Castlepark, Maynooth

I know the feeling. Ours are pre-school but I would like to have the housing question answered before they start somewhere.

The thing is we chose to rent in Maynooth thinking it would be possible to get good value compared to Dublin but that's just not the case right now.

As I mentioned earlier though, I see agents getting a bit less complacent lately. People who wouldn't bother to return our calls in the spring/summer and now chasing us up to see if we'd like to view houses.

Maybe wishful thinking of my part but I think the real surge in prices is easing. That takes the anxiety out of it for everyone. I look back at a bidding war we 'lost' in June with a sense of relief now.

Moonbeam

Maynooth is no cheaper then a lot of Dublin but,is a lovely place to live with nearly everything within walking distance.
It is the last stop in the Dublin Area commuting for tax saver tickets.
When we were looking 5 years ago there were no decent size 4 beds either so we bought a good size house but needs work.
Moyglare seems to be an option for those that dont want to be near schools,train and motorway.

School places cn be an issue here too so if you want the ET or the Gael Scoil stick their names down at birth or you may have a school commute.

its a waiting game

Have been lurking on this page for quite a while. Finally got an email in relation to the final stage of Castlepark. Does anyone have any ideas on how bids go up, in the 1K, 2k, 5k, 10k etc. I'm totally at a loss but I've got the draw the line somewhere ! Talk about sucking every bit the can from people 😢

yellow hen

Moonbeam wrote: »

Moyglare seems to be an option for those that dont want to be near schools,train and motorway.

School places cn be an issue here too so if you want the ET or the Gael Scoil stick their names down at birth or you may have a school commute.

I'm a little later to this conversation than most but are the schools not over towards moyglare? I had understood that, although proximity to the train would be handy, traffic on the motorway side of the town is horrendous. Is that right?

ForEffsSake

its a waiting game wrote: »

Have been lurking on this page for quite a while. Finally got an email in relation to the final stage of Castlepark. Does anyone have any ideas on how bids go up, in the 1K, 2k, 5k, 10k etc. I'm totally at a loss but I've got the draw the line somewhere ! Talk about sucking every bit the can from people 😢

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you but it's not open bidding like an auction? You just put your maximum bid in writing and give it to them in a sealed envelope by Friday 24th. You only get one chance and the strongest bid wins.

its a waiting game

Sorry I meant does anyone know typically how much people actually go above the stated price ?

ForEffsSake wrote: »

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you but it's not open bidding like an auction? You just put your maximum bid in writing and give it to them in a sealed envelope by Friday 24th. You only get one chance and the strongest bid wins.

its a waiting game

And also do you bid on one particular house number or just your maximum bid and if successful they give you whatever semi d/detached they like ? Sorry for all the questions, totally wasnt expecting things to go to tender :-) quote="its a waiting game;92655090"]Sorry I meant does anyone know typically how much people actually go above the stated price ?[/quote]

ForEffsSake

Ah sorry was thinking I got the wrong end of the stick! If you check on the PPR it gives some idea. But summer 2013 the bids seemed to go up to nearly 15k above asking. Last February was fixed pricing but I think they only got offered to underbidders from the previous phase.

They've gone so high this time that I think the only strategy to follow is bid the highest you think they're worth at a price you can afford and ignore the PPR for the rest of your life!

Curious2014

I can't believe the prices outlined in the update email from the EA. Seriously. We have been interested in the 4 bed detached in Castlepark for quite a while. They are beautiful houses, lovely estate and we love Maynooth. However, €490k and the rest is just madness. We were expecting the prices for this phase to be out of our budget so we kind of said goodbye to Maynooth at the start of the year and widened our search.

Best of luck to those who have decided to go for it. I'll be interested to hear how the whole process goes as it seems the EA to date has been dreadful.

L1011

yellow hen wrote: »

I'm a little later to this conversation than most but are the schools not over towards moyglare? I had understood that, although proximity to the train would be handy, traffic on the motorway side of the town is horrendous. Is that right?

The post primary and the replacement one planned as well as the RC boys primary are on the Moyglare Road; the presentation girls primary is right beside Castlepark.

