Tesco Internship

wild_cat

Dangerous Man wrote: »

It actually is a shocker. You should be shocked; your indifference is the reason why they can get away with it.

My indifference?

What do you mean by that?

I grew up reading Proudhon, Bakunin and Chomsky...

and I only shop in Tesco when I have little or no other choice...

The fact that people are shocked that Tesco would do this is kinda funny. They're well known to be a profit at all costs kind of establishment. You give that type of set up any leeway and of course they will abuse the system to make/save more money for themselves/shareholders. That's basically how corporations operate and it's no secret..


The sickening part is that that a "socialist leaning" party is allowing or actually created an avenue for them to do this......

What we can both agree on is that its really disgustingly wrong... ****ing horribly wrong in fact.

mikemac

Solnskaya wrote: »

they probably google every internet reference to themselves and study the content to assess its commercial impact/how they are being percieved. although they probably include every form of spelling, so, they are probably followingthis thread closely. ...I know, conspiracy theories that way>>>> , but, you'd be amazed the lengths, etc etc.

Not a conspiracy at all
When I worked in a hotel this was part of my job to do searches on us and check online reviews and internet forums, print them off and hand them to management

I'd say most businesses do it now and again

ejmaztec

Dangerous Man wrote: »

What, you're going to avail of a product / service and not pay for it? Where would you get that idea from?

It's 21st Century "Hunter Gathering", which is what I'm going to tell the judge anyway.

Solnskaya

mikemac wrote: »

Not a conspiracy at all
When I worked in a hotel this was part of my job to do searches on us and check online reviews and internet forums, print them off and hand them to management

I'd say most businesses do it now and again

I don't think it's a conspracy at all Mike, I get nervous writing anything about the corporations I have worked for, as they are all very machievellian and anything said out of school can come back to bite you:)Lot of dosh involved, so people tend to get quite serious. and lacking in sense of humour/free speech etc.

Fieldies Dreams

i did that for four months last year and walked out, they treat you like dirt if your doin the nightshifts.....stacking the same food every nite and takin crap off spotty faced power tripping managers that are probably gettin 10 cent more an hour than you are :mad:

dark crystal

I have a different view on this - if you're unemployed, wouldn't it make more sense to fill your time gaining experience and having something to put on a CV, rather than just sitting at home and collecting your dole every week?

People on the scheme could still apply for other jobs in the meantime, but this way, at least you have something to add to your CV, instead of nothing at all (and an extra €50 into the bargain - not much, I accept, but better than nothing)

I understand where the exploitation aspect is coming into people's argument, but beyond the outrage, can anyone see any benefits to the scheme at all??

mikemac

I see your point dark crystal and it could help teenagers fresh out of school and this was their first job ever.
Learn about uniforms and timekeeping and team work though realy they should know this from school. But ok if it's your first job and it can get you a bit of confidence and independence

But for anyone else, this is not an internship. An internship designing the store layout and looking at perishables and maximizing revenue is interesting.
This is shelf stacking.....

ejmaztec

I hope they manage to recruit thousands of the greatest kleptomaniacs in the country. With any luck the WPP workplaces will all look like the termites have been in.

wild_cat

dark crystal wrote: »

I have a different view on this - if you're unemployed, wouldn't it make more sense to fill your time gaining experience and having something to put on a CV, rather than just sitting at home and collecting your dole every week?

People on the scheme could still apply for other jobs in the meantime, but this way, at least you have something to add to your CV, instead of nothing at all (and an extra €50 into the bargain - not much, I accept, but better than nothing)

I understand where the exploitation aspect is coming into people's argument, but beyond the outrage, can anyone see any benefits to the scheme at all??

So you see nothing wrong with a company that makes billions in profit every year getting free labour at the tax payers expense?

And more than likely removing real paying jobs from the market?

Wertz

I don't think anyone is shocked that Tesco are trying this on (ands they're probably not the only ones that are abusing what this should be about), they're shocked that the system is et up in such a way that low paid dead end jobs can fall under the definition of suitable "careers"...as I understand it, proper interships are about breaking in people who may want to work in a specialised industry or service that they have already studied towards but who lack hands on experience of...it's supposed to hone skills and show an employer that you might be suitable for a longterm role ...
No matter what Going Forward BS Tesco management come out with about this, it's plainly obvious that these roles are the anathema of what the scheme is supposed to entail...that they will probably get away with it doesn't reflect poorly on them but on the idiots who drew up the legislation and are tasked with it's oversight.

mikemac

Labour Party TD for Dublin Mid West, Joanna Tuffy has urged businesses to participate in the National Internship scheme which was launched by Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton at the European headquarters of Facebook in Dublin today.

