LIVELINE Thread - (05/10/11 to 14/02/2012)

dulpit

Oh, my godfather's brother-in-law produced today

neris

lyons teas a bit like joe refreshingly rich but maybe not as smooth

pc7

sudzs wrote: »

What's UPC???

sky/chorus/ntl type thingy.

ThisRegard

sudzs wrote: »

What's UPC???

Formerly know as NTL.

What is it with Adriennes toady. If you put money into the pot when do you get to take it ? Eh, it's not put aside as a special savings account for you to dip into for communion dresses.

pc7

dulpit wrote: »

Oh, my godfather's brother-in-law produced today

show him this thread!:eek:

Stripey Cat

miketv wrote: »

I bet Joe is hoping there will be a statue of himself when he departs us oneday.

RadioRetro

Communions cost the State €3.4m last year. Not a lot in the great scheme of SocWel but still 3.4m that can be saved to pay off the unsecured bondholders etc.

sudzs

Skid wrote: »

NTL, formerly Cablelink.

Aw Cablelink! Remember it well, I used to tap into the cable from the flat upstairs from me! The neighbour didn't mind but the landlord kept unpeeling me duct tape!

Nick Guats

I dont get it, why do people set up a dd with a third party to pay their esb upc tv licence instead of setting it up directly with esb upc tv licence?

europa11

neris wrote: »

teh rte weatherman telling what he misses about holland coming up on mooney....... not hard to think mooney.
....
daffodils and wooden shoes

or this.....:D

Stripey Cat

Nick Guats wrote: »

I dont get it, why do people set up a dd with a third party to pay their esb upc tv licence instead of setting it up directly with esb upc tv licence?

I don't understand this either. Is there some advantage to them?

Stripey Cat

signostic wrote: »

A guy I knew used to get Svp vouchers for 100€ which could only be exchanged in Dunnes Stores, however alcohol and cigs could not be purchased with voucher so he would sell it to his mates for 70€

How could you have a Dunnes Voucher which couldn't be spent in every part of Dunnes Stores?

Are you sure your friend wasn't having you on?

steelcityblues

Didn't even know before today that there was a handout scheme for what it is a religious ceremony (which should be separate from the State).

Not her biggest fan, but well done to Minister Burton.

yosser hughes

The programme today was classic liveline. Joe "the socialist" starts a topic on the communion grant and mistakenly thinks everyone will be up in arms about the decision to reduce it. When he realises that is not the case, he dismisses and argues with anyone that agrees with the cut and by the end of the programme every single person on the line is complaining about the cut.
He almost tried to use his favourite comparison of how much politicians and judges get paid and how little this grant is. That is irrelevant and he is some hypocrite to go down that road.
On the question of this being a small amount of money to save just to fritter away on paying bondholders, that is also a tangent. Two wrongs and all that. But as we are on the topic, even if we had no bank guarantee and bank debts to pay, we are still running a deficit of €20 billion a year that hasn't been dented. If we had no deficit then fine, burn the bondholders, but as we are relying on others to pay for the running of this country then it is prudent to pay our debts now if we want to continue to borrow.
This programme today and everyday encapsulates everything that is wrong with this country. Vested interests, entitlements, quangos, self-pity and hypocrisy.There are organisations and institutes in this country that exist for the sole purpose of paying and benefitting those who work in them.The benefit to the public is marginal. RTE is in this category.
I am going to leave this country and it will be for lifestyle reasons. I'm sorry I ever came back.

edit: Sorry about the rant folks. Maybe I should just stop listening to Joe. I listen a lot less these days.

Degringola

"Going back to SVdP guy, he mentioned that kids were going to school without breakfasts" - Well maybe then some of the communion money could be diverted to this more worthy cause, or is there a bottomless pit of other people's money available to the SVP. Do these people ever have a logical thought?

Question to put to Joe:
Now, Joe, as you're so in favour of these grants, would you and all the other moral-preening NIMBY socialists / Quango queens and morally superior 'charidee' bosses be prepared to take a 1 or 2% rise in your income tax so these entitlements, oops, grants can be continued?

Answers on a postcard please.

Na, didn't think so.

miketv

Just heard Matt Cooper say that on todays show they will be discussing the fairness bill in current affairs broadcasting, I wonder will Joe be mentioned as a bad example?

Stripey Cat

The schools insist on Communion though, which makes it very difficult for the parents.
The whole term is taken over by planning, telling stories about communion, priests and nuns coming into the class etc

It makes it very hard for people to opt out. An atheist friend of mine was pressured to take part but eventually wrote to the school and pointed out that her son had not been baptised, so he couldn't make his communion.

Since he was the only one in the class like this, the school tried to get her to okay him going through the lessons etc anyway, but she put her foot down. So they made him sit outside the room in the corridor on his own.

So if you're scraping by on Social Welfare (and most people just scrape by) then it's hard to deal with the pressure from the school, so parents end up going along with it, and then find themselves borrowing from money lenders etc to pay for this nonsense.

