The 'Occupy Wall Street' protests

mikom

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these are the people that cause problems in the world , how are people like this allowed to exist

What would you suggest?
An overnight train journey...... a few months hard labour........... then a mass shower perhaps.

Manic Moran

My commute is bad enough without people blocking the route for unrealistic demands. Best way to get the economy back on track is to allow productivity. Sitting in traffic because people are on the bridge does not allow me to be productive at work, and costs the city lots of money I'd rather went on more important matters.

Are they also protesting against the people who willingly signed all those mortgage contracts? If the banking collapse is based on the mortgage crisis, and the mortgage crisis is based on people who were determined to get a mortgage even if on inadvisable terms, all that happened is that the banks gave people what they wanted. Bad business sense by the banks, poor regulation by the government, -and- foolish public. Far more than just wall street.

But Wall Street is an easy target...

Eric Cartman

mikom wrote: »

What would you suggest?
An overnight train journey...... a few months hard labour........... then a mass shower perhaps.

nah , just stop giving them social welfare and give them a job and as soon as they get 1 paycheck and see how much tax is dissapearing to fund layabouts theyll soon see that their crazy beliefs are wrong

ultain

Eric Cartman wrote: »

nah , just stop giving them social welfare and give them a job and as soon as they get 1 paycheck and see how much tax is dissapearing to fund layabouts theyll soon see that their crazy beliefs are wrong

So what happens when large amounts of tax monies are still disappearing, (new scape goat/s perchance?) after all these "Layabouts" are working? Comrade

Eric Cartman

ultain wrote: »

So what happens when large amounts of tax monies are still disappearing, (new scape goat/s perchance?) after all these "Layabouts" are working? Comrade

if you somehow magically created an ireland in which there were no lazy people and no large social welfare payouts to abuse then things like tax on booze, smokes etc.. would be lower , the health service would be improved and you wouldnt have stupid things like the USC , ceptic tank charges, property tax etc... your PRSI probably wouldnt go down but thered be more beneficial uses for the money

Nodin

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these people are just lazy people playing the victim card because they did nothing with their lives , the thing about lefty socialists is "give all the tax money to people who dont want to work" thats fine "give all the tax money to a company thats struggling" boooooo , they only like socialism when it suits them , Ive never met a successful socialist, it seems to be the reserve of the dregs of society


entirely deserved , the police are using non violent methods to control these protesters who consistently refuse to follow instruction, these people have no right to terrorise people coming to and from work or the police, absolute scumbags

You're a very grumpy fellow.

ultain

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if you somehow magically created an ireland in which there were no lazy people and no large social welfare payouts to abuse then things like tax on booze, smokes etc.. would be lower , the health service would be improved and you wouldnt have stupid things like the USC , ceptic tank charges, property tax etc... your PRSI probably wouldnt go down but thered be more beneficial uses for the money

fair point, but the country would need/s a government who would have the peoples interests at heart & not to be so obsessed with having huge wealth and international prestige

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if you somehow magically created an ireland in which there were no lazy people and no large social welfare payouts to abuse then things like tax on booze, smokes etc.. would be lower , the health service would be improved and you wouldnt have stupid things like the USC , ceptic tank charges, property tax etc... your PRSI probably wouldnt go down but thered be more beneficial uses for the money

Good morning, Bill O'reilly!

if you were somehow to create the Ireland you discribe, you'd be the first to complain. Proabably that people were bring greedy and corrupt and that none was stadning up and, eh, protesting...

Eric Cartman

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Good morning, Bill O'reilly!

if you were somehow to create the Ireland you discribe, you'd be the first to complain. Proabably that people were bring greedy and corrupt and that none was stadning up and, eh, protesting...

greed is good, laziness is not , thats the problem , these people want successful businessmen and other people whove made their money through effort and work to give up money to lazy people who expect something for nothing ,

its a disease the world has where they blame hard working people for having everything and take sympathy on lazy people and want to give them everything . If somebody can make a million, a billion , whatever by working that does not mean they should be open to attack and have their money taken from them through taxes or theft or whatever by these lazy ungreatful people that dont realise they could be in that position too. These losers whove never worked and never tried should be kept back with force so they cant interfere with people actually doing something with their lives

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

greed is good, laziness is not , thats the problem , these people want successful businessmen and other people whove made their money through effort and work to give up money to lazy people who expect something for nothing ,

Eh .. who are these people? Is it just some group you make up to feel good about yourself? I mean, yes, there are dole spongers, and I probaby agree with you in how they should be treated, but are you saying it's ALL of them? If not, then how any? And what are you basing this on?

