Should Dogs be on a Lead in a Public Place?

ILoveShoez · 21-09-2011 3:39pm #1

Hi all.

We live in apartments and the problem I have is this.

There is a person living across from us that owns dogs, if it was small dogs, it wouldn't bother me. But these are GREYHOUNDS! We live in a city.

I am afraid of my life of a child being mauled by these animals.

I said it to the owner about the dogs being on a lead and all I got from him was "Show me that in the rule book!"

:mad::mad:

21-09-2011 3:44pm

I have a greyhound.

He doesn't maul anyone. In fact, recently a lamb tried to head-butt him, and he didn't retaliate. My nephew and nieces have always gotten on grand with my guy. Greyhounds tend to get a bad rep, given the size of them. However, anytime I go for a walk with him, it's the smaller dogs who are a lot more aggressive.

I know that my experience of greyhounds differs from yours, but I just wanted to mention that they're not always as dangerous as people think.

Weylin · 21-09-2011 3:46pm

yes they should,

ILoveShoez · 21-09-2011 3:51pm

Dónal wrote: »

I have a greyhound.

He doesn't maul anyone. In fact, recently a lamb tried to head-butt him, and he didn't retaliate. My nephew and nieces have always gotten on grand with my guy. Greyhounds tend to get a bad rep, given the size of them. However, anytime I go for a walk with him, it's the smaller dogs who are a lot more aggressive.

I know that my experience of greyhounds differs from yours, but I just wanted to mention that they're not always as dangerous as people think.

Please don't get me wrong - I honestly have nothing against greyhounds. But they are living in the CITY.

ILoveShoez · 21-09-2011 3:52pm

Weylin wrote: »

yes they should,

So what do I do?

ISDW · 21-09-2011 3:54pm

ILoveShoez wrote: »

Please don't get me wrong - I honestly have nothing against greyhounds. But they are living in the CITY.

And? Whats your point? Greyhounds are perfect city and apartment dwellers, as they only need a couple of short walks each day.

Tallon · 21-09-2011 3:55pm

ILoveShoez wrote: »

Please don't get me wrong - I honestly have nothing against greyhounds. But they are living in the CITY.

And?

tk123 · 21-09-2011 3:55pm

ILoveShoez wrote: »

Weylin wrote: »

yes they should,

So what do I do?

What have they done that make you think they're going to 'maul a child'? They need to be under the owners control which doesn't necessarily mean they need to be on a lead.

chughes · 21-09-2011 3:58pm

I think it's pretty clear here in the 1986 Control of Dogs Act :

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/sec0009.html#sec9

Mind you, it must be one of the most flouted laws in Ireland.

ILoveShoez · 21-09-2011 3:59pm

The owner was not with them initially and they came bounding towards me. I am and will admit that I am REALLY nervous of big dogs as I got attacked by a greyhound when I was younger.

borderlinemeath · 21-09-2011 4:00pm

ILoveShoez wrote: »

Please don't get me wrong - I honestly have nothing against greyhounds. But they are living in the CITY.

Greyhounds are considered one of the best dogs for apartment living due to the little exercise they require.

Greyhounds or any other dog of any size is not predisposed to attacking a child or adult. However any dog of any breed that isn't socialised with people or other animals or ill treated may through fear attack if they feel under threat.

Did the owner of the greyhound have the dog under effective control? By the way this doesn't mean the dog needs to be on a leash, it means did the owner have control over the bahaviour of the dog, ie did the dog come when called.

monkeypants · 21-09-2011 4:01pm

I don't have a greyhound, but I've looked after some greyhounds for various people. They're big and lanky and because they chase electric hares for a living, people think that they're fierce. They're not and I'd have a tough time thinking of a lazier animal. Any time I've brought one out for a walk, they've always wanted to cut it short, whereas my lab cross would walk and run all day.

donegal100 · 21-09-2011 4:01pm

Dogs should be on a lead in any public place, by law.

andreac · 21-09-2011 4:02pm

There is no law to say all dogs must be on a lead at all times, unless its one of the restricted breeds.

Also, a greyhound maul a child, are you serious?? :mad:

ILoveShoez · 21-09-2011 4:03pm

chughes wrote: »

I think it's pretty clear here in the 1986 Control of Dogs Act :

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/sec0009.html#sec9

Mind you, it must be one of the most flouted laws in Ireland.

Thank you.

andreac · 21-09-2011 4:03pm

donegal100 wrote: »

Dogs should be on a lead in any public place, by law.

NO THEY DONT!!

Jesus i wish people would get their facts right before posting incorrect information!!!

tk123 · 21-09-2011 4:06pm

ILoveShoez wrote: »

The owner was not with them initially and they came bounding towards me. I am and will admit that I am REALLY nervous of big dogs as I got attacked by a greyhound when I was younger.

Ah ok so YOU have the problem then and not the dogs. I would either

1 - politely explain to the owner that you're nervous of them and ask would he mind calling them back when you're passing and stay afraid of them

or

2 - ask the owner to hold them then go and make friends with them and try to get over your fear.

ResearchWill · 21-09-2011 4:07pm

ILoveShoez wrote: »

The owner was not with them initially and they came bounding towards me. I am and will admit that I am REALLY nervous of big dogs as I got attacked by a greyhound when I was younger.

While the act does not mention leads, unlike the law in relation to dangerous dogs, which I believe the greyhound is not one. The owner must be with the dog and keep the dog under effective control. Many owners have well trained dogs who respond to commands.

The problem is what is effective control, most dog owners believe they effectively control their dogs without a lead. While a person who has a fear of dogs believes that you can not have effective control without lead.