The Community Welfare Officers giving a grant is a non-solution though. The State should lean on the religious orders which run the schools and get this stuff out of the classroom, but it's hard to see the current government having any interest in this.

europa11

yosser hughes wrote: »

The programme today was classic liveline. Joe "the socialist" starts a topic on the communion grant and mistakenly thinks everyone will be up in arms about the decision to reduce it. When he realises that is not the case, he dismisses and argues with anyone that agrees with the cut and by the end of the programme every single person on the line is complaining about the cut.
He almost tried to use his favourite comparison of how much politicians and judges get paid and how little this grant is. That is irrelevant and he is some hypocrite to go down that road.
On the question of this being a small amount of money to save just to fritter away on paying bondholders, that is also a tangent. Two wrongs and all that. But as we are on the topic, even if we had no bank guarantee and bank debts to pay, we are still running a deficit of €20 billion a year that hasn't been dented. If we had no deficit then fine, burn the bondholders, but as we are relying on others to pay for the running of this country then it is prudent to pay our debts now if we want to continue to borrow.
This programme today and everyday encapsulates everything that is wrong with this country. Vested interests, entitlements, quangos, self-pity and hypocrisy.There are organisations and institutes in this country that exist for the sole purpose of paying and benefitting those who work in them.The benefit to the public is marginal. RTE is in this category.
I am going to leave this country and it will be for lifestyle reasons. I'm sorry I ever came back.

edit: Sorry about the rant folks. Maybe I should just stop listening to Joe. I listen a lot less these days.

Yosser, if that's a "rant" then Joe Duffy is a serious broadcaster worth every cent of his salary..... i.e.: no apology neccesary.

Excellent post. Couldn't have put it better and esp. that piece I've highlighted..

Conor84

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The Vincent de Paul need to wise up to scammers

I wouldn't be too quick to give anything to St vincent De Paul. I think they hand out money too easily.

I was in court and remember seeing this 20/21 year old girl getting fined for no tax/NCT and the judge was asking about previous fines and if she paid them. She had said she was unemployed but that the fines had been paid but when she was called back she said she was on to the Vincent De Paul and there was a mix up and the fines hadn't been paid. The judge nearly exploded when she said that the Vincent De Paul were paying her fines and rightly so. She couldn't explain why she needed a car if she wasn't working and came across as she couldn't care less about being in court, trackie bottoms standing there with her i phone and smokes in her hand.

Why is it that you always hear VDP say about people not being able to pay an electricity bill - never mention that money is spent down the pub before they think of the electricity bill and sure they know VDP will pay it.

There are loads of people unemployed and having a tough time on the dole but there are some who just seem to me not to give a **** and are proud of it. The whole lot of poverty groupies try to justify everything and that phrase about the 'most vulnerable in society' gets on my nerves.

The thing is when you hear some of these 'vulnerable' people speak they expose themselves as chancers. I remember a few weeks ago hearing a Paddy O'Gorman vox pop outside a Social Welfare office talking to 'vulnerable' people about the impact of a cut in rent allowance. One was giving out about not feeling happy inside but the last one was giving out and saying that the Social Welfare Minister should get out of his office (Didn't know Minister was a woman) and live her life. She waas giving out about the cost of her car (how could she afford that?) She has been very sick with plurisy, emphysema etc. Paddy O'Gorman said but I see you are smoking. Yeah but I've cut down from 100 a day to 40 a day. How would you have time to smoke 100 a day??? How can she afford that? I smoke but I pay for them from my wages

I was shocked to hear that there was a €300 Communion Grant. I definitely agree with getting rid of it. I would feel better about paying tax if it didn't go on such stupid schemes.

europa11

SVP going on the offensive, just switched back to RTE1 - Much as I dislike Mary Wilson, Hook was getting on my nerves.

Guess what's "coming up" on Drivetime?

St. Vincent de Paul will be on to give out yards about the cut in this ludicrous Communion grant. Listening to Wilsons' tone sounds like she'll be playing (as RTE populist presenters do whenever FF are out of power) the anti-government line, wonder will she be as out of touch as Joe was on this vital bread and butter pints and fake tans issue ?

JonathanAnon

This segment just starting on DriveTime...

SEPT 23 1989

No mention of all day boozing on Drivetime:D

fryup

communion allowance:rolleyes:

ffs only in ireland would you have such a thing, in any other country you would be laughed out the door if you asked for it

i thought it was an urban myth, i'm surprised this actually exists

and lets face it half the country is atheist anyway (or closet atheist)..communion is just an excuse for a knees up

JonathanAnon

A single mother with two kids saying that she wont have the money to dress the kids well for Church... She doesn't live by Catholic ideals, but by God she wont want to turn up for her two visits to Church with the kids looking anything less that elegant.

It wont be long before the only people living in this country are either working for the State or living on Government benefits..

europa11

Good point.

Pity Uncle Joe didn't get around to quizzing those in favour of the grant just how regularly they attended Church.

Not that he would, the git.

miketv

Talking about BAI now on the last word.

Stripey Cat

I suppose it's logical for the Saint De Vincent Paul Society to be in favour for a grant for a religious ceremony.

signostic

Stripey Cat wrote: »

How could you have a Dunnes Voucher which couldn't be spent in every part of Dunnes Stores?

Are you sure your friend wasn't having you on?

It was an SVP voucher, not a Dunnes voucher, the voucher could only be redeemed in Dunnes Stores for food or clothes but not alcohol or cigs

Stripey Cat

Really? I knew SVP give out Dunnes Vouchers (which is a bit odd in itself- why not Tesco or SuperValu or Aldi?) but I've never heard of them having their own vouchers.

avfc1874

artful_codger wrote: »

..and that's why i NEVER donate to SVP.

i know a couple who regulary write begging letters to svdp and get stuff have no shame excepting stuff. they just think why not when its there. they are applying for the grant even though they've been given a dress and said they'll put the money towards a limo to the church :eek: its more wide spread then people realise