Irish first policy for jobs

Faith+1

Leftist wrote: »

Basically we're looking at ethnic cleansing. Excellent. What a great forward thinking country we have.

Your words make baby Jesus cry

Tigger

i think that the job should go the the non racist

Leftist

Father Damo wrote: »

Name me one country where Irish people are taking jobs that natives are actively chasing. One country where natives are sitting on the dole because of Irish competition in the job market. It sure as hell isnt happening in Australia. Anyone in Australias urban areas who is unemployed is lazy, end of. Same likely goes for a few other places the Irish have been fleeing to over the last few years.

The united states and england. There are two for a start.
I've worked in the us and got the job ahead of americans.
Irish for decades got construction gigs in England for example, cheaper than the national providers.

Of all countries in the world, for us to turn our back on immigrants is a hypocritical embarrasment.

The same people who are bemoaning slovaks taking the jobs Irish people were not applying for 5 years ago, are also quite fast to go to Australia or elsewhere.

But we think we're priviliged because we regale eachother with how much foreigners love us. It's nonsense.

mcwhirter

air assault wrote: »

Some people may take offence to this but dont you think its time that we looked after our own people first, after all this is Ireland, the land of the Irish. Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

a joke right, get back to the 50's

DubDani

mcwhirter wrote: »

a joke right, get back to the 50's

That would be shot down by the EU instantly.

Dermighty

derkr derrrr

toxicity234

Just remember Irish person out there that think we should go for Irish first when a job come up.

The number of people living in this county at this moment is about 4.5 Million,
The number of people around the world that would say that they are Irish or of Irish Descent is in around 80 Millions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people
So that around 75 million Irish that this county exported and went around the world and worked in different counties.
And you’re complaining about a 200,000 people trying to make a better life for themself here.

And it should also be keep in mind that Éamon de Valera, Countess Markievicz, James Connolly, James Thomas Clarke, Phil Lynott, and Sean McBride were all born outside of Ireland.

And I have had this talk with lots of people over the last 4 years or so.
And the people that are usual saying that we should go for Irish first are the people that i won't employ to shovel sh*t.
Most of them can't get a job cause everyone knows this or there last employer will tell the new employer the truth.

And the good workers that are in jam at the moment, normal will say that if they were interviewing people they pick the best person. National wouldn’t come into there thoughts.

DubDani

When the money was rolling the Irish could not get enough foreigners in to help them grow the economy, and now that a lot of these have settled you wanna kick them out because some of your own people are not able to find jobs. Brilliant idea!

I have been here 10 years, always held down a decent job, worked my way up into Mgmt., my daughter was born here and has an Irish passport, we own a house (without crazy mortgage) and pay enough taxes to feed 2 or 3 unemployed every month, and you still would want me to be disadvantaged against another Irish if I was looking for a new job.

How would the Irish have survived the 70s and 80s without the money all the Irish earned abroad while times were tough? Imagine the outcry if the Germans or British would have tried to kick out the Irish back then to make space for their own citizens.

BTW... I agree with getting rid of social liabilities, i.e. long term social welfare scroungers, but that includes getting rid of the Irish ones.

Tayla

I don't agree with this at all, If I was in a position to be hiring people I would hire who I thought was more suited to the job,

If there were 2 equal candidates one being foreign and the other Irish then I would probably decide based on their circumstances....eg. young family to feed etc.

Dyr

toxicity234 wrote: »

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So that around 75 million Irish that this county exported and went around the world and worked in different counties.
And you’re complaining about a 200,000 people trying to make a better life for themself here.

And it should also be keep in mind that Éamon de Valera, Countess Markievicz, James Connolly, James Thomas Clarke, Phil Lynott, and Sean McBride were all born outside of Ireland..

All of whom were Irish citizens, unlike your 75 million

Next.

Leftist

DubDani wrote: »

When the money was rolling the Irish could not get enough foreigners in to help them grow the economy, and now that a lot of these have settled you wanna kick them out because some of your own people are not able to find jobs. Brilliant idea!

I have been here 10 years, always held down a decent job, worked my way up into Mgmt., my daughter was born here and has an Irish passport, we own a house (without crazy mortgage) and pay enough taxes to feed 2 or 3 unemployed every month, and you still would want me to be disadvantaged against another Irish if I was looking for a new job.

