Moar anti-gaming propaganda !

o1s1n · 22-09-2011 8:24pm

hooradiation wrote: »

We're on the games fourm where people with no idea how the games industry works or how games are made regularly pontificate about things they know nothing about.
Actually knowing what you're talking about around here is not a requirement.

Indeed. Nobody should really say anything or have any kind of opinion unless they at least have a degree in the area.

And even at that, I'd consider what people say at degree level dubious. In this age of free and easy education, where degrees are handed out like toilet paper, a masters level should be a requirement.

However - they still may have no practical experience in the field.

In fact before you're allowed to comment in a particular specialised forum, you should have to produce your scanned qualification and two professional references (of at least five years each) to the administrators of boards.ie.

Then, and only then, may you comment.

(And hooradiation will probably still disagree with you :pac:)

deathrider · 22-09-2011 9:23pm

o1s1n wrote: »

Indeed. Nobody should really say anything or have any kind of opinion unless they at least have a degree in the area.

And even at that, I'd consider what people say at degree level dubious. In this age of free and easy education, where degrees are handed out like toilet paper, a masters level should be a requirement.

However - they still may have no practical experience in the field.

In fact before you're allowed to comment in a particular specialised forum, you should have to produce your scanned qualification and two professional references (of at least five years each) to the administrators of boards.ie.

Then, and only then, may you comment.

(And hooradiation will probably still disagree with you :pac:)

That should be in the rules section

Chris_Heilong · 22-09-2011 9:53pm

chin_grin wrote: »

Media will always need something to blame other than lackadaisical parents. Video games are just the easiest target because it's an interactive medium instead of just observing. I wish retailers and parents would actually heed to the age limits of modern video games.

My friends cousin (around ten) is playing games like Dead Space, FEAR, GoW, etc and I'm biting my tongue as you can't say anything in case you incur the wrath of a parent. Pleasing their child or otherwise, they're still in the wrong buying these games for such a youngling.

Well my son(5 years old) just finished COD MW2, it was the first game he finished by himself, he knows the diffrence between games and reality and he is only 5. I still wouldnt want him playing Dead space, maybe Resident Evil 5 as he says he loves zombies but is always scarred to play a game with them. I dont care what age the box says I will use my own judgement before letting my son play some thing.

Mr.Saturn · 22-09-2011 10:30pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Well my son(5 years old) just finished COD MW2, it was the first game he finished by himself, he knows the diffrence between games and reality and he is only 5. I still wouldnt want him playing Dead space, maybe Resident Evil 5 as he says he loves zombies but is always scarred to play a game with them. I dont care what age the box says I will use my own judgement before letting my son play some thing.

You've ruined any chances he ever had in life.......of having a decent taste in games.:pac:

Chris_Heilong · 22-09-2011 10:53pm

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

You've ruined any chances he ever had in life.......of having a decent taste in games.:pac:

the point your missing is that COD games where primarily made for his age bracket.

Mark Hamill · 22-09-2011 11:44pm

hooradiation wrote: »

As it happens, I have a little, but even if I didn't why would that matter?

I was curious about why you where so naive or misinformed about the peer review process.

hooradiation wrote: »

We're on the games fourm where people with no idea how the games industry works or how games are made regularly pontificate about things they know nothing about.
Actually knowing what you're talking about around here is not a requirement.

If I dont know a lot about what I'm talking about, I generally question the aspects I dont understand and allow for the fact that those with more experience may be right even if its counter intuitive to me. I dont make assertions about it as if I know what I'm talking about, as that would be foolish.

hooradiation · 23-09-2011 10:41am

o1s1n wrote: »

And hooradiation will probably still disagree with you

People could fix that by having less awful opinions.

o1s1n · 23-09-2011 11:40am

I can't believe I just thanked your post 4,294,967,295 times.

chin_grin · 23-09-2011 11:59am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Well my son(5 years old) just finished COD MW2, it was the first game he finished by himself, he knows the diffrence between games and reality and he is only 5. I still wouldnt want him playing Dead space, maybe Resident Evil 5 as he says he loves zombies but is always scarred to play a game with them. I dont care what age the box says I will use my own judgement before letting my son play some thing.

Your ignorance of the stated (government) age rating on that game disgusts me. Your son is five, not fifteen. (Even so he'd be too young to, legally, play it).

Your son should be out playing soccer or building castles or whatever the mind of an active five year old does.

