How are your local reps

expectationlost

Fingal Councillors Pay and Expenses 2009 to 2014 charts
http://dublinstreams.blogspot.ie/2014/04/fingal-councillors-pay-and-expenses.html

Some council members have much greater pay and allowances then others because of extra internal positions such as Mayor, Deputy, SPC chair, council representative on external boards. The original sources and my charts try to reflect that.

I don't think councillors get paid too much and don't mind them getting expenses but conferences expenses must be truely useful to the councillor and the council.

I often am not impressed when newspapers lump years of expenses or pay into one amount to make it seem bigger, but then these charts do that, this is whole term wrap up, the yearly data is available.

good thread on conferences from a few years back http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055882037&page=2 where former councillor alan farrell explains the benefit of conferences...

some populist promises being made by candidates, offers to divert money to certain community groups worries me more then people going on conferences, my reason for looking at this data is a reaction to that as much as concern about expenses/pay.

expectationlost

last day for candidates http://www.fingalcoco.ie/your-council/voting-and-elections/local-elections-2014/

clunked

Who has been canvassed so far? We have had, David O'Connor IND, Cathal Boland IND, Tony Murphy IND, Brian Dennehy FF no lab or Fine Gael though we have had a labour leaflet.

expectationlost

jimmy guerin running about he did well last time came 6th out of 5 seats http://electionsireland.org/result.cfm?election=2009L&cons=1979

expectationlost

strange, from a photo of the fingal election nomination list we have further candidate for both Swords and Howth Malahide and Crumlin Kimmage http://electionsireland.org/biographies.cfm?election=2014L&cons=1979 Lech Szczeciński a Polish guy living here for 8 years, who ran in South West Inner City in 2009 http://electionsireland.org/candidate.cfm?ID=9554 who used to work at Dublin Airport http://www.thejournal.ie/polish-local-elections-1312709-Feb2014/ and just studied marketing at DBS http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/lech-szczecinski/39/902/504

Dublin City Council List http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/LocalElections/Documents/Notice_of_Nomination_of_Candidates.pdf

martinn123

expectationlost wrote: »

strange from a photo of the fingal election nomination list we have further candidate for both Swords and Howth Malahide and Crumlin Kimmage http://electionsireland.org/biographies.cfm?election=2014L&cons=1979 Lech Szczeciński a Polish guy living here for 8 years, who ran in South West Inner City in 2009 http://electionsireland.org/candidate.cfm?ID=9554 who used to work at Dublin Airport http://www.thejournal.ie/polish-local-elections-1312709-Feb2014/ and just studied marketing at DBS http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/lech-szczecinski/39/902/504

Dublin City Council List http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/LocalElections/Documents/Notice_of_Nomination_of_Candidates.pdf

Is he standing in 3 Constituencies, or am I reading that wrong,

Fair play to him, if so, that will be some Canvass.

Irish Halo

clunked wrote: »

Cathal Boland IND

Cathal Boland used to be Fine Gael, did they not want him back?

Having grown up in Lusk his plan to open up the view to the Round Tower is interesting but the mention of the extra car parking spaces hints at an ulterior motive?

p.s. can you still visit inside the Round Tower? I remember doing it once years ago (easily 2 decades) can you still do that? Not even sure I remember what was inside properly.

martinn123

Irish Halo wrote: »

Cathal Boland used to be Fine Gael, did they not want him back?

Following his appearance at the Flood Tribunal...probably not.

Having grown up in Lusk his plan to open up the view to the Round Tower is interesting but the mention of the extra car parking spaces hints at an ulterior motive?

p.s. can you still visit inside the Round Tower? I remember doing it once years ago (easily 2 decades) can you still do that? Not even sure I remember what was inside properly.

