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Templars Hall ..Getting out of Hand..

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cataclysm wrote: »
    Its all gone too far on both sides!
    Was walking my mate home from college last night at half nine, two of us drinking Monster when some lady with dark curly hair and an old guy came over and took the can off me and threw it to the ground saying we're up to no good?
    Then when we just turned to walk away she started shouting that Im littering!?
    People sticking their heads out of their doors in all directions.

    Its chaos!


    That's insane.. Although those people seem like they are at the end of their tether and just reacting rashly due to lack of sleep?:pac:

    I think the general consensus is that people need to pull the landlords up on the behaviour of their tenants, has anyone done this yet? If so then what was their reaction?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Except many people bought the houses in the estate when it was built and before it was full of students.

    So your analogy is invalid.

    It is right next to the college, what did they think was going to happen? As sure as the sun comes out every morning students were going to move in. Revisiting my farm analogy, ya might move into the house in december when the slurry hasnt been spread but sure as god, by the summer time ya can expect the smell to be in full swing.
    These people paid what €200,000+ for these houses? I do feel sorry for them but at this price I'd have to be a 110,000% sure of what I'm buying into, and unfortunatly these people lacked a bit of foresight.
    Just to repeat myself, I do have sympathy for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Nypd


    Looking at previous posts, it seems like the residents are really taking a hard stance and anyone is a target,
    Making it worse is the houses that are playing on the situation.

    Landlords don't seem to give a crap, why not have a residents committe formed made up of some residents and some of the behaved students and action group so to speak.

    It really can't be any fun out there, especially if you can't stroll home sipping on a monster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭letsbet


    O Riain wrote: »
    It is right next to the college, what did they think was going to happen? As sure as the sun comes out every morning students were going to move in. Revisiting my farm analogy, ya might move into the house in december when the slurry hasnt been spread but sure as god, by the summer time ya can expect the smell to be in full swing.
    These people paid what €200,000+ for these houses? I do feel sorry for them but at this price I'd have to be a 110,000% sure of what I'm buying into, and unfortunatly these people lacked a bit of foresight.
    Just to repeat myself, I do have sympathy for them.

    This type of behaviour vy students does not take place to the same extent in any other estate in Waterford so why should people who bought there expect that they'd be the unlucky ones. Students live in large numbers in many other estates but not with the same devastating effects. Your analogy is completely flawed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭wet-paint


    I'm coming from doing a degree up in Galway already, and there's no behaviour like that even when the housing estate is 100% students.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭gscully


    letsbet wrote: »
    This type of behaviour vy students does not take place to the same extent in any other estate in Waterford so why should people who bought there expect that they'd be the unlucky ones. Students live in large numbers in many other estates but not with the same devastating effects. Your analogy is completely flawed.

    It's not that flawed. I made a similar point. These houses are identical to the ones in Grange Manor yet were valued at €30-40k cheaper. Given the proximity to the college, this was always an attractive proposition to prospective landlords. I'm sure Frisby knew what he was doing.

    It really is sad though, that people who bought these houses as an ideal home and unable to afford elsewhere, are having to put up with all this strife. I really do feel for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭letsbet


    They're not much cheaper than many houses in similar areas near the college and my point is that even if it was a surprise to the residents that so many students moved in it should be a major surprise as to how they're acting. Some people may say "ah well, that's students" - but it's not. Not all students behave like this and in other estates (and on college grounds) they don't behave half as bad as what's reported in TH.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭samsham



    You really don't know what you're talking about. For future reference, the "observation room" as you call it, is not that. The CCTV is located in the communications room and the Gardai (or Garda at times) also has to answer incoming calls, 999 calls, alarm calls, etc. There is no one Garda paid to just watch the 30+ CCTV cameras.

    I thought people had to know the facts before posting comments like this one alleging something?

    And before anyone asks, or states, you can pick whichever of the following you prefer:

    - I am a Garda
    - I'm related to a Garda
    - I'm friends with a Garda
    - I'm a retired Garda
    - I'm pro-Gardai
    - I collect facts before posting
    - I prefer taking sides of those who get roasted the most

    Wow! we have James Bond in our midst. "I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you first" Your in a movie in your head bud, Nobody here cares if you are or, not a Garda. After a recent court case I was under the impression the Garda in the station took a keen interest in playing around with the CCTV cameras.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    letsbet wrote: »
    They're not much cheaper than many houses in similar areas near the college and my point is that even if it was a surprise to the residents that so many students moved in it should be a major surprise as to how they're acting. Some people may say "ah well, that's students" - but it's not. Not all students behave like this and in other estates (and on college grounds) they don't behave half as bad as what's reported in TH.