In my opinion any dog owner should at all times be aware of where his dog is, and the effect that the presence of his dog has on other members of the public. I often notice dog owners with dog running free as soon as the see other person they call dog and show the other person that they are in control of the situation.

**Vai** · 21-09-2011 4:09pm

Personally I think they should be. Doesnt matter what breed or size Im sure its not a great feeling for any parent to have a strange dog approach their child. Im a dog owner and not a parent but sometimes people forget that their little darling is an animal.

And as for the dogs...

chughes · 21-09-2011 4:09pm

andreac wrote: »

NO THEY DONT!!

Jesus i wish people would get their facts right before posting incorrect information!!!

Was the 1986 Control of Dogs Act repealed ?

seamus · 21-09-2011 4:10pm

The law does not require that dogs are on a lead in a public place.

The law requires that dogs in a public place must be under effective control. This does not mean that they must be on a lead, however they must be accompanied by someone capable of controlling the animals by command or by lead.

If the dogs are not being left unattended and being allowed to cause hassle, then stop worrying about other people's children and mind your own business. Greyhounds in particular are very chilled out dogs. No dog poses any inherent threat to children unless some idiot allows their child to start pulling and poking at a strange dog.

Bizzum · 21-09-2011 4:11pm

andreac wrote: »

There is no law to say all dogs must be on a lead at all times, unless its one of the restricted breeds.

Also, a greyhound maul a child, are you serious?? :mad:

What do you make of: Control of Greyhounds section 10, Control of dogs act 1986?

Why wouldn't a Greyhound maul a child in a given set of circumstances?

andreac · 21-09-2011 4:12pm

chughes wrote: »

Was the 1986 Control of Dogs Act repealed ?

Sorry, im referring to the normal control of dogs act. The Greyhound one is different.

donegal100 · 21-09-2011 4:14pm

Re dog on lead, point taken, however, they must be "under control at all times"
See below from Cork Co Co on dogs...

Dog Owners' Responsibilities
If you hold a dog, it is your responsibility to do the following:

Hold a current licence for the dog - refer to Licensing page for more information.
Ensure the dog wears collar identification.
Keep the dog under control at all times, other than when the dog is on its owner's premises.
Comply with Regulations for Listed Breeds - refer to Restricted Breeds page for more information
Prevent the dog from worrying livestock. In this regard, it is imperative that the dog is under your control at night, and that you know where the dog is.
Clean up after your dog when it fouls in public place - refer to Dog Fouling page for more information.
Give your name and address when requested to do so by a dog warden.

Dog Identification

At all times, dogs must wear a collar bearing the name and the address of the owner inscribed on it or on a plate, badge or disc. Failure to have collar identification on a dog can result in an on-the-spot fine issued by a dog warden. Failure to pay this fine within a specific period can result in prosecution by your local authority.

ResearchWill · 21-09-2011 4:16pm

Bizzum wrote: »

What do you make of: Control of Greyhounds section 10, Control of dogs act 1986?

Why wouldn't a Greyhound maul a child in a given set of circumstances?

I stand correct, I did not read section 10, it would indeed seem that a greyhound must not only be on a lead it must sufficiently strong chain or leash.

Control of greyhounds.

10.—(1) A person shall not permit a greyhound to be in any public place unless such greyhound is being led by means of a sufficiently strong chain or leash.

andreac · 21-09-2011 4:19pm

Bizzum wrote: »

What do you make of: Control of Greyhounds section 10, Control of dogs act 1986?

Why wouldn't a Greyhound maul a child in a given set of circumstances?

Sure that can be said about any dog off the lead then...:rolleyes:

chughes · 21-09-2011 4:22pm

andreac wrote: »

Sorry, im referring to the normal control of dogs act. The Greyhound one is different.

I would consider being on a lead as effective control. How would you define effective control ?

andreac · 21-09-2011 4:25pm

chughes wrote: »

I would consider being on a lead as effective control. How would you define effective control ?

It doesnt matter what YOU consider, the law is as it is, and it doesnt say being on a lead.

thebullkf · 21-09-2011 4:26pm

andreac wrote: »

There is no law to say all dogs must be on a lead at all times, unless its one of the restricted breeds.

Also, a greyhound maul a child, are you serious?? :mad:

andreac wrote: »

NO THEY DONT!!

Jesus i wish people would get their facts right before posting incorrect information!!!

jeez relax, you come across as narky and shouty;)

ResearchWill wrote: »

While the act does not mention leads, unlike the law in relation to dangerous dogs, which I believe the greyhound is not one. The owner must be with the dog and keep the dog under effective control. Many owners have well trained dogs who respond to commands.

The problem is what is effective control, most dog owners believe they effectively control their dogs without a lead. While a person who has a fear of dogs believes that you can not have effective control without lead.

In my opinion any dog owner should at all times be aware of where his dog is, and the effect that the presence of his dog has on other members of the public. I often notice dog owners with dog running free as soon as the see other person they call dog and show the other person that they are in control of the situation.

in a nutshell.^^

Majority of dogs off lead in parks are not under effective control, hell some of them on-lead aren't either:pac:

ISDW · 21-09-2011 4:26pm

chughes wrote: »

I would consider being on a lead as effective control. How would you define effective control ?

Really? I have seen many dogs on leads and most definitely not under effective control.

Bizzum · 21-09-2011 4:27pm

andreac wrote: »

Sorry, im referring to the normal control of dogs act. The Greyhound one is different.

The "normal" one is the 1986 Control of Dogs Act, Section 10 of this act refers specifically to Greyhounds.
I'm not sure what you mean by "The Greyhound one is different"?

Should Dogs be on a Lead in a Public Place?

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