Does he play this online? I'd hate for him to hear the torrent of abuse that other gamers shout to each other.

Leeg17 · 23-09-2011 12:03pm

As an adult I can choose what games I do or do not want to play based on the ratings etc. on the back.

Why do parents and parents group always throw a fuss when a violent game or whatever comes out? Don't fuppin' buy it for your kids. It's the same parents that buy ther little Johhny GTA that will be ringing up Joe on de radio saying "it's a bleedin' disgrace Joe, a bleedin' disgrace, you can kill hookers and run over people!!"....................................... :rolleyes:

o1s1n · 23-09-2011 12:09pm

It must be because of the inclusion of the word 'game'.

Only children play games.

Therefore all games must be appropriate for children.

paddyandy · 23-09-2011 12:15pm

What soon pleases soon palls.

penev10 · 23-09-2011 12:15pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

COD games where primarily made for his age bracket.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I would've thought games about killing people in realistic scenarios were the preserve of adults but obviously I'm a prude by modern standards.

Potential-Monke · 23-09-2011 12:22pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Well my son(5 years old) just finished COD MW2, it was the first game he finished by himself, he knows the diffrence between games and reality and he is only 5. I still wouldnt want him playing Dead space, maybe Resident Evil 5 as he says he loves zombies but is always scarred to play a game with them. I dont care what age the box says I will use my own judgement before letting my son play some thing.

No offence mate, but you're an idiot. I'd say grand if he was even 13+, but 5, and you're giving him a war game which glorifies killing. And why id CoD ok but not dead space? Becuase Dead Space might make him wake up in the night crying and you'd have to deal with that? But it's ok to kill hundreds of people with high power automatic rifles as long as it doesn't scare him... People like you give us a bad name. You should be banned from buying games. I only hope this doesn't come back to bite you in the arse.

And i don't even know how you could say they were primarily made for his age bracket. Most 5 year olds i know can't even play a Mario game! It's aimed at the mid to late teen age bracket, not the just out of diapers bracket!

Mindkiller · 23-09-2011 12:53pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

the point your missing is that COD games where primarily made for his age bracket.

Why is a violent war shooter made for his age bracket?

Wait though, you might be right. Ever since Activision started giving away fisher price night vision goggles and remote controlled cars with their 18+ rated games I've started to wonder if they really are aiming at the kiddie demographic

Retr0gamer · 23-09-2011 2:06pm

Publishers will deny it but they know that their 18+ rated game is going to sell to most to the 13-17 year old demographic.

hooradiation · 23-09-2011 3:04pm

o1s1n wrote: »

I can't believe I just thanked your post 4,294,967,295 times.

That does seem a little excessive - just a little though.

penev10 · 23-09-2011 3:13pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Publishers will deny it but they know that their 18+ rated game is going to sell to most to the 13-17 year old demographic.

The 30-35 demographic is the largest demographic this generation.

Teenager may spend more time playing games (and are certainly more vocal) but its us thirtysomethings that buy the most.

Retr0gamer · 23-09-2011 3:17pm

I'm not too sure about those statistics and how they were compiled. There's a lot more gamers these days in that age bracket but I believe that the teenage demograph is a lot bigger. I see that a UK survey showed the average age to be 23 and a US was 35 although the age range in that one excluded anyone 19 and under. Studies seem to vary wildly and some willshow skewed results based on how they take the survey.

chin_grin · 23-09-2011 3:19pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

the point your missing is that COD games where primarily made for his age bracket.

Wait wait wait. This comment made absolutely no sense.

You're saying that Leon, your son, who is five is not going to be mentally scarred by repeatedly having to tap (insert button here) to take the knife out of the main characters own chest just to spin and throw it in to the "baddie"s eye?

See some sense man!

Raze_them_all · 23-09-2011 3:33pm

chin_grin wrote: »

Wait wait wait. This comment made absolutely no sense.

You're saying that Leon, your son, who is five is not going to be mentally scarred by repeatedly having to tap (insert button here) to take the knife out of the main characters own chest just to spin and throw it in to the "baddie"s eye?

See some sense man!

I will agree that it doesn't. I was playing mortal kombat before I was 5, ripping the heads off things. Didn't make me a psychopath, probably because I had parents who raised me and didn't depend on tv and games to.