    Em.... Have you been to any housing thats heavily populated by students? I've experienced first hand student life in 6 different places Galway,Carlow,Dublin,Limerick,Cork and Waterford and it is no different. The reason why this seems so bad is there is a large enough proportion of non student residents so the behaviour is noticed. When its only students living in a location the behaviour is the same, possibly worse but its not reported because nobdoy cares.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Elbows22


    Wex_Lad / Newportwex .............Very Similar................ Just saying :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭ArtVandelay76


    O Riain wrote: »
    letsbet wrote: »
    They're not much cheaper than many houses in similar areas near the college and my point is that even if it was a surprise to the residents that so many students moved in it should be a major surprise as to how they're acting. Some people may say "ah well, that's students" - but it's not. Not all students behave like this and in other estates (and on college grounds) they don't behave half as bad as what's reported in TH.

    Em.... Have you been to any housing thats heavily populated by students? I've experienced first hand student life in 6 different places Galway,Carlow,Dublin,Limerick,Cork and Waterford and it is no different. The reason why this seems so bad is there is a large enough proportion of non student residents so the behaviour is noticed. When its only students living in a location the behaviour is the same, possibly worse but its not reported because nobdoy cares.

    That's alot of college life. Are you Van Wilder?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    Elbows22 wrote: »
    Wex_Lad / Newportwex .............Very Similar................ Just saying :)

    Surely there is more than 1 person in wexico?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭letsbet


    O Riain wrote: »
    Em.... Have you been to any housing thats heavily populated by students? I've experienced first hand student life in 6 different places Galway,Carlow,Dublin,Limerick,Cork and Waterford and it is no different. The reason why this seems so bad is there is a large enough proportion of non student residents so the behaviour is noticed. When its only students living in a location the behaviour is the same, possibly worse but its not reported because nobdoy cares.

    Yes I have and it wasn't anything like what's going on now. Do you think it's the same in other areas with loads of students living close together. Why is everyone just focussing on TH.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    TBF I lived in Lismore Park when I was in College and I don't ever remember there being any trouble.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭dayshah


    Elbows22 wrote: »
    Wex_Lad / Newportwex .............Very Similar................ Just saying :)

    Nah, Newportwex was fairly funny. Wex_lad isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    dayshah wrote: »
    Nah, Newportwex was fairly funny. Wex_lad isn't.

    He Re-Registers every now and again and posts a few threads that due to report post function and smartphones only survive about 1minute like "Ziedth is Gay/Retarded" keep an eye out and you might see one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭MitchKoobski


    ziedth wrote: »
    He Re-Registers every now and again and posts a few threads that due to report post function and smartphones only survive about 1minute like "Ziedth is Gay/Retarded" keep an eye out and you might see one.
    I thought I was just imagining things....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    Ya, Ah he's harmless. Let's me use my MOD powers cause I'd never get a chance otherwise.

    Anyway, back on topic. Any trouble so reported tonight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭wobbles


    Seemed pretty quite when i passed on the bike round 10.15. Im sure its in full swing now though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭samsham


    seanybiker wrote: »
    Sorry man/woman .how many cops is there in waterford and how many streets is there in waterford?
    They cant be everywhere at the one time.

    majority of ye know that I have guards in the family. That dont make me pro or anti guards. It just gives me an understanding maybe.
    Have me twin brother up in bed now, fast asleep. Back about 5-6 months ago, he was in patrol car and got a call to go to a domestic or whatever ya call it. On the way to it, the boyfriend involved decided to head off in the car, brother and his partner cop, got crashed into head on. Brother broke a couple ribs and bruised a few. then there was the time he got called out after some fela decided to hang himself. This fella was in court a few days later for molesting his own kids. My brother still had to treat the scene as any other scene. Show the man respect bla bla bla even though he was dead. Then had to call to said childrens house and break the news to them and their mother.
    Oh and yeah, a few weeks ago he was arresting someone and in the struggle ended up on the ground and got a full force kick into the face. The hospital said that even though there are pulled muscles in his jaw and his bite is off centre, it should be back to normal within 6 months.
    Then grown up I had my father coming back upset after going to scenes where a child was killed, car crash, fire, murder etc.
    Tell me this. Can you the fooking job and be on every street corner that your supossed to be all at the one time?????? I bet fooking not.
    I wont go into how me other brother ( who is also a guard) got the crap kicked outta him by 5-6 fella's a few years ago, just for being a guard. He's not to sure how many there was as he was unconcious after getting a bar in the head.

    grow a bit of common sense before ya decide to bang on about something you dont know about.

