Falkland islands - British or Argentine?

Marcusm

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

The English are crap at naming towns and cities (Grimsby anyone?).

Amusing as Grimsby is Danish being the town belonging to Grim (a Danish name).

end of the road

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The Falkland islands will be a British dependency for as long as the Falkland islanders want it to be.

according to the british governments public stance on it but i wouldn't be surprised if behind closed doors their looking for a way to get rid of them whether it to be argentina or just to the high seas.
the Falkland islanders want? they have no right to want or no right to anything, what do they contribute to britain? or do they just leach off it?

TheStook

Give them as a gift to Switzerland and Austria for being a sound bunch of lads I say

ejmaztec

end of the road wrote: »

according to the british governments public stance on it but i wouldn't be surprised if behind closed doors their looking for a way to get rid of them whether it to be argentina or just to the high seas.
the Falkland islanders want? they have no right to want or no right to anything, what do they contribute to britain? or do they just leach off it?

Does that mean that unemployed people in the UK have no rights either because they don't contribute anything?

Fratton Fred

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Who gave the Brits the right to plant their flag, and expel the Argentinian's.

The "Brits" planted their flag a longtime before Argentina even existed.

end of the road wrote: »

they have no right to want or no right to anything, what do they contribute to britain? or do they just leach off it?

so the people of the Aran Islands should be treated the same way then?

buck65

yes

what's the Irish for GOTCHA?

end of the road

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What else was she supposed to do? Leave the Falkland islands to the mercy of a military dictatorship with an appalling human rights record?

yes, would save a hell of a lot of money in the long run, i'm sure a deal could have been done to patriate the people of the islands to britain.

Matt_Trakker

Clearly not British, Britain is an island in the north west of Europe, an island off the coast of Argentina cannot therefore belong to an island called (Great) Britain.

cocobear

cowzerp wrote: »

You've got to be joking!

She tore Working class Britain apart

Unions had it coming, striking at the drop of a hat and trying to hold the country to ransom,every five minutes for any stupid petty reason.
She was dead right, she taught the miners a lesson in manners.
If we had a leader with one tenth of her bottle we would be sorted.

ejmaztec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Clearly not British, Britain is an island in the north west of Europe, an island off the coast of Argentina cannot therefore belong to an island called (Great) Britain.

Perhaps the Americans can be persuaded to dump Alaska and Hawaii because they're too far away from Washington.

Busted Flat.

cocobear wrote: »

Unions had it coming, striking at the drop of a hat and trying to hold the country to ransom,every five minutes for any stupid petty reason.
She was dead right, she taught the miners a lesson in manners.
If we had a leader with one tenth of her bottle we would be sorted.

The world does not need so called leaders like Reagan and Thatcher again.

Fratton Fred

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Clearly not British, Britain is an island in the north west of Europe, an island off the coast of Argentina cannot therefore belong to an island called (Great) Britain.

so what exactly is a reasonable distance then? (bearing in mind it doesn't "Belong" to Great Britain, it is an overseas territory).

Or do small, sparsely populated islands with a mainly agricultural economy automatically belong to their nearest neighbour?

Matt_Trakker

ejmaztec wrote: »

Perhaps the Americans can be persuaded to dump Alaska and Hawaii because they're too far away from Washington.

I don't seem to recall the English purchasing Las Malvinas, like the Yankies did with Alaska & I'm pretty sure the residents of Hawaii chose to become part of America. The Falklands were just taken.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

so what exactly is a reasonable distance then? (bearing in mind it doesn't "Belong" to Great Britain, it is an overseas territory).

How far away are the Shetlands from the mainland?...that's your distance, I think it's about 200km, that should do the trick.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Or do small, sparsely populated islands with a mainly agricultural economy automatically belong to their nearest neighbour?

No, they don't.

It wasn't me!

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

How far away are the Shetlands from the mainland?...that's your distance, I think it's about 200km, that should do the trick.

Better get out your union flag and polish it so!

Barna77

It's Malvinas not Falkland

:pac:

ejmaztec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I don't seem to recall the English purchasing Las Malvinas, like the Yankies did with Alaska & I'm pretty sure the residents of Hawaii chose to become part of America. The Falklands were just taken.

