Islam Forum: Changes to the forum charter should be discussed here.

Brown Bomber

bluewolf wrote: »

The a&a forum has nothing to do with the islam forum, people post differently across different fora. Comments ok in a&a might not be ok in Christianity, and they change behaviour accordingly

Well isn't that the point the Hobbes is making?

Roughly what percentage of the above comments are acceptable to you? Do you think it acceptable under any circumstance to say that "UK Muslims are far more likely to rape than non-Muslims"?

And I do think that the a&a forum has a lot to do with the Islam forum in this case as it largely the a&a regulars who are shouting loudest to have the Islam forum revamped here. This is not coincidental IMO. Militant atheism is Islamaphobic IMO. The poster who made the majority of the ignorant comments above actually named himself after a IMO staunchly Islamaphobic and prominent militant atheist Sam Harris who's positions are ultimately indistinguisable from the EDL's. There are obvious links here. How many have made a song and dance about the paranormal charter (in the interests of freedom of speech of course)

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It seems the only possible benefit to opening up the Islam forum to anti-Islam posters is that you get to humiliate Muslims.

I must finally add that on reading of your posts in the Islam - religion of peace thread that I certainly wouldn't put you in the any of the above categories. You were altogether respectful along with Wibbs and a couple of others. I think it is important to point that out.

Overheal

It seems the only possible benefit to opening up the Islam forum to anti-Islam posters is that you get to humiliate Muslims.

How do you reckon?

coffee_cake

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well isn't that the point the Hobbes is making?

No, hobbes is "i only want pro-islam posts and nothing even remotely critical is allowed". We are pointing to other religious fora as an example for how rules might still be strict (same charter) but more discussion can be had.
A&A is going to be attacking all religions; it's separate.

And I do think that the a&a forum has a lot to do with the Islam forum in this case as it largely the a&a regulars who are shouting loudest to have the Islam forum revamped here. This is not coincidental IMO.

I'm an a&a regular and I also have a postive history in the islam forum; I still feel it's too strict

Brown Bomber

Overheal wrote: »

How do you reckon?

Let's say I want to start a thread on "Muhammed was a paedophile". For simplicity I have two options 1 - A&A and 2- Islam.

This notion is an incredible insult to all Muslims which would deeply offend them. Where is the loss for the thread starter to post their hatred in A&A with a link and description in the new sticky in Islam with an INVITATION to the boards community from the Islam forum to partake should they so desire?

This way you are avoiding causing any unneccessary insult and hurt to an already persecuted minority. I can't believe some people can't be happy with that.

Seems to me that what's desired is not just to rub their nose in it but to kick down their front door **** on their porch and then rub their nose in it.

Overheal

Islam is not a minority: it's the second largest religion in the world second only to Christianity, making up a little short of 1/4 of the global population, and one of the fastest growing religions.

Secondly, your hyperbolic example would have to be a really substantial OP to last 10 minutes in any particular forum. The thread title you chose seems like a troll. No thread randomly claiming Mohammad was a pedophile is going to stand very long without actually having some kind of point or argument behind it.

Third there is plenty of advantage to allowing everyone to join the Islam forum whether you acknowledge it or not. This is an Internet Discussion Board, not a Mosque. Muslims imo can be offended at content all they like but they are also just as well welcome to display or even defend their beliefs. I don't hold any beliefs that I believe are above reproach or criticism: anybody who does, needs to have their head examined; Because if your views can't stand up to some light prodding and inquiry, then maybe you need to re-evaluate your belief in the first place.

Brown Bomber

bluewolf wrote: »

No, hobbes is "i only want pro-islam posts and nothing even remotely critical is allowed". We are pointing to other religious fora as an example for how rules might still be strict (same charter) but more discussion can be had.
A&A is going to be attacking all religions; it's separate.

I agree it is strict but that is solely for the protection of it's community which would become non-existent if the same rules applied and Muslims on the forum were browbeaten into submission by aggressive atheists a regurgitating the latest Islamophobic article from Sam Harris and blow-in Daily Star casual racists spouting Eurabia nonsense.