its a disease the world has where they blame hard working people for having everything and take sympathy on lazy people and want to give them everything . If somebody can make a million, a billion , whatever by working that does not mean they should be open to attack and have their money taken from them through taxes or theft or whatever by these lazy ungreatful people that dont realise they could be in that position too. These losers whove never worked and never tried should be kept back with force so they cant interfere with people actually doing something with their lives

The reverse of this disease is also to blame, were you have allegedly hard working trying to blame someone else for societal problems, ring a bell? I do't disagrere abotu the "losers" as you say - and I mean the GENUINE losers - but greed and selfishness in my opinion, is just as bad as laziness. I've seen what it does to genuine hard=working people and how much profiteering can impact on a simply family-life.

And Ireland has seen what this disease can do on a grand scale. Say what you like about laziness, it didnt put us 80 billion in debt.

Eric Cartman

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Eh .. who are these people? Is it just some group you make up to feel good about yourself? I mean, yes, there are dole spongers, and I probaby agree with you in how they should be treated, but are you saying it's ALL of them? If not, then how any? And what are you basing this on?

these people are anyone who stands there not protesting a specific target that has done wrong but instead protesting 'wallstreet' or 'capitalism' or any other generic collective term which is basically a generalisation of 'people doing well' the mindset of these people seems to oppose anyone doing anything for above minimum wage , they have no notion of how economics really works , they dont know what its like to have a real job or a sense of self worth ,

most of these people grew up in middle class homes and had everything handed to them by their parents who submitted to capitalism - a not perfect economic system, but the only one that so far works . so they grow up and out of nowhere come out with economically left wing socialist ideals of if the goverment looked after everything then everyone would have this magically wonderful upbringing like they did instead of the reality of opression and poverty the USSR showed us.

The reverse of this disease is also to blame, were you have allegedly hard working trying to blame someone else for societal problems, ring a bell? I do't disagrere abotu the "losers" as you say - and I mean the GENUINE losers - but greed and selfishness in my opinion, is just as bad as laziness. I've seen what it does to genuine hard=working people and how much profiteering can impact on a simply family-life.

And Ireland has seen what this disease can do on a grand scale. Say what you like about laziness, it didnt put us 80 billion in debt.

laziness did put us in debt , it was the people too lazy to consider that 'wait this mortgage is too much ' the people who didnt read the fine print, the laziness of our minister for finance to have a look at what was happening , the recession happened for the same reasons that lazy layabouts can come out of school and make the dole a life choice , its a crack in the system , the banks found one and abused it to cause the recession, lazy people / immigrants found one and are abusing the social welfare system , we just havent seen the result of the 2nd crack yet . Its laziness by a few people that causes all this , but the blame isnt with capitalism or people in high paying jobs on wall street, the root of the problem is a few lazy people not doing their jobs regulating banks and another few lazy people who thought the good times would never end

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these people are anyone who stands there not protesting a specific target that has done wrong but instead protesting 'wallstreet' or 'capitalism' or any other generic collective term which is basically a generalisation of 'people doing well' the mindset of these people seems to oppose anyone doing anything for above minimum wage , they have no notion of how economics really works , they dont know what its like to have a real job or a sense of self worth ,

If they're that lazy, how come they managed to get motived for a long protest?

Everythign else yo say is mindless speculation whcih you still have not backed up. I find it hypocrtical of you to blnakly accuse protesters of blindly and baselessly protesting an institutino, when you yourself have blindly baselessly condemned them en masse. Your arguemnt is based on nothiong more than guesswork and specualtion.

most of these people grew up in middle class homes and had everything handed to them by their parents who submitted to capitalism - a not perfect economic system, but the only one that so far works . so they grow up and out of nowhere come out with economically left wing socialist ideals of if the goverment looked after everything then everyone would have this magically wonderful upbringing like they did instead of the reality of opression and poverty the USSR showed us.

Again, all blind specualtion.

laziness did put us in debt , it was the people too lazy to consider that 'wait this mortgage is too much ' the people who didnt read the fine print, the laziness of our minister for finance to have a look at what was happening , the recession happened for the same reasons that lazy layabouts can come out of school and make the dole a life choice , its a crack in the system , the banks found one and abused it to cause the recession, lazy people / immigrants found one and are abusing the social welfare system , we just havent seen the result of the 2nd crack yet . Its laziness by a few people that causes all this , but the blame isnt with capitalism or people in high paying jobs on wall street, the root of the problem is a few lazy people not doing their jobs regulating banks and another few lazy people who thought the good times would never end

You're not really familiar with the measign of the word laziness. If anything, repalceing the word "laziness" with the word "greed" would make far more accurate. The mortgage holders, the minister for Finance were guilty of greed far more than laziness. A certain degree of hard work is needed and completely contradictory to laziness. They could be guilty of niavety, even ignorance, yes, but not laziness. If they were lazy, they would never had held ministerial positions or mortgages in the first place.