Mrs Kelly, Kelly's Garage, opp Garda Stn, has a key and will allow you to visit the Tower, with some advance notice.

expectationlost

indo investigated expenses for 2012 and 2013 for all councillors http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-the-pay-and-perks-of-your-local-councillors-30246438.html here is Fingal http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/article30246517.ece/BINARY/PDF%3A+What+Dublin+councillors+earn+%281+of+3%29+ pdf

now while they added in retirement payments(coyle/hamill/mckeon etc), vec/tb, hse forum, regional assembly and authority travel payments which makes it more accurate, they don't actually detail how they made up their final figure, I just charted payments/expense/conferences but indicated how it was made up by extra payments for certain councillors for being mayor/spc chair/FDB etc http://dublinstreams.blogspot.ie/2014/04/fingal-councillors-pay-and-expenses.html and linked to my underlying data and sources so you can see my mistakes

can't justify the conference expenses, but other wise the people promising not take any expense or divert theirs to community groups are indulging in populists inducement politics

cathy01

I was talking to Frank Snowe and mentioned he didn't have any poasters up and was pleased to hear he isn't putting up any.you either know him and his work or don't .
Whole place is covered in posters.blowing off in the wind banging people I the head blocking view of roads.
I hate them.

Michael8000

cathy01 wrote: »

I was talking to Frank Snowe and mentioned he didn't have any poasters up and was pleased to hear he isn't putting up any.you either know him and his work or don't .
Whole place is covered in posters.blowing off in the wind banging people I the head blocking view of roads.
I hate them.

I've definitely seen Frank Snowe posters up. Not the normal sized poster granted but posters nonetheless. There was one just at the entrance to the Balbriggan market.

LeoB

We have only had 2 people call here Janette McNamara F.G and Brian Dennehy F.F. both local

It will be interesting to see how the vote goes out around Naul, Ballyboughal Oldtown area with Boland and O'Connor pulling from 4 or 5 box's. Will Boland have an old F.G vote to call on or will O'Connor hold strong?

On the posters issue and I dont know if its just but Balbriggan has been destroyed with them and as Cathy says quite a few have blown down.

Would Fingal have the bottle to ban them from Town centres?

expectationlost

martinn123 wrote: »

Is he standing in 3 Constituencies, or am I reading that wrong,

Fair play to him, if so, that will be some Canvass.

I asked him on facebook why he registered in three councils and he said because he wanted to find out how foreigners lived in Fingal???

expectationlost

Majority of education boards refuse to reveal payments http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/majority-of-education-boards-refuse-to-reveal-payments-30250658.html county dublinn and dun laoghaire ETB didn't respond


the thing the indo highlighted today was the paltry report back from the conferences Scribbled note from trip that cost taxpayer €724 http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/scribbled-note-from-trip-that-cost-taxpayer-724-30250677.html

still havn't found the council reports, I found this in 2011
http://meetings.fingal.ie/celistdocuments.aspx?MID=2136&DF=11/04/2011&A=1&R=0&F=embed$1178.htm

PUBLISHING CONFERENCE REPORTS ON THE INTERNET.
The issue of publishing conference reports on the internet was raised by Councillor Cian O’Callaghan at the County Council meeting held on13th September, 2010. It was agreed at that time that this matter would be discussed at a future Organisation and Procedures Committee Meeting.

Mr Stephen Peppard outlinedthe process regarding Councillors attending conferences andproducing conference reports. Following a brief discussion itwas agreed that a folder would be available at the County Council meeting each month containing conference reports.

september 13th 2010
http://meetings.fingal.ie/celistdocuments.aspx?MID=2119&DF=13%2f09%2f2010&A=1&R=0&F=embed$40625.htm

I can find a monthly list of conferences attended and whether a reported was submitted or not like this http://meetings.fingal.ie/celistdocuments.aspx?MID=3398&DF=13%2f02%2f2012&A=1&R=0&F=embed$47109.htm an example of something that was in practice before 2011,I still havn't found the actual conference reports online

except for one on the delegation to china http://meetings.fingal.ie/celistdocuments.aspx?MID=2138&DF=15%2f06%2f2011&A=1&R=0&F=embed$44143.htm

expectationlost

Official list of candidates for Fingal http://www.fingal.ie/your-council/voting-and-elections/local-elections-2014/

expectationlost

still talkng to myself but this is good one a website by publicpolicy.ie funded by athlantic philantrophies which shows how much council spend on each service per person and where it gets its income and then you can compare different councils to each other
http://localauthorityfinances.com/