ETNS and Gaelscoil are on the Celbridge Road.

yellow hen

MYOB wrote: »

The post primary and the replacement one planned as well as the RC boys primary are on the Moyglare Road; the presentation girls primary is right beside Castlepark.

ETNS and Gaelscoil are on the Celbridge Road.

Thanks so much. Is traffic really bad trying to get through the town at peak times? We only ever get there on a Saturday.

Maynoothres

yellow hen wrote: »

Thanks so much. Is traffic really bad trying to get through the town at peak times? We only ever get there on a Saturday.

In a word.... Yes!!!!

Patser

Another thread lurker here - but for different reasons. We're just about to move into a new build in Moyglare Hall - one of the last of the phase to be built. Talking with the foreman and they're gearing up for a launch of phase 4 - another 100 odd houses.

FWIW We're getting a 4 bed semi for 300k - no haggling involved but that might have been timing (deposit in in February)

L1011

yellow hen wrote: »

Thanks so much. Is traffic really bad trying to get through the town at peak times? We only ever get there on a Saturday.

Yes. And at off-peak times...

Moonbeam

yellow hen wrote: »

I'm a little later to this conversation than most but are the schools not over towards moyglare? I had understood that, although proximity to the train would be handy, traffic on the motorway side of the town is horrendous. Is that right?

The all girls school and all boys schools are on the other side of town,the ET and Gaelscoil are on the same side as the train station.

Moonbeam

yellow hen wrote: »

Thanks so much. Is traffic really bad trying to get through the town at peak times? We only ever get there on a Saturday.

Traffic through Maynooth is nearly always chronic but the advantage is everything is in walking distance.

tommmyhouse

Went to viewing during the week. Only 2 couples turned up. Really quite. I can't see these selling out straight away at these prices. Reckon they missed the boat with the new mortgage rules coming in.

Had a nose around myself the other day. Wasn't jammed but the Bank of Mum & Dad was out in force. That's the only way most FTBs are buying houses at these prices.

Detached are really nice, although the living room is a fairly standard rectangular shape and the showhouse has slimmed down furniture. Add armchairs and a decent coffee table and it would still be fine but not enormous.

Was in one of the detached in Griffin Rath which sold at around the same price earlier this year. The proportions there are even better - monstrous houses, but the location is not as good.

The semi-Ds were nicer than I'd expected. Kitchen/dining is lovely and bright. Prices are a long way from where they were at the beginning of this thread but not bad compared to where the market has been for semis in the more mature estates lately.

But the garden is really very small because the houses are narrower than the detached and the kitchen on the semis extends out into the garden.

Looked out a bedroom window and noticed that the garden on the detached showhouse is smaller than the garden on the detached house it backs onto. Clever trick of the trade. Wonder what other little illusions are in play that are not as noticeable.

Griffinx

yellow hen wrote: »

Thanks so much. Is traffic really bad trying to get through the town at peak times? We only ever get there on a Saturday.

A bike is a handy asset around Maynooth

Surelite

The prices of these really seems to have jumped massively this round. Here's a summary of average selling prices over time from the PPR (I've added in 13.5% VAT to the PPR prices):

Detached by Year:

Year Avg Price - Detached
2012 €386,161.68
2013 €417,891.96
2014 €434,019.35

Detached by Month:

Month Avg Price - Detached
1/1/2012 €380,000.27
4/1/2012 €393,499.96
5/1/2012 €371,873.67
6/1/2012 €393,391.00
7/1/2012 €298,505.00
11/1/2012 €404,231.41
12/1/2012 €395,994.01
3/1/2013 €398,500.00
4/1/2013 €384,987.01
5/1/2013 €399,999.99
7/1/2013 €401,076.09
8/1/2013 €520,000.00
9/1/2013 €399,000.00
10/1/2013 €402,000.56
11/1/2013 €424,331.25
12/1/2013 €454,000.00
1/1/2014 €414,999.99
2/1/2014 €411,499.99
3/1/2014 €412,999.26
5/1/2014 €407,754.99
6/1/2014 €410,512.21
7/1/2014 €429,999.99
8/1/2014 €448,749.49
9/1/2014 €462,155.40

Semi-Detached by Year:

Month Avg Price Semi -Detached
2012 €279,813.26
2013 €283,174.96
2014 €288,808.92

Semi-Detached by Month:

Month Avg Price Semi
4/1/2012 €284,998.50
6/1/2012 €268,499.99
7/1/2012 €277,833.51
8/1/2012 €278,999.99
9/1/2012 €274,999.15
10/1/2012 €278,749.76
12/1/2012 €289,724.07
1/1/2013 €284,999.99
3/1/2013 €274,999.15
5/1/2013 €269,500.10
6/1/2013 €289,600.85
7/1/2013 €312,125.00
9/1/2013 €279,999.25
2/1/2014 €293,666.50
3/1/2014 €279,178.22
4/1/2014 €269,160.49
6/1/2014 €305,986.35

The jumps to minimum of 490 and 360 seem to be very large.

Surelite

Stellar work Surelite - thanks!

Surelite wrote: »

The prices of these really seems to have jumped massively this round. Here's a summary of average selling prices over time from the PPR (I've added in 13.5% VAT to the PPR prices):

Detached by Year:

Year Avg Price - Detached
2012 €386,161.68
2013 €417,891.96
2014 €434,019.35

Detached by Month:

Month Avg Price - Detached
1/1/2012 €380,000.27
4/1/2012 €393,499.96
5/1/2012 €371,873.67
6/1/2012 €393,391.00
7/1/2012 €298,505.00
11/1/2012 €404,231.41
12/1/2012 €395,994.01
3/1/2013 €398,500.00
4/1/2013 €384,987.01
5/1/2013 €399,999.99
7/1/2013 €401,076.09
8/1/2013 €520,000.00
9/1/2013 €399,000.00
10/1/2013 €402,000.56
11/1/2013 €424,331.25
12/1/2013 €454,000.00
1/1/2014 €414,999.99
2/1/2014 €411,499.99
3/1/2014 €412,999.26
5/1/2014 €407,754.99
6/1/2014 €410,512.21
7/1/2014 €429,999.99
8/1/2014 €448,749.49
9/1/2014 €462,155.40

Semi-Detached by Year:

Month Avg Price Semi -Detached
2012 €279,813.26
2013 €283,174.96
2014 €288,808.92

Semi-Detached by Month:

Month Avg Price Semi
4/1/2012 €284,998.50
6/1/2012 €268,499.99
7/1/2012 €277,833.51
8/1/2012 €278,999.99
9/1/2012 €274,999.15
10/1/2012 €278,749.76
12/1/2012 €289,724.07
1/1/2013 €284,999.99
3/1/2013 €274,999.15
5/1/2013 €269,500.10
6/1/2013 €289,600.85
7/1/2013 €312,125.00
9/1/2013 €279,999.25
2/1/2014 €293,666.50
3/1/2014 €279,178.22
4/1/2014 €269,160.49
6/1/2014 €305,986.35

The jumps to minimum of 490 and 360 seem to be very large.

Kathy22

its a waiting game wrote: »

Have been lurking on this page for quite a while. Finally got an email in relation to the final stage of Castlepark. Does anyone have any ideas on how bids go up, in the 1K, 2k, 5k, 10k etc. I'm totally at a loss but I've got the draw the line somewhere ! Talk about sucking every bit the can from people 😢

We bid on a phase last year and bid 5k more for an end house than the asking price, turns out the people who outbid us went more than 10k over so it depends on how much you feel the house is worth. At the time we were told to bid on one house and then if unsuccessful we could choose one of the other semi Ds. However they sold out and we got nothing. As one of the 'underbidders' we went to the 'pull your name out of a hat' meeting and got offered a 3 bed which we did not want. Many phonecalls later we were finally offered a 4 bed semi at the asking price, no secret bidding. Our experience with the EA was poor and I was fed up towards the end.

However as we are currently picking kitchens and tiles we went to have a nose around the show houses at the weekend and they were fairly busy. I overheard the sales woman say you can put down one 5k deposit and bid on multiple houses which was not the case when we bid. I guess they just want the higest offer they can get.

Maynoothres

Interesting to hear your experience Kathy22 - thanks for sharing.

It sounds like there's a long road still to go with this crazy estate!

Maynoothres

Kathy22 wrote: »

We bid on a phase last year and bid 5k more for an end house than the asking price, turns out the people who outbid us went more than 10k over so it depends on how much you feel the house is worth. At the time we were told to bid on one house and then if unsuccessful we could choose one of the other semi Ds. However they sold out and we got nothing. As one of the 'underbidders' we went to the 'pull your name out of a hat' meeting and got offered a 3 bed which we did not want. Many phonecalls later we were finally offered a 4 bed semi at the asking price, no secret bidding. Our experience with the EA was poor and I was fed up towards the end.

However as we are currently picking kitchens and tiles we went to have a nose around the show houses at the weekend and they were fairly busy. I overheard the sales woman say you can put down one 5k deposit and bid on multiple houses which was not the case when we bid. I guess they just want the higest offer they can get.

@Kathy22 can you tell me what allowances/fittings are included in the 4 bed semi d? I can't find the info anywhere

kevinfoster

I'm really surprised to see EAs calling the peak of the market growth. Anyone any idea what they're trying to do here?
The only explanation i can think of is that they need to get transaction figures up to make any money. Maybe transactions volumes are very low at the current pricing levels?


Quote:
Real estate firm Savills Ireland said slowing growth in Dublin house prices could be the start of a new phase during which the market started to cool off, while Davy Research analysts agreed price inflation could be close to its peak.

Savills research director John McCarthy said the overall growth rate was still high but there were several factors working to slow prices rises down.

He said there were fewer cash sales because boom-time “mattress money” had been spent and tighter lending rules would also put the brakes on demand -Journal.ie

kevinfoster

Are they trying to tell the Central Bank that there's no need for their pesky lending caps?

kevinfoster wrote: »

I'm really surprised to see EAs calling the peak of the market growth. Anyone any idea what they're trying to do here?
The only explanation i can think of is that they need to get transaction figures up to make any money. Maybe transactions volumes are very low at the current pricing levels?


Quote:
Real estate firm Savills Ireland said slowing growth in Dublin house prices could be the start of a new phase during which the market started to cool off, while Davy Research analysts agreed price inflation could be close to its peak.

Savills research director John McCarthy said the overall growth rate was still high but there were several factors working to slow prices rises down.

He said there were fewer cash sales because boom-time “mattress money” had been spent and tighter lending rules would also put the brakes on demand -Journal.ie

Deadline day....
Must pass through the village to see if there's a queue of people outside Coonan's with cheques in hand.

Kathy22

Maynoothres wrote: »

@Kathy22 can you tell me what allowances/fittings are included in the 4 bed semi d? I can't find the info anywhere

Bathrooms and kitchen and wardrobes are included. We have been given the contact details of the people that are providing them and went to view the wardrobe and kitchen options last week. There is also scope to change the layout of the kitchen.

There is a number of kitchen units available without extra cost. We enquired about a solid wood option and it was 1.2k extra. Counter tops can be changed again if you want something more superior you get an allowance and can put it towards it. They have the suppliers for everything and you can go pick them out. Bathrooms supplied as is but chance to change them. All wordrobes in the bedrooms included as standard, you can pick colour and design (same person doing these as kitchens). Attic comes floored with the stira folding stairs included. No floors or applicances included. That is what we know so far.Looking forward to moving in, a few months off yet though!

Surelite

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Deadline day....
Must pass through the village to see if there's a queue of people outside Coonan's with cheques in hand.

Best of luck to those who went for it.! I had considered it but after looking at ppr data decided against. Either way it's a bet. Let us know how you get on though - would love to hear the experience of everyone that did go for it. Really hope however that crooknan....I mean coonan don't get the Min bidding prices.....

Yes, very best of luck to those who bid. They are lovely houses. Hope everyone gets what they want without too much stressing or messing.
Let us know how it goes...