best charolais bull

Kovu

ceannfort wrote: »

Wouldn't class him difficult but in my opinion the majority of calving problems are with poorly made cows.

This brings me back to my Dublin days. Some people just couldnt understand country slang:rolleyes: And I'd be laughing too much to try and explain.
Best one ever was explaining how many 'strippers' we had one day:D

blue5000

Karen112 wrote: »

This brings me back to my Dublin days. Some people just couldnt understand country slang:rolleyes: And I'd be laughing too much to try and explain.
Best one ever was explaining how many 'strippers' we had one day:D

Ya 'runners' and 'screw' bullock spring to mind.

OP If the heifer is small go for an easy calving, proven lim maybe instead of charalois the first time round

Pat the lad

see new record for Charolais bull in Perth sales in England - 70,000 gns. some money.

the guy that bought him has 70 pb cows and has spent 200k on gentics on the last few years!!!!!!!

don't use ch myself, so in no position to comment, but the bull doesn't look anything too special??? personally I thought there was nicer bulls made far less. then again hard to tell full story from a picture

LINKY

pakalasa

Pat the lad wrote: »

see new record for Charolais bull in Perth sales in England - 70,000 gns. some money.

the guy that bought him has 70 pb cows and has spent 200k on gentics on the last few years!!!!!!!

don't use ch myself, so in no position to comment, but the bull doesn't look anything too special??? personally I thought there was nicer bulls made far less. then again hard to tell full story from a picture

LINKY

I see it was the first bull ever bred, by the man and wife that sold him. Gas !!

vanderbadger

Pat the lad wrote: »

see new record for Charolais bull in Perth sales in England - 70,000 gns. some money.

the guy that bought him has 70 pb cows and has spent 200k on gentics on the last few years!!!!!!!

don't use ch myself, so in no position to comment, but the bull doesn't look anything too special??? personally I thought there was nicer bulls made far less. then again hard to tell full story from a picture

LINKY

he looks a bit light boned or something does he ?

Bizzum

vanderbadger wrote: »

he looks a bit light boned or something does he ?

Well bless your eyesight .
Looks a super bull, absolutely amazing story to go with him. I'm suitably gobsmacked!

flatout11

Pat the lad wrote: »

see new record for Charolais bull in Perth sales in England - 70,000 gns. some money.

the guy that bought him has 70 pb cows and has spent 200k on gentics on the last few years!!!!!!!

don't use ch myself, so in no position to comment, but the bull doesn't look anything too special??? personally I thought there was nicer bulls made far less. then again hard to tell full story from a picture

LINKY

he really doesnt look a 70 grand bull his sire bollinger was a far nicer looking bull as was the last one big money bull boden bought Voldermont ah well it just goes to prove all you need is two men locked onto a animal and a good auctioneer.
it was a good time for hands in your pockets 70 seconds to reach the price.

pakalasa

Sorry but €70k for an unproven bull seems just plain madness to me.
You could buy a lot of straws, of well proven bulls, for that money.
How much was CF52 again, €10 a straw was it?

vanderbadger

pakalasa wrote: »

Sorry but €70k for an unproven bull seems just plain madness to me.
You could buy a lot of straws, of well proven bulls, for that money.
How much was CF52 again, €10 a straw was it?

how much is 70,000gns in euro?

reilig

vanderbadger wrote: »

how much is 70,000gns in euro?

Its £73,500

or

84,310.70 EUR

weefarmer

Whats rhe exchange rate(or whatever you would call it ) reilig?

flatout11

pakalasa wrote: »

Sorry but €70k for an unproven bull seems just plain madness to me.
You could buy a lot of straws, of well proven bulls, for that money.
How much was CF52 again, €10 a straw was it?

no bull is proven going through the sales ring thats part of the breeding game,
but to put it in context the same guy has sold bulls to €55000 gns
bulls over there regularly make 5 figure sums then add in semen sales
they arent so focused on ai as is edivent from the catalogues as most bulls are sired by stock bulls

vanderbadger

flatout11 wrote: »

no bull is proven going through the sales ring thats part of the breeding game,
but to put it in context the same guy has sold bulls to €55000 gns
bulls over there regularly make 5 figure sums then add in semen sales
they arent so focused on ai as is edivent from the catalogues as most bulls are sired by stock bulls

FBd would keel over if you asked them to insure your 84000 euro bull id say

reilig

weefarmer wrote: »

Whats rhe exchange rate(or whatever you would call it ) reilig?

