Rottweiler attack

seamus

smash wrote: »

Nail on the head really. And I hate to say it but scumbags buy scumbag dogs... Or what they perceive to be an aggressive dog. Pitbulls, dobermans, Rottweilers. And they train them to be aggressive or "guard dogs".

So the obvious solution is to lift all restrictions (thus reducing the "dangerous" reputation) and have harsher laws against people who don't act responsibly.

inforfun

Are the dogs called Zeus and Apollo and do you have a big mustache?

smash

seamus wrote: »

Which is?

The Control of Dogs Act

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/si/0442.html
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1991/en/si/0123.html

seamus

smash wrote: »

The Control of Dogs Act

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/si/0442.html
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1991/en/si/0123.html

Actually I meant "What is the reason", not "What is the law". I own a restricted breed myself, I know the law inside-out

smash

seamus wrote: »

Actually I meant "What is the reason", not "What is the law". I own a restricted breed myself, I know the law inside-out

The reason is simple, as stated already... they're seen as aggressive dog so the wrong type of people buy them, and train them to be aggressive.

lastlaugh

Rawhead wrote: »

Anyone is entitled to let a dog roam in their garden. It's the people who chain up dogs that are the people I'd be weary of. The dogs must be under control and these dogs obviously weren't but to accuse people who let a dog walk around a garden as unreasonable gives you all the hallmarks of a spa.

Letting a dog roam around your own garden is fine, but at the very least they should not be able to go onto the path outside and attack someone.

seamus

smash wrote: »

The reason is simple, as stated already... they're seen as aggressive dog so the wrong type of people buy them, and train them to be aggressive.

But they're seen as aggressive dogs because they're restricted by law

steddyeddy

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, the same is true of all dogs of every breed. A poorly socialised dog with irresponsible owners can be dangerous, no matter what the breed.

Unfortunately Rottweilers tend to attract a particular type of owner who are intentionally irresponsible. Ironically it's the fact that these dogs are restricted by law, which attracts these people more than anything else.

The dangerous dogs list in the UK (which outright banned a number of species), caused the populations of these species in the UK to skyrocket.

Yes indeed I agree one hundred per cent. I should have clarified that any breed can be dangerous without correct training.

Chris_Heilong

Jumping the gun a bit, Dogs treat people different then other dogs they naturally have a desire not to bite people(but there are a few exceptions), I dont think it would be a child next time thats stupid logic and one I always seem to hear, oh think of the Children, it is rare for dogs to attack children here and its more likely a neighbor would hurt or kill your child than a dog.

Also how did the owner see you punching his dogs for 40 sec or more and not do anything. Best thing to do is call the dog warden, that fella should not be letting his dogs off lease at all. But the guards wont do anything, no people were hurt it was only dogs.

steddyeddy

seamus wrote: »

So the obvious solution is to lift all restrictions (thus reducing the "dangerous" reputation) and have harsher laws against people who don't act responsibly.

Indeed and I cant understand why theres not more people campaigning for this.

Gal pal

willie joe wrote: »

Hi Folks,
Went out for a walk last night with my 12 yr old son and our little terrier. All was fine until two Rottweilers came out of their yard onto the road. Their owners were out aswell trying to call them in. One of the beasts went straight for our dog and grabbed it by its teeth. I immediately lunged at the Rottweiler and started frantically punching and wrestling with it to let our dog go. When it was released, after about 30/45 secs, the other Rottweiler jumped on it and did the same. After more wrestling it let go. My son was in hysterics at this stage. I have a young family and we walk this road almost daily. There's usually just one Rottweiler there roaming around not bothering anyone. There's no fence around this property. This has shook me up to thinking it could be a small child next. I do not want to cause strife with neighbours but to me this is not acceptable. What should I do?

Jesus how terrifiying for your son, he must have been traumatized to see his little dog been attacked.

We have a harmless springer spaniel who barks at everyone who walks by our house, we always keep the gate shut and he never goes out after them but a while ago when I told somebody (it was actually my doctor!!) where I lived they mentioned politely that Buster (my dog) can be quite intimidating when they walk by with their own dogs.

I've since been trying my best to get him used to other dogs, and calm him down a bit.

It's your right to walk down that road without fear of being attacked by somebody's animal. I would definitely let them know that what happened is just not good enough and you WILL be calling the dog warden.