Can you see the forum surviving an A&A invasion? I can't. Without strong moderation and any Muslim counter-balance you might as well have rename the Islam forum the I hate Islam forum or EDL enthusiasts forum.

I would point out that while A&A claims to attack all religions it doesn't have to in every thread so in that sense it isn't seperate.

bluewolf wrote: »

I'm an a&a regular and I also have a postive history in the islam forum; I still feel it's too strict

I'm sure you have a positive history in all forums as you seem to be a polite and respectful person who gives reasoned responses. I think you are partially at least a victim in this, but not of moderation or charters but of turds in the punchbowl.

Permabear

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Brown Bomber

Overheal wrote: »

Islam is not a minority: it's the second largest religion in the world second only to Christianity, making up a little short of 1/4 of the global population, and one of the fastest growing religions.

Secondly, your hyperbolic example would have to be a really substantial OP to last 10 minutes in any particular forum. The thread title you chose seems like a troll. No thread randomly claiming Mohammad was a pedophile is going to stand very long without actually having some kind of point or argument behind it.

Third there is plenty of advantage to allowing everyone to join the Islam forum whether you acknowledge it or not. This is an Internet Discussion Board, not a Mosque. Muslims imo can be offended at content all they like but they are also just as well welcome to display or even defend their beliefs. I don't hold any beliefs that I believe are above reproach or criticism: anybody who does, needs to have their head examined; Because if your views can't stand up to some light prodding and inquiry, then maybe you need to re-evaluate your belief in the first place.

It is a minority in Ireland and boards.ie.

"UK Muslims are more likely to rape than non-Muslims" is light prodding to you? I take it you are not a UK Muslim so? That said I do agree with your overall points but I don't see how changing the rules of the Islam forum is going to effect anyone positively as they can make the exact same points elsewhere on boards but I can see it effecting boards Muslim members negatively which i see as completely unneccessary.

You say it is not a Mosque but similarly the Paranormal forum is not a haunted house. Believers in ghosts and UFO's are given equal protection to followers of Islam currently yet people only seem interested in breaking down the walls of the Islam forum. That tells it's own story.

Brown Bomber

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

Would you like to see it moderated in a similar fashion to the A&A forum? And if so, why not just post in A&A?

Overheal

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You say it is not a Mosque but similarly the Paranormal forum is not a haunted house. Believers in ghosts and UFO's are given equal protection to followers of Islam currently yet people only seem interested in breaking down the walls of the Islam forum. That tells it's own story.

There's a joke about Jericho in there, somewhere.

Either way I tried and failed to find the post you are referring to. In any case I imagine the post in question was summarily debunked, to much fanfare.

Brown Bomber

Overheal wrote: »

There's a joke about Jericho in there, somewhere.

Either way I tried and failed to find the post you are referring to. In any case I imagine the post in question was summarily debunked, to much fanfare.

This was the post in full:

It certainly is not a religion of peace. Some of it's adhearance are peaceful, not the same thing by a long shot. Secular humanists have noticed for decades how much more conducive to violence Islam is than other major religions.

People argument that all religion can be used for whatever aims a speaker wishes is partly true, however it is by no means as easy to get a Buddisht to blow himself up in a bus as a Muslim.

The statistics speak for themselves in this regard. Even taking into account culture and soci-economic background, a UK Muslim is far more likely to rape than a non Muslim. This is a direct result of its misogonistic, anti-woman tenor.

The continued defence of the religion, based purely on the fact people think it came from the creator of the universe is dangerous and self evidently stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xj3R6GH3AY Another debate with the same idea behind it.

Perhaps the most annoying aspect of the problems within Islam is Muslims complete lack of will to confront them - a majority of Muslims polled in every country did not believe 9/11 was carried out by Muslims. There is a constant victim mentality, that reinforces and encourages the continuing cycle of violence throughout Muslim lands, that occasionally leaks into the West, annoyingly.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73966996&postcount=190

It was debunked, by me. Nobody else in the the whole of the A&A even challenged him on it sadly. There was no fanfare. And like I said earlier this kind of anti-islamic propoganda leads to hate crimes against Muslims.

Overheal

Did you report the post...?

