Deer letting in ISD. €6000???????

fodda

Moby all it needs is someone who knows what they are doing. If it ever happens ..........It does not mean that local shooters lose out!

But the worst thing anybody can do is tell someone they cant do this or threaten them by saying if you have a problem with a fox dont come running to me for help. ...(example not implying anything from anybody)

Just let things evolve naturally and you will see that paying people cant be there all the time and in every place and farmers will learn that they need locals on their side aswell.

And poaching is a def no-no. As you can see from other threads nobody is in favour of it.

Longranger

I'm offering places on my permissions,€20 per grey crow,€30 per magpie, €50 for rabbit. Woodcock, snipe, pheasant or other,just leave the Range Rover! Now, any takers? ? Sorry, just getting on the bandwagon before the farmer cops on!

johngalway

Longranger wrote: »

I'm offering places on my permissions,€20 per grey crow,€30 per magpie, €50 for rabbit. Woodcock, snipe, pheasant or other,just leave the Range Rover! Now, any takers? ? Sorry, just getting on the bandwagon before the farmer cops on!

If that's what you're paying shooters to shoot them for you, I'm in

meathshooter1

thats Ireland for you,paying to take care of someone else problem ,the Range rover mob as usual trying to *uck it up for everyone

Longranger

johngalway wrote: »

If that's what you're paying shooters to shoot them for you, I'm in

Nice one John, when my six numbers come up;DSeriously though,the whole deer situation is turning into a pisstake. I was asking advice about deer rifles recently,but now I think I'll just treat myselr to nice,sh!t hot .223 and stick to the small stuff. I agree with a few earlier posts saying that a friendly word with a few farmers can give great results, but the attitude of some would put a man off it for life.

kieran1141

have 29 private farms to shoot for deer in north tipp, clare and galway and all the farmers where i shoot want nothing got to do with payment for shooting they tell me it can get very dirty, drawing the tax and vat man on top of them, wont say the 29 of them but the regular ones i speak to 15 to 20 of them all say shoot away, just keep them off there grass, a few lads last year from up the country called into about 6 or 7 of these farms said they would look after the farmer, did,nt say how much and they would repair fencing,thank god the got the run. hope it stays that way..

LostCovey

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

.NO semi or pumps!!Whats the difference wether one shot comes out of a different barrel or two out of the same??:rolleyes::mad:.Dress code of shirt &tie and jacket!!

Well I agree. There';s nothing better than a semi-automatic or a pump action shotgun to let a grain-fed pheasant know they gotta work for a living, this ain't Buckinghamshire. Looking down their noses at over and unders too, I wouldn't wonder. Snobs the lot of them.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Starting at a lesiurely and late 9:30 after breakfast.FFS.

Dead right, what do these people think they are on - a shooting HOLIDAY!!!???? This casual attitude really riles me up. A proper shooting holiday should sound like the Blitz from dawn.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Couldnt care less what you shoot, or how you dress

Thats my kind of shootin', man, stick on yer Hawaiian shirt, and a pair of Bermudas, get yer semiautomatic filled up, and its open season on EVERYTHING. Oh yeah, I like the sound of Hungary, dude. This is a country that knows what its wildlife can stand up to, and lets 'em have it.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Appx a euro per bird,and you get the pick of those you want to take home,gutted and plucked as well.

Well that's more like it. A pheasant should cost a quarter of the price of a chinese baterry reared broiler on a polystyrene tray in Tesco shouldn't it? Its all protein too.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Laid out correctly at the end of the day as well for inspection in braces.

Wonderful. I hate when my shoot staff just pile it up for a trophy shot.

The way this country is going, I think we will soon be able to have these kind of shoots here, like we had in the 70s, with the fat German shooters and the supercilious French ones hiring us peasants to sit in the back of a van stinking of wet dogs, to spent a few hours trudging around beating Woodcock for them and flicking a 50p to us in the evening, so we can buy a bag of chips while they go to the Hotel for duck a l'orange.

I like your style Grizzly, I'm on this journey to a very Hungary ireland right alongside ya pal!

