Templars Hall ..Getting out of Hand..

Professey Chin

seanybiker wrote: »

Seen one video of a student asleep on his car about about 5:30 in the morning. to be honest, I dont see anything wrong with some fella getting lifted outside and placed on a car with his duvet and mattress with him. Fook it, he was harming nobody.

Ive been thrown outside naked. (Not in templars)
That fcuker got away lightly :pac:

seanybiker

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Ive been thrown outside naked. (Not in templars)
That fcuker got away lightly :pac:

Yeah exactly. He got off really lightly. Poor fella having a nap and some resident catching him on camera.

deisedave

Sully wrote: »

Residents are no angels in this and have been around at 3am complaining about students and recording them on cameras.

Residents are families living in the estate, they might have reacted but they were pushed and they are one hundred percent right in this situation. Students are making life hell for them. Anyone who disagrees would have in some way ties to WIT in my opinion.

billythepig

Sully wrote: »

Residents are no angels in this and have been around at 3am complaining about students and recording them on cameras.

thy have every right to video th little bastards,
these people paid big money to buy these houses where as bastering students pay fcuk all to live in them and destroy other peoples lives...

STUDENTS ARE SCUM...END OF

billythepig

bradolf pittler wrote: »

how come the students have no problem posting vids of themselves acting the fool on youtube but the minute someone else points a camera at them or puts a microphone in front of them they bitch about their right of privacy and being intimidated by residents???????
for years most of the students denied it was them doing anything anti-social"just having a few drinks,letting off steam etc" but i've seen the vids of girls p1ss1ng on the street,fellas breaking bottles and shouting at all hours waking the whole place up and i feel the residents have a right to document everything that go's on down there.
i lived in templars hall for 5 years,hated every wednesday night and it was the most stressfull 5 years of my life.i really feel for both resident and decent students in the estate but i can only see 1 outcome to all this and its that someone will be seriously hurt soon.

I totally agree, these scum bastering students think they have the right to Fcuk other peoples lives up, but when the sh*t is on their doorstep they want the world to take notice and take pity on them.

G S R

billythepig wrote: »

thy have every right to video th little bastards,
these people paid big money to buy these houses where as bastering students pay fcuk all to live in them and destroy other peoples lives...

STUDENTS ARE SCUM...END OF

A bit of a generalisation there.

looksee

Sully wrote: »

Residents are no angels in this and have been around at 3am complaining about students and recording them on cameras.

How does that make the residents (owner-residents) wrong? If antisocial behaviour keeps them out of bed and recording people then they are fully entitled to complain. There should be nothing to film at that time of the morning.

As for the suggestion that it is up to WIT to organise student accommodation so that these people can party and riot in a designated area, that is totally ridiculous. What about the students who are there because they actually want to study? Why spend public money to allow hooligans to do what they want?

How about if the students were warned by WIT, and if antisocial behaviour from a particular house continues then all members of that house are expelled from WIT. Anyone who does not want to be tarred can move to other accommodation in the meantime. For heavens sake, people have enough problems to deal with without pussy-footing round irresponsible, spoiled brats who have no interest in studying.

Up2NoGood

hardybuck wrote: »

Appalling comment. Whoever is responsible has committed a serious crime, and all concerned are fortunate that we aren't talking about an awful tragedy.

Edit: The way I'm reading this incident, students have been targeted in some form of vigilante style attack.

If you are saying that an example should be made of whoever has done this, obviously I totally agree with you.

WTF, are you serious?

hardybuck

Up2NoGood wrote: »

WTF, are you serious?

Am I serious about what?

Up2NoGood

seanybiker wrote: »

Seen one video of a student asleep on his car about about 5:30 in the morning. to be honest, I dont see anything wrong with some fella getting lifted outside and placed on a car with his duvet and mattress with him. Fook it, he was harming nobody.

Dude, that is probably the least aggressive incident that has occurred in templers hall

Up2NoGood

targeting students.... spend one Wednesday night in templers hall and see for your self,

Sully

deisedave wrote: »

Residents are families living in the estate, they might have reacted but they were pushed and they are one hundred percent right in this situation. Students are making life hell for them. Anyone who disagrees would have in some way ties to WIT in my opinion.

Indeed, I am sure they were. Tbh, they seem to talk like it was a surprise that they were living with students. Its right beside the college, the houses are cheap and not in the best of condition - perfect for students. Even the Student Union president did/does live there for a few years. Its exactly the type of place students would live in and a lot of people bought houses for that purpose - renting to students. No estate beside a college is going to be "family friendly".

All I was saying that while many students are not perfect and causing a lot of grief, so are the residents. Two wrongs do not make a right. Like students, a fair few residents are acting like "scum" and "thugs".

billythepig wrote: »

thy have every right to video th little bastards,
these people paid big money to buy these houses where as bastering students pay fcuk all to live in them and destroy other peoples lives...