From whom?

cherryghost

ejmaztec wrote: »

From whom?

The Dutch. They found it first.

Fratton Fred

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

How far away are the Shetlands from the mainland?...that's your distance, I think it's about 200km, that should do the trick..

so not as far as the 310 miles the Falklands are away from Argentina then. So we agree that Argentina does not have a legitimate claim then.

Matt_Trakker

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Better get out your union flag and polish it so!

lol, not likely

ejmaztec wrote: »

From whom?

Something doesn't have to 'belong' to someone for it to be taken :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred wrote: »

so not as far as the 310 miles the Falklands are away from Argentina then. So we agree that Argentina does not have a legitimate claim then.

No, we certainly do not.

ejmaztec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Something doesn't have to 'belong' to someone for it to be taken :rolleyes:

I see. The British should have reported their find to the local police station, and if no-one else claimed it within three months it would have become theirs.

Sometimes you just can't find a cop when you need one.:(

ejmaztec

cherryghost wrote: »

The Dutch. They found it first.

They fecked off and left it.:(

Matt_Trakker

ejmaztec wrote: »

I see. (

Excellent

ejmaztec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I give up, you've got me there

Excellent :P

Fratton Fred

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

No, we certainly do not.

but you said that outside of 200Kms Britain has no claim on any territory, you therefore must agree that because the Falkland Islands are over twice that distance from Argentina, they shouldn't "Belong" to Argentina.

Or are you being a hypocrite?

ejmaztec

Had there been a bit of a revolution on the Falklands 100 years ago, at the end of which the British surrendered the islands to an independent Falklands government, there would probably be 100% here saying that the Falklands didn't belong to Argentina.:pac:

InTheTrees

Winty wrote: »

I have read most posts and fail to understand why anyone would vote that the Falklands are not British.
I can see no other reason that people on boards think the islands are Argentine just to be anti British, it's very sad that people can be so blind

Here's what is especially weird...

If you're taking a knee jerk anti-brit stance then you're actually advocating that large countries in proximity to small ones have an inherent right to forcibly take that country over in spite of the "native" populations wishes.:eek:

Given our experience of history that seems a particularly idiotic stance.

Fratton Fred

Fratton Fred wrote: »

but you said that outside of 200Kms Britain has no claim on any territory, you therefore must agree that because the Falkland Islands are over twice that distance from Argentina, they shouldn't "Belong" to Argentina.

Or are you being a hypocrite?

It belongs to the people who live there. And they want to be British. More importantly, they don't want to be annexed by some lunatic Argentinean regime that is only looking to deflect from its own failings at home.

gallag

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Who gave the Brits the right to plant their flag, and expel the Argentinian's.

Most stupid post ever, break out a history book ffs, or even just read this thread, its sad that you do not realise that the British planted their flag before Argentina existed and the island was empty. I hope the person that thanked your post did so ironically. Brit hate makes people hypocritical it would seem.

cocobear

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The world does not need so called leaders like Reagan and Thatcher again.

No? A institutionalised secondary school teacher can do the job for us,
I think not
I

MadsL

gallag wrote: »

Brit hate makes people hypocritical it would seem.

Make a refreshing change from all the recent Yank hate around these parts.

However, could we be more imaginative on AH as if it is not the Brits, it's the Yanks? Let's have a pop at the Belgians, stupid Belgians making nice beer and chocolate. Mutter.

Busted Flat.

gallag wrote: »

Most stupid post ever, break out a history book ffs, or even just read this thread, its sad that you do not realise that the British planted their flag before Argentina existed and the island was empty. I hope the person that thanked your post did so ironically. Brit hate makes people hypocritical it would seem.

I would suggest you catch up on history yourself, even google it. It might broaden your mind, it certainly won't do you any harm.

The_Kew_Tour

Love Argentina and its people, but afraid Falkands is British.

Busted Flat.

cocobear wrote: »

No? A institutionalised secondary school teacher can do the job for us,
I think not
I

We will never have anyone but self centered clowns running this kip.
My post is about a two bit B Movie actor, and a right wing extremist
who just happened to be a grocer's daughter.

