Norris in trouble again?

woodoo

IrishTonyO wrote: »

According to Sunday Times he wrote a further 6 letters to people including Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, the Israeli president, the Israeli ambassador to Ireland, seeking clemency for Nawi.
BUT HE WILL NOT BE RELEASING THESE LETTERS as he says they are much the same as the previous ones
Another one was sent to an advisor of Mary Robinson (president at the time) seeking support for the case as well.
The safest letters were released, the others are meant to contain more controversial views according to ex campaign team member.

Was this discovered or is this Norris giving up the info to the Irish Times in order to come clean?

IrishTonyO

woodoo wrote: »

Was this discovered or is this Norris giving up the info to the Irish Times in order to come clean?

It's the Sunday Times. It doesn't say, but from the way it is written it doesn't sound like a coming clean, sounds like he was confronted as all of it was done through a spokesperson for him. Plus he would release the letters if he wanted to come clean

billybudd

I wont be voting for him, he used Irish official stationary to interfere in something that was off no benefit to Ireland or its citizens, he failed on a professional and moral level, present and pass corrupt politicians have no place in our future.

woodoo

To be honest if this had to be dragged out of him then his judgement is poor.

Slang_Tang

darkman2 wrote: »

His candidacy is a sore point in the British press that's for sure. Not going down well at all over there. Article in tomorrows Observer


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/25/martin-mcguinness-presidency-ireland-ira?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

I'm certainly not going to vote for McGuinness but that article is embarrassing.

Pompey Magnus

I think it may be worth firing off an email to Senator Zappone to see how she intends to react to this, her nomination of Norris was based on his assurances to her that there would be no more revelations, he has been shown to have misled her so now the attention shifts back to her.

KeithM89_old

Some posts deleted.
Whatever some of you are doing in PM shouldnt be shared here for many reasons...

Spread

Norris in trouble again? Jesus, when is he ever out of it! With a neck like a jockey's wotsit, deluded and not fully transparent .......... we await the paranoia of not getting the Aras. Plots, mud slinging, homophobia and the fear that once the genie is out of the bottle ............ you cannot get it back in. This standing joke takes his ridiculous bid for a good paying job very seriously, not realising that those who feel sorry for a lame duck would not necessarily sleep with same. He's a busted flush .......... even before any new stuff hits the fan. Why did he not thank his last tranche of volunteers when he withdrew, instead of swanning of to the Eastern Med. A me feiner if ever there was on.

Hank_Jones

Whatever about new "revelations", if Norris doesn't get on the ballot paper it'll be some injustice to the people.

With the numbers he has been getting in the polls, it seems insane that he isn't even officially in the race.

Red C poll for tomorrow has him at 21%, 3% ahead of Higgins.

http://www.thejournal.ie/norris-stays-out-in-front-in-latest-red-c-poll-235963-Sep2011/

Spread

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025339/David-Norris-told-conference-As-child-great-desire-molested.html

Then why does he not sue the Daily Mail? They, unlike him, have not pulled their punches. The above makes difficult reading for a Presidential candidate.

CoolHat

Spread wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025339/David-Norris-told-conference-As-child-great-desire-molested.html

Then why does he not sue the Daily Mail? They, unlike him, have not pulled their punches. The above makes difficult reading for a Presidential candidate.

"....Senator David Norris claimed in public that his greatest childhood desire was to be sexually molested, according to minutes of a gay rights meeting he addressed in the Seventies...."

Jesus!
This is why i hate polictics. The dirtiest player whos get the most info on the other wins.

seanybiker

hondasam wrote: »

Can it get any worse for him?

could have been a member of the IRA maybe?

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Another gem from this arrogant and perverted motormouth:

How senator called criticism of sex tourist poet a ‘witch hunt’


Senator David Norris publicly supported poet Cathal Ó Searcaigh after he was shown on the RTÉ film Fairytale Of Kathmandu to be using charity funds to support sex tourism in Nepal.