LostCovey

Grizzly 45

I take it LC you are trying to extract the urine from said post of mine???:p

Looking down their noses at over and unders too, I wouldn't wonder. Snobs the lot of them.
Just about...:)

Dead right, what do these people think they are on - a shooting HOLIDAY!!!???? This casual attitude really riles me up. A proper shooting holiday should sound like the Blitz from dawn.

err yeah...If I was paying IRISH prices I'd want to be out and about,and if I want to laze about in bed all day ,I can do that any weekend here.BTW dont go on a shooting holiday then in Europe for anything LC.We are usually up and out at 04:30 for deer or boar.The Europeans still laugh at the Irish who cant get to work before 0900!! We are still precived as late risers over there.

Thats my kind of shootin', man, stick on yer Hawaiian shirt, and a pair of Bermudas, get yer semiautomatic filled up, and its open season on EVERYTHING. Oh yeah, I like the sound of Hungary, dude. This is a country that knows what its wildlife can stand up to, and lets 'em have it

You might find it a bit cold here or over there:D BUT....
I couldnt care less if you want to go shooing in a pair of wellies and your birthday suit with a Saiga12 with 20 round drum magazine!!! You are paying for it!!And the customer is always right...as You have the money,and my job is to relive it from you as painless and as pleasently as possible.Not create artifical barriers of snobbery and archaic ideas from a 100 years ago for you to keep your money.
Yeah they do know all right what it can take!! Seeing they invest,as does the state back into it to ensure they have a viable shooting industry

Well that's more like it. A pheasant should cost a quarter of the price of a chinese baterry reared broiler on a polystyrene tray in Tesco shouldn't it? Its all protein too.

Does it give you an idea then how much we are being bent over ,spread and being shafted without any lube here then STILL ????:p

Wonderful. I hate when my shoot staff just pile it up for a trophy shot.

Glad you have "your staff":rolleyes: properly educated then to this!!! As I've never seen it being done to european traditions of respect for the shot game.So tell us..How is driven game laid out after the day and in what order facing what compass direction??
Who addresses the assembled hunting party guests first about the days shoot??Is it the [a] Head beater cheif huntsman/gamekeeper[c] shoot host?
Who responds from the guests?
You want archaic formality in shoots,go to a European driven game shoot.At least there it has some sense of tradition and respect to the shot birds and beasts.Not out of snobbery.

The way this country is going, I think we will soon be able to have these kind of shoots here, like we had in the 70s, with the fat German shooters and the supercilious French ones hiring us peasants to sit in the back of a van stinking of wet dogs, to spent a few hours trudging around beating Woodcock for them and flicking a 50p to us in the evening, so we can buy a bag of chips while they go to the Hotel for duck a l'orange.

Thats very Irish!! You moan about the tips you get on top no doubt of the payment you got for the days beating from the shoot too??50p in the 1970s is worth about with inflation over 30 years about a fifteen quid in todays money... Poor mouth how are you!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
You also epitomise another major fault of us Irish in that last comment as well..
We do NOT like being in a servile role!!EG" I'm an Irish waiter or whatever..My God ,am I going to make your dining experiance as miserable as possible ,as I must serve the likes of you your food!!How degrading for me is that!!"

BTW your reference to "Fat Germans"... I forgot you are Irish there for a sec and as it was said so nicely by Brendan Gleeson in the film "The Gaurd.." "I'm Irish,sure rascism is part of my culture".

Maybe you should have taken up the working conditions with your lord..er..sorry boss about the bad tips and conditions.A VAN to transport ye all!!Luxury!! I had to walk miles as an apprentice,usually lugging a half dozen hares and 10 to12 braces of pheasents as well..
On the Continent the tradition is the
shoot host picks up the bill for feeding and watering the beaters,dogmen,dogs
and fellow hunters down in the local pub or out in the field with beer and soup or a grill of simple fare in which everyone nosebags together.
As he lowliest apprentice beater is as important to the team as the best shot on the hunt[ The hunter king...He/She ends up buying all the drinks too BTW:D]


Of course we must adapt to the countries traditions that you hunt in,and if the Irish shoot host doesnt want the underlings and peasentry at table or in sight..Another quaint Irish shooting custom adapted from the English overlords no doubt:rolleyes:

BTW us Irish are the most miserable hoors to tip as well,we still grumbled when a latte in Dublin cost 6euros a few years ago about tipping then....And didnt WE lord it up over the Poles,
Lithuanians and whatnot who served us fine Irish lords and ladies our food and drink when we HAD money that wasnt ours to fling around in the Celtic Tiger??The difference in being served by them compared by our own was as different as nite and day!!

Dont worry about miserable tips,having to get up early to do a days work or being not invited to dine with the paying guests either.
Irelands measure has been WELL taken now...
Still overpriced,offers little, and still lousy begrudging service.Boy Will we stack them in here with those attitudes!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I like your style Grizzly, I'm on this journey to a very Hungary ireland right alongside ya pal!

Great...Because we could learn alot from them.They only suffered under an oppressive Communist regime for fifty odd years which would make anything oppressive we had in Ireland look like a paradise!!!Funny that within 20 years of throwing off the yoke of communism they have a better grasp of capitalism and economy than what we had in 90 years of free markets.

Deerspotter

This has all gotten a little too intellectual for me... :rolleyes:

mister gullible

Hows about a 30 word limit for messages:rolleyes:

Longranger

mister gullible wrote: »

Hows about a 30 word limit for messages:rolleyes:

That is what Twitter is for. This is a serious forum where we deal with serious issues(mostly;)). You can't usually do that in thirty words,or three hundred sometimes for that matter:D

GixxerThou

Forgive me for being old fashioned but I kinda like the formality of a driven shoot. Makes it an occasion to be remembered rather than just a day shooting a load of pheasants. Good craic and banter over the sloe gin etc.. suppose its not for everyone though but if I had the money I would spend it on driven shooting in this country and I would consider it good value.

4gun

If someone wants to offer a farmer money for permission that otherwise may be given free that is their business, you know what they say about fools and their money
mainly what these lads are doing is looking for exclusive rights to the shooting. This is the greed part

landkeeper

i don't think exclusive rights are all bad sometimes exclusive right mean that the deer herd on that land are managed properly , a good stag might get left for a few years to spread his genetics rather than being shot as soon as he is seen
time and again i have seen stags and bucks shot because they had a good head just because they were there and before the next lad got him
greed works both ways and a lot of the time to the detriment of the deer herd

fodda

4gun wrote: »

If someone wants to offer a farmer money for permission that otherwise may be given free that is their business, you know what they say about fools and their money
mainly what these lads are doing is looking for exclusive rights to the shooting. This is the greed part

4gun that's how a shooting business or shooting syndicate works. They arent going to put thousands into something and then let any tom, dick or harry go shooting their game or whatever. People who do this certainly arent fools, if they were i doubt they would have the money to offer in the first place:)

4gun

fodda wrote: »

4gun that's how a shooting business or shooting syndicate works. They arent going to put thousands into something and then let any tom, dick or harry go shooting their game or whatever. People who do this certainly arent fools, if they were i doubt they would have the money to offer in the first place:)

I am not saying that people who pay for Caoilte leases are fools ...ok

thats a commercial entity from the start and people are aware what they are getting into straight from the start..I was offered a couple this year and had I the cash I would have had a go on them

What I said was people who offer money for something that might otherwise be given free are fools
and Yes I think that it is pure greed and try to grab the exclusive rights to something that otherwise would be free to any one who asks permission
I dont believe the BS that they are trying to "manage" the deer properly what they are doing is making sure there are plenty of deer available to them

Birdnuts

Deerspotter wrote: »

This has all gotten a little too intellectual for me... :rolleyes:

Don't worry - join me in sitting back and enjoying the spectre of 2 of the intellectual giants of boards slugging it out on the hunting forum, like 2 prize stags during the rut!!:cool::D;)

GixxerThou

4gun wrote: »

I am not saying that people who pay for Caoilte leases are fools ...ok

thats a commercial entity from the start and people are aware what they are getting into straight from the start..I was offered a couple this year and had I the cash I would have had a go on them

What I said was people who offer money for something that might otherwise be given free are fools
and Yes I think that it is pure greed and try to grab the exclusive rights to something that otherwise would be free to any one who asks permission
I dont believe the BS that they are trying to "manage" the deer properly what they are doing is making sure there are plenty of deer available to them

Perhaps some arent interested in managing deer properly but I can assure you that some are and its not BS. I pay for exclusive rights on ground to try and ensure that when I go for a shot there isnt a heap of other lads already there, or have been there the night before. It means that when I go I'm confident of seeing a few animals and if I see a decent young stag and chose not to shoot him that a lad wont come in hours behind me and shoot it.. I only get a chance to get out once maybe twice a week and when I do I like to give myself the best opportunity of at least seeing something and if that means paying a few pound to make sure I'm the only stalker on that ground then does this make me a greedy fool who is easily parted with his money???

moby30

I'm glad my reputation and good work allow me to get shooting and exclusive rights without having to pay anyone for it.Like others have said people have offered money to some of the permissions I have and were told where to go.

arrowloopboy

4gun wrote: »

If someone wants to offer a farmer money for permission that otherwise may be given free that is their business, you know what they say about fools and their money
mainly what these lads are doing is looking for exclusive rights to the shooting. This is the greed part

4gun,everything was once free until someone offered to pay for it,and exclusive rights dosen't equate to greed ,it just means if you bodder getting up at 5 and driving for an hour or two that the sh1te isn't shot out of your wood/hill when you get there.I'm quite busy ,if i put in the effort of making it to 1 my woods,i want to see or shoot an animal.If you've plenty of time on your hands and can shoot every day this mightn't be as important.

tomcat220t

moby30 wrote: »

I'm glad my reputation and good work allow me to get shooting and exclusive rights without having to pay anyone for it.Like others have said people have offered money to some of the permissions I have and were told where to go.

Im in shock as to how many guys a having to pay for exclusive rights to stalking land :eek:.Im sure then,there are other shooters who pay and share stalking ground ?Are theses 1 year leases or more?

4gun

GixxerThou wrote: »

Perhaps some arent interested in managing deer properly but I can assure you that some are and its not BS. I pay for exclusive rights on ground to try and ensure that when I go for a shot there isnt a heap of other lads already there, or have been there the night before. It means that when I go I'm confident of seeing a few animals and if I see a decent young stag and chose not to shoot him that a lad wont come in hours behind me and shoot it.. I only get a chance to get out once maybe twice a week and when I do I like to give myself the best opportunity of at least seeing something and if that means paying a few pound to make sure I'm the only stalker on that ground then does this make me a greedy fool who is easily parted with his money???

That same stag might just as well wander onto the next permission and get shot there
Deer are very elusive and when on a stalk if I dont see one, personally I believe its not because there aren't any around it just that the deer were better at hiding than I am at stalking:rolleyes:
If you choose not to shoot and animal thats your perogitive but to do your best to prevent others from shooting it by offering the farmer money for what he might naturally give as gratitutity is unfair to other stalkers...
The deer do not belong to anyone, should farmers be expected to get paid for allowing some one to visit some old ruins on their land or just to go hill walking? If the request payment where would you draw the line 1000, 5000, 10000 euros ..if every farmer wanted payment, what then? it seems to me to be the best way to go about getting deer over exploited

arrowloopboy wrote: »

4gun,everything was once free until someone offered to pay for it,and exclusive rights dosen't equate to greed ,it just means if you bodder getting up at 5 and driving for an hour or two that the sh1te isn't shot out of your wood/hill when you get there.I'm quite busy ,if i put in the effort of making it to 1 my woods,i want to see or shoot an animal.If you've plenty of time on your hands and can shoot every day this mightn't be as important.

so you expect to shoot a deer every time you go stalking I often drive two hours to go shooting and even though I might see plenty of deer a clean shot might not present itself or I might not see any deer at all,
that just the natue of hunting same with fishing if you are into that as well

I go shooting as often as funds allow nothing to do with the time I have on my hands all weather rain hail snow and ice I do it because I enjoy it getting a deer is a bonus but its not the be all and end all for me


Look if you guys feel you have to pay a farmer to shoot his land thats your business, what you do with your money is nobody business. but when someone comes in with a bigger wad ..and there is always some one with more cash, how are you going to feel then
As Poulo said on a earlier post you can get gerat stalking by being polite and knocking on doors, every farmer I have encountered are as equally obliging

Tackleberrywho

tomcat220t wrote: »

Im in shock as to how many guys a having to pay for exclusive rights to stalking land :eek:.Im sure then,there are other shooters who pay and share stalking ground ?Are theses 1 year leases or more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_iQZiVD_zA

Some of the Older guys may get a kick out of this

This is what my Farmer friends say to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmyzFsYEdco

But real Hunting?

I have shot FREE Deer in , Longford,Westmeath,Laois,DUBLIN and not for the lack of trying hunted FREE in Kerry, Kildare, Galway, Meath and soon to be Donegal.

The experiences and friendships made were priceless and the memories will never leave me.

I paid to shoot in America as it was cheaper than buying a rifle.
That is the ONLY Time I paid for it.



I look forward to shooting Sika in Wickla and Reds in Donegal/Kerry this winter on FREE permissions.

Why can I do this?
Because I always show respect and appreciation to anyone who looks after me, not because I am motivated by the Dolla

SIMPLES

tomcat220t

Deer will be still around when we are all long gone .....paying for stalking land is out of nessecity imo,not deer management .

wirehairmax

Anyone paying for land like this must be hoping to make money from it, either by
a)shooting every deer in the area and selling for venison
b)selling ''guided'' stalking to tourists
c)buying the lease and sub-letting to all and sundry

Anybody paying excessively like this, is not doing it for the love of the sport. Its being treated as a way to make easy money with venison prices ridiculously high at the moment and stalking land at a premium. Anyone subletting from a stranger advertising stalking to let would really want to do their homework first. If the let is that good, you would think that the less guns stalking it would mean more deer for the guy(s) that leased it originally. Theres been a few advertised here and I'd love to know how the sub-leasee's are getting on. I had a chance on a Coillte lease and turned it down as there was probably a dozen guns stalking it and not a dozen deer on it and the guy that was leasing it does guided stalking tourism. Hard to get good value stalking from that woods I'd say.

arrowloopboy

wirehairmax wrote: »

Anyone paying for land like this must be hoping to make money from it, either by
a)shooting every deer in the area and selling for venison
b)selling ''guided'' stalking to tourists
c)buying the lease and sub-letting to all and sundry

Anybody paying excessively like this, is not doing it for the love of the sport. Its being treated as a way to make easy money with venison prices ridiculously high at the moment and stalking land at a premium. Anyone subletting from a stranger advertising stalking to let would really want to do their homework first. If the let is that good, you would think that the less guns stalking it would mean more deer for the guy(s) that leased it originally. Theres been a few advertised here and I'd love to know how the sub-leasee's are getting on. I had a chance on a Coillte lease and turned it down as there was probably a dozen guns stalking it and not a dozen deer on it and the guy that was leasing it does guided stalking tourism. Hard to get good value stalking from that woods I'd say.

You forgot option D ,2 or 3 friends that love stalking get together,throw 2 or 3 grand in apiece,they have their own wood and can shoot it at the drop of a hat,instead of sharing with god knows how many,and getting a rota at the start of the year which didn't include any days during the rut.
Its 6K lads not 6 million,split 2 or 3 ways ,its not massive money to some.

iwsf

why everything has to be about making money ?
Why would somebody paying for a lease for whatever money start the season with the idea of making a profit. Hunting is for pleasure , this is not work !

cavan shooter

arrowloopboy wrote: »

You forgot option D ,2 or 3 friends that love stalking get together,throw 2 or 3 grand in apiece,they have their own wood and can shoot it at the drop of a hat,instead of sharing with god knows how many,and getting a rota at the start of the year which didn't include any days during the rut.
Its 6K lads not 6 million,split 2 or 3 ways ,its not massive money to some.

Theres loving stalking and loving stalking....that kinda money you will get better stalking and a life time trip in Scotland/Alaska Anywhere:D

Of course its always about Money...

How many deer a year does an average hunter get from a lease? 5???
Divide that answer by the price you pay and you have a cost per animal?

arrowloopboy

iwsf wrote: »

why everything has to be about making money ?
Why would somebody paying for a lease for whatever money start the season with the idea of making a profit. Hunting is for pleasure , this is not work !

Its just some guys know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Sika98k

iwsf wrote: »

why everything has to be about making money ?
Why would somebody paying for a lease for whatever money start the season with the idea of making a profit. Hunting is for pleasure , this is not work !

With the price of leases you,d want to be shooting a shed load of deer to even break even let alone turn a profit on it.

And why do people pay for exclusivity ?

Well for one who wants to be stalking a wood in the early morning or evening wondering if someone else could be out carrying a loaded rifle wiping the mist off their bifocals.:eek:

There are plenty of firearms related accidents on public land in the U.S every year.

moby30

the only people that will be on any of permissions without permission will be poachers- do you think poachers are going to stay off your let just because you paid big money for it:) I'd say if they new how much you pay they'll be all over it.

Tackleberrywho

I got 4Gun a Midlands Fallow buck today, FREE.
And yes the landowners Son helped us Skin and Butcher. Then his Daughter gave us Tay and Buns.

Paying for shooting is like paying for ...

vixdname

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Great...Because we could learn alot from them.They only suffered under an oppressive Communist regime for fifty odd years which would make anything oppressive we had in Ireland look like a paradise!!!

Being under British rule including Famine (Resulting in the death and forced emigration of millions), persecution, zero rights and summary executions of anyone who tried to stand up to them for 400 years.....Yeah Griz, I'm sure it was a walk in the park.
Dont get carried away with your praising of other countries on their triumphs over oppression and say how great they were and dare to say what the people of this country suffered for far longer was "Paradise" - Thats a complete insult.

MODS: sorry if I deviated away from the OP but that kind of remark is not on in my book

iwsf

Lucky you Tackleberrywho , i could try and hunt deer on my farm too but i don't think my 0.5 acres will go down well with the ranger when times come to inspect the land for the license. Never mind if there are any deer on it !

Tackleberrywho

iwsf wrote: »

Lucky you Tackleberrywho , i could try and hunt deer on my farm too but i don't think my 0.5 acres will go down well with the ranger when times come to inspect the land for the license. Never mind if there are any deer on it !

go next door and ask your neighbour!
Lots of free shooting in this country.

As soon as this Hang over lifts I'm off for another Deer
I saw one in my neighbours field yesterday as I was driving to the shops.

iwsf

You seem to have a tough life !
No deer where i live unfortunately , only sheep and cows .....

homerhop

Tac can get you a set of antlers that ya can glue on after the deed is done

Tackleberrywho

homerhop wrote: »

Tac can get you a set of antlers that ya can glue on after the deed is done

After the deed is done?
That means something else where I come from!!

No matter what way I read the question I'm unsure what you are asking me.

Tackleberrywho

iwsf wrote: »

You seem to have a tough life !
No deer where i live unfortunately , only sheep and cows .....

Loads of Deer in Galway, my mate shot several there YTD,

iwsf

Yes there are many of them in Galway , just not where i live.
Farms in the area have none.
Many reds in Connemara and fallows in the East of the county.

Tackleberrywho

iwsf wrote: »

Yes there are many of them in Galway , just not where i live.
Farms in the area have none.
Many reds in Connemara and fallows in the East of the county.

I have shot deer in several counties where I do not live, never mind other parts of the county that I do live.

Get on Shanks Mare then so.
Deer move around areas too, so no point only having one permission, get all the farmers neighbours as well

I even shot a deer this year in Dublin, AND THERE IS NO FREE DEER SHOOTING IN DUBLIN
Including Farmer offering his shed to skin and Butcher the deer

iwsf

"Shanks Mare" , what is that if i may ask ?