    As i said before, some are sound and some are coonts.

    not sure what your talking about. I don't see anywhere here where people say garda don't have a dangerous job, just as firemen ambulance crew, doormen or taxi drivers. CCTV is there so that garda don't have to be on every street corner. People who rioted in London were not caught at the scene, they were prosecuted later using the recorded footage. Thats what we paid millions for. That isn't happening here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭phelo2121


    Was out there about an hourago fairly quiet there was a garda van, car and one on a bike!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    letsbet wrote: »
    Yes I have and it wasn't anything like what's going on now. Do you think it's the same in other areas with loads of students living close together. Why is everyone just focussing on TH.

    Everyone is focusing on templers hall because of the mix of residents and students. Do you think that sessions dont exist outside of templers? that people dont walk to and from sessions drinking? Wasnt there similar problems on the ballytruckle road? Different Area, Different students, different year - same problem. Its not unique to templers.
    Theres a housing estate across from University of Limerick, similar enough i guess to templers and guess what, no non students living in there. If you think templers is bad, this place is hell on earth when theres some kind of event on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭samsham


    O Riain wrote: »
    Everyone is focusing on templers hall because of the mix of residents and students. Do you think that sessions dont exist outside of templers? that people dont walk to and from sessions drinking? Wasnt there similar problems on the ballytruckle road? Different Area, Different students, different year - same problem. Its not unique to templers.
    Theres a housing estate across from University of Limerick, similar enough i guess to templers and guess what, no non students living in there. If you think templers is bad, this place is hell on earth when theres some kind of event on.

    You really are ,missing the point here. Children are kept awake until 4am who have to be up at 9am for school. Babies are being woken by drunking idiots. On the radio we heard young kids are afraid to sleep alone. Parents on medication. If it was all all student estate, Yes! no one would give a monkeys. How can that point be lost on you? Confused!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    samsham wrote: »
    O Riain wrote: »
    Everyone is focusing on templers hall because of the mix of residents and students. Do you think that sessions dont exist outside of templers? that people dont walk to and from sessions drinking? Wasnt there similar problems on the ballytruckle road? Different Area, Different students, different year - same problem. Its not unique to templers.
    Theres a housing estate across from University of Limerick, similar enough i guess to templers and guess what, no non students living in there. If you think templers is bad, this place is hell on earth when theres some kind of event on.

    You really are ,missing the point here. Children are kept awake until 4am who have to be up at 9am for school. Babies are being woken by drunking idiots. On the radio we heard young kids are afraid to sleep alone. Parents on medication. If it was all all student estate, Yes! no one would give a monkeys. How can that point be lost on you? Confused!

    If you had bothered to read my previous comments i said i had sympathy for residents. My main point however is that the people there made a foolish decision to move into an estate that was clearly going to filled with students. They may not have known thos at the time but possibly should have thought about it. The problem here is that one group of students may eventually get the message but by next year there wtll be a different group of students ready to pick up where the other guys started. It cant be resolved and someone will end up getting hurt. My point on the estate by UL was that no one dreamed of moving in there that wasnt a student.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭gscully


    O Riain wrote: »
    If you had bothered to read my previous comments i said i had sympathy for residents. My main point however is that the people there made a foolish decision to move into an estate that was clearly going to filled with students. They may not have known thos at the time but possibly should have thought about it. The problem here is that one group of students may eventually get the message but by next year there wtll be a different group of students ready to pick up where the other guys started. It cant be resolved and someone will end up getting hurt. My point on the estate by UL was that no one dreamed of moving in there that wasnt a student.

    I wouldn't say it was a foolish decision - that's too easy. A lot of families may have been forced to avail of the cheaper prices out of necessity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    samsham wrote: »
    not sure what your talking about. I don't see anywhere here where people say garda don't have a dangerous job, just as firemen ambulance crew, doormen or taxi drivers. CCTV is there so that garda don't have to be on every street corner. People who rioted in London were not caught at the scene, they were prosecuted later using the recorded footage. Thats what we paid millions for. That isn't happening here.