STUDENTS ARE SCUM...END OF

Never said they had no right but it just puts fuel on a fire tbh - like a red rag to a bull. Iv seen a woman recording with the camera shouting abuse as they get into taxis. She does a running commentary in the early hours of the morning. This was 3 years ago now, so I can only imagine what its like now.

As for your sweeping generalization - most students do not live in this estate and do not go out to get drunk and cause trouble (which is an Irish thing anyway). Many students, like myself when I was in WIT, did my best in college and didn't go out every night/Wednesday/weekend on the piss. I had friends in templers, who were quiet folk. Rarely had a party and their idea of a party would be 3-4 people watching TV, having a laugh, ordering Dominos and maybe a few beers. But nothing to get upset about and never any complaints from neighbours and/or the Guards. They were students.

So no, not all students are scum.

billythepig wrote: »

I totally agree, these scum bastering students think they have the right to Fcuk other peoples lives up, but when the sh*t is on their doorstep they want the world to take notice and take pity on them.

News to me. Its not the students going to their TD or Councillors. Its not a student rep going onto the radio or getting into the papers to have a go at the residents. Thats all one-way traffic. Many of those causing trouble are not taking much notice of the residents.

But you will get many people pointing out that many in that estate are not causing any trouble and they have every right to have a party once in a while as long as its civilised and not noisy/causing a disturbance.

looksee wrote: »

How does that make the residents (owner-residents) wrong? If antisocial behaviour keeps them out of bed and recording people then they are fully entitled to complain. There should be nothing to film at that time of the morning.

Never objected to it.

As for the suggestion that it is up to WIT to organise student accommodation so that these people can party and riot in a designated area, that is totally ridiculous. What about the students who are there because they actually want to study? Why spend public money to allow hooligans to do what they want?

Never suggested it.

How about if the students were warned by WIT, and if antisocial behaviour from a particular house continues then all members of that house are expelled from WIT. Anyone who does not want to be tarred can move to other accommodation in the meantime. For heavens sake, people have enough problems to deal with without pussy-footing round irresponsible, spoiled brats who have no interest in studying.

Completely agree.

letsbet

Sully wrote: »

No estate beside a college is going to be "family friendly".

This comment really is incredible. Firstly, there are lots of estates near the college where there is nowhere near the level of trouble that there is in TH. Secondly, why should it be acceptable for students to behave in this manner. To suggest that if you live near students then you should expect to have hassle is an incredible attitude. Students should abide by the laws of the land and decency like everyone else. The attitude of "ah sure they're students, what do you expect" is ridiculous. Most students don't behave like this so why do the residents of this estate have to put up with it or take any blame for buying houses there. They're entitled to their peace and quiet like anyone else. This type of pandering to students as if they have a right to act the bo**ocks is really annoying.

ROCKMAN

letsbet wrote: »

This comment really is incredible. Firstly, there are lots of estates near the college where there is nowhere near the level of trouble that there is in TH. Secondly, why should it be acceptable for students to behave in this manner. To suggest that if you live near students then you should expect to have hassle is an incredible attitude. Students should abide by the laws of the land and decency like everyone else. The attitude of "ah sure they're students, what do you expect" is ridiculous. Most students don't behave like this so why do the residents of this estate have to put up with it or take any blame for buying houses there. They're entitled to their peace and quiet like anyone else. This type of pandering to students as if they have a right to act the bo**ocks is really annoying.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree , its this attitude over the years that has led to this type of anti social behaviour steady increase and get out of hand , some think Waterford or others towns and Cities all over Ireland should be blessed that they grace us with their presents . And that their (not all) behaviour is a small price to pay.

hardybuck

Up2NoGood wrote: »

targeting students.... spend one Wednesday night in templers hall and see for your self,

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Well, your comments are very light on detail, but if I'm following you correctly yes I wouldn't be surprised if students may have been targeted here.

I've heard plenty of people here and elsewhere say they deserve this and deserve that. So, I wouldn't be surprised if someone gets a nasty surprise going by some of the strong emotions that are out there, particularly in that end of town.

Also, to the people posting videos on the internet, Irish legislation on right to privacy and IT law in general is a bit grey, but you may well be breaking the law here yourselves. Might be worth checking out.

billythepig

Sully wrote: »

Indeed, I am sure they were. Tbh, they seem to talk like it was a surprise that they were living with students. Its right beside the college, the houses are cheap and not in the best of condition - perfect for students. Even the Student Union president did/does live there for a few years. Its exactly the type of place students would live in and a lot of people bought houses for that purpose - renting to students. No estate beside a college is going to be "family friendly".

All I was saying that while many students are not perfect and causing a lot of grief, so are the residents. Two wrongs do not make a right. Like students, a fair few residents are acting like "scum" and "thugs".



Never said they had no right but it just puts fuel on a fire tbh - like a red rag to a bull. Iv seen a woman recording with the camera shouting abuse as they get into taxis. She does a running commentary in the early hours of the morning. This was 3 years ago now, so I can only imagine what its like now.

As for your sweeping generalization - most students do not live in this estate and do not go out to get drunk and cause trouble (which is an Irish thing anyway). Many students, like myself when I was in WIT, did my best in college and didn't go out every night/Wednesday/weekend on the piss. I had friends in templers, who were quiet folk. Rarely had a party and their idea of a party would be 3-4 people watching TV, having a laugh, ordering Dominos and maybe a few beers. But nothing to get upset about and never any complaints from neighbours and/or the Guards. They were students.

So no, not all students are scum.



News to me. Its not the students going to their TD or Councillors. Its not a student rep going onto the radio or getting into the papers to have a go at the residents. Thats all one-way traffic. Many of those causing trouble are not taking much notice of the residents.

But you will get many people pointing out that many in that estate are not causing any trouble and they have every right to have a party once in a while as long as its civilised and not noisy/causing a disturbance.



Never objected to it.



Never suggested it.



Completely agree.

try living there with your family and see what its like having scum students acting the dopes and destroying other peoples lives,
il stick to my word, A BUNCH OF SCUM IS WHAT THEY ARE.

comeraghs

some of the cooments on here are completely out of order .


saying all students are this & all students are that is very immature. Obviously some students are causing problems but very obviously not ALL students are .... similar remarks about any other group would get people banned on here & arrested in the real world. & taking that attitude doesn't help the situation. If a few residents acted out of order, would it be right to say all Waterford people are this, that or the other. It's time a bit of maturity was shown by some people .....

mind you, it's fairly obvious that certain creatures are only here for a Troll!

wobbles

billythepig wrote: »

try living there with your family and see what its like having scum students acting the dopes and destroying other peoples lives,
il stick to my word, A BUNCH OF SCUM IS WHAT THEY ARE.

Why dont you contact the landlords then, instead of coming on here complaining. No one here is going to listen to you when you make comments like that. With your kind of attitude, do you really think your helping anyone. No one can do anything about the students and what the small minority get up to except the landlords.

How you havnt been banned already is beyond me, and i dont think you will have long left around here if you keep it up.

chelloveks

People who play with fire usually get burned. Stupid thing by whoever did it. If they killed someone they would be playing a sad tune in the pokey for a long time! Give em a beaten, don't try to kill em!

deisedave

The most annoying thing is when these students graduate and become "professionals" they will be the first person to complain about a party next door when they have work the next day. These people are the future of the country and they really should be respectful, ffs I am not saying all students are scum because they are not. Students are just people and as people they get freedom at 18 and party way to hard but I would love to see convictions for the aholes who are in templars hall, I would love to see them get into a professional career with a conviction.

michellie

This thread's name should be changed to " templars hall...completely out of hand"

deisedave

michellie wrote: »

This thread's name should be changed to " templars hall...completely out of hand"

Unfortunately I dont think there is really much that can be done down there.

Sully

letsbet wrote: »

This comment really is incredible. Firstly, there are lots of estates near the college where there is nowhere near the level of trouble that there is in TH.

Two things - firstly, it shows that not all students are trouble. Secondly, a lot of the estates close to the college have a lot of settled families there and elderly compared with Templers Hall which isn't.

Secondly, why should it be acceptable for students to behave in this manner. To suggest that if you live near students then you should expect to have hassle is an incredible attitude. Students should abide by the laws of the land and decency like everyone else. The attitude of "ah sure they're students, what do you expect" is ridiculous. Most students don't behave like this so why do the residents of this estate have to put up with it or take any blame for buying houses there. They're entitled to their peace and quiet like anyone else. This type of pandering to students as if they have a right to act the bo**ocks is really annoying.

Well to be fair, if your living around hundreds of students you should expect drink consumed, partying, taxis arriving and picking people up to head to the clubs etc. Its not just Ireland or Waterford that has this problem. That was my point. Obviously some are going WAY beyond this, which isn't fair on residents. I'm all for laws about noise reduction in estates at certain times, and heavy penalties for those who ignore it. They are clearly not breaking any laws since the Guards are not arresting people.

billythepig wrote: »

try living there with your family and see what its like having scum students acting the dopes and destroying other peoples lives,
il stick to my word, A BUNCH OF SCUM IS WHAT THEY ARE.

You see, people like yourself (and tbh at this stage I would wonder are/were you even a resident) give the residents a bad name and paint a poor picture of them.

billythepig

Sully wrote: »

You see, people like yourself (and tbh at this stage I would wonder are/were you even a resident) give the residents a bad name and paint a poor picture of them.

how is calling a bunch of scumbag students "a bunch of scumbags" giving the residents a bad name?
you should take off your "I LOVE STUDENTS HAT" and take a trip out there some wednesday night and see the SCUM in action.

