The Official After Hours Presidential Election Thread POLL RESET 23/10

Sonnenblumen · 05-10-2011 5:59pm

Ironé wrote: »

What is stupid about wanting to know what are in those letters? It isn't some light and fluffy misdemeanor it is serious. The media didn't write those letters - he did and he needs to stand over them or lose voter confidence.

And can you get more serious than terrorism? McGuinness has to expect that this is a major issue for people. He's been dealing with it his whole political career.

There are seven candidates and all attention is on two issues pertaining to 2 candidates. What about the broader debate, what about the other candidates? This is dysfunctional democracy at work, orchestrated by the media who are manipulating popular opinion, because most are unable to make a decision to save their lives. So yes it is stupid and would indicate that the public are stupid for allowing it.

Can it get more serious than terrorism? For heaven's sake, ignorance is much more dangerous, being led around by the nose is potentially more dangerous also.

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:02pm

So basically the way things stand at the moment:

Mary Davis - special k - need I say more
Seán Gallagher - seems level headed so far would like to hear more
Michael D - the only one who seems to be acting in anyway presidential
Martin McGuiness - Too soon
Gay Mitchell - Martin McGuiness was in the IRA - build a bridge and get over it.
David Norris - Ego the size of jupiter, welfare fraud and those letters - so in a nutshell no!
Dana - Ah Bless!

dvpower · 05-10-2011 6:05pm

Ironé wrote: »

David Norris - Ego the size of jupiter, welfare fraud and those letters - so in a nutshell no!

Welfare fraud? When did that story break?

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:07pm

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

There are seven candidates and all attention is on two issues pertaining to 2 candidates. What about the broader debate, what about the other candidates? This is dysfunctional democracy at work, orchestrated by the media who are manipulating popular opinion, because most are unable to make a decision to save their lives. So yes it is stupid and would indicate that the public are stupid for allowing it.

They are relevant questions - I agree more should be discussed I really want to hear more from the other candidates too but Norris in particular needs to give better answers. I'm not sure McGuiness can say much more really. It is what it is - either you are ok with it or you're not.

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Can it get more serious than terrorism? For heaven's sake, ignorance is much more dangerous, being led around by the nose is potentially more dangerous also.

Sorry just have to stop laughing at that one - personally I'd take a bit of ignorance over a car bomb any day thanks.

Lord TSC · 05-10-2011 6:07pm

Gay Mitchell - Martin McGuiness was in the IRA - build a bridge and get over it.
David Norris - Ego the size of jupiter, welfare fraud and those letters - so in a nutshell no!

Not sure if serious or not, but it leads to a genuine question I've been meaning to ask...

Why is it that some people are calling for voters to get over MMG's involvement in the IRA and move past what he did all those decades ago, but many of these are the same ones who are fixated on the 18 year old letters and refuse to "get over" something which is far less morally dubious than murder?

I should state this is not me saying "get over the letters and move on". I don't think we should have to, no more than I think we should "get over" the whole IRA involvement.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:07pm

dvpower wrote: »

Welfare fraud? When did that story break?

at around 16:16 today;)

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1005/president.html

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:08pm

dvpower wrote: »

Welfare fraud? When did that story break?

Working while claiming disability allowance. I was exaggerating - should have followed it with a wink.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:10pm

I actually taught Norris was actually some bit genuine, but all he is is a fake.

He no better then the rest of them..

dvpower · 05-10-2011 6:11pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

at around 16:16 today;)
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1005/president.html

Ironé wrote: »

Working while claiming disability allowance

Ah right. That would be the welfare fraud that doesn't involve the welfare or fraud.:rolleyes:

ejmaztec · 05-10-2011 6:11pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

at around 16:16 today;)

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1005/president.html

No mention of fraud.

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:12pm

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Not sure if serious or not, but it leads to a genuine question I've been meaning to ask...

Why is it that some people are calling for voters to get over MMG's involvement in the IRA and move past what he did all those decades ago, but many of these are the same ones who are fixated on the 18 year old letters and refuse to "get over" something which is far less morally dubious than murder?

I should state this is not me saying "get over the letters and move on". I don't think we should have to, no more than I think we should "get over" the whole IRA involvement.

I'm not being serious at all - my point is that Gay Mitchell should just 'give him enough rope' and stop labouring the point. I feel with McGuiness either your Ok with it or your not. I am not personally so I'm not interested in him being badgered any further about it. It's not as if people are going to forget.

With Norris - the man has a lot more to answer in my opinion.

dvpower · 05-10-2011 6:13pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

No mention of fraud.

The only fraud is in the posts accusing Norris of it.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:14pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

No mention of fraud.

Does everything have to be spoonfed to people..

The man has been claiming disability benefit for 16 years while he been fit enough to work as a Senator..

You telling me there is nothing wrong with that???..

