Cameron Crowe is useless - PJ 20 Letdown

Irish Man

Went to liffey valley last night with some mates to see PJ 20.

Disaster of a film. Brushed over the drummer situation in 1 minute. Timeline was a complete mess. Never got into how the songs came about, studio footage, no interviews with ex members, hardly any interviews with bands at the time chilis, AIC, etc
Christ I would have made a better film out of youtube clips. And the head on Jeff Ament with his HT hat. He came across as a complete d*ck. He talks of integrity when the truth is he would have sold his soul to make it in Glam Band 'mother love bone'. Chris cornell got as more airtime then some band members.

Cameron (Almost famous puke) Crowe hasn't a notion how to make a film like this. They should have got the guys who did 'Some kind of monster' to make it.

Missed opportunity.

P.S
Oh andSlane was my first PJ gig and I have traveled abroad to see em to. So don't question me being a fan. Though I know the sheep will be out in force.

Kersh

Harsh words there. It was about Pearl Jam, not the Seattle scene.

I thought it was a great job for what it was about.

The band came across as being normal guys, who knew they were very lucky to have experienced what they have been through.

Ms. Captain M

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Disaster of a film. Brushed over the drummer situation in 1 minute. Timeline was a complete mess. Never got into how the songs came about, studio footage, no interviews with ex members, hardly any interviews with bands at the time chilis, AIC, etc
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Not trying to be smart but how long did you expect the film to be? What would you have left out to get in the interveiws with ex members, other bands etc.

NothingMan

You seem to be in the extreme minority. Any PJ folk I've talked to and pretty much everyone here seem to be of the same mind. It was a great film and done extremely well. But you can't please all of the people all of the time. Then again, I enjoyed Almost Famous too.

Really can't see how Jeff came across as a dick though.

Irish Man

Ms. Captain M wrote: »

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Disaster of a film. Brushed over the drummer situation in 1 minute. Timeline was a complete mess. Never got into how the songs came about, studio footage, no interviews with ex members, hardly any interviews with bands at the time chilis, AIC, etc
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Not trying to be smart but how long did you expect the film to be? What would you have left out to get in the interveiws with ex members, other bands etc.

I am not going to nit pick 2 hours. If you saw it in liffey valley you could tell everyone felt the same. Why did everyone just trudge out. It does not flow.
If it is a Pearl jam film and not a seattle scene flick then why talk about Kurt Cobain so much. Slow dance. Was that crowes centre piece. And it is sickening to hear them saying he was their guide. Give me a bucket.
Where was Dave Abbruzzese. He was integral to there flow in the beginning.
I really cant get over how bad it was.

Irish Man

NothingMan wrote: »

You seem to be in the extreme minority. Any PJ folk I've talked to and pretty much everyone here seem to be of the same mind. It was a great film and done extremely well. But you can't please all of the people all of the time. Then again, I enjoyed Almost Famous too.

Really can't see how Jeff came across as a dick though.

He is a hypocrite. They all are. No respect for the past.
Drummer thing annoyed me. And why does cameron crowe have to get his face into it. Hanging out at Stones house. Eddie getting emotional over Jeff seemed like he acted it.

NothingMan

Irish Man wrote: »

He is a hypocrite. They all are. No respect for the past.
Drummer thing annoyed me. And why does cameron crowe have to get his face into it. Hanging out at Stones house. Eddie getting emotional over Jeff seemed like he acted it.

I was surprised that the drummer scenario was essentially glossed over but the way it was done was funny, if brief. There wasn't always amicable splits with the drummers and maybe they rather say nothing then something not very nice.

I honestly don't see where you get the "no respect for the past" opinion tbh. I was in liffey valley and about 1/4 exited at the credits and the screen was mostly full until the end of the credits.

Irish Man

Look. I love Pearl jam. I met Eddie and Mike in dublin last time they were here. And they were cool. Though Eddie didn't want to have a pic taken ha ha
But to do a documentary on them of this magnitude and promote it as such, just doesn't live up to what it could have been.

The drummer thing was humurous, but disrespectful. Dave A should have been interviewed. I think a non biased film maker would have done a better job. Christ, there manager helped produce it.

delbertgrady

Irish Man wrote: »

I know the sheep will be out in force.

"Why are sheep afraid?"

Irish Man

delbertgrady wrote: »

"Why are sheep afraid?"

Have you ever met a sheep...scared of everything. Especially stupid replies

NIBBS

I take your point about the Drummer thing, but who knows maybe they didn't want to be involved in it, there may have been a very good reason why it was done the way it was.........

as for the "If you saw it in liffey valley you could tell everyone felt the same."
nope - couldn't tell that at all, I left during the credits, I leave during the credits in all films, I will see them again when I get the DVD, why would I stay till the end of the credits, I was knackered and up early this morning so I left - doesn't mean i didn't enjoy it........

with anthing like this you aren't going to please everyone, just never going to happen, too many ways to do it, too many interpretations of things that happened and why, but personally I thought he did a decent job of it, it's certainly a million miles better than Some Kind Of Monster (again in my opinion).....

Irish Man

NIBBS wrote: »

I take your point about the Drummer thing, but who knows maybe they didn't want to be involved in it, there may have been a very good reason why it was done the way it was.........

as for the "If you saw it in liffey valley you could tell everyone felt the same."
nope - couldn't tell that at all, I left during the credits, I leave during the credits in all films, I will see them again when I get the DVD, why would I stay till the end of the credits, I was knackered and up early this morning so I left - doesn't mean i didn't enjoy it........

with anthing like this you aren't going to please everyone, just never going to happen, too many ways to do it, too many interpretations of things that happened and why, but personally I thought he did a decent job of it, it's certainly a million miles better than Some Kind Of Monster (again in my opinion).....

A million times better than some kind of monster?...get a grip. I like Pearl jam more but SKOM is not a fanboy trip.
PJ 20 is an all out lick arse fest. Crowe wasted an opportunity with all the access he got to make a stellar flick. Its a promo film for blinkered fans. No meat to it.

Nea

Read this thread over the Cameron Crowe insult more than anything to with Pearl Jam, more of a Soundgarden fan myself.

Cameron Crowe would have been very passionate about this project and I would be disappointed to know the mad a bogs dollox of it. I will definately watch it now .

Why would the Chilis have been in it? They werent Grunge.

So can I ask exactly what a sheep is classed as in your post?

Irish Man

Nea wrote: »

Read this thread over the Cameron Crowe insult more than anything to with Pearl Jam, more of a Soundgarden fan myself.

Cameron Crowe would have been very passionate about this project and I would be disappointed to know the mad a bogs dollox of it. I will definately watch it now .

Why would the Chilis have been in it? They werent Grunge.

So can I ask exactly what a sheep is classed as in your post?

Sorry, but your vocabulary is terrible. I don't know what you are on about. Grunge? What about grunge? Whats does 'he mad a bogs dollox of it'?

Nea

I apologise profusely for omitting the letter e, it should have said made a bogs dollox.

As profanities as not acceptible on most forms I used spoonerism to make a point
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoonerism.

As far as I remember the term Grunge was the genre title given to mainly Seattle bands of the alternative/rock/metal persuasion in the early 90's, am I wrong?

DrumSteve

On a side note, whats with your boner for Dave A? If they talk about one drummer they gotta talk about them all and i'm sure they had to keep the running time in check. Dave A was a great drummer but to be honest I'd be more a fan of Krusens work on the 1st album... So simple but so effective.

Irish Man

DrumSteve wrote: »

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On a side note, whats with your boner for Dave A? If they talk about one drummer they gotta talk about them all and i'm sure they had to keep the running time in check. Dave A was a great drummer but to be honest I'd be more a fan of Krusens work on the 1st album... So simple but so effective.

Can we not have boners for great drummers? :P
Be honest...Dave Krusen did a job. Dave A elevated it and his stint with the band produced some of there greatest gigs and albums. Could they not include an interview with him?
I would much prefer a less biased take on the band then Crowes version. Too sweet for me.
Though Stone and Mike come out great in it.

DrumSteve

Irish Man wrote: »

Can we not have boners for great drummers? :P
Be honest...Dave Krusen did a job. Dave A elevated it and his stint with the band produced some of there greatest gigs and albums. Could they not include an interview with him?
I would much prefer a less biased take on the band then Crowes version. Too sweet for me.
Though Stone and Mike come out great in it.

Thats the problem though... they'd need to speak to them all in fairness. I wouldn't bee too hard on Croe though. He had 1200 hours of footage to go through and wind it down for a cinematic audience. I'd imagine either the directors cut or future editions will have more in it.

Malice

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DrumSteve

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delbertgrady

Irish Man wrote: »

Have you ever met a sheep...scared of everything. Especially stupid replies

Er... "Why are sheep afraid?" was a slogan on one of the Vs. tourshirts, hence my putting it in quotation marks.

jenizzle

Baaaah!

Sounds like you wanted it to be Foo Fighters 2 Pearl Jam - Back and Forth.

Irish Man

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Irish Man

jenizzle wrote: »

Baaaah!

Sounds like you wanted it to be Foo Fighters 2 Pearl Jam - Back and Forth.

Never seen it mate. So cant comment.
But I don't deny i would like it a little more edgy. Behind the music-esque(though I am not mad about Behind the Music)

Irish Man

DrumSteve wrote: »

Thats the problem though... they'd need to speak to them all in fairness. I wouldn't bee too hard on Croe though. He had 1200 hours of footage to go through and wind it down for a cinematic audience. I'd imagine either the directors cut or future editions will have more in it.

The quadruple dvd box set might be better lol
If I had 1200 hours of footage I would have made a stellar flick...and I don't make films

DrumSteve

Irish Man wrote: »

The quadruple dvd box set might be better lol
If I had 1200 hours of footage I would have made a stellar flick...and I don't make films

To be fair try sitting in a cinema for 1200 hours.

Malice

Did anyone else mis-read the title as "Cameron Cain is useless"?

tony1kenobi

I would imagine Academy Award winning film maker and Pearl Jam fan of 20 years Cameron Crowe requested interviews with previous band members.

Boom didn't say much either did he?

It was a great film.

Fi H

I went to see it in Liffey Valley too and as far as I'm concerned I really enjoyed it and have already purchased the DVD

SKOM was a documentary filmed in a short period of time. PJ20 is as far as I'm concerned a celebration of PJ's music over 20 years with some talking thrown in.

I LOVED it......it brought me back to some really happy times in school and to when it was all new. Saw PJ in Hyde Park last year and they are still as good as they ever were...which is really fantastic.

The message I got from the film was that seattle was full of people in bands who were all friends and supported eachother...they even say that clearly in the film so to question why Chris Cornell was in it so much says to me that someone missed that message....if kurt was alive or andy wood....they would have been in the movie too.....although PJ may not have existed!

120_Minutes

Fi H wrote: »

I went to see it in Liffey Valley too and as far as I'm concerned I really enjoyed it and have already purchased the DVD

SKOM was a documentary filmed in a short period of time. PJ20 is as far as I'm concerned a celebration of PJ's music over 20 years with some talking thrown in.

I LOVED it......it brought me back to some really happy times in school and to when it was all new. Saw PJ in Hyde Park last year and they are still as good as they ever were...which is really fantastic.

The message I got from the film was that seattle was full of people in bands who were all friends and supported eachother...they even say that clearly in the film so to question why Chris Cornell was in it so much says to me that someone missed that message....if kurt was alive or andy wood....they would have been in the movie too.....although PJ may not have existed!

I watched it for the first time last night, and the above post sums it up for me.

greenspurs

a great movie..... Really enjoyed it.... Dunno what "others" expect though !

its shown on bbc3 /4 fairly often !!