Laziness, in this instance, is merely a badly-placed buzzword.

Overheal

Most people know I'm all about fighting the power and very much against police brutality and censorship and everything else - but for the life of me, I just don't see the gravitas here. Perhaps I'm not looking correctly, but it seems like a bunch of misplaced whinging to me.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these people are just lazy people playing the victim card because they did nothing with their lives , the thing about lefty socialists is "give all the tax money to people who dont want to work" thats fine "give all the tax money to a company thats struggling" boooooo , they only like socialism when it suits them , Ive never met a successful socialist, it seems to be the reserve of the dregs of society


entirely deserved , the police are using non violent methods to control these protesters who consistently refuse to follow instruction, these people have no right to terrorise people coming to and from work or the police, absolute scumbags

You obviously watched a different clip to the one I watched. They were fairly under control.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

greed is good, laziness is not , thats the problem , these people want successful businessmen and other people whove made their money through effort and work to give up money to lazy people who expect something for nothing ,

its a disease the world has where they blame hard working people for having everything and take sympathy on lazy people and want to give them everything . If somebody can make a million, a billion , whatever by working that does not mean they should be open to attack and have their money taken from them through taxes or theft or whatever by these lazy ungreatful people that dont realise they could be in that position too. These losers whove never worked and never tried should be kept back with force so they cant interfere with people actually doing something with their lives

You haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Tyrant^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iNyMr6VmGJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=moD2JnGTToA

Excessive force right there

Eric Cartman

Tyrant^ wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iNyMr6VmGJo

we have no idea what he said to the officer, also they were all being moved back and he wouldnt move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=moD2JnGTToA

Excessive force right there

they were moving everyone back and those 2 women wouldnt move , also the fact they try to play on emotion by using the word 'female' in the title of the video is quite disturbing

Eric Cartman

Canaan Agreeable Sample wrote: »

You haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

please elaborate

mickydoomsux

Tyrant^ wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iNyMr6VmGJo

The cop pushed him back and yet he stayed there up in his face with his hands raised up standing apart from the rest of the protestors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=moD2JnGTToA

Once again, asked to move and didn't. Didn't necessarily need to pepper spray them because they got other people as well but it beats having a 170lb cop wrestling a 90lb woman to the ground.

Tyrant^

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they were moving everyone back and those 2 women wouldnt move , also the fact they try to play on emotion by using the word 'female' in the title of the video is quite disturbing

Moving them back where ? They were on the side walk.
They actually look like they are cornered for the first few seconds.
And the bald guy at the end has a "Wtf he do that for" face


Ah... People see what they want to see

nyarlothothep

FYI

http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm?TB_iframe=true&height=580&width=850

mickydoomsux

Have read through this and see what else JP Morgan does.

Helping war vets get back to work, making charitable donations of millions and providing funding for community projects in America and around the world.

More than the little scrotes protesting will ever do.

Tyrant^

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The cop pushed him back and yet he stayed there up in his face with his hands raised up standing apart from the rest of the protestors.

The cop pushed him back and the guy stayed where he landed. The guy shows the palms of his hands indicating he is no threat ... then the officer takes him down.

Also, the point he pushed him back to there are actually other protesters in front of him and beside the officer so its not as if he was crossing an invisible line.

Zebra3

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Have read through this and see what else JP Morgan does.

Helping war vets get back to work, making charitable donations of millions and providing funding for community projects in America and around the world.

More than the little scrotes protesting will ever do.

The Nazis built great roads.

More than you'll ever do. :rolleyes:

naldface

Zebra3 wrote: »

The Nazis built great roads.

More than you'll ever do. :rolleyes:

What is the name of the wolf?

mickydoomsux

Zebra3 wrote: »

The Nazis built great roads.

More than you'll ever do. :rolleyes:

See, it's this kind of idiotic nonsense that makes normal people not take the protestor-mentality seriously.

You're comparing a private financial firm set up to make a profit to a facist regime that killed an estimated 6 million people in concentration camps.

naldface

mickydoomsux wrote: »

See, it's this kind of idiotic nonsense that makes normal people not take the protestor-mentality seriously.