He no better then the guy too lazy to get off his arse and work imo

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:15pm

dvpower wrote: »

Ah right. That would be the welfare fraud that doesn't involve the welfare or fraud.:rolleyes:

I was not being serious about it - of course it was not welfare fraud. I'm sure he was legally entitled to it. I should have been clearer.

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:17pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Does everything have to be spoonfed to people..

The man has been claiming disability benefit for 16 years while he been fit enough to work as a Senator..

You telling me there is nothing wrong with that???..

He no better then the guy too lazy to get off his arse and work imo

Who knows maybe he was entitled to it? Maybe it genuinely affected his ability to earn/work? Either way he needs to provide a much better response than 'Ask Trinity' knowing full well that they can't answer.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:18pm

dvpower wrote: »

Ah right. That would be the welfare fraud that doesn't involve the welfare or fraud.:rolleyes:

lol god are people that stupid and blind...

Bannasidhe · 05-10-2011 6:18pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Does everything have to be spoonfed to people..

The man has been claiming disability benefit for 16 years while he been fit enough to work as a Senator..

You telling me there is nothing wrong with that???..

He no better then the guy too lazy to get off his arse and work imo

Lord almighty! Disability pension not benefit they are not the same thing.

Read back over the various posts put up today - the difference is explained over and over and over (and over...).

I would repost some of them, but I wouldn't want to spoonfeed you.

dvpower · 05-10-2011 6:19pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The man has been claiming disability benefit for 16 years while he been fit enough to work as a Senator..

No he hasn't. Maybe you should appraise yourself of the facts before you go any further.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:19pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Lord almighty! Disability pension not benefit they are not the same thing.

Read back over the various posts put up today - the difference is explained over and over and over (and over...).

I would repost some of them, but I wouldn't want to spoonfeed you.

clap clap great coemback:rolleyes:

efb · 05-10-2011 6:20pm

To those that spout 'Welfare Fraud' when there is none, I'd wish they'd cease and desist. They'll be the ones Whinging if boards is sued.

dvpower · 05-10-2011 6:20pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

lol god are people that stupid and blind...

Tee Hee:pac:

Bannasidhe · 05-10-2011 6:22pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

clap clap great coemback:rolleyes:

What on earth is a coemback?

RachaelVO · 05-10-2011 6:22pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Does everything have to be spoonfed to people..

The man has been claiming disability benefit for 16 years while he been fit enough to work as a Senator..

You telling me there is nothing wrong with that???..

He no better then the guy too lazy to get off his arse and work imo

Jaysus christ, try and get your fact right...

Disability PENSION,PENSION BLOODY PENSION!!! It's being paid by his previous employer Trinity College Dublin, it's a pension he contributed to, and was awarded when he was unable to teach for a long period due to his Tenure in TCD. It was a pension payable to the age of retirement! The info is out there, try educating yourself!

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:23pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Lord almighty! Disability pension not benefit they are not the same thing.

Read back over the various posts put up today - the difference is explained over and over and over (and over...).

I would repost some of them, but I wouldn't want to spoonfeed you.

Sorry I opened this can of worms was just taking the p*ss

Agree 100% with you. It's more his response on the matter - fobbing off to Trinity is just more of the same with him.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:23pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What on earth is a coemback?

lol

RachaelVO · 05-10-2011 6:25pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

lol god are people that stupid and blind...

We can only assume you're aiming that question at your good self, cos clearly you can't read the facts as they stand before you!

Ironé · 05-10-2011 6:27pm

RachaelVO wrote: »

Disability PENSION,PENSION BLOODY PENSION!!! It's being paid by his previous employer Trinity College Dublin, it's a pension he contributed to, and was awarded when he was unable to teach for a long period due to his Tenure in TCD. It was a pension payable to the age of retirement!

It baffles me why Norris didn't say something to this effect himself. He needs to stop thinking he's talking to the media but that he is talking to prospective voters.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:27pm

RachaelVO wrote: »

Jaysus christ, try and get your fact right...

Disability PENSION,PENSION BLOODY PENSION!!! It's being paid by his previous employer Trinity College Dublin, it's a pension he contributed to, and was awarded when he was unable to teach for a long period due to his Tenure in TCD. It was a pension payable to the age of retirement! The info is out there, try educating yourself!

Ok you see in your eyes and maybe lot of other people you think its ok to get a number of pensions etc..That's fine.

What I dont think is morally right is him getting paid as Senator and also getting a Pension on top of that while he works.

You, me and nobody else would get that and really if people think that is ok then well they are no better the any politician..

Aishae · 05-10-2011 6:28pm

Alot of folks seem to think he was paid a state benefit like disability allowance. It was a payment from TCD or more probably their insurers. And he worked there over 20 years before this. Where he would have made pension contributions also.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-10-2011 6:28pm

RachaelVO wrote: »

We can only assume you're aiming that question at your good self, cos clearly you can't read the facts as they stand before you!

well I am afraid its not that black and white..

But to a lot of people it is.

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