Marcusm

cocobear wrote: »

No? A institutionalised secondary school teacher can do the job for us,
I think not
I

I agree with the sentiment although it should be noted that he became a TD at 24 having been a national school teacher. If anything he's institutionalised in Leinster House (37 years); the country might be better off if he'd spent a few more years teaching.

Marcusm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

We will never have anyone but self centered clowns running this kip.
My post is about a two bit B Movie actor, and a right wing extremist
who just happened to be a grocer's daughter.

Grocer's daughter, Oxford graduate, research scientist and barrister; important to get all the epithets in there.

Busted Flat.

Marcusm wrote: »

Grocer's daughter, Oxford graduate, research scientist and barrister; important to get all the epithets in there.

Her education did not teach her respect for people, even her own.
So much for education.

gurramok

gallag wrote: »

Most stupid post ever, break out a history book ffs, or even just read this thread, its sad that you do not realise that the British planted their flag before Argentina existed and the island was empty. I hope the person that thanked your post did so ironically. Brit hate makes people hypocritical it would seem.

Argentina inherited the islands from Spain. It ain't Brit hate to have a different view.:rolleyes:

summerskin

gurramok wrote: »

Argentina inherited the islands from Spain. It ain't Brit hate to have a different view.:rolleyes:

Sorry but, where the fück do you get that idea from???

gurramok

summerskin wrote: »

Sorry but, where the fück do you get that idea from??? Spain never claimed the Falklands. Ever.

From earlier in the thread. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17045169

summerskin

gurramok wrote: »

From earlier in the thread. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17045169

Apologies, thought you were saying they were the initial claimants of the land and therefore rightfully able to leave them to Argentina.

tim9002

It doesn't really matter about the minor squabbling between France, Britain and Spain over the islands 200 years ago. The opinion of the people who live there now, many whose families have been there for generation is the only thing that matters now.

Busted Flat.

summerskin wrote: »

Sorry but, where the fück do you get that idea from???

Did you ever try and google the history, or try and educate yourself about the rocks. It would help you a lot, and help you to stop putting up silly posts.

Busted Flat.

tim9002 wrote: »

It doesn't really matter about the minor squabbling between France, Britain and Spain over the islands 200 years ago. The opinion of the people who live there now, many whose families have been there for generation is the only thing that matters now.

So if I go out to your house, and sit in your front garden, you will be alright with that.

tim9002

Busted Flat. wrote: »

So if I go out to your house, and sit in your front garden, you will be alright with that.

A silly comparison, I live in my house. The Falkland Islands were not inhabited until the French and British established separate settlements in the 18th century. It could argued that the French have more claim to the islands than Argentina.

Busted Flat.

tim9002 wrote: »

A silly comparison, I live in my house. The Falkland Islands were not inhabited until the French and British established separate settlements in the 18th century. It could argued that the French have more claim to the islands than Argentina.

Do you have an opinion on where Spain was involved in this.
Or could that complicate your view.

MadsL

tim9002 wrote: »

It doesn't really matter about the minor squabbling between France, Britain and Spain over the islands 200 years ago. The opinion of the people who live there now, many whose families have been there for generation is the only thing that matters now.

Much like Ulster then?




/ducks under desk

tim9002

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Do you have an opinion on where Spain was involved in this.
Or could that complicate your view.

Yes I mentioned Spain in my post above.

tim9002

MadsL wrote: »

Much like Ulster then?




/ducks under desk

Yes like Northern Ireland now, although the history of Ulster is much more complicated. The principal of self determination is now internationally recognised.

Busted Flat.

tim9002 wrote: »

Yes I mentioned Spain in my post above.[/QUO

"A silly comparison, I live in my house. The Falkland Islands were not inhabited until the French and British established separate settlements in the 18th century. It could argued that the French have more claim to the islands than Argentina."

I was replying to this post, Spain complicates things for you.

gallag

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I would suggest you catch up on history yourself, even google it. It might broaden your mind, it certainly won't do you any harm.

But you said, and I quote "Who gave the Brits the right to plant their flag, and expel the Argentinian's." Hey now, ill be the first to admit I am no history genius, probaly best I dont learn from you though.

Just to be clear, you do now understand that the British flag was on the Faulklands before Argentina excised and the island was empty so no people got expelled? And I am sure with this new knowledge you will understand why your post made you look special.