Brown Bomber

Overheal wrote: »

Did you report the post...?

For what? Ignorance? Despite me finding his opinions repugnant he's entitled to his own opinion; he is not however entitled to his own facts. This post is indistinguisable from the misconceptions of the far-right. Why should Muslims who are minding their own business be exposed to this?

I get that the issue is free speech but surely people should equally also have to freedom to close their ears? This would not be possible if you had a militant atheist plus Anders Breivik type far right Islam hater takeover of the Islam forum.

You'll force the existing Muslim members into a fight or flight situation needlessly. As I've said previously there is no denying the Islamaphobia is socially acceptable yet inherently wrong. Boards.ie has the choice/dilemma to take the fashionable route or the morally correct route.

unkel

Hobbes wrote: »

homosexuality, which many Muslims are going to disagree with

They disagree with homosexuality (between consenting adults) and yet they praise their prophet Mohammed who raped a 9 year old girl over and over again? That's sick.

Overheal

Brown Bomber wrote: »

For what? Ignorance? Despite me finding his opinions repugnant he's entitled to his own opinion; he is not however entitled to his own facts.

So you didn't report it, or think it was actionable, but are now complaining that it was offensive and not acted upon?

This post is indistinguisable from the misconceptions of the far-right. Why should Muslims who are minding their own business be exposed to this?

I get that the issue is free speech but surely people should equally also have to freedom to close their ears? This would not be possible if you had a militant atheist plus Anders Breivik type far right Islam hater takeover of the Islam forum.

You'll force the existing Muslim members into a fight or flight situation needlessly. As I've said previously there is no denying the Islamaphobia is socially acceptable yet inherently wrong. Boards.ie has the choice/dilemma to take the fashionable route or the morally correct route.

I have the /ignore feature in vBulletin to hide the posts of people that really annoy me. Naturally I spend about half my time reading whatever they have to say but I find it's still a very effective filter in preparing me to read something that I will find disagreeable on some level or another.

Amber Lamps

Brown Bomber wrote: »

For what? Ignorance? Despite me finding his opinions repugnant he's entitled to his own opinion; he is not however entitled to his own facts. This post is indistinguisable from the misconceptions of the far-right.

Like you have said the guy is entitled to his own opinion. But if he was being abusive then you are well within your rights to report him. But it is a public discussion forum after all and tbh if I had a faith in my life that was really resonating within me I would be happy to share or defend it with those who I encounter in a forum for my faith, be they friend or foe. Set them straight on the facts.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Why should Muslims who are minding their own business be exposed to this?
I get that the issue is free speech but surely people should equally also have to freedom to close their ears? This would not be possible if you had a militant atheist plus Anders Breivik type far right Islam hater takeover of the Islam forum.

If you are talking about people wanting to close their ears to others opinions on their faith, well then I think a private subscription forum or the likes would be the way forward for that.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You'll force the existing Muslim members into a fight or flight situation needlessly. As I've said previously there is no denying the Islamaphobia is socially acceptable yet inherently wrong. Boards.ie has the choice/dilemma to take the fashionable route or the morally correct route.

Is the morally correct route to exclude someone like Bluewolf, who by your own observation seems to be a polite and respectful person who gives reasoned responses. Why make him/her a victim in this because of the few trouble makers? Boards.ie is a great resource in this country. It should continue to be an open and transparent place for people to share opinions.

If there is true love and faith there then no amount of keyboard warriors will take that from you. Fight the good fight and all that. If it is peace you are looking for, well you will find that in quiet prayer with your god of choice, not on the internet.

Brown Bomber

Overheal wrote: »

So you didn't report it, or think it was actionable, but are now complaining that it was offensive and not acted upon?

Well no, not exactly. I didn't find it offensive personally as I'm not a Muslim and I'm not complaining that it wasn't acted on. I don't want people to PC for PC's sake and besides anti-religious vitriol is par for the course in A&A as far as I can tell. My only other foray into that forum involved a "joke" made by an A&A regular with the punch line being that Palestinian people were sub-human. I think they described Palestinian people as Palestinian "people". Hilarious stuff.