Sully

billythepig wrote: »

how is calling a bunch of scumbag students "a bunch of scumbags" giving the residents a bad name?
you should take off your "I LOVE STUDENTS HAT" and take a trip out there some wednesday night and see the SCUM in action.

Indeed.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

No estate beside a college is going to be "family friendly".

i'm an ex-WIT student. So what your saying is that Lismore Park, Ballybeg, and Hillview - where I used to live - are not 'family friendly'? OMG that is complete BS of the highest order.

Its up to the students to fit in and respect there neighbors. Likewise the neighbors have to show some respect. But you try living it (i'd say you never have) as a resident and youd be singin a different tune.

seanybiker

7upfree wrote: »

i'm an ex-WIT student. So what your saying is that Lismore Park, Ballybeg, and Hillview - where I used to live - are not 'family friendly'? OMG that is complete BS of the highest order.

Its up to the students to fit in and respect there neighbors. Likewise the neighbors have to show some respect. But you try living it (i'd say you never have) as a resident and youd be singin a different tune.

Doesn't seem to be as many students in hillview as there used to be. All the ones I met up here over the years have been really sound.

ziedth

What is the ratio between students/residents houses would anyone have an idea?

seanybiker

ziedth wrote: »

What is the ratio between students/residents houses would anyone have an idea?

yeah sure. The ratio is found out by comparing one thing to another thing.

seanybiker

Oops double post. Delete delete

THall04

ziedth wrote: »

What is the ratio between students/residents houses would anyone have an idea?

The article in the Sunday World , a few weeks back said there were 311 houses in the estate and 261 of those housed about 1000 students.....which would give a ratio of about six to one.

I find that hard to believe.....there may be 261 houses rented on the estate but not all of these are student houses.

On my road about half the houses are rented to students....although this could be much higher in other parts of Templars Hall.

Whatever the ratio is , its far higher that its ever been in any other estate in Waterford.
Although this wasn't always the case....but as more residents moved out in 2005/2006 (when you could still sell a house)...more students moved in.

Harry Palmr

Mega bump, it sounds like Escape From New York at the moment.

Stopitwillya

Think waterford Crystal should be bought by the college and made into a student campus. Would help ease students out of places such as templars Hall, and hopefully then houses their can become rentals for professionals or sold to homeowners.

Massive costs in buying the site and building student apartments there but considering wit shouldn't be paying income tax like landlords there is also massive profits to be made.

Also the students can party all they like up there, the colleges reputation does not take a battering and most importantly places like templars Hall can become what they were built for - nice residential estates.

TheQuietFella

I wonder if the residents ever thought of disrupting the exams when they are on?
What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander!

debok

TheQuietFella wrote: »

I wonder if the residents ever thought of disrupting the exams when they are on?
What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander!

Rarely agree with you but finally you might be on to something!!!!

Wanderer78

TheQuietFella wrote:

I wonder if the residents ever thought of disrupting the exams when they are on? What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander!

It's a difficult one to solve, but I'd imagine, not all students live in templers!

TheQuietFella

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's a difficult one to solve, but I'd imagine, not all students live in templers!

It wouldn't bother me one little bit if my life was being affected by them!
It might make them more collectively aware if it were to happen!

Wanderer78

TheQuietFella wrote:

It wouldn't bother me one little bit if my life was being affected by them! It might make them more collectively aware if it were to happen!

Collectively aware! I'd say the ones that are causing the issues couldn't give a rats arse, but punishing all students, some who work, have families etc etc, may not be a good idea, but a collective protest on site, during term, might be a good idea. Any idea how bad templers is now?

TheQuietFella

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Collectively aware! I'd say the ones that are causing the issues couldn't give a rats arse, but punishing all students, some who work, have families etc etc, may not be a good idea, but a collective protest on site, during term, might be a good idea. Any idea how bad templers is now?

Ah the Waterford way! Avoid dealing with an issue instead of confronting it!
Stick the head in the sand and the problem will pass!
Is it any wonder that's why we are where we are today!

Wanderer78

TheQuietFella wrote:

Ah the Waterford way! Avoid dealing with an issue instead of confronting it! Stick the head in the sand and the problem will pass! Is it any wonder that's why we are where we are today!

Distrupting exams may in fact exasperate the situation, I'd imagine the underlining issues creating this situation are complex, the increased availability of alcohol and drugs being one such factor

Harry Palmr

My own solution is expensive but probably the only long term one - a compound of flats behind high barbwire fences with searchlight towers and when they leave it's in buses straight to the college!

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote: »

My own solution is expensive but probably the only long term one - a compound of flats behind high barbwire fences with searchlight towers and when they leave it's in buses straight to the college!

hahaha, excellent