit it.

Better team won today.

They were miles better before any red card anyway.

See my earlier post about Gerrard

Oranage2

amiable wrote: »

Imagine that, another reply without substance from you. No balls

What do you want me to say besides the blindingly obvious!


Gerrard has gotten to the stage where he's past it and couldnt give a damn just happy to collect his wages every week

Adam, Downing, Hendo, Carroll and Lucas are all mid table (at best) players - more like championship players

Carra is just old and crap

Reina and Suarez are good

Skrtel, Agger, Enrique are all pretty avarage -

So thats a team with 2 good players, 3 alright players, 5 championship players and no world class players.

Liverpool should be happy with anything above midable - 7th being a fantastic finish

amiable

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

What do you want me to say besides the blindingly obvious!


Gerrard has gotten to the stage where he's past it and couldnt give a damn just happy to collect his wages every week

Adam, Downing, Hendo, Carroll and Lucas are all mid table (at best) players - more like championship players

Carra is just old and crap

Reina and Suarez are good

Skrtel, Agger, Enrique are all pretty avarage -

So thats a team with 2 good players, 3 alright players, 5 championship players and no world class players.

Liverpool should be happy with anything above midable - 7th being a fantastic finish

All fail Mr vague


Arsenal will be happy to avoid relegation

magma69

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

What do you want me to say besides the blindingly obvious!


Gerrard has gotten to the stage where he's past it and couldnt give a damn just happy to collect his wages every week

Adam, Downing, Hendo, Carroll and Lucas are all mid table (at best) players - more like championship players

Carra is just old and crap

Reina and Suarez are good

Skrtel, Agger, Enrique are all pretty avarage -

So thats a team with 2 good players, 3 alright players, 5 championship players and no world class players.

Liverpool should be happy with anything above midable - 7th being a fantastic finish

Who did you vote for?

Oranage2

magma69 wrote: »

Who did you vote for?

I havent yet - I dont like to base serious situations on just guess work - I like to look at form and the players and dont forget that there's another transfer window so I'll probably vote in this around April next year.

mayordenis

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

What do you want me to say besides the blindingly obvious!


Gerrard has gotten to the stage where he's past it and couldnt give a damn just happy to collect his wages every week

Adam, Downing, Hendo, Carroll and Lucas are all mid table (at best) players - more like championship players

Carra is just old and crap

Reina and Suarez are good

Skrtel, Agger, Enrique are all pretty avarage -

So thats a team with 2 good players, 3 alright players, 5 championship players and no world class players.

Liverpool should be happy with anything above midable - 7th being a fantastic finish

Man that is so far off the truth it's astonishing.

Lucas most successful tackles in all of europes top leagues last season. Championship standard.

Henderson I'm open to correction but was one of the top chance creators in the league last season. Championship standard.

Downing 7 PL goals from the wings last season, plenty of assists, plenty of England caps. Championship standard.

Adam 12 PL goals last season from midfield in a poor Blackpool team. Almost singly handidly kept them in the Premier League. Championship standard.

Carroll 13 PL goals in 26 appearances last season. Championship standard.

Enrique clearly one of the best left backs in the league, strong, fast, good passer, stats back him up, very rarely beaten one on one, any amount of top teams have wanted him over the last few seasons. Average.

Suarez and Reina are good I'll give you that, most probably agree they're top class and that Gerrard, Kuyt, Bellamy, Johnson, Kelly and a few others have plenty to offer but I wouldn't expect you to agree.

amiable

Tottenham

Oranage2 wrote: »

I havent yet - I dont like to base serious situations on just guess work - I like to look at form and the players and dont forget that there's another transfer window so I'll probably vote in this around April next year.

Oh how vague and boring your posts are

Nuri Sahin

Chelsea

Oranage2 wrote: »

I havent yet - I dont like to base serious situations on just guess work - I like to look at form and the players and dont forget that there's another transfer window so I'll probably vote in this around April next year.

How convenient for you.

amiable

Tottenham

mayordenis wrote: »

Man that is so far off the truth it's astonishing.

Lucas most successful tackles in all of europes top leagues last season. Championship standard.

Henderson I'm open to correction but was one of the top chance creators in the league last season. Championship standard.

Downing 7 PL goals from the wings last season, plenty of assists, plenty of England caps. Championship standard.

Adam 12 PL goals last season from midfield in a poor Blackpool team. Almost singly handidly kept them in the Premier League. Championship standard.

Carroll 13 PL goals in 26 appearances last season. Championship standard.

Enrique clearly one of the best left backs in the league, strong, fast, good passer, stats back him up, very rarely beaten one on one, any amount of top teams have wanted him over the last few seasons. Average.

Suarez and Reina are good I'll give you that, most probably agree they're top class and that Gerrard, Kuyt, Bellamy, Johnson, Kelly and a few others have plenty to offer but I wouldn't expect you to agree.

Don't expect a detailed reply.

That post of his you quoted took a massive summoning of courage