Anyone who does something and blames video games has much bigger problems than gaming.

chin_grin · 23-09-2011 3:37pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

I will agree that it doesn't. I was playing mortal kombat before I was 5, ripping the heads off things. Didn't make me a psychopath, probably because I had parents who raised me and didn't depend on tv and games to.

Anyone who does something and blames video games has much bigger problems than gaming.

You've got a good point there, but CoD praises itself on being immersive (hence the FPS) and I just feel the action\violence would be a little too ott for a five year old.

I just think five is a little too young. Either that or I'm getting too old! :pac:

Raze_them_all · 23-09-2011 3:41pm

chin_grin wrote: »

You've got a good point there, but CoD praises itself on being immersive (hence the FPS) and I just feel the action\violence would be a little too ott for a five year old.

I just think five is a little too young. Either that or I'm getting too old! :pac:

Too old!!

Think back to when you were a kid, look at the cartoons and things you watched, no more voilent than video games.

And mario, He went around breaking necks and kerbstomping ****ing everything, Much more voilent then shooting someone!

Stuff really annoys me when video games is blamed. I remember I read that a kid took a hammer to his mother cos she took his pc away and all the papers were blaming gaming nobody thought to say hey, this kid is a ****ing sociopath, if it wasn't a game it would of been because she didn't make the right sammich

chin_grin · 23-09-2011 3:48pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Too old!!

Think back to when you were a kid, look at the cartoons and things you watched, no more voilent than video games.

And mario, He went around breaking necks and kerbstomping ****ing everything, Much more voilent then shooting someone!

Stuff really annoys me when video games is blamed. I remember I read that a kid took a hammer to his mother cos she took his pc away and all the papers were blaming gaming nobody thought to say hey, this kid is a ****ing sociopath, if it wasn't a game it would of been because she didn't make the right sammich

Get me mah zimmerframe boy!

Well my point is immersion. I know the difference between Wile E Coyote blowing up to playing a soldier blowing up other soldiers.

So you can't control the cartoons, but you can control who\what you shoot\explode. That's my point.

To be fair the parents should be blamed as it's them subjecting their kids to this sort of violence too early in life.

Retr0gamer · 23-09-2011 3:49pm

The story of mario in the US booklet was that all the citizens of mushroom kingdom got turned into those destructible blocks. As as you were going around breaking blocks as super mario you were actually committing mass genocide.

Mr.Saturn · 23-09-2011 3:49pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Think back to when you were a kid, look at the cartoons and things you watched, no more voilent than video games.

As an aside, I don't recall Pokemon letting me taunt my kill after I'd stuck a short blade into their skull. Digimon, on the other hand....

Elrollo · 23-09-2011 3:50pm

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Think back to when you were a kid, look at the cartoons and things you watched, no more voilent than video games.

/QUOTE]

As an aside, I don't recall Pokemon letting me taunt my kill after I'd stuck a short blade into their skull. Digimon, on the other hand....

Tom&Jerry, that involved things being cut in half!

chin_grin · 23-09-2011 3:51pm

Elrollo wrote: »

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Tom&Jerry, that involved things being cut in half!

Viewing, not partaking. My point!

Raze_them_all · 23-09-2011 3:52pm

chin_grin wrote: »

Get me mah zimmerframe boy!

Well my point is immersion. I know the difference between Wile E Coyote blowing up to playing a soldier blowing up other soldiers.

So you can't control the cartoons, but you can control who\what you shoot\explode. That's my point.

To be fair the parents should be blamed as it's them subjecting their kids to this sort of violence too early in life.

Usually though the parents just buy the game and and thats the end of their participation, at least with gaming fathers/parents, they will usually play through the game/know enough about it to make the judgement call.

I remember back in the day when I was a wee fella and I was playing manhunt my father came in while I was wire garotting someone head off, he ended up taking the controller off me for a few hours to play then handed it back to me.

Yes games are the most immersive media in the world. Yes parents should regulate what their kids play BUT imo kids are alot more advanced and know more than adults give them credit for. Kids know when they do something wrong, they also know whats real and whats not.

Raze_them_all · 23-09-2011 3:54pm

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

As an aside, I don't recall Pokemon letting me taunt my kill after I'd stuck a short blade into their skull. Digimon, on the other hand....

"Tis cruelty to animals Joe, Now I don't have any of these pokemins and I nevar will Joe, either will my kids, tis an asolute disgrace that parents let their kids keep these precious animals and force them to fight like pit dogs.!"

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