Grizzly 45

vixdname wrote: »

Being under British rule including Famine (Resulting in the death and forced emigration of millions), persecution, zero rights and summary executions of anyone who tried to stand up to them for 400 years.....Yeah Griz, I'm sure it was a walk in the park.
Dont get carried away with your praising of other countries on their triumphs over oppression and say how great they were and dare to say what the people of this country suffered for far longer was "Paradise" - Thats a complete insult.

MODS: sorry if I deviated away from the OP but that kind of remark is not on in my book

You know Vix... a great Irishman George Bernad Shaw once said.."Irish history is somthing the English should always remember and the Irish should try and forget!"You should try that somtime.. After removing the rose tinted " woe is us Irish history" glasses:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Sorry,us Irish dont have the exclusive rights to misery and oppression on the planet.Maybe if we stopped bitching and moaning throughout our history,grew a spine an odd time,stopped ratting each other out,and generally got our acts together we would have been shot of the English a lot sooner.

Dont blame the English for everything either ..There were enough turncoat Irish "squireeens" who made up "the Ascendency" who were the worst sinners in the Famine.:mad: I get sick and tired of the famine bein trotted out at every convient opportunity as a sign of how bad we had it.It says NOTHING for us as a race that when we had lost everything,had nothing more to lose other than a lingering death by starvation,when death by baynoet or musket ball might have been a blessing we obligingly dragged ourselves off to die in workhouses,by the side of the road,or in coffin ships on the Atlantic,when we could have at least tried to rise as a nation against our "English oppressors".

Even the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto when they knew the game was up rose against the Germans,to such a state that a bunch of starving raggedy ass Jews with a few rifles and sMGs between them all held out long enough to require THREE crack waffen SS divisions to be diverted from the East front to level the ghetto to the sewers,where the remnants still fought on.For five months!!Let me know when you find somthing in our Irish history that is as equal if not better to that sort of utter hopeless futility of defiance against overwhelming odds for survival!Then I might your huffing more seriously..
My last word on this OT topic.
Good day!
Grizzly45.

Tackleberrywho

iwsf wrote: »

"Shanks Mare" , what is that if i may ask ?

On yer bike to the next town/Village/townsland where the deer are.

I hope to shoot a Deer in Galway this season, if I camk you can do too

iwsf

i do shot deer in Galway , just not for free. i do not pay crazy money either as i can't afford it.
I am just not this kind of guy who will go and knock on doors :mad:

Sparks

Guys, drop the 800 years thing please. This isn't the History forum.
And Grizzly, for the love of small furry things, please go google Godwin's Law?

Tackleberrywho

iwsf wrote: »

i do shot deer in Galway , just not for free. i do not pay crazy money either as i can't afford it.
I am just not this kind of guy who will go and knock on doors :mad:

Well just bring a friend who will !

I got loads of my mates written permissions over the years down home. You can't complain if you can't get a dance if you never ask a girl ;-)

Worst farmer can do is say no. And if he does, ask him do his neighbours need help with Fox control. Helping farmers load the odd bale or head of cattle works too.

Farmer drove his jeep down the field to collect our deer yesterday, saved a 1 mile drag

keep the faith man!

iwsf

not complaining at all .
It is easier asking a girl out than a farmer for deer permission

Tackleberrywho

iwsf wrote: »

not complaining at all .
It is easier asking a girl out than a farmer for deer permission

Just ask the Farmers Wife/Daughter then
Some Farmers have even stopped me on the road and asked me to shoot for them.
Get one farmer in an area to shoot for, do a good job and you will get more.

SIMPLES

fallowbuck

Thats true tac before the Christmass I got a call from a guy/farmer 50 mile or more away from me asking me to shoot deer on his land I did,nt no him from adam or did he no me but my answer was yes. On my first day meeting him he insisted that I took his quad anytime I needeed it to make life easier for me. He got my name and number from another farmer whom are friends who met at the mart. The place is a walk with deer and Im the only one with permission on his 600 hundred acre's(something got to do with local stalker argueing) although im no fool poaching goes on everywhere. All true word of mouth and my behaviour and respect for the permission I have and i did'n pay a cent.