You're comparing a private financial firm set up to make a profit to a facist regime that killed an estimated 6 million people in concentration camps.

I have no superior knowledge nor the desire to claim so. You're 100% about the upper That's horrible. I don't think she is an honest person.

Zebra3

mickydoomsux wrote: »

See, it's this kind of idiotic nonsense that makes normal people not take the protestor-mentality seriously.

You're comparing a private financial firm set up to make a profit to a facist regime that killed an estimated 6 million people in concentration camps.

And it was private companies motivated purely by greed who done business with the Nazis regardless of what they done.

It's stuff like that has people out protesting.

But you seem not to give a damn so long as people are making money and regardles of how they do it, be it throw destroying other people's lives or through financial speculating.

Zebra3

naldface wrote: »

What is the name of the wolf?

Noble wolf?

naldface

Zebra3 wrote: »

Noble wolf?

Yes, I think so.

Eric Cartman

Zebra3 wrote: »

And it was private companies motivated purely by greed who done business with the Nazis regardless of what they done.

It's stuff like that has people out protesting.

But you seem not to give a damn so long as people are making money and regardles of how they do it, be it throw destroying other people's lives or through financial speculating.

but the people who the protesters are terrorizing don't matter ?

ed2hands

mickydoomsux wrote: »

See, it's this kind of idiotic nonsense that makes normal people not take the protestor-mentality seriously.

What is a normal person? You?

And what is "the protester-mentality"?

SafeSurfer

A more effective protest against the kleptocracy that rampant unregulated financial institutions have made of western societies would be the organisation of flash mobs to turn up at random banks and withdraw all their deposits.

It would soon become apparant that their is no wizard behind the curtain.

Zebra3

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but the people who the protesters are terrorizing don't matter ?

Quit the melodramatics, will you? :rolleyes:

Tyrant^

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but the people who the protesters are terrorizing don't matter ?

I could see it as being a inconvenience for the average person, not terrorizing.
Its not a riot.

mickydoomsux

ed2hands wrote: »

What is a normal person? You?

The people who are viewing these protest as what they are. A bunch of spoiled first-worlders complaining about how things aren't "fair "

And what is "the protester-mentality"?

The same people show up to most of these types of protest. Students, Anonymous, various union types, hippies who can let go of the past, anti-Capitalists and hipsters who want to be seen as activists fighting for a cause because Facebook/Twitter told them to.

Tyrant^

first_official_statement_from_the_occupy_wall_street_movement

Planned protest locations across the USA

Zebra3

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The people who are viewing these protest as what they are. A bunch of spoiled first-worlders complaining about how things aren't "fair "



The same people show up to most of these types of protest. Students, Anonymous, various union types, hippies who can let go of the past, anti-Capitalists and hipsters who want to be seen as activists fighting for a cause because Facebook/Twitter told them to.

Maybe they are pi**ed off with the wide scale tax avoision by rich corporations, the theft of money from the taxpayers to private gamblers, and the rampant corruption among the business and political elite in their country.

But you reckon they're not entitled to protest cos they have an iPod? :rolleyes:

Eric Cartman

Zebra3 wrote: »

Maybe they are pi**ed off with the wide scale tax avoision by rich corporations, the theft of money from the taxpayers to private gamblers, and the rampant corruption among the business and political elite in their country.

But you reckon they're not entitled to protest cos they have an iPod? :rolleyes:

tax avoision is not a crime , everybody does it , but suddenly when its a corporation then 'ohhh noo its terrible'

business corruption sorts itself out , these people are not protesting goverment corruption

if these people really wanted to protest theyd get rid of all their corporate produced clothes, move out of their parents capitalism paid for house , get rid of their ipods and megaphones and all the other things made by this 'evil' called capitalism , then they would organise together and go live in some commune somewhere and survive by themselves ,

the fact they show up to protest the very thing that gave them a comfortable lifestyle is laughable

SafeSurfer

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The people who are viewing these protest as what they are. A bunch of spoiled first-worlders complaining about how things aren't "fair "



The same people show up to most of these types of protest. Students, Anonymous, various union types, hippies who can let go of the past, anti-Capitalists and hipsters who want to be seen as activists fighting for a cause because Facebook/Twitter told them to.

Is that you Mr. Lebowski?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq0QJOLbl2E&feature=related

mickydoomsux

Zebra3 wrote: »

Maybe they are pi**ed off with the wide scale tax avoision by rich corporations, the theft of money from the taxpayers to private gamblers, and the rampant corruption among the business and political elite in their country.