How would the Irish have survived the 70s and 80s without the money all the Irish earned abroad while times were tough? Imagine the outcry if the Germans or British would have tried to kick out the Irish back then to make space for their own citizens.

BTW... I agree with getting rid of social liabilities, i.e. long term social welfare scroungers, but that includes getting rid of the Irish ones.

The devil walks amongst us.

Why don't you just do the right thing eh? give your stolen job back to a well deserving irish student who has no experience.

wild_cat

Karsini wrote: »

Do they not do this already in Canada? As in, if you get a job over there the employer has to prove that the position could not be filled by a Canadian?

I'm pretty sure thats only if you're using an employer as a way of getting a visa and not when you already have a working visa.

wild_cat

DubDani wrote: »

When the money was rolling the Irish could not get enough foreigners in to help them grow the economy, and now that a lot of these have settled you wanna kick them out because some of your own people are not able to find jobs. Brilliant idea!

I have been here 10 years, always held down a decent job, worked my way up into Mgmt., my daughter was born here and has an Irish passport, we own a house (without crazy mortgage) and pay enough taxes to feed 2 or 3 unemployed every month, and you still would want me to be disadvantaged against another Irish if I was looking for a new job.

Don't mind all those fools. The vast majority of us are delighted to have you here!

Father Damo

Leftist wrote: »

The united states and england. There are two for a start.
I've worked in the us and got the job ahead of americans.
Irish for decades got construction gigs in England for example, cheaper than the national providers.

The Irish have a rep abroad for working harder than certain nationalities. The recent riots showed us that London and most British cities are full of a massive underclass who cant be forced to work. At least in Ireland during the boom it was pretty hard for a young person who simply didnt want a job to access benefits and free houses, apart from travellers and single mothers. Other countries have for years had this bizarre system that no matter how the economy is doing one can just leave school and hop straight on the dole. More often than not these are countries which have a large amount of people moving to them for work. Problem being that in Ireland alot of store managers are running a members only club for boys from home.

The same people who are bemoaning slovaks taking the jobs Irish people were not applying for 5 years ago, are also quite fast to go to Australia or elsewhere.

And here we go back to this "foreigners work harder at crap jobs than Irish people". My left one they do. Ive worked with some hard working Poles and some whos laziness was beyond belief.

Leftist

Father Damo wrote: »

The Irish have a rep abroad for working harder than certain nationalities. The recent riots showed us that London and most British cities are full of a massive underclass who cant be forced to work. At least in Ireland during the boom it was pretty hard for a young person who simply didnt want a job to access benefits and free houses, apart from travellers and single mothers. Other countries have for years had this bizarre system that no matter how the economy is doing one can just leave school and hop straight on the dole. More often than not these are countries which have a large amount of people moving to them for work. Problem being that in Ireland alot of store managers are running a members only club for boys from home.
.

I don't even know where to start with this rubbish.

Where are these other countries that have hop straight to dole cultures?

Father Damo

Leftist wrote: »

I don't even know where to start with this rubbish.

Where are these other countries that have hop straight to dole cultures?

Britain.
Australia.
France.


All countries that have, or had, thriving economies, all countries with a large immigrant population to work the less desireable jobs, all countries with a large underclass of people who have never had a job in their life. Explain to me why the unemployment rate in West Sydney is 20% when pretty much every non permanent resident in Australia has a job.

Eve_Dublin

deisedave wrote: »

I think if there is jobs that Irish are not qualified for or we we need more then look abroad. If there is ten jobs going in the local supermarket stacking shelves there is so many Irish unemployed we should look after our own first.

I would much rather see a wage packet go to the family who have lived in my town all there lives rather than someone who moved here a few years ago, sticks with their own nationalities and does not speak perfect english.

At the end of the day we need to look out for ourselves. ( I think the Polish should look out for themselves first if an Irish person looked for a job in their country, same with any country really.

Listen, fact of the matter is, if every country adopted the policy the OP has suggested, think of all the Irish that would have to return home as a result. There's very few jobs out there that specifically need an Irish person to do it. 1,500 people emigrate from the country a week, apparently according to an article in The Examiner a few weeks ago...can you imagine all of us were replaced by a local and had to return home? Have a little think about that for a second....

plus...why are you presuming non nationals can't speak English or aren't integrated? That's not what I found when I was at home...perhaps the lack of integration in some cases is due to attitudes like the one you've conveyed above.