Point being Muslims would certainly find that post offensive. Especially UK Muslims if the thread was in Islam BUT if it was linked to in the sticky they would know what to expect and could visit or not visit. I don't know what the problem is.

Overheal wrote: »

I have the /ignore feature in vBulletin to hide the posts of people that really annoy me. Naturally I spend about half my time reading whatever they have to say but I find it's still a very effective filter in preparing me to read something that I will find disagreeable on some level or another.

Thanks for the tip! You've just made the list :P

Brown Bomber

Amber Lamps wrote: »

Like you have said the guy is entitled to his own opinion. But if he was being abusive then you are well within your rights to report him. But it is a public discussion forum after all and tbh if I had a faith in my life that was really resonating within me I would be happy to share or defend it with those who I encounter in a forum for my faith, be they friend or foe. Set them straight on the facts.

Eh, are you implying I'm a Muslim? If so you are now number 4 (including Doctor Doom who has posted on this thread) to falsely assume that. Don't let the brown in my name fool you.

Amber Lamps wrote: »

If you are talking about people wanting to close their ears to others opinions on their faith, well then I think a private subscription forum or the likes would be the way forward for that.

Well no. The point I was trying to make is that the people of the Islam forum should have the right to not have to put up with abuse. There must be only a handful of posters on that forum but they currently use it for positive reasons. On the other hand you seem to have legions just chomping at the bit ready to attack. The positivity will soon be drowned out by the negativity and the attacks and the whole forum will be redundant. It will be A&A mk2.

What's the point?

Amber Lamps wrote: »

Is the morally correct route to exclude someone like Bluewolf, who by your own observation seems to be a polite and respectful person who gives reasoned responses. Why make him/her a victim in this because of the few trouble makers? Boards.ie is a great resource in this country. It should continue to be an open and transparent place for people to share opinions.

It's not ideal but let's face it nobody is excluded. I think it could be referred to as collateral damage, if your unsure of the meaning ask a Muslim they know all about it . If someone want's to be anti-Islamic they are free start threads in A&A and post a link to that thread as an invitation for Muslims to engage. It is not about exclusion, it is about protection.

Amber Lamps wrote: »

If there is true love and faith there then no amount of keyboard warriors will take that from you. Fight the good fight and all that. If it is peace you are looking for, well you will find that in quiet prayer with your god of choice, not on the internet.

Thanks for the positive message

Bottom line is what people need to understand is that Islamaphobia is real and feeds and grows off outlets like this. Most of the people who want to learn about Islam have no interest in learning about Islam. For example, I lost count of the misconceptions I corrected in that "Islam is a religion of peace thread" but this is the kicker, when you point out that they are wrong and show them how it's just water off a ducks back, it changes nothing. No good will come from encounters between people who pretend they are not Islamaphobic and Muslims. Well pretend not is a little unfair, better aren't aware themselves.

Also, I'd point out that not one single A&A regular pulled Sam Harris on any of the Islamaphobic statements he made. Not once! This is the root of the problem. It is already a case of "us" and "them". I suppose that's why so many people assumed I was a Muslim through their own bias despite not giving any indication that I was. I genuinely have no loyalty to Islam but abhor all bigotry.

K-9

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well no, not exactly. I didn't find it offensive personally as I'm not a Muslim and I'm not complaining that it wasn't acted on. I don't want people to PC for PC's sake and besides anti-religious vitriol is par for the course in A&A as far as I can tell. My only other foray into that forum involved a "joke" made by an A&A regular with the punch line being that Palestinian people were sub-human. I think they described Palestinian people as Palestinian "people". Hilarious stuff.

Point being Muslims would certainly find that post offensive. Especially UK Muslims if the thread was in Islam BUT if it was linked to in the sticky they would know what to expect and could visit or not visit. I don't know what the problem is.

I don't know why somebody would give a post like that the time of day tbh. The post is nonsensical and a waste of time pointing it out.

Hobbes

unkel wrote: »

They disagree with homosexuality (between consenting adults) and yet they praise their prophet Mohammed who raped a 9 year old girl over and over again? That's sick.