Rather than condemn his behaviour, he compared the pederast poet to Oscar Wilde and suggested he was the victim of a media ‘witch-hunt’.

Mr Norris wrote to the Irish Times: ‘I know Mr Ó Searcaigh slightly… I have always found him to be open, honourable and generous… He may also be quite literally an innocent abroad when it comes to the making of biopics.’

He said Ó Searcaigh, ‘who has clearly been the generous benefactor of quite a number of young men in Nepal, may also have had sexual relations with some of these youths, although it is not claimed that any of them were under the Nepali age of consent’. He did not question whether any were under the Irish age of consent.

Mr Norris said coverage of the controversy on RTÉ’s Liveline ‘showed signs of a witch-hunt’. He didn’t advocate a criminal inquiry but merely said: ‘There may indeed be some questions to be clarified.’

He referred to the fact that ‘some, apparently, are determined to push this into the criminal arena’, but claimed the waters had been muddied thanks to an ‘extensive trial by media’ and ‘the selective introduction into the public consciousness of materials that appear to be damaging’.

Last week, however, he stood by his support. A spokesman said he was a ‘strong believer in natural justice’, adding: ‘He feels that the trial by media that took place around this issue would have frustrated any criminal proceedings.

Pherekydes

Red Right Hand wrote: »

President Nonce or President McMurder. It's your choice citizens.

Won't there be seven candidates?

Pherekydes

padd b1975 wrote: »

Your use of the word "they" makes me think you are not registered to vote in Irish General Elections.
Am I right?

Maybe some of us got through our voting careers thus far without ever voting FF/Haughey/Ahern.

Pherekydes

realies wrote: »

Anything good for Ireland never goes down well with them :)

The Queen's visit?

Red Right Hand

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

I think it may be worth firing off an email to Senator Zappone to see how she intends to react to this, her nomination of Norris was based on his assurances to her that there would be no more revelations, he has been shown to have misled her so now the attention shifts back to her.

gay men and lesbians will stick together.... :rolleyes:

Red Right Hand

Pherekydes wrote: »

Won't there be seven candidates?

we're only interested in the ones with something wrong with them, the moral degenerates, more fitting to lead our broken country

4leto

I don't understand why people are still supporting him, I don't understand why he himself still has the arrogance to still run for the presidency.

Because of the revelation of even "the letter" never mind the rest of them he sent he should be hounded out of the senate. He would be in any other country.

But it's us the Irish electorate, we are easily the stupidest dumbest electorate in the western world. We seem to reward incompetence, bad judgement and corruption by voting more for the candidates involved, in other countries they go to jail or are asked to resign, here they top the polls.

Pompey Magnus

Red Right Hand wrote: »

gay men and lesbians will stick together.... :rolleyes:

I would hope that Senator Zappone is more honest than that. She should be now asked whether David Norris informed her of the existence of these letters prior to her agreeing to nominate him and if so was she being honest to the public in claiming that she actually needed the assurances from him or was it just a publicity stunt.

Her email address is katherine.zappone@oireachtas.ie for anyone else interested.

Seanchai

4leto wrote: »

But it's us the Irish electorate, we are easily the stupidest dumbest electorate in the western world. We seem to reward incompetence, bad judgement and corruption by voting more for the candidates involved, in other countries they go to jail or are asked to resign, here they top the polls.

In fairness to the Irish electorate, the Italian electorate has that title by a country mile.

Seanchai

In that Sunday Times article they claim to have spoken with members of the Norris presidential campaign about why they resigned last summer. The answer was that the letter which Norris published was the mildest of the letters and that they resigned because of Norris's views on things like underage sex - the things which were covered in the Helen Lucy Burke article in Magill.

It seems like there's more than a story there if anybody wants to take down Norris.

dvpower

Red Right Hand wrote: »

President Nonce or President McMurder. It's your choice citizens.

Except there is zero evidence whatsoever that DN is a 'nonce'.

Show Time

Seanchai wrote: »

In that Sunday Times article they claim to have spoken with members of the Norris presidential campaign about why they resigned last summer. The answer was that the letter which Norris published was the mildest of the letters and that they resigned because of Norris's views on things like underage sex - the things which were covered in the Helen Lucy Burke article in Magill.

It seems like there's more than a story there if anybody wants to take down Norris.

The Magill Interview should have set the alarm bells ringing country wide that this bloke is far from suited for top office.

aligator_am

I hope he wins, so what if he's a pinch of snuff, he seems like a good man and no worse than the rest of the inmates. Good on him, hope he wins

Lord TSC

4leto wrote: »

I don't understand why people are still supporting him, I don't understand why he himself still has the arrogance to still run for the presidency.

Because of the revelation of even "the letter" never mind the rest of them he sent he should be hounded out of the senate. He would be in any other country.

But it's us the Irish electorate, we are easily the stupidest dumbest electorate in the western world. We seem to reward incompetence, bad judgement and corruption by voting more for the candidates involved, in other countries they go to jail or are asked to resign, here they top the polls.

Personally, here's how I see it.

We don't get to choose the candidates. If we did, I think the field would be different.

What we get is to choose from the candidates, and in the process, it strikes me there are many who are being asked to vote for the lesser of evils. We have a gay man who has done a tonne of damage to gay rights, we have a ("suspected") terrorist with extreme links to the IRA, we have a religious nut, and so on and so forth. At least for me personally, my support of Norris is not condoning what he has done. It's because I believe he is the lesser of the evils being presented to us as a choice in this election.

Duke Leonal Felmet

Show Time wrote: »

Seanchai wrote: »

In that Sunday Times article they claim to have spoken with members of the Norris presidential campaign about why they resigned last summer. The answer was that the letter which Norris published was the mildest of the letters and that they resigned because of Norris's views on things like underage sex - the things which were covered in the Helen Lucy Burke article in Magill.

It seems like there's more than a story there if anybody wants to take down Norris.

The Magill Interview should have set the alarm bells ringing country wide that this bloke is far from suited for top office.

The letters, yes. But not that interview. His biggest mistake there was assuming that the Irish populace would treat it as an academic discussion, when he should have realised that the majority of Irish people would treat it as literal, being the simpletons they are.

billybudd

Red Right Hand wrote: »

President Nonce or President McMurder. It's your choice citizens.

Have you evidence he committed murder?

I have been very impressed with sinn fein as a legal political party over the past eight years or so. at least they ask a lot of questions that no one else seems bothered to ask or brave enough to ask.

Duke Leonal Felmet

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

4leto wrote: »

I don't understand why people are still supporting him, I don't understand why he himself still has the arrogance to still run for the presidency.

Because of the revelation of even "the letter" never mind the rest of them he sent he should be hounded out of the senate. He would be in any other country.

But it's us the Irish electorate, we are easily the stupidest dumbest electorate in the western world. We seem to reward incompetence, bad judgement and corruption by voting more for the candidates involved, in other countries they go to jail or are asked to resign, here they top the polls.

Personally, here's how I see it.

We don't get to choose the candidates. If we did, I think the field would be different.

What we get is to choose from the candidates, and in the process, it strikes me there are many who are being asked to vote for the lesser of evils. We have a gay man who has done a tonne of damage to gay rights, we have a ("suspected") terrorist with extreme links to the IRA, we have a religious nut, and so on and so forth. At least for me personally, my support of Norris is not condoning what he has done. It's because I believe he is the lesser of the evils being presented to us as a choice in this election.

Alas, I agree. I must vote Norris and Higgins and hope that keeps the terrorist out.

Duke Leonal Felmet

billybudd wrote: »

Red Right Hand wrote: »

President Nonce or President McMurder. It's your choice citizens.

Have you evidence he committed murder?

I have been very impressed with sinn fein as a legal political party over the past eight years or so. at least they ask a lot of questions that no one else seems bothered to ask or brave enough to ask.

Thats because they a populists. Its the only way they can attract votes from the non-violence electorate.

billybudd

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

Thats because they a populists. Its the only way they can attract votes from the non-violence electorate.

HAHA

The Irony!!!!

billybudd

Violence works in many ways,

Buy a can of popular soft drink, tax from this product goes into system of super power nation, super power nation makes armory that kill thousands of innocent people per year, but again thats just a populist theory.

4leto

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Personally, here's how I see it.

We don't get to choose the candidates. If we did, I think the field would be different.

What we get is to choose from the candidates, and in the process, it strikes me there are many who are being asked to vote for the lesser of evils. We have a gay man who has done a tonne of damage to gay rights, we have a ("suspected") terrorist with extreme links to the IRA, we have a religious nut, and so on and so forth. At least for me personally, my support of Norris is not condoning what he has done. It's because I believe he is the lesser of the evils being presented to us as a choice in this election.

He had done great work for gay rights in the past

But he has done enormous damage to gay rights recently, with his incredibly incendiary remarks on underage sex and then writing an official senate headed letter in our name to defend a sex offender. Jesus, how much more damage could he do.

That stupid uninformed homophobic association that some people see with paedo and gay he has put that right back up there.

So there is no way on Earth I am voting for him. I just want him to quietly slip away from Irish public life. I would rather vote Fkucen Dana.

Freddie59

FurryFace wrote: »

Personally I like Norris....don't know why.....he's strangely interesting like a naughty uncle.

:eek:

Freddie59

Biggins wrote: »

Again - just for clarity - and NOT having a go at anyone here. The word 'Paedophillia' is used often far too wrong in use:

Paedophillia: adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children.

Norris's once partner was NOT committing paedophillia actions - however distasteful and wrong his actions were with an OLDER teen.

But this is the core issue for many people. The splitting of hairs regarding age. 15? 16? 13? It is viewed - and rightly in my opinion - as predatory behaviour. Whether same sex or heterosexual. You can dance around it all you like - but that's the bottom line.

billybudd

Freddie59 wrote: »

But this is the core issue for many people. The splitting of hairs regarding age. 15? 16? 13? It is viewed - and rightly in my opinion - as predatory behaviour. Whether same sex or heterosexual. You can dance around it all you like - but that's the bottom line.

Isnt the core issue the miss use of his political powers?

Spread

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

The letters, yes. But not that interview. His biggest mistake there was assuming that the Irish populace would treat it as an academic discussion, when he should have realised that the majority of Irish people would treat it as literal, being the simpletons they are.

You, of course, are in the majority?

Show Time

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

The letters, yes. But not that interview. His biggest mistake there was assuming that the Irish populace would treat it as an academic discussion, when he should have realised that the majority of Irish people would treat it as literal, being the simpletons they are.

No dice funboy.


Anybody with half a brain can see he is unsuitable for high office.
The letters in support of his lover should have open a lot more eyes.

dvpower

billybudd wrote: »

Have you evidence he committed murder?.

He was an IRA leader at a time when the IRA carried out many murders. I wouldn't say there is a person on the island who doesn't believe he was involved in murders.
Whether he carried out any personally is another matter.

Red Right Hand

dvpower wrote: »

Except there is zero evidence whatsoever that DN is a 'nonce'.

He has never shown any willingness to accept that they're sick perverts who should be locked up, on the contrary, all evidence is that he wants people to believe they're just people who 'love children' in a way that society unjustly suppresses. I know what that makes him in my mind.

Red Right Hand

billybudd wrote: »

Have you evidence he committed murder?

I have been very impressed with sinn fein as a legal political party over the past eight years or so. at least they ask a lot of questions that no one else seems bothered to ask or brave enough to ask.

If I did do you think I would still be alive? :rolleyes:

Phill Ewinn

S. Ross has given Norris his nomination. Kiss goodbye to and future support from me. Our international reputation is poor enough without that joker meeting and greeting in the name of my country. What a prat.

texidub

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

The letters, yes. But not that interview. His biggest mistake there was assuming that the Irish populace would treat it as an academic discussion, when he should have realised that the majority of Irish people would treat it as literal, being the simpletons they are.

Simpletons are they? That's a bit harsh don't you think?

I find it a little strange that you would say such a thing, since you seem to lack the mental finesse to understand that Norris took his interest in this topic WAY beyond mere academic discussion on two occasions:

1) when he supported his ex-boyfriend and

2) when he supported the Donegal poet.

There is nothing academic about getting involved in cases like these in his capacity as a Senator in the Irish Republic. And the majority of Irish people are not simpletons for expressing concern.

Honestly, you'd swear that Norris --not Joyce-- did all the important thinking and writing, the way some people crawl in awe at the feet of this admittedly charismatic, but intellectually diminutive Presidential wannabe.

Raising someone like Norris to the status of intellectual giant (and portraying his opponents as simpletons) does not bring you any reflected glory I'm afraid. Find better role models.

padd b1975

Pherekydes wrote: »

Maybe some of us got through our voting careers thus far without ever voting FF/Haughey/Ahern.

That would put you in the minority but obviously as a democrat I respect your right to hold and express that view.

Phill Ewinn

1. # NORRIS The Sunday Times reports today
that presidential hopeful David Norris wrote six
more letters asking for clemency for his former
partner Ezra Nawi , who was convicted of
statutory rape of a 15 year old boy in Israel in
1997. Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyanu was
among the political and legal figures who
received a letter. The letters are said to be very
similar to the two which came to light in July.


From the Journal.ie.

wild_cat

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

S. Ross has given Norris his nomination. Kiss goodbye to and future support from me. Our international reputation is poor enough without that joker meeting and greeting in the name of my country. What a prat.

You do relise that he got a few nominations based purely on the reason that a large amount of people want him on the ballot paper and those nominating him are doing it for that reason alone as they feel its part of the democratic Process.

Are you afraid he'll get in if his name is down?

Liam Byrne

padd b1975 wrote: »

Pherekydes wrote: »

Maybe some of us got through our voting careers thus far without ever voting FF/Haughey/Ahern.

That would put you in the minority but obviously as a democrat I respect your right to hold and express that view.

What ? If he says he never voted for them then it's not a "view", it's a fact.

And he might be a minority, but it's the same minority that I'm in.

bnt

I'm from the UK, so while I voted in the TD elections, I'm not allowed to vote in the Presidential elections. I ain't bovvered, frankly. But look at the President's job specification (emphasis added):

The President represents all the people when undertaking official engagements at home and abroad. The President is Supreme Commander of the Defence Forces.

...

The formal powers and functions of the President are prescribed in the Constitution. The President, who does not have an executive or policy role, exercises them on the advice of the Government.

There are some specific instances where the President has an absolute discretion, such as in referring a Bill to the Supreme Court for a judgment on its constitutionality or in refusing to dissolve Dáil Éireann (lower house of parliament) on the advice of a Taoiseach (Prime Minister) who has ceased to retain a majority. Additional functions can be conferred on the President by law.

Just a figurehead, eh? Remember, if it's in the Constitution, then it is law, and it could, in theory, be enacted literally at some point in the future. You might want to put some thought in to who you nominate. If you ask me, neither an IRA leader nor a single-issue campaigner are qualified for the job of representing all the people of Ireland.

padd b1975

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What ? If he says he never voted for them then it's not a "view", it's a fact.

And he might be a minority, but it's the same minority that I'm in.

If anything its an opinion expressed via a ballot paper.

Phill Ewinn

wild_cat wrote: »

You do relise that he got a few nominations based purely on the reason that a large amount of people want him on the ballot paper and those nominating him are doing it for that reason alone as they feel its part of the democratic Process.

Are you afraid he'll get in if his name is down?

Yes. God know what way people will vote. FAIK he could get in. What good is democracy without moral values?

Should we just elect what ever shyster or prat who comes along? Is that what the political process has come to? It's a fvcking joke.