    Grand, it's easy to catch them afterwards, but there's no CCTV in Templars Hall, and there isn't someone manning the CCTV the whole time, only when necessary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    gscully wrote: »
    I wouldn't say it was a foolish decision - that's too easy. A lot of families may have been forced to avail of the cheaper prices out of necessity.

    foolish is probably a little bit harsh, however I stand by my statement that more thought should have been put into buying into houses in these estates.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Partizan


    O Riain wrote: »
    If you had bothered to read my previous comments i said i had sympathy for residents. My main point however is that the people there made a foolish decision to move into an estate that was clearly going to filled with students. They may not have known thos at the time but possibly should have thought about it. The problem here is that one group of students may eventually get the message but by next year there wtll be a different group of students ready to pick up where the other guys started. It cant be resolved and someone will end up getting hurt. My point on the estate by UL was that no one dreamed of moving in there that wasnt a student.

    You are referring to Elm Park. I was a student in UL from 2001-05 and for 2 of the 4 years when I was actually in UL (1 year Erasmus - 8 months Co-op), I lived in off campus in Elm Park or "Card Board City" as we affectionatley referred to it. The estate was built in the late 1970s during the previous housing boom in the State and over the years, alot of the original residents moved out. By the time I arrived in September '01, about 80% of the population were students.

    During my time there, I never saw the type of behaviour that is now going on in Templars Hall because the authorities in UL and the SU nipped any potential trouble in the bud by engaging with the local residents and Gardai and asked them to report any untoward behaviour. Anyone who did get out of hand were dealt with appropriatley by the university and civil authority. The problem as I see it is the lack of responsibility from all sides to deal with the problem - WIT managment, SU, local gardaí, residents groups, local businesses. Until all of these groups sit down and draw up an effective plan to tackle the problem in Templar's Hall, the worse it will get. There needs to be a willingness and ability to sort this out and now..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Partizan wrote: »
    You are referring to Elm Park. I was a student in UL from 2001-05 and for 2 of the 4 years when I was actually in UL (1 year Erasmus - 8 months Co-op), I lived in off campus in Elm Park or "Card Board City" as we affectionatley referred to it. The estate was built in the late 1970s during the previous housing boom in the State and over the years, alot of the original residents moved out. By the time I arrived in September '01, about 80% of the population were students.

    During my time there, I never saw the type of behaviour that is now going on in Templars Hall because the authorities in UL and the SU nipped any potential trouble in the bud by engaging with the local residents and Gardai and asked them to report any untoward behaviour. Anyone who did get out of hand were dealt with appropriatley by the university and civil authority. The problem as I see it is the lack of responsibility from all sides to deal with the problem - WIT managment, SU, local gardaí, residents groups, local businesses. Until all of these groups sit down and draw up an effective plan to tackle the problem in Templar's Hall, the worse it will get. There needs to be a willingness and ability to sort this out and now..

    Its not elm park I was referring to and thats just one small area. As for this lack of trouble in the area, you obviously werent there the one night when the gardai had to remove 6 cars from the middle of the road because lads had lifted them from driveways onto the road, meanwhile there were 6 house paties on one street with the bones of 30 people in each passing from each one to the next by will. Its not unique to waterford lads.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Mod Note

    No personal abuse folks. Posting here to get a rise out of people is trolling and isn't welcome.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ah-Watch


    I've been following this thread since the beginning but only now going to pass comment..

    I was down in Templars Hall on Monday for County Colours which was in the Dome. I had forgotten my WIT card so wasn't allowed into the Dome so I walked back to Templars on my own at roughly 10pm. I spotted a SU rep around the bend of Briot Drive who was speaking to a resident at the time. I waited until they had finished speaking and explained I had only come down that evening and had left my WIT card at home (1.5 hours away) so obviously couldnt get it but was there any way of going into the Dome without it until the resident interjected and in a smart and IMO condecending tone told me "Go home and sleep it off" " Sher ya can check your results in the morning you'll feel much better for going to bed " as if to say go home you absolute mess of a chap, you're absolutely legless and cant stand, I was no good and that was the reason I'm not back this year- that I spent all last year being a waster.

    Now I did feel sorry and bad for the residents of Templars Hall for the past 2 years while I had been living there, for the raised voices every now and then- I, hand on heart didnt think our row was bad last year, but they were subjected to noise, shouting, singing, broken glass etc etc at all hours in the morning until now. I had half a bottle of Bud before leaving Templars Hall and was in no way intoxicated, falling around, causing trouble as you dont get drunk on half a bottle of beer. I didnt care for her tone or manner either. I simply approached the SU rep and asked a simple question, explained I forgot my card and it was grand if there was no way of getting into the dome.