Fingal Data team have already worked to provide the spending data https://openspending.org/fingal_exp_budget

I had tried to figure this out myself in the lower two charts http://dublinstreams.blogspot.ie/2014/04/fingal-budget.html im sure more sankey is wrong was just wondering if certain monies going in goes into certain services and comparing over time is proably the best way to see it, but who know what how the income and expenditure will be like for the next 5 years?

expectationlost

some people have such neck, Kiernan Dennison tweets and blogs this https://twitter.com/kierandennison/status/464480431958929408

a Sinn Fein candidate Natalie Treacy poster has the slogan "One of our own" because she happens to now live just outside Castleknock boundary but grew up within Castleknock LEA, Kiernan Dennison in the context of racism towards another candidate says this slogan is evidence of SF's racism towards her opponents. Incredible to misuse race like that, I'll leave it to you to decide what kind of person that makes Kiernan Dennison

Mayor of Fingal's vicious slur referred to Sinn Féin's legal team https://www.facebook.com/pages/Natalie-Treacy-Your-Voice-For-You/252636294911112?fref=ts

Alan Farrell

LeoB wrote: »

Would Fingal have the bottle to ban them from Town centres?

No. They don't have the authority to do so. Posters are covered by primary legislation.

Malahide has held its own poster ban in the core of the town in my ten years as a public representative. In the main, political parties honour the custom.

Its up to tidy towns/chambers and community representative bodies to ask political parties to stick to such arrangements, and of course buy in from the parties themselves.

I for one would have no objection to adhering to such arrangements.

expectationlost

another bizarre interview by noel mcguiness on nearfm http://nearfm.ie/podcast/keith-redmond-fine-gael-candidate-in-the-local-elections/ he doesn't know the number of extra seats, doesn't make the distinction between dublin city and fingal on the property tax rate, and then says about 4 times thatis running for first time and Keith Redmond never corrects him.

martinn123

Why is Fitzpatrick, FF European Election, sending 4 leaflets to my house.

Yes I know it's because there are 4 voters, but Legislation was passed by Min Hogan limiting this to one per house.

As this is funded by you and me, it's a bloody waste of taxpayer funds

expectationlost

martinn123 wrote: »

Why is Fitzpatrick, FF European Election, sending 4 leaflets to my house.

Yes I know it's because there are 4 voters, but Legislation was passed by Min Hogan limiting this to one per house.

As this is funded by you and me, it's a bloody waste of taxpayer funds

strange i wonder how that all actually works, heres the new legislation on it http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90352751

martinn123

expectationlost wrote: »

strange i wonder how that all actually works, heres the new legisaltion on it http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90352751

Well obviously as She is not paying, rules are there to be broken, think I might post 3back to her, without a stamp.

expectationlost

martinn123 wrote: »

Well obviously as She is not paying, rules are there to be broken, think I might post 3back to her, without a stamp.

did they actually have your individual address on them _and_ the words Litir um Thoghcan

martinn123

expectationlost wrote: »

did they acutally have your individual address on them _and_ the words Litir um Thoghcan

Yes, 4individual names, all same address, and litir um Thoghcan.

Paul Murphy Socialist Party, is today's LawBreaker, with the same trick.

So much for the Socialists rant against Austerity, and Profiteering, Bond Holders etc, they take us for fools.

Oh hang on, here's a few more,

Nessa Childers, 4 from her. ( returning social solidarity to the heart of EU Policy )
not if you can't follow the rules it's not.

Brid Smith, people before Profit, 4 from her, ( a real alternative to the Establishment ) yea right, same trick,

And finally for today, Tom Darcy, 4 from him, ( returns the power to the people )
Good man Tom, try reading the rules.