Father Damo

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Listen, fact of the matter is, if every country adopted the policy the OP has suggested, think of all the Irish that would have to return home as a result.

You seem to be missing the point. A massive amount of foreigners employed in Ireland are only in the job because of the cartel system their mate from the homeland operates. Whereas most Irish abroad are working jobs natives in those countries couldnt be fcuked doing.

old hippy

My Japanese wife and I left Ireland over a decade ago. Even in the boom times the level of xenephobia and racism was still noticeable. Sad to see it worsen over the years. Still, if some of the bigots feel they can do her old job (Japanese translation, software etc) they're welcome to have a go.

old hippy

Father Damo wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point. A massive amount of foreigners employed in Ireland are only in the job because of the cartel system their mate from the homeland operates. Whereas most Irish abroad are working jobs natives in those countries couldnt be fcuked doing.

Can you give us some links to said cartels, cheers

Father Damo

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Listen, fact of the matter is, if every country adopted the policy the OP has suggested, think of all the Irish that would have to return home as a result.

You seem to be missing the point. A massive amount of foreigners employed in Ireland are only in the job because of the cartel system their mate from the homeland operates. Whereas most Irish abroad are working jobs natives in those countries couldnt be fcuked doing. In Oz most girls work two types of jobs- office work or traffic controlling (unless they have two of the more prominent trades- hairdressing or nursing). Office workers typically start at around 17 euro per hour for basic admin roles (no quals bar Leaving Cert required), much of which can be reclaimed in taxback, usually working with other Irish/ British girls. Why are they employed? Becuase although they might come in 40 minutes late stinking of booze after a heavy one in Bondi on a Monday morning they wont be taking paid holidays or jumping to the next all too easily available job. These days Aussie employers way favour Irish/ British girls for entry level roles- it is shockingly hard for Aussie employers to sack a useless employee. Why traffic control? Because pretty Australian girls dont like standing outside a building site with a stop and go sign wearing the same hi vis gear and steel toed boots us lads wear to work, even though the wage is roughly 20 euro per hour and as high as 30 per hour for night work.
Irish are racially discriminated against for work back home.
Irish work harder than foreigners, both in Ireland and abroad, if the pay is deserving of the effort.
Get the fcuk over yourselves.

old hippy

Irish are racially discriminated against for work back home.
Irish work harder than foreigners, both in Ireland and abroad, if the pay is deserving of the effort.
Get the fcuk over yourselves

Mindless falsehood without anything to back it up at all.

hooradiation

old hippy wrote: »

Irish are racially discriminated against for work back home.
Irish work harder than foreigners, both in Ireland and abroad, if the pay is deserving of the effort.
Get the fcuk over yourselves

Mindless falsehood without anything to back it up at all.

b-b-but the cartels!
Shadowy, sinister foreign cartels!

Father Damo

old hippy wrote: »

Can you give us some links to said cartels, cheers

Yellow pages, under McDonalds, Burger King, KFC.

Can you speak fluent Japanese? Can you read it?
I seriously doubt it. Why throw in a fcuking muppet quote asking how many Irish soeak Japanese? Pathetic. We are awful at foreign languages- of course we need foreign language speakers. However you dont need to speak Urdu to cook a Big Mac, however alot of Irish people are on the dole becuase of it.

Im still chuckling that not one person yet has even attempted a sensible rebuke of any point I made.

old hippy

Father Damo wrote: »

Yellow pages, under McDonalds, Burger King, KFC.

Can you speak fluent Japanese? Can you read it?
I seriously doubt it. Why throw in a fcuking muppet quote asking how many Irish soeak Japanese? Pathetic. We are awful at foreign languages- of course we need foreign language speakers. However you dont need to speak Urdu to cook a Big Mac, however alot of Irish people are on the dole becuase of it.

Im still chuckling that not one person yet has even attempted a sensible rebuke of any point I made.

The only muppetry I see is your propaganda against foreigners. And against the Irish too. "We're awful at languages", "they might come in 40 minutes late stinking of booze".