    I now feel like- F the residents, they've brought this on themselves. I know its wrong but it would deter many people from having any respect for the residents if they're made to feel like they are a sub class. Yes I do agree that there is a sizeable number of students who do make a disturbance and discomfort to the residents but my respect for the residents has taken a knock because of this and if the residents tar everyone with the same brush I cant see how they'll achieve anything. The students who had respect for the residents will lose it if they feel they are branded troublemakers simply because they're students.

    The resident in question mightn't have meant it the way I picked it up but I doubt it, if she didnt I apologise in advance.
    /Rant over


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭ex_infantry man


    good post ah watch if only every student had the respect that you do then there would,nt be all this hassle in templars! Your defo from a good upbringing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭letsbet


    @Ah Watch:
    Most of what you said seems to make perfect sense. However, you give out about residents taring all students with the same brush yet after an encounter with one resident you've said you now think "F the residents". Is that not tarring a group with the same brush too? Maybe your encounter was the last of many though I suppose but still it's a bit of a generalisation.

    However, overall your point is valid and some residents are obviously going OTT - but in a way you can't blame them. It will often be directed at the wrong people but you can understand why they'd be at the end of their tethers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ah-Watch


    letsbet wrote: »
    @Ah Watch:
    Most of what you said seems to make perfect sense. However, you give out about residents taring all students with the same brush yet after an encounter with one resident you've said you now think "F the residents". Is that not tarring a group with the same brush too? Maybe your encounter was the last of many though I suppose but still it's a bit of a generalisation.

    However, overall your point is valid and some residents are obviously going OTT - but in a way you can't blame them. It will often be directed at the wrong people but you can understand why they'd be at the end of their tethers.

    That is exactly my point. It is tarring everyone with the same brush. From the bad experience with a resident I feel F**K them all (residents) which isnt fair but thats my point, its not fair to tar all students with the one brush. Thinking of students as being wasters or whatever is one thing but speaking to them as if they've done something wrong is another thing. I've spend many a day in Templars over the past 2 summers and see what a nice place it is when children can play in the streets until 9 or 10 in the evening but speak to me in a condecending tone and I've lost respect for the majority of the residents. (I know thats not fair but yada yada yada, guess how some of us students feel...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭letsbet


    I guess two wrongs must make a right afterall then :) Or if ya can't beat them join them. Either way it's such a shameful situation when so many people get caught up in something that they want no involvement with.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    Ah watch, ya should have told her to go fook herself. None of her business what you where upto.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭bradolf pittler


    alot of students coming on and blasting the residents tit for tat style and not a single post about the situation in the w.i.t. section of boards which i find strange,
    seems that the residents are treating all students as "guilty by association"which of course is wrong but not suprising considering the 7 or so years of crap they have suffered.i heard on wed that 1 student was setting off fireworks and was about to be nabbed by the garda he jumped a wall and entered the wrong persons back garden and got a few slaps from the owner for his trouble and was still arrested by the cops.:D
    on a good note tho....i also hear that theres some positive dialogue happening between the wit,su,residents and garda to bring about an end to all the trouble,so hopefully the messers will be punished and the decent law abiding wont be tarred with the same brush...both resident and student


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭ex_infantry man


    alot of students coming on and blasting the residents tit for tat style and not a single post about the situation in the w.i.t. section of boards which i find strange,
    thats because the mods(i.e. Sully) will pop up and say this topic has nothing to do with w.i.t. And either close topic move it or give you an infraction for babbling on about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 cman24687


    what are the noise laws exactly? is it after 11pm that partys can be interrupted by the gardai for noisiness or is it before that time? thank you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    cman24687 wrote: »
    what are the noise laws exactly? is it after 11pm that partys can be interrupted by the gardai for noisiness or is it before that time? thank you