“JobBridge is aiming to provide 5,000 internship places to the unemployed over the next two years and participants will receive €50 per week in addition to their usual social welfare payments.

“It is part of the Governments wider 'Jobs Initiative' which will offer 20,900 education, training and work experience places for the unemployed as well as the 'Springboard' initiative which will provide 6,000 places on a range of 200 part-time courses.

“The scheme offers the unemployed an opportunity to upskill and retrain and in some cases it may lead to full employment. Public, private and voluntary organisations are welcome to participate and I would strongly encourage them to do so.

“The launch today was a great success and this initiative, along with the various other initiatives brought forward by Labour in Government will help us on our road to recovery”.

Joanna Tuffy, Labour TD June 2011

How much education, training and valuable work experience do you get from stacking shelves? :rolleyes:

Not to all politcal in AH but I thought the Labour Party would be the last to be involved in a shambles like this.
Seems they are as bad as the rest of them

Dangerous Man

Wertz wrote: »

I don't think anyone is shocked that Tesco are trying this on (ands they're probably not the only ones that are abusing what this should be about), they're shocked that the system is et up in such a way that low paid dead end jobs can fall under the definition of suitable "careers"...as I understand it, proper interships are about breaking in people who may want to work in a specialised industry or service that they have already studied towards but who lack hands on experience of...it's supposed to hone skills and show an employer that you might be suitable for a longterm role ...
No matter what Going Forward BS Tesco management come out with about this, it's plainly obvious that these roles are the anathema of what the scheme is supposed to entail...that they will probably get away with it doesn't reflect poorly on them but on the idiots who drew up the legislation and are tasked with it's oversight.

Everything you said is correct apart from the text highlighted. It does reflect badly on Tesco; this is exploitation - there is no other way of describing it. Just because we expect this behaviour from large corporations doesn't mean we should be any less outraged or sickened by it.

dark crystal

wild_cat wrote: »

So you see nothing wrong with a company that makes billions in profit every year getting free labour at the tax payers expense?

Any more than likely removing real paid jobs from the market?

Most companies make profits, Tesco are no different in that sense. Many companies take on interns and pay them sh!t all, if anything.

I've seen people lose jobs and lose confidence simply because they miss getting out of bed and doing nothing of any real value with their day like they used to. They go from dole payment to dole payment, applying for jobs, going on interviews, which yield nothing and their confidence shrinks with each rejection.

I'm coming from the angle that, yes, the scheme is flawed and Tesco will benefit from the increased workforce, but do you see no benefit for the person that has something to actually put down on that CV during a period where they would otherwise just be unemployed? People may scoff at the paltry €50 extra, but that can actually go a lot further than €0.

If you were an employer and one person had work experience and one had a complete gap in employment during the same period, whom would you be more inclined to call for the interview? It shows a certain work ethic above all else.

That's the main point I am making.

Wertz

dark crystal wrote: »

I have a different view on this - if you're unemployed, wouldn't it make more sense to fill your time gaining experience and having something to put on a CV, rather than just sitting at home and collecting your dole every week?

People on the scheme could still apply for other jobs in the meantime, but this way, at least you have something to add to your CV, instead of nothing at all (and an extra €50 into the bargain - not much, I accept, but better than nothing)

I understand where the exploitation aspect is coming into people's argument, but beyond the outrage, can anyone see any benefits to the scheme at all??

The only benefit here is for the company.
Anyone that would put a job like this on their CV is very desperate to fill it...if you're that desperate make sh*t up.

There was a time when you got a minimum hourly rate for work like this and the last thing you'd have done was put it in a CV...
Personally speaking if I was in the position of having to do this I'd sooner volunteer at a charity shop or something or go out picking spuds or sweeping the bloody streets...not making money for such a faceless corporation, whilst being laughed at and loathed by the other shelf stackers getting their hourly wage whilst worrying that you and your kind are eventually going to do them out of paid work.

dark crystal

mikemac wrote: »

How much education, training and valuable work experience do you get from stacking shelves? :rolleyes:

In fairness, more than you would get from doing nothing at all.

stupidusername

Do a search on FaceBook for jobbridge, there's three results.

wild_cat

dark crystal wrote: »

Most companies make profits, Tesco are no different in that sense. Many companies take on interns and pay them sh!t all, if anything.

I've seen people lose jobs and lose confidence simply because they miss getting out of bed and doing nothing of any real value with their day like they used to. They go from dole payment to dole payment, applying for jobs, going on interviews, which yield nothing and their confidence shrinks with each rejection.

I'm coming from the angle that, yes, the scheme is flawed and Tesco will benefit from the increased workforce, but do you see no benefit for the person that has something to actually put down on that CV during a period where they would otherwise just be unemployed? People may scoff at the paltry €50 extra, but that can actually go a lot further than €0.

If you were an employer and one person had work experience and one had a complete gap in employment during the same period, whom would you be more inclined to call for the interview? It shows a certain work ethic above all else.

That's the main point I am making.

Being of the political mind frame that I am... I wouldn't higher anyone who allowed them selves to be treated as a free whipping boy for big business.

Plus being a shelf stacker isn't really going to gain you any experience to get a decent job. If you're a science graduate you'll need experience in a scientific field not shelf stacking!

There's also proof that the whole scheme is removing jobs from the actual jobs market. Have a look in the mega thread about it, people have applied for "paid" jobs only to be told that they have now been entered into the jobs bridge scheme instead.... and they can apply through that if they wish.

How are people meant to get back into the real working and "real" wage environment if jobs that should have been entered into the private jobs market are being put on on jobs bridge?


Why should the company not pay anything towards it either? If they are getting free labour surely even a fiver extra a week would be of help?

I'm lucky enough that I've never been on the dole myself and I'd probably be over in Blanche throwing stuff at Burtons window at the moment if I was.

Sir Oxman

dark crystal wrote: »

I have a different view on this - if you're unemployed, wouldn't it make more sense to fill your time gaining experience and having something to put on a CV, rather than just sitting at home and collecting your dole every week?

People on the scheme could still apply for other jobs in the meantime, but this way, at least you have something to add to your CV, instead of nothing at all (and an extra €50 into the bargain - not much, I accept, but better than nothing)

I understand where the exploitation aspect is coming into people's argument, but beyond the outrage, can anyone see any benefits to the scheme at all??

This is actual job displacement though, despite denials by tesco, that is what it is.
The argument about school-leavers benefitting is rubbish - these are the exact jobs school-leavers used to get and get paid to boot.

The turnaround in thinking is crazy - now it's how lucky you are to be getting an extra 50e on the dole and the company gets free as in actual free labour.

And the pension raid a few months back is paying for this...meanwhile in Tescoland, 3.8billion pounds pre-tax profits are declared.

I'm sure I read all of this in a work of fiction once...

dlofnep

Warned you that this system would be abused, and that people would lose their jobs.

stmol32

In a roundabout way, this could actually work out as a bonus for anyone working for minimum wage in Tescos.

I'm not trying to insult anyone working in the service industry in making this point so if I do I apologise.

The lower paid jobs in supermarkets like Tescos have always been justified because, according to Tescos and their ilk, anyone can do it. There is little skill involved and training needs are minimal. That's how they will pay people the least they can get away with. In fact the only reason they pay people the same low (minimum) wage is because the government have to make a law that says "this is the least I can possibly pay you, if I could I would"

Now that they want to take advantage of a scheme where people work for them but the taxpayer foots the bill (Sorry that sounds a bit irishindepentish). They justify this by saying "no, we are providing a skill.
People couldn't work for us if they hadn't gained "....skills such as rotation of stock, customer service skills, management of waste and damages, merchandising to plans routines”. (Their words from the OP)

Therefore if you are expecting the taxpayer to pay for your workers because they are learning a skill, then you need to pay those self same workers a better than minimum wage because of the skills they are now using.

or in other words f**k you Tescos you bunch of cockrings.



(P.S. I would like to add that the mythical beast "the taxpayer" also includes minimum wage workers. I would also wonder how much Tesco Inc. pays in tax to the Irish exchequer)

FlutterinBantam

mikemac wrote: »

How much education, training and valuable work experience do you get from stacking shelves? :rolleyes:

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.



Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

Millicent

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.



Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

Another toilet post, Bantam? Sure smells like it.

Sir Oxman

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.



Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

And do you believe that work for a commercial company should be compensated by fair payment?

Sir Oxman

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.



Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

...and

h. you learn that being paid to work by the company benefitting from your toil is a thing of the past.

FlutterinBantam

gambiaman wrote: »

And do you believe that work for a commercial company should be compensated by fair payment?

I believe that a person without a job, would benefit from job experience whilst still retaining benefits.

Sir Oxman

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I believe that a person without a job, would benefit from job experience whilst still retaining benefits.

It was quite a straightforward question, anyhow...

FlutterinBantam

Millicent wrote: »

Another toilet post, Bantam? Sure smells like it.

Another negative and defeatist response Millicent, sure looks like it.

FlutterinBantam

gambiaman wrote: »

It was quite a straightforward question, anyhow...

Well then start a thread on it man...... this one is about Tesco Intrnshps last I heard bro.

Millicent

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Another negative and defeatist response Millicent, sure looks like it.

Really? You sure have me pinned there. Well done.

I'm asking you in all seriousness here, and genuinely, I am interested in the answer, why do you think private enterprise is entitled to free labour for six to nine months? I can guarantee you that supermarket work does not require that length of time to train for or assimilate to.

Sir Oxman

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Well then start a thread on it man...... this one is about Tesco Intrnshps last I heard bro.

*Facepalm*

FlutterinBantam

Millicent wrote: »

Really? You sure have me pinned there. Well done.

I'm asking you in all seriousness here, and genuinely, I am interested in the answer, why do you think private enterprise is entitled to free labour for six to nine months? I can guarantee you that supermarket work does not require that length of time to train for or assimilate to.

Of course you are twisting the whole argument totally away from the subject matter.

I am responding to the question of how work experience can help those unemployed to get employment.

I think it can, so like a good man, stop raising red herrings and concentrate of the subject matter.

M'kay.

Wertz

Fair points flutter (the ABCDEF stuff), but tbh most people learn those in the first jobs they get to do...that they get paid for doing...by the company/person/firm they're working for...
By the time I was sixteen I had most of those down...

At the very very least in these cases, the company should be making a top up payment to the point that an "internee" gets the same amount after their social welfare plus additional "wage" is paid, as someone who is doing the job for Tesco outright...but even at that I don't agree with such work coming under this scheme.

mikemac

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I think it can, so like a good man, stop raising red herrings and concentrate of the subject matter.

That'd be hard for a lady like Millicent

Millicent

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Of course you are twisting the whole argument totally away from the subject matter.

I am responding to the question of how work experience can help those unemployed to get employment.

I think it can, so like a good man, stop raising red herrings and concentrate of the subject matter.

M'kay.

Yeah, that proves that you had me pinned -- right down to the gender.

How am I raising red herrings? It's a salient point. How do you think reducing entry level and unskilled roles will help the unemployed back to employment?

FlutterinBantam

Wertz wrote: »

Fair points flutter (the ABCDEF stuff), but tbh most people learn those in the first jobs they get to do...that they get paid for doing...by the company/person/firm they're working for...
By the time I was sixteen I had most of those down...

At the very very least in these cases, the company should be making a top up payment to the point that an "internee" gets the same amount after their social welfare plus additional "wage" is paid, as someone who is doing the job for Tesco outright...but even at that I don't agree with such work coming under this scheme.

Yes you have also good points there, however the situation I am addressing is that it WOULD benefit someone ,who otherwise spends all day doing nothing,at least get out into work place and see how things are done, interact with others and experience some social discipline.

The alternative is that Tesco don't take anybody on and it certainly should not prejudice full time or part time jobs there.

It's far from perfect but one has to start somewhere.

johnners2981

This scheme was a joke at the start and still is, Joan Burton promised this sh*t wouldn't happen, seriously hiw stupid is she. Its happened from the start, I'd say most of job bridges internships could be found on jobs.ie or somewhere as a paid job before this scheme

Wertz

Further Mr Bantam, since you're usually the one worrying over misuse of your tax eurons, I'm a bit surprised that you'd then see fit to endorse their use to prop up private profits for this or any other company...if you want to start isntilling work ethic on the terminally jobless, how about through proper community work schemes where the workers give something back to the taxpayer and society in general rather than doing a menial and unchallenging work that only goes to line the pockets of private shareholders, many of whom reside beyond these shores...

johnners2981

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Yes you have also good points there, however the situation I am addressing is that it WOULD benefit someone ,who otherwise spends all day doing nothing,at least get out into work place and see how things are done, interact with others and experience some social discipline.

The alternative is that Tesco don't take anybody on and it certainly should not prejudice full time or part time jobs there.

It's far from perfect but one has to start somewhere.

Tesco were still employing people before this scheme, I doubt they will now. I wouldn't be surprised to see tesco employees getting they're hours reduced in favour of these interns

FlutterinBantam

What kind of community schemes did you have in mind?

Who would run them.?

Sir Oxman

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Yes you have also good points there, however the situation I am addressing is that it WOULD benefit someone ,who otherwise spends all day doing nothing,at least get out into work place and see how things are done, interact with others and experience some social discipline.

The alternative is that Tesco don't take anybody on and it certainly should not prejudice full time or part time jobs there.

It's far from perfect but one has to start somewhere.

But that's the point - Tesco do traditionally take on part-time staff in the lead up to Christmas and the New Year, no need to if they can get 145 poor fcukers for no cost to them.

A 6 month shelf stacker 'internship' - really?

wild_cat

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What kind of community schemes did you have in mind?

Who would run them.?

Something to do with epic shitting perhaps?

You could be the co-ordinator seeing as its your strong point?

Wertz

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The alternative is that Tesco don't take anybody on and it certainly should not prejudice full time or part time jobs there.

But it inevitably will affect other lowly positions. I can't see how it wouldn't.
Tesco are always going to need shelves stacked and stock ferried and what not...until they can get a team of robots to do it (and that's not far away IMO) they need to pay a human being to do it or else their business is going to suffer. The need for those staff is factored in to their profit margins...if they can cut those costs by use of cut price or free labour, I doubt the customer will be seeing cheaper goods.

FlutterinBantam

gambiaman wrote: »

But that's the point - Tesco do traditionally take on part-time staff in the lead up to Christmas and the New Year, no need to if they can get 145 poor fcukers for no cost to them.

So you have heard that tesco are not hiring any part-timers this season have you?
[QUOTE=gambiaman;74444158
A 6 month shelf stacker 'internship' - really?[/QUOTE]


Beats scratching your balls/flicking your bean for 6 months in my honest opinion.

dark crystal

gambiaman wrote: »

But that's the point - Tesco do traditionally take on part-time staff in the lead up to Christmas and the New Year, no need to if they can get 145 poor fcukers for no cost to them.

A 6 month shelf stacker 'internship' - really?

I see your point, but if no one is willing to take up the internships, then the scheme will fail anyway and those on the dole can go back to doing nothing with their day, other than sending off applications for those highly paid jobs that so many are looking for at the moment.

And it's back to the drawing board again....

OctavarIan

This is poor form if more corporates start to follow suit, these kinds of jobs are usually filled by students.

squod

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Beats scratching your balls/flicking your bean for 6 months in my honest opinion.

Displacing jobs ........... fuhk it not bothered.

Resi12

If it isn't a *****y enough maneuver to pull, then this is truly the gone off cherry on top.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/20/tesco-rings-up-record-profits-again

wild_cat

dark crystal wrote: »

I see your point, but if no one is willing to take up the internships, then the scheme will fail anyway and those on the dole can go back to doing nothing with their day, other than sending off applications for those highly paid jobs that so many are looking for at the moment.

And it's back to the drawing board again....

Or they could have applied for these jobs and received minimum wage for them.... well if they hadn't of been removed from the jobs pool....

Or they could use their own intuitive and garden or take up a new sport etc

You only have nothing to do with your day if you can't find something to do yourself. Which is laziness really.. there's always something to be done!
I take it your employed yourself?

FlutterinBantam

wild_cat wrote: »

Something to do with epic shitting perhaps?

You could be the co-ordinator seeing as its your strong point?

Good man, you can't come up with anything positive,so you resort to personal abuse.

Wertz

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What kind of community schemes did you have in mind?

Who would run them.?

Urban regeneration, community cleaning, sweeping the streets, there are loads of things that need doing. That's not my end of things.
As for who'd run it? we have loads of other jobless people out there who are skilled in all manner of things that we could also pay to organise and run these things instead of it being run by overpaid and pensioned public servants, who should provide only the minimum of oversight and administration.

This is approaching a communist ideal, sure, and is probably impinging on private companies who could provide these services (if we could afford them) but it's a damn sight better than the taxpayer providing the wages for a large corporate presence with very little return.