If they truely care about their dogs, they'll take action immediately like I'm doing with Buster.

If not then hopefully animal welfare won't let them keep the dogs.

willie joe

I would not want them put down as I am an animal lover. My question is should i confront the owner or let the relevant authorities deal with it.

mikemac

Substitute the estate for a farm and the terrier for sheep and those two rottweilers would already be dead, shot on the spot.

Things are done differently in towns so call up the warden and see if the council will have them destroyed

And send this lad the vet bills for your injured dog.
Edit, I read now your dog was not injured badly, that's good

Gal pal

willie joe wrote: »

I would not want them put down as I am an animal lover. My question is should i confront the owner or let the relevant authorities deal with it.
The owner has the reputation of being a p**ck.
Also about 8 months ago, I was out walking with my 3yr old on his bike and the Rottweiler that is usually there came out to snoop about. I kept between it and my son and the owner called over to my son that, "thats a big dog and he would eat you for his breakfast". I know that he was blaggarding but I thought after, How dare he joke about something like that.

You already told him that it was the last time the dogs would be out like that, so now just ring the dog warden, maybe get a few neighbours to do the same and see what happens.

seamus

willie joe wrote: »

I would not want them put down as I am an animal lover. My question is should i confront the owner or let the relevant authorities deal with it.
The owner has the reputation of being a p**ck.
Also about 8 months ago, I was out walking with my 3yr old on his bike and the Rottweiler that is usually there came out to snoop about. I kept between it and my son and the owner called over to my son that, "thats a big dog and he would eat you for his breakfast". I know that he was blaggarding but I thought after, How dare he joke about something like that.

He's clearly just a complete asshole.

But if you confront the owner, what can you do except sling insults at eachother.

Ring the Warden. A lot of the wardens are insanely lazy, so you might have no luck. But pester him. Every time you see this dog wandering on the road, ring the warden. Even better, use a camera to take timestamped photos. I've heard anecdotally of wardens saying, "I can't do anything without proof". So gather the proof.

It will take up a lot of your time, but in the end you might actually get something done.

steddyeddy

willie joe wrote: »

I would not want them put down as I am an animal lover. My question is should i confront the owner or let the relevant authorities deal with it.
The owner has the reputation of being a p**ck.
Also about 8 months ago, I was out walking with my 3yr old on his bike and the Rottweiler that is usually there came out to snoop about. I kept between it and my son and the owner called over to my son that, "thats a big dog and he would eat you for his breakfast". I know that he was blaggarding but I thought after, How dare he joke about something like that.

Right hes not got a clue about rottwiellers if he thinks of it as a dog that would eat someone for breakfast.

biko

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cosmicfart

I live close to farms and dogs like this roam the place daily, they dont last long though as they get the taste of the local livestock and regulary come back to 'feed' at which point the get a bullet in the head. so, call ur local famer

Seachmall

willie joe wrote: »

I would not want them put down as I am an animal lover. My question is should i confront the owner or let the relevant authorities deal with it.
The owner has the reputation of being a p**ck.
Also about 8 months ago, I was out walking with my 3yr old on his bike and the Rottweiler that is usually there came out to snoop about. I kept between it and my son and the owner called over to my son that, "thats a big dog and he would eat you for his breakfast". I know that he was blaggarding but I thought after, How dare he joke about something like that.

If the dog is completely untrained it could be a danger to society depending on its age.

It may have to be put down regardless. The warden can't take the dog and let it walk off with another family if they feel it's dangerous.

There are really only 2 options:
Do nothing and hope it doesn't attack someone.
Call the Warden and the dog will probably be put down.

I know you don't want it put down but for the safety of those in the estate you need to make the call.

Gal pal

cosmicfart wrote: »

I live close to farms and dogs like this roam the place daily, they dont last long though as they get the taste of the local livestock and regulary come back to 'feed' at which point the get a bullet in the head. so, call ur local famer

So what are you suggesting exactly?? Encourage the dogs to eat livestock and then have a farmer ambush them and shoot them in the head??

KittyeeTrix

My son was bitten in the ass by an alsatian guard dog a few years ago. The dog was tied up in the back yard of his friends house and he wandered in whilst playing with his friend into the area where he (my son) shouldn't have been.

The dogs owner was so upset and offered to have the dog put down which I refused to hear of. It was not the dog or the owners fault but my sons fault for going into the dogs area in the first place.