Your laughter rings hollow, I think

hooradiation

Father Damo wrote: »

Im still chuckling that not one person yet has even attempted a sensible rebuke of any point I made.

That might be because you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

The King of Moo

hooradiation wrote: »

b-b-but the cartels!
Shadowy, sinister foreign cartels!

In Ireland, first you get the jobs locals could just as easily do, then you get the power, then you get the women!

seamus

Father Damo wrote: »

Yellow pages, under McDonalds, Burger King, KFC.

I think you'll find the Golden Pages are classified by business type rather than business name.

In any case, the businesses you mention don't have any kind of "foreigners only" policy. Certainly not the last time I was in McD's and BK. Plenty of Irish there, even an American in BK. Granted, I don't go in much, but your assertion that these companies only hire foreign people is plain wrong.

If you were talking about small ethnic restaurants or backstreet mobile phone shops, I might have been with you.

Even then, my local Indian is run by an Indian guy and he has an Indian chef. The rest of his staff are Irish, even though I'm sure he has no shortage of Indian contacts.

Leftist

Father Damo wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point. A massive amount of foreigners employed in Ireland are only in the job because of the cartel system their mate from the homeland operates. Whereas most Irish abroad are working jobs natives in those countries couldnt be fcuked doing. In Oz most girls work two types of jobs- office work or traffic controlling (unless they have two of the more prominent trades- hairdressing or nursing). Office workers typically start at around 17 euro per hour for basic admin roles (no quals bar Leaving Cert required), much of which can be reclaimed in taxback, usually working with other Irish/ British girls. Why are they employed? Becuase although they might come in 40 minutes late stinking of booze after a heavy one in Bondi on a Monday morning they wont be taking paid holidays or jumping to the next all too easily available job. These days Aussie employers way favour Irish/ British girls for entry level roles- it is shockingly hard for Aussie employers to sack a useless employee. Why traffic control? Because pretty Australian girls dont like standing outside a building site with a stop and go sign wearing the same hi vis gear and steel toed boots us lads wear to work, even though the wage is roughly 20 euro per hour and as high as 30 per hour for night work.
Irish are racially discriminated against for work back home.
Irish work harder than foreigners, both in Ireland and abroad, if the pay is deserving of the effort.
Get the fcuk over yourselves.

Irish don't work harder than foreigners. You have absolutely nothing to base this ridiculous statement on.
Some Irish individuals work harder than others. Some Polish individuals work harder than other polish. Eastern europeans work on average longer hours than Irish. Nothing wrong with that, we have better worker's rights and we're aware of our rights more than they are.

And irish people hired other irish emigrants in the US and UK for their business, it happens with all sizable emigrant communities.

I mean there's so much wrong with your opinion, it's actually laughable.

Leftist

Father Damo wrote: »

Britain.
Australia.
France.


All countries that have, or had, thriving economies, all countries with a large immigrant population to work the less desireable jobs, all countries with a large underclass of people who have never had a job in their life. Explain to me why the unemployment rate in West Sydney is 20% when pretty much every non permanent resident in Australia has a job.

When you explain to me why there are communities in Dublin that were seeking benefits for life when you could walk into a job during the boom.

It happens/happened in ireland before the immigrants, during the boom, and now. Have you ever even seen a large council estate in ireland?

Absolutely mindless.

I am pie

Imagine telling google/amazon/ebay/facebook/ANY OTHER MNC and whoever else that they are very welcome to set up in Ireland but they have to break current EU employment law and give out jobs to Irish first and only recruit abroad if they can go the massive adminstrative effort of proving that no Irish were qualified to take the job.

One of the stupidest ill though out arguments i've ever read. Unemployment would increase exponentially and we all be worse off than we were before we handed the employment legislation of the irish branch of the BNP.

Thankfully, em masse, the electorate are not as stupid as the OP and we'll never have to put this abject lunacy to the test.

Cartels !...pfft !. Seriously ??

Leftist

I am pie wrote: »

Imagine telling google/amazon/ebay/facebook/ANY OTHER MNC and whoever else that they are very welcome to set up in Ireland but they have to break current EU employment law and give out jobs to Irish first and only recruit abroad if they can go the massive adminstrative effort of proving that no Irish were qualified to take the job.