Luckily for them all, I live in a Rural area, haven't seen a Canvasser in years, if they do call, I will be asking questions on this abuse.

Meantime if they call to your home, can someone ask the question of these Candidates breaking the Law.

expectationlost

martinn123 wrote: »

Yes, 4individual names, all same address, and litir um Thoghcan.

Paul Murphy Socialist Party, is today's LawBreaker, with the same trick.

So much for the Socialists rant against Austerity, and Profiteering, Bond Holders etc, they take us for fools.

Oh hang on, here's a few more,

Nessa Childers, 4 from her. ( returning social solidarity to the heart of EU Policy )
not if you can't follow the rules it's not.

Brid Smith, people before Profit, 4 from her, ( a real alternative to the Establishment ) yea right, same trick,

And finally for today, Tom Darcy, 4 from him, ( returns the power to the people )
Good man Tom, try reading the rules.

Luckily for them all, I live in a Rural area, haven't seen a Canvasser in years, if they do call, I will be asking questions on this abuse.

Meantime if they call to your home, can someone ask the question of these Candidates breaking the Law.

strange they may be inconsistancies in this new aproach, Im getting the same leaflets in the last few days Murphy,D'arcy,Smtih,Childers and Hayes the week before all addressed to the household, I'd hold off calling them lawbreakers.

is this not arranged through an post, its An Post who provide the list of addresses.

martinn123

expectationlost wrote: »

strange they may be inconsistancies in this new aproach, Im getting the same leaflets in the last few days Murphy,D'arcy,Smtih,Childers and Hayes the week before all addressed to the household, I'd hold off calling them lawbreakers.

is this not arranged through an post, its An Post who provide the list of addresses.

No, the electoral register, provides the list of addresses.

In my case we have 4 occupants, all with the same surname, all with the same address, ( I do concede we have no house number, just a Lane Address ) ,
In addition all 4 are consecutive on the Electoral Roll, I.e no 1,2,3,4, so it's obvious we are all at the same address.

An Post merely deliver the leaflets, and collect the fees.

If they are not following the regulations, I am happy to just call them Regulation Breakers.

expectationlost

martinn123 wrote: »

No, the electoral register, provides the list of addresses.

In my case we have 4 occupants, all with the same surname, all with the same address, ( I do concede we have no house number, just a Lane Address ) ,
In addition all 4 are consecutive on the Electoral Roll, I.e no 1,2,3,4, so it's obvious we are all at the same address.

An Post merely deliver the leaflets, and collect the fees.

If they are not following the regulations, I am happy to just call them Regulation Breakers.

who collated the electoral register from individual address into households? that must be a very difficult task to get 100% right

expectationlost

some more leaflets from Howth Malahide

Guerin Ind, Dunne Labour, O'Callaghan Ind, Ni Laoi SF

https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B6AEiinGYynOcnFlSml5RE9YRWM
https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B6AEiinGYynObE5fcFRiRHdaQXc
https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B6AEiinGYynOc3hES1Y1RTVtWm8
https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B6AEiinGYynOZ0tCbDVsbjN2Zzg

expectationlost

why would a candidate put down their work address rather then their home address in the notice of poll ?

Alan Farrell

martinn123 wrote: »

No, the electoral register, provides the list of addresses.

In my case we have 4 occupants, all with the same surname, all with the same address, ( I do concede we have no house number, just a Lane Address ) ,
In addition all 4 are consecutive on the Electoral Roll, I.e no 1,2,3,4, so it's obvious we are all at the same address.

An Post merely deliver the leaflets, and collect the fees.

If they are not following the regulations, I am happy to just call them Regulation Breakers.

To clarify, no candidate controls the litir um Thoghcan. They merely submit their information to the Sheriff whom I understand uses the electoral register.

I would have thought Martin that making an assumption on family names in a rural area would lead to mistakes. I know of several Jenkinson households in rural Lusk but they'd all get just one Litir if we applied your logic, for example.

Very easily managed at 1 The Street, The Town but not so easy when its a rural lane.