But you reckon they're not entitled to protest cos they have an iPod? :rolleyes:

This may come as a shock to you but not everyone is equal.

They never have been and they never will be. Being a whiny bitch about it just makes you look deluded.

It's not fair, it's reality and no amount of protest will change it. The people you are protesting about/against don't care.

EDIT: As Eric said, stop using their products/services if you really want them to notice you.

SafeSurfer

mickydoomsux wrote: »

This may come as a shock to you but not everyone is equal.

They never have been and they never will be. Being a whiny bitch about it just makes you look deluded.

Yeah Nelson Mandela sure looks like a whiny deluded bitch right now. :rolleyes:

AhSureTisGrand

Eric Cartman wrote: »

tax avoision is not a crime

Tax evasion is, by definition, a crime. Tax avoidance, by definition, is not. The terms are incompatible so this portmanteau you have here needs to sort itself out

mickydoomsux

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yeah Nelson Mandela sure looks like a whiny deluded bitch right now. :rolleyes:

We're comparing the camera phone wielding douches in New York to Nelson Mandela now are we?

SafeSurfer

mickydoomsux wrote: »

We're comparing the camera phone wielding douches in New York to Nelson Mandela now are we?

Eh, no. We are debating your assertion that

"not everyone is equal.

They never have been and they never will be. Being a whiny bitch about it just makes you look deluded.

It's not fair, it's reality and no amount of protest will change it. The people you are protesting about/against don't care."

Tyrant^

mickydoomsux wrote: »

This may come as a shock to you but not everyone is equal.

Not yet. Social stratification will pass just like ... slavery in ancient world ... and racial segregation in the USA and India.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

They never have been and they never will be. Being a whiny bitch about it just makes you look deluded.

It's not fair, it's reality and no amount of protest will change it.

If every human being in history had that same attitude... I think we would still be in caves right now.

ultain

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The people who are viewing these protest as what they are. A bunch of spoiled first-worlders complaining about how things aren't "fair "



The same people show up to most of these types of protest. Students, Anonymous, various union types, hippies who can let go of the past, anti-Capitalists and hipsters who want to be seen as activists fighting for a cause because Facebook/Twitter told them to.

Have to agree..best way to make a change is get in to main stream politics & try create real change..I would like to think the real "hippies" of today can play the game with losing sight of their aims, one or two doing some sterling work these days in mother Ireland

Zebra3

Eric Cartman wrote: »

tax avoision is not a crime , everybody does it , but suddenly when its a corporation then 'ohhh noo its terrible'

I never said it was. But if you had any understanding of how things work "at the top", you'd know that favours (like tax breaks) are given on a nod and a wink basis.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

business corruption sorts itself out

Laughable beyond belief. :rolleyes:

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if these people really wanted to protest theyd get rid of all their corporate produced clothes, move out of their parents capitalism paid for house , get rid of their ipods and megaphones and all the other things made by this 'evil' called capitalism , then they would organise together and go live in some commune somewhere and survive by themselves ,

the fact they show up to protest the very thing that gave them a comfortable lifestyle is laughable

How do you know all these people live in their parents' houses and have iPods? Do you know all these people personally?

Or are you just making crap up?

mickydoomsux wrote: »

This may come as a shock to you but not everyone is equal.

It doesn't.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

They never have been and they never will be. Being a whiny bitch about it just makes you look deluded.

It's not fair, it's reality and no amount of protest will change it. The people you are protesting about/against don't care.

EDIT: As Eric said, stop using their products/services if you really want them to notice you.

Nobody is asking that the world be put on an equilibrium, they are just looking for a more balanced, fairer society.

Maybe those people have stopped using their services and are just trying to encourage more to do so. You don't know those people and stop pretending that you do. :rolleyes:

Tyrant^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX9GTUMh490&feature=related

"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules, and they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify and vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as crazy, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."

Awesome people in the video : Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Orville Wright, Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein

Tyrant^

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these people are not protesting goverment corruption

Wrong...

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

Source

This demand seems to capture the current national mood because cleaning up corruption in Washington is something all Americans, right and left, yearn for and can stand behind. If we hang in there, 20,000-strong, week after week against every police and National Guard effort to expel us from Wall Street, it would be impossible for Obama to ignore us. Our government would be forced to choose publicly between the will of the people and the lucre of the corporations.

Source

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

please elaborate

Not aimed at me, I know, but I do belive I did.