One of the stupidest ill though out arguments i've ever read. Unemployment would increase exponentially and we all be worse off than we were before we handed the employment legislation of the irish branch of the BNP.

Thankfully, em masse, the electorate are not as stupid as the OP and we'll never have to put this abject lunacy to the test.

Cartels !...pfft !. Seriously ??

Very good point.

Dear foreign companies,
we need your money an your businesses, you can set up here but don't even think about hiring foreigners.

Ps can we also send some of us over to your country when things get a little ropey here?

thanks.

Father Damo

Leftist wrote: »

Irish don't work harder than foreigners. You have absolutely nothing to base this ridiculous statement on.
Some Irish individuals work harder than others. Some Polish individuals work harder than other polish. Eastern europeans work on average longer hours than Irish. Nothing wrong with that, we have better worker's rights and we're aware of our rights more than they are.

And irish people hired other irish emigrants in the US and UK for their business, it happens with all sizable emigrant communities.

I mean there's so much wrong with your opinion, it's actually laughable.

In my student days I recall once doing 40 odd days in a row at Burger King. Why? Because I wanted the money. If you were too lazy to do this and therefore think every other Celtic Tiger kid was as well so be it.

old hippy wrote: »

The only muppetry I see is your propaganda against foreigners. And against the Irish too. "We're awful at languages", "they might come in 40 minutes late stinking of booze".

Your laughter rings hollow, I think

Are you actually going to answer any question I raised? Of course not- too nervy :pac:

Again- can you speak Japanese?

Seamus- I dont know if it is different now but before leaving Ireland I hadnt seen an Irish fast food/ Spar/ Centra employee in at least 5 years.

Leftist- you are mistaking "communities in Dublin" with halting sites. In the biggest years of the boom I didnt know one person (bar young "single" parents) who managed the smooth transition from school to dole queue. It was simply off limits unless you were young with kids, or a traveller.

seamus

Father Damo wrote: »

Seamus- I dont know if it is different now but before leaving Ireland I hadnt seen an Irish fast food/ Spar/ Centra employee in at least 5 years.

Yep, because Irish people didn't want to work those jobs. Then the recession hit and suddenly no job was beneath an Irish person any more.

The number of Irish in these jobs has skyrocketed in the last 3 years from what I can see.

What I always found funny though was that no-one would be seen dead working behind the counter in their local centra, but they'd go travelling for a year and would be happy to shovel cow**** with their hands so long as they got paid and call it a "great experience".

Snakeblood

seamus wrote: »

Yep, because Irish people didn't want to work those jobs. Then the recession hit and suddenly no job was beneath an Irish person any more.

The number of Irish in these jobs has skyrocketed in the last 3 years from what I can see.

Yeah, I remember from 2000-05, there were perpetually signs up looking for staff in McD's, etc. Now (Irish) people are turning around and wanting people who took that job because they didn't want it, to get out and let them do it. Makes no sense.

old hippy

Father Damo wrote: »

In my student days I recall once doing 40 odd days in a row at Burger King. Why? Because I wanted the money. If you were too lazy to do this and therefore think every other Celtic Tiger kid was as well so be it.




Are you actually going to answer any question I raised? Of course not- too nervy :pac:

Again- can you speak Japanese?

Seamus- I dont know if it is different now but before leaving Ireland I hadnt seen an Irish fast food/ Spar/ Centra employee in at least 5 years.

Leftist- you are mistaking "communities in Dublin" with halting sites. In the biggest years of the boom I didnt know one person (bar young "single" parents) who managed the smooth transition from school to dole queue. It was simply off limits unless you were young with kids, or a traveller.

You haven't linked to the cartels, you haven't given one solid jot of evidence to your preposterous assumptions.

I can speak a small amount of Japanese but I have several Irish friends who can speak/write fluently.

You live in Bondi now, shall I make an assumption that you are only there because you can't get a job in burger king or whatever & you're desperate to get home?

Why not educate yourself & get a higher paying job? What's stopping you from taking night classes?

Don't take your lack of ambition out on foreign workers, otherwise you just fit the lamentable ignorant, bitter Irish abroad stereotype.

Leftist

Father Damo wrote: »

Leftist- you are mistaking "communities in Dublin" with halting sites. In the biggest years of the boom I didnt know one person (bar young "single" parents) who managed the smooth transition from school to dole queue. It was simply off limits unless you were young with kids, or a traveller.