    It's a big thread so it's easy to miss but legally the Gardaí can't stop a house party. Doesn't matter how loud it is. It comes under a different kind of law. That being said, I'm sure a call to the door by the Gardaí would put the skids on most sessions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 cman24687


    im just asking because im a student and last monday i had a house party...it was the only house party i hosted this year and there was only 20 people max in the house. at 9.45 i rang taxis to come and collect us at 10 to bring us to the dome. 5 mins later two guards barged in our door and cleared the sitting room and took my name and student number to give to the college because apparently the neighbours had reported the noise. first of all the 2 houses on either side of us are student houses so it wasnt them who rang on us. it would have had to have been across the road or 2 doors down which considering the fact that nobody from the party was hanging around the front of the house shouting or screaming is very unreasonable. 9.45 is very early to be complaining about noise and in 15 mins we all would have been gone out of the house for the whole night anyways! i mean if common sense isnt gonna prevail then there is no hope of reaching a compromise. an also those 2 gardai that barged in my door without a warrant or without an invite are also in the wrong here too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    I'm no legal expert but I doubt very much the Gardai can just knock on your door and walk into your house without some kind or a warrat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    In answer to your other question I'd imagine the noise would be an issue anytime after like half 7. Similar story with building sites and all. Again though, that is a guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Smiley Burnett


    Ive been following this thread, but this is my first comment on it. This is what the residents of Templar's Hall should do.

    1--find out through prtb/land registry who owns the houses that are causing the racket

    2--make their lives a complete misery

    END OF STORY

    This WILL have the desired effect!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭dashboard_hula


    ziedth wrote: »
    I'm no legal expert but I doubt very much the Gardai can just knock on your door and walk into your house without some kind or a warrat.

    Yeah they can stroll away in if they want to find the owner (lets say if they knocked and they could hear people in but nobody answered) or if they suspected criminal activity (which, melodramatic as it sounds, can be as mundane as underage drinking or something).
    ziedth wrote: »
    In answer to your other question I'd imagine the noise would be an issue anytime after like half 7. Similar story with building sites and all. Again though, that is a guess.

    Either 11pm or 11.30pm is the council knock-off point for loud music and noises, until 7am in the morning AFAIK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    Yeah they can stroll away in if they want to find the owner (lets say if they knocked and they could hear people in but nobody answered) or if they suspected criminal activity (which, melodramatic as it sounds, can be as mundane as underage drinking or something).



    Either 11pm or 11.30pm is the council knock-off point for loud music and noises, until 7am in the morning AFAIK.


    Very interesting. I guess I watch too much American TV.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Yeah they can stroll away in if they want to find the owner (lets say if they knocked and they could hear people in but nobody answered) or if they suspected criminal activity (which, melodramatic as it sounds, can be as mundane as underage drinking or something).

    Its a tough area alright, but most wont object if a guard asks to come in.
    Either 11pm or 11.30pm is the council knock-off point for loud music and noises, until 7am in the morning AFAIK.

    Don't think we have any laws like this, bar car horns.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭dashboard_hula


    Sully wrote: »
    Its a tough area alright, but most wont object if a guard asks to come in.



    Don't think we have any laws like this, bar car horns.

    I can't remember where I heard it, but I don't think I'm the only one who believes it. I used to have neighbours above and below me who played really loud, really bad Polish techno until bang on half 11 on weekend nights when the music was turned off and replaced by fairly quiet hum of voices.
    I'm nearly certain there's some regulation around, if not it sounds pretty reasonable anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Solutions to Templar's Hall Troubles

    Wednesday, 12th October 2011

    Last Thursday a meeting was held to discuss antisocial behaviour that has been causing widespread concern in the Templar's Hall area of the city.

    Representatives of the Gardai and the Templer's Hall Resident's Association were present as well as Cllr. John Hearne. After a lengthy meeting it was agreed by all sides to support the following points.

    1. The Gardai would log all trouble in houses and would go to court to back private prosecutions by residents.
    2. The residents will take to court rogue landlords who do not run orderly houses.
    3. The residents will keep a log them-selves to gather evidence against rogue landlords.
    4. The Gardai will ask taxis to keep the radio volume down and not to beep horns.
    5. The residents have also agreed to cut the number of people on patrol to ease tensions.
    6. The Residents’ Association would like to thank the Community Guard Eamonn McCarthy and the W.I.T. Student Union leader Conor Doyle for all their hard work.
    7. The Gardai have agreed to keep up their numbers to support the people in the estate.

    Cllr. John Hearne said that this is a good result for all the residents who suffer from antisocial behaviour. He would also like to commend the residents for standing up for their community. Cllr. Hearne is also delighted that the college have fined students and made them clean up the whole estate and are making them throw a party for the children that have been kept awake at night.

    He firmly believes that all of these

    measures will bed down this problem in future.






    Taking from the frontpage of this weeks Waterford Today..
    Looks like they're going to really try target the landlords (rightly so IMO )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭buttonteaser


    just heard the end of something on wlr. last night was bad?? any information


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