If however the dog had been roaming around the front and had bitten my child.

bamboozle

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, the same is true of all dogs of every breed. A poorly socialised dog with irresponsible owners can be dangerous, no matter what the breed.

Unfortunately Rottweilers tend to attract a particular type of owner who are intentionally irresponsible. Ironically it's the fact that these dogs are restricted by law, which attracts these people more than anything else.

The dangerous dogs list in the UK (which outright banned a number of species), caused the populations of these species in the UK to skyrocket.

the owner sounds like a numbskull, if he's thick enough to let 2 rottweilers roam about a public road where kids pass by he deserves to have the dogs taken from him.

are you serious

What did the first rottweiler do once you wrestled it off and were wrestling with the second one?

Bullseye1

A truly awful dog owner. People like this should be precluded from owning dogs. There shouldnt be a restricted breed list there should be restricted owners list.

Hope your little mutt makes a speedy recovery and that your son was not too traumatised.

I do feel sorry for those two Rotts having an irresponsible owner who is putting their lives in danger as the Warden may remove them and be unable find a suitable home.

TooManyDogs

seamus wrote: »

Have you got proof of this? Rottweilers are very poor guard dogs. They were bred as working dogs, to pull carts and the like. This is why they're large and muscular. They have to be specifically trained as guard dogs.

They were also used as herding and stock protection dogs

ppink

willie joe wrote: »

I would not want them put down as I am an animal lover. My question is should i confront the owner or let the relevant authorities deal with it.
The owner has the reputation of being a p**ck.
Also about 8 months ago, I was out walking with my 3yr old on his bike and the Rottweiler that is usually there came out to snoop about. I kept between it and my son and the owner called over to my son that, "thats a big dog and he would eat you for his breakfast". I know that he was blaggarding but I thought after, How dare he joke about something like that.

Dont confront the owner, just the dog warden...repeatedly if necessary.

It does not matter if it is a rottweiler or a poodle, his dogs have no business interfering with anyone elses life. If the owner gave 2 hoots about his dogs they would not be allowed outside his property. I would have a freak attack if mine got out in case they caused an accident.

lrushe

Op, so sorry to hear what happened to your dog, I hope he, yourself & your son recover quickly.
I also hope this incident doesn't colour your opinion of the breed, they really are the most amazing dogs in the right hands.
I would take other people's advice & report what happened to the warden, this is precisely the type of thing he should be doing something about. Take pictures of your dogs injuries & a vet's report as evidence. Talk to your neighbours also because you can be sure if you've had some problems with this guy others have too. Best of luck!

aisher

Awful experience for your dog and your son to witness! I would contact the Dog Warden - put it in writing too as it cant be ignored so easily. Not acceptable but I do feel the dogs will suffer because of their owners which is a shame.

wolfpawnat

OP, ring the warden and the guards, the gardaí probably will not do too much if you do not wish to press charges, but good to have it on record. At the very least he is breaking the law and it is idiots like him that get these dogs on the RB list!

smash wrote: »

Rottweilers by law must wear a muzzle in a public place. This isn't because they're cute nice tempered dogs.

No it is the idea they are tough dogs because of movies like the Omen make them look menacing that has them on that list!

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, the same is true of all dogs of every breed. A poorly socialised dog with irresponsible owners can be dangerous, no matter what the breed.

Unfortunately Rottweilers tend to attract a particular type of owner who are intentionally irresponsible. Ironically it's the fact that these dogs are restricted by law, which attracts these people more than anything else.

The dangerous dogs list in the UK (which outright banned a number of species), caused the populations of these species in the UK to skyrocket.

What I find interesting is that stats are higher for the "Devil Dogs" of the RB list than any other, but talking to vets (my partner is a vet student so they cover this in college) most bites are actually from the smaller terriers and toy group dogs, in particular, the JRT and the Chihuahua, only people do not report them as often as they are the dogs elderly people keep and "sure he didn't mean it" is the excuse. But vets fear the smaller breeds to those on the RB list unless they have scumbags for owners!

That act is more about the owners than the dogs. Those who wrote the law knew people who would be getting these dogs to look tough would not be able to abide by these rules, while responsible owners would.

star-pants

Just a mod note so people don't think we're ignoring reported posts - this thread was moved from elsewhere to A&PI so it's not fair to sanction posters for things that were said before it was moved.