No I'm not talking about travellers. You're living in some kind of niave sheltered existance. There are thousands of Irish families that are taking advantage of the welfare system. I personally know people who never have and never will work. Irish people.

You're just fencing yourself into some nationalistic fantasy world. It's embarrassing, not only for you but I'd hate to think that a foreigner would ever base their opinion on ireland from talking to you.

PS: The spars and supervalues an bars and nightclubs in my home town (in dublin) have about 80% on average irish staff so you're lying about no irish working these places.

old hippy

Leftist wrote: »

No I'm not talking about travellers. You're living in some kind of niave sheltered existance. There are thousands of Irish families that are taking advantage of the welfare system. I personally know people who never have and never will work. Irish people.

You're just fencing yourself into some nationalistic fantasy world. It's embarrassing, not only for you but I'd hate to think that a foreigner would ever base their opinion on ireland from talking to you.

It's a very thin line between the kind of nationalism the poster Damo is espousing and the likes of the BNP here in London town. It saddens me to hear Damo's views - mostly myths and ignorance - take precedence over the many Irish around the world and at home who would have no truck with such sentiments. And find them quite insulting.

Leftist

old hippy wrote: »

It's a very thin line between the kind of nationalism the poster Damo is espousing and the likes of the BNP here in London town. It saddens me to hear Damo's views - mostly myths and ignorance - take precedence over the many Irish around the world and at home who would have no truck with such sentiments. And find them quite insulting.

I find it more embarrassing than insults. Also really predictable unfortunetly.

I remember around 2004/5 people were delighted with the foriengers coming and settling and it was all very interesting. Some said that when the going gets tough, the dim amongst us will be very quick to blame them, I doubted naively, but it's the same everywhere.

And you're right, he's no better than the edl. (but I can guarantee the most insulting part of that sentence to him will be connotations with the English).

Robdude

air assault wrote: »

Some people may take offence to this but dont you think its time that we looked after our own people first, after all this is Ireland, the land of the Irish. Take applying for jobs for example i think we should bring in a law that says that Irish people should have first prefernce and only when the employer cannot find suitable candiates from the Irish people applying for that job, they can hire another national thats in the country already and not bring them in from abroad like what is happening at the moment in alot of the service industries.

Hell yes! Finally a man speaking the truth! Ireland needs to take care of itself and not worry about others.

We don't need all of these big, international/multinational companies opening offices here and then insisting on flexibility in who they hire. Screw that. They aren't Irish, they shouldn't be here. The 600 American companies with offices here, who pay taxes to the Irish government and employ some 100,000 people (the majority of whom are Irish, and there are even laws that say no company in Ireland can have more than 50% of it's work-force be green card holders) should just leave the country. We should find Irish companies to hire Irishman.

And that's just America. There are many other companies that have no business being here. Kick them out.

There are more than enough Irish companies with Irish jobs that can be done by Irishman. Ireland has more than enough money, we don't need those tax dollars. Let them go 'back home'!

Sure, we already have laws that make it impossible for immigrants to get work-permits in many fields (http://www.djei.ie/publications/labour/2011/guidelines-workpermits-june11.pdf - see appendix A) but that's not enough. We need tougher laws! The Irish government believes there are labour shortages in certain highly-skilled areas like 'medical doctors'....and the law currently makes it possible for highly skilled people to immigrate here.

But that's stupid! We don't need more doctors. If they aren't Irish, they shouldn't be here. Who cares if companies claim they need more engineers and they can't fill all the positions.....besides, once all the foreign companies leave, there won't be nearly so many jobs that need to be filled. Get rid of the green card system completely!

Some people might say I'm being a hypocrite, suggesting that Ireland, a country known for it's large amounts of emigration stop allowing immigration of other people into Ireland. There might even be political backlash - after all - Ireland has agreements with many countries that makes travelling, doing business, or immigration easier. We don't need that. Once we kick out all the non-Irish people, nobody will want to leave Ireland. It'll be like the 1900s again, and everyone in Ireland was happy and had no desire to leave.