Thanks for giving another example for the "other discussions" thread and what would get you banned from the forum. (and we get such comments from time to time)

As I mentioned earlier Aisha has been discussed in depth in the forum and your comment is not only ill informed but highly offensive.

Hobbes

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

I don't see anything in the new charter that says we plan to do that?

Wibbs

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It was debunked, by me.

It was debunked maybe to your satisfaction BB, certainly not debunked overall. You simply can't compare a religious founder like Buddha to a religious founder who had a thousand men executed and their wives and children sold into slavery on his order. That's why there was no fanfare against many of his points in A&A. Plus while Islamaphobia certainly exists, every critique of the religion is not Islamaphobia. This defensive reaction is nearly as big an issue as Islamaphobia and indeed feeds it.

unkel wrote: »

They disagree with homosexuality (between consenting adults) and yet they praise their prophet Mohammed who raped a 9 year old girl over and over again? That's sick.

The mainstream may disagree with homosexuality, like the mainstream of christianity. It's not that long ago that homosexuality was illegal in Ireland. There are some Muslims that are going against the mainstream though. As for "rape", no, not by the standards of his time. It was a consensual marriage again by the standards of the time. He was not a paedophile. Again it's not that long ago when "childbrides" were OK in Europe and the US.

I however do agree with BB on this point; the Islam forum should not be A&A part deux and I fear it would go down that route if it was to become more permissive to jump in with both feet. You would see more "Mohammed was a paedo" type threads ad nauseum. Personal faith tends to be seen as "a bit daft", if not worthy of derision by the mainstream of Boards.ie. There are a lot of anti faith feeling and posts on this site. If Boards.ie was a person, it would be about 25, male and atheist. That's fine if that's what the community wants as a whole, but where do religious folks go just to chat among themselves? Not dissimilar to one of the reasons the Ladies Lounge was set up. The demographic of Boards.ie is very male(though that's changing) and the forum was set up for the minority in that demographic to have their own community. Somewhere where if they so wanted they could talk without the same whataboutery of elsewhere(with varying success).

So IMHO as long as they abide by the rules and law of the land leave the religious forums and their members be. If you don't like what they say and it seems actionable then report the post, and if you just don't agree with them then don't read it. There are plenty of other forums where you can have the debate.

unkel

Wibbs wrote: »

as long as they abide by the rules and law of the land leave the religious forums and their members be.

Indeed. This is boards.ie in Ireland, not Yemen. So no raping of 9 year old girls or beating your wife. And yes, homosexuality is legal. If they don't like it, I suggest they feck off back to their cave.

Mark Hamill

Hobbes wrote: »

Again the charter. The bit after "Muslims are particularly offended by..."

That only describes "particular" offense. Are you only going to moderate against those "particularly" offensive targets? And who decides what constitutes an "insulting remark" about Allah or Muhammad? People get particularly offended at the truth all the time, and they choose to interpret facts and evidence as insults if they cant debunk them. As I said, the mods still get to decide what is in fact offensive and what is an insult, as they have always done and as they (most of them) have always abused.

Hobbes wrote: »

No, pushing an anti-Islam agenda is very different to posting for clarification on information you found which is critical or anti-Islam.

Then why do you have such a hard time telling the difference? Look, its very simple, if you and irishconvert could tell the difference, this thread wouldn't exist, the charter wouldn't have needed updating and there would be no issue. But, as my Dispute Resolution thread shows, you and he have a fairly big problem with people disputing islamic dogma. Its never long before the disputer is declared as having an atheistic or anti-islam agenda.

Hobbes wrote: »

We aren't moving anything to other forums.

So what happens if someone posts a thread in Islam that you think is controversial? Close it and tell them its off topic to discuss Islam in the Islam forum? Well, thats a big change.

Mark Hamill

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This is a list of comments (I'd gathered for a dispute resolution thread) that went unpunished in the atheist & agnostic forum. This is from just half a single thread.


This is the kind of ignorant drivel you can expect if you give Islamaphobes the license to be Islamaphobic.

It might be nice for you to give links to the sources of these quotes, just so we can check that you pro-islam agenda isn't causing you to misrepresent others. For instance, the quote: "The vast majority of those deaths were Muslim on Muslim violence. As is the case in Afghanistan, Paksitan and any massacres one cares to mention in the Middle East carried out in the last few decades" was in response to you saying that more muslims died since 9/11 than non muslims died in 9/11. The quotes about rape are probably in reference to several countries' police forces reporting that muslims make up a propotionally higher percentage of rapists than non muslims (tbh though, I only remember scandanavian countries being referenced and supported with sources, not the UK, so that quote, assuming its accurate, could be an exaggeration). The quote on Zeba Khan is an opinion and on Islam being a justification for violence is true (it is used a justification, but its shouldn't be hard to argue that these people are simply violent and using whatever they can find as a justification)

All you have done is quoted a majority of facts that are true, but uncomfortable for muslims to accept. Its bizarre that you think that these are something that muslims should be protected against, most, if not all where backed with evidence. Why should muslims be protected from evidence?

Mark Hamill

unkel wrote: »

They disagree with homosexuality (between consenting adults) and yet they praise their prophet Mohammed who raped a 9 year old girl over and over again? That's sick.

TBH, the virgin Mary was 13 or 14 when she would have had Jesus (if that). Besides the dispute on Aishas age, old(er) men with adolescent girls was not uncommon 1000 years ago, and not unheard of even 100 years ago.

Mark Hamill

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This was the post in full:

It was debunked, by me. Nobody else in the the whole of the A&A even challenged him on it sadly. There was no fanfare. And like I said earlier this kind of anti-islamic propoganda leads to hate crimes against Muslims.

You didn't debunk him, you just disputed him (the difference is in giving sufficient evidence to support your claim). And the reason no one else took him up was that they where to busy giving evidence for his assertions eg here, and here, and here etc etc. You may not like what SamHarris said in his post, but it was all backed up with links to reports.

Mark Hamill

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well no, not exactly. I didn't find it offensive personally as I'm not a Muslim and I'm not complaining that it wasn't acted on. I don't want people to PC for PC's sake and besides anti-religious vitriol is par for the course in A&A as far as I can tell. My only other foray into that forum involved a "joke" made by an A&A regular with the punch line being that Palestinian people were sub-human. I think they described Palestinian people as Palestinian "people". Hilarious stuff.

Might you link to it, because at this stage, it looks like everything you have quoted has been taken out context and/or misrepresented.

Mark Hamill

Wibbs wrote: »

I however do agree with BB on this point; the Islam forum should not be A&A part deux and I fear it would go down that route if it was to become more permissive to jump in with both feet. You would see more "Mohammed was a paedo" type threads ad nauseum. Personal faith tends to be seen as "a bit daft", if not worthy of derision by the mainstream of Boards.ie. There are a lot of anti faith feeling and posts on this site. If Boards.ie was a person, it would be about 25, male and atheist. That's fine if that's what the community wants as a whole, but where do religious folks go just to chat among themselves?

Church or a mosque. Boards.ie is an internet discussion forum, why do people keep asserting that some part of it should be "for" certain groups of people (as opposed to certain topics of discussion). The LGBT forum is not seen as place for only LGB or Ts to congregate, its a place for those topics to be discussed, by anyone, in an honest manner. Why is it that the A&A forum can house anti A&A threads without calling on the OPs to go back to the Christianity or Islam forums to house their off topic, "anti A&A agenda" threads (and similarly for the Christianity forum)?

Hobbes

Mark Hamill wrote: »

So what happens if someone posts a thread in Islam that you think is controversial?

It is left there to discuss. As pointed out earlier, the "Other Discussions" is for people who want to push an Anti-Islam message, vs just discussing issues that they actually want an answer to.

As long what you posted falls within the current rules it is fine.

Unkels previous posts in this thread give good examples of what would get you banned from the forum, as they are not a question but being intentionally offensive, and that is defined in the new charter.

Of course there is nothing to stop Unkel from going off on a tirade on another forum and linking it in the other discussions (assuming another forum didn't ban him for the comments).

Also, Unkel also gives a good example of Anti-Islam type posters we had to deal with before. Even after Wibbs responds in a polite manner, he just repeats the same thing again.