A Guinea is £1.05. (ie. 5% commission)

flatout11

pakalasa wrote: »

How much was CF52 again, €10 a straw was it?

if i could only go back again and buy a hundred or 2, they were some value!!!!

flatout11

vanderbadger wrote: »

FBd would keel over if you asked them to insure your 84000 euro bull id say

do you think they would throw in free windscreen cover with it :D:D

pmct

I had a PB heifer calfed last night out of PTE. She calfed herself.
he is a nice calf small with a lovely small head at least he has plenty of time to grow

Pat the lad

vanderbadger wrote:

Pat the lad wrote: »

LINKY

he looks a bit light boned or something does he ?

yeah to me he looks light too. he looks short, and there's alot of daylight under him(I know you look for height in a bull) and his far front foot is pointing out out. to be fair to him the photo might not be doing him justice. I'm hard to please today lol!!!
also someone is after spending 70 k for him, so what do I know!! he must be a fair good beast ing the flesh.

pakalasa

Pale in comparison to the Horse game I suppose.
Remember Green Monkey. Coolmore bought him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyggMC85Zsg&feature=related

defadman

was talking to vet and he mentioned I would need to put an easy calving bull on one pratitcular cow, as she was quite muscly and tight.Anyone know of good ch bull easy calved but still brings serious quality??

Bizzum

defadman wrote: »

was talking to vet and he mentioned I would need to put an easy calving bull on one pratitcular cow, as she was quite muscly and tight.Anyone know of good ch bull easy calved but still brings serious quality??

Excellent.
Nelson.
Pirate.

defadman

just after looking mozart..he seems good...any experience with him?

Bizzum

defadman wrote: »

just after looking mozart..he seems good...any experience with him?

I never put him on a heifer. I don't think he is regarded as easy calving.
Alex (CF61) could be an option too?

Bizzum

defadman wrote: »

was talking to vet and he mentioned I would need to put an easy calving bull on one pratitcular cow, as she was quite muscly and tight.Anyone know of good ch bull easy calved but still brings serious quality??

Can I just get back to this point. What in your opinion caused the vet to form that opinion? Might I assume he had occasion to handle her for some reason?
In relation to a bull bringing "serious quality": Many bulls will do a job for you depending on several factore including the limitations of the bull himself and the cow.
Try and figure out the weaknesses (if any) in any given cow and based on this try and select a bull to compensate.
I suppose what I'm saying is that what may produce "serious quality" in my cow MAY produce average quality in your cow.

Cross the best with the best and hope for the best!:)

BelgianBlue13

I have a shapey charolais heifer at the age of two.i want a shapey belgian blue calf but i dont want to operate on her.
Anyone got some advice.:)

leg wax

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

I have a shapey charolais heifer at the age of two.i want a shapey belgian blue calf but i dont want to operate on her.
Anyone got some advice.:)

if you want to go bb on her than sfl .

Bizzum

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

I have a shapey charolais heifer at the age of two.i want a shapey belgian blue calf but i dont want to operate on her.
Anyone got some advice.:)

Blonde bull APX on her as a heifer, BB bull BBQ on her next year.

BelgianBlue13

i mean on PG

Bizzum

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

i mean on PG

Lim FL22 as a maiden heifer. BB bull CGG as a second calver.

BelgianBlue13

Bizzum wrote: »

Lim FL22 as a maiden heifer. BB bull CGG as a second calver.

We have another shapey charolais heifer and used FL22.No calves from him yet.Anymore info on him.?

Bizzum

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

We have another shapey charolais heifer and used FL22.No calves from him yet.Anymore info on him.?

I'm in the same boat. Few due from Dec to FL22. I did ask that same question lately and some of the posters on here have calves on the ground. If I recall correctly, easily calved, small calves, inclined to be growthy.

BelgianBlue13

Bizzum wrote: »

I'm in the same boat. Few due from Dec to FL22. I did ask that same question lately and some of the posters on here have calves on the ground. If I recall correctly, easily calved, small calves, inclined to be growthy.

Once their Easy I Suppose,Thats Good.:)

tismesoitis

5 fl22 calves on d ground now.to be honest they're a mixed bag. the 2 oldest which are feb march born grew well but did,nt really fill out a bit leggy. 2 of the 3 autumn born ones look to be better calves altogether. not using him again though pg must not think much of him when he not even in catalogue now(maybe he all gone).bought a few straws of grahams apache (sligo ai)for d next batch of heifers....anyone any experience of him???? by the way see bova doin a serious deal on towthorpe Dubai buy 2 get 1 free got 60straws for €320.think he'll do a great job super mother and father!!

bogman_bass

seems to be a little hit and miss. Have 4 calves off him now. all popped out. 1 is a spring calf and he is possibly the best muscled weanling we ever had. great length.
the rest are less then 6 weeks old. one is from a holstein cow and at 3 weeks of age we struggled to get him into the skulling crate for dehorning. Great growth altogether. One is from a blue cow and is looking good at this stage and one is alright. Bulls seem to better the heifers from him. only got bulls from him ourselves but saw some on a friends farm and the were pretty plain considering the quality of his other stock. I was supprise when he told me what they were by.

so in conclusion, we've only had good results from him but I've seen others disapointed

sheeper

Voldermont= broken jack or ropes

IF your looking for a female line there is really only one at the min who is providing the the goods but he is going to cost ya

Bizzum

sheeper wrote: »

Voldermont= broken jack or ropes

IF your looking for a female line there is really only one at the min who is providing the the goods but he is going to cost ya

Tell us more!!!!!

flatout11

Bizzum wrote: »

Tell us more!!!!!

mjr

sheeper

Yup

Flatout has it sport on "Major" is prob the best female line around at the min

Bizzum

sheeper wrote: »

Yup

Flatout has it sport on "Major" is prob the best female line around at the min

Go on............Tell us another bit!

sheeper

What more do you want to know ?

Bizzum

sheeper wrote: »

IF your looking for a female line there is really only one at the min who is providing the the goods

What I'm curious to know is this:

What exactly are these goods?
Why is Major alone in producing them?
Who is in second, third and forth place?

kealar

Does anyone on here use culard bulls to bring on the muscle,or are you lookin for trouble hard calving and c-sections..ive some tall blondxfresian cows that had blonde calves was goin to put culard bull in them next..what would ye think??

Bizzum

kealar wrote: »

Does anyone on here use culard bulls to bring on the muscle,or are you lookin for trouble hard calving and c-sections..ive some tall blondxfresian cows that had blonde calves was goin to put culard bull in them next..what would ye think??

I think they can be hard calving but select the correct one and you could be grand. I've used Rossli and he was easy calved.
Are you cows once calved cow heifers or mature cows?

kealar

There once calver cow/hefer,how did they turn out for ya as wenlings,some people dont really rate them at all they say they have bad legs and that there hefers cant calve naturally but they cant be any worse than a hard calving blue imo..

redzerologhlen

Bizzum wrote: »

I think they can be hard calving but select the correct one and you could be grand. I've used Rossli and he was easy calved.
Are you cows once calved cow heifers or mature cows?

On the hard calving there bizzum. one of the friends gave Tonga to ten cows last year. I was with him when the most of them calved and no bother with all the cows calving themselves. Small calves with lightish bone on them. They werent the growthiest but good shapey calves. The best calf he had was out of his worst cow. She is a pure screw of a shorhorn cow but she put the growth into them. he is on about using the same bull on heifers he is so easy calving. I cant say any more about the other bulls out there but there was no bother with him. He is way easier calved then the most of the normal charolais bulls I have experience with.

http://www.icbf.com/taurus/bull_search/index.php?search_type=num&search=tga

Bizzum

kealar wrote: »

There once calver cow/hefer,how did they turn out for ya as wenlings,some people dont really rate them at all they say they have bad legs and that there hefers cant calve naturally but they cant be any worse than a hard calving blue imo..

No complaints on the legs, I used only Rossli as a terminal sire with no intention of breeding the females.
From what I saw of Rossli calves Redzer summed it up precisely: Small calves, lightish bone, not the growthiest but shapey calves!

sheeper

Well in my humble opinion you won't beat major at the min for the female line due to their size and power , once you have size and power established you can use any bull as the females have enough size for calving
Also temperament with all the MJR stock seems to be very good
Finally, Milk he is very good for producing Milk which most CH suffer

Bizzum

I never used MJR, I had 6 Ped CH cows, and culled heavily 3/4 years ago keeping only heifers from ultimately one cow, which was milky, but laked size/power. Enfield Newlook NWK worked well for me, as did Slyvain. I'm back to 3 now with 2 bulling heifers by Alcazar coming on stream, And a weanling heifer by Excellent.
We'll see what these younger ones are like, so far they are lovely heifers.
Come to think of it I have a very nice weanling by Roundhill Doc too.
Any that I dont like will be culled. I don't want quantity, but quality.

sheeper

anyone got any interesting new for the xmas cracker

essgee268

sheeper wrote: »

anyone got any interesting new for the xmas cracker

Saw this bull on Breeders farm just as he turned 12 Months and was blown away, He would put CSQ in hapenny place. i am surprised that one of AI Companies haven't snapped him up.