Personally, I think all the other countries should forcefully remove their immigrants too. Think of all the Irish that are working in other countries; why, that's not right. They are STEALING JOBS and helping some other country. They should be forced to return to Ireland. I'm sure the massive influx of Irish citizens ready to work and the exodus of foreign companies will bring about a new era of innovation. Certainly, the masses of newly unemployed people will come up with some amazing new companies and things will be great.

All without dirty immigrants stealing our jobs.

old hippy

Leftist

Well tbf robdude, father damo has already addressed your point about foreign countries sending back Irish emigrants; we work harder than all foreigners (he actually wrote that) so for them it would not be worth it.

old hippy

Leftist wrote: »

I find it more embarrassing than insults. Also really predictable unfortunetly.

I remember around 2004/5 people were delighted with the foriengers coming and settling and it was all very interesting. Some said that when the going gets tough, the dim amongst us will be very quick to blame them, I doubted naively, but it's the same everywhere.

And you're right, he's no better than the edl. (but I can guarantee the most insulting part of that sentence to him will be connotations with the English).

The BNP over here reckon the "aborginal English" (?) are being discriminated against as well. I got one of their filthy leaflets through the door, some years back. It had a young attractive white Irish girl saying she agreed with the party and that the UK was being spoiled. Oh, the irony.

mikemac

We could save money by not training Irish doctors and nurses

Just hire in skilled staff from nurses from the Philippines or doctors from the Middle East
A lot of that was happening already, not so much anymore with the HSE hiring freeze. And there are more training places since they started accepting graduate applications

Robdude

Leftist wrote: »

Well tbf robdude, father damo has already addressed your point about foreign countries sending back Irish emigrants; we work harder than all foreigners (he actually wrote that) so for them it would not be worth it.

Exactly - Irish work harder than anyone else; and that is why the Irish has always been more prosperous than anyone else. The problems we face now are because of immigrants trying to come here and get jobs.

I don't believe Ireland should allow it's citizens to work in other countries; even if the other country allows it. If you leave Ireland, you should lose your citizenship.

Not if you go on holiday; but if you are working a job in another country - you should lose your Irish citizenship, forever. If you are Irish you should be here, in Ireland with other Irish people. It's been said that Irish are better workers than all foreigners and I agree. Our country needs the world's best people working here (the Irish).

Either return to Ireland or denounce your Irish citizenship. Problem solved. We'll have the world's best workforce and our economic troubles (caused by immigrants) will go away.

I am pie

It's great that yer man (where's he gone??..he was great craic) seemed to focused on irish first for supermarket and fast food jobs. Nothing like a bit of ambition !

I bet he'll be having fits watching trappatoni lead the football team out tonight.

Anyway, i decided, i'm starting a cartel.

Leftist

Robdude wrote: »

Exactly - Irish work harder than anyone else; and that is why the Irish has always been more prosperous than anyone else. The problems we face now are because of immigrants trying to come here and get jobs.

I don't believe Ireland should allow it's citizens to work in other countries; even if the other country allows it. If you leave Ireland, you should lose your citizenship.

Not if you go on holiday; but if you are working a job in another country - you should lose your Irish citizenship, forever. If you are Irish you should be here, in Ireland with other Irish people. It's been said that Irish are better workers than all foreigners and I agree. Our country needs the world's best people working here (the Irish).

Either return to Ireland or denounce your Irish citizenship. Problem solved. We'll have the world's best workforce and our economic troubles (caused by immigrants) will go away.

Whoa whoa, lets not get carried away, what we're aiming for here is a double sided, Hypocritical solution to a problem that does not exist.

What I'm thinking is; Free reign for irish emigrants to wherever they want to go.

Irish jobs for Irish people at home, but in foreign business that pays irish taxes?

The thing about irish emigrants, we'll do jobs better than the natives, jobs they won't do. Not like ireland, were the foreigners take all the best spar jobs. Leaving no chance for students who want to float through 5 hours a week for managerial pay.

old hippy

Keep Spar Irish

Where did Spar originate from, out of curiosity?

Leftist

old hippy wrote: »

Keep Spar Irish

Where did Spar originate from, out of curiosity?

erm, the netherlands

What about Dunnes and Supermacs, surely they're sacred?

mikemac

If we have a problem with anyone it's the Spanish

Coming over here, stealing our fish :mad: