Irish Slutwalk

The King of Moo

There's due to be a slutwalk in Galway this afternoon (despite the stormy wind and torrential rain) organised by NUI Galway's Feminist society and the Rape Crisis Centre.

As you probably know, the first slutwalk took place in Toronto in April in response to comments by a police officer that women dressing "sluttily" reduced men's responsibility for rape, to an extent, and it was followed by others around the world.

A ridiculous idea from the police officer of course, and though I have mixed feelings about the effectiveness of the slutwalk as a form of protest, I understand why it took the form it did and the idea behind it.

Now the thing is, today's slutwalk (Ireland's first) isn't in response to any particular comment, and its stated aim is to drive home the point that the way women dress doesn't excuse rape.

Again, a laudable idea, but I'm not sure a slutwalk here is such a good idea. Seeing as it's not based on any high-profile case, I think it's going to send mixed messages at best. I think lots of people who come across it won't get the idea behind it. It made sense shortly after the cop's comments, but now I think most people won't get it.

What do you think? Do we need a slutwalk in Ireland, and will it be effective?

mike65

Coppers is the non stop slut walk isn't it (I'm led to believe this is the case judging by AH lore)

FetchTheGin

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do we need a slutwalk in Ireland

Yes.

curlzy

I love the idea behind it but have found that the public as a group are moronic and will totally miss the point or even worse get it backwards and think it's a protest again women dressing sluttily. Wait and see I suppose.

skregs

A slutwalk is a girl in a raggedy dress walking home at 8 o'clock on Sunday morning after spending the night with some guy she just met.

prinz

Classy.

Crann na Beatha

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Dublin_Gunner

Slutwalk - is that the new name for the liffey Boardwalk

bradolf pittler

skregs wrote: »

A slutwalk is a girl in a raggedy dress walking home at 8 o'clock on Sunday morning after spending the night with some guy she just met.

thought that was the walk of shame?

cherryghost

You stay classy, Galway

prinz

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Slutwalk - is that the new name for the liffey Boardwalk

Nah that's junkie promenade.

120_Minutes

skregs wrote: »

A slutwalk is a girl in a raggedy dress walking home at 8 o'clock on Sunday morning after spending the night with some guy she just met.

no thats the walk of shame.

bonus points if shes carrying her shoes and/or crying.

chin_grin

mike65 wrote: »

Coppers is the non stop slut walk isn't it (I'm led to believe this is the case judging by AH lore)

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure we believe you!

Slutwalk though. It's sexist. Where's the bro-walk! Where we get to drink beer and high five each other. In a purely hetero way. Although gays are not excluded. But they do have their own march. So.........where was I?

biko

I hope they have umbrellas, it's torrential out there.

Chuck Stone

SOS

biko

chin_grin wrote: »

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure we believe you!

Slutwalk though. It's sexist. Where's the bro-walk! Where we get to drink beer and high five each other. In a purely hetero way. Although gays are not excluded. But they do have their own march. So.........where was I?

That's every stag party Friday night down Shop street.

starlit

The title isn't very appropriate to the cause really? Raises a few eyebrows. Anyway, the way a woman dresses is no excuse. She could dress like a nun and still can happen. There are countless of reasons why it happens but still no excuse for it to happen and it can happen at any age, doesn't matter the person's status, can happen to either men or women.

NothingMan

If only I lived in Galway, I'd pop along for a good lech.

FetchTheGin

Oh jesus...Slutwalk girls...

I'm out.

smash

biko wrote: »

I hope they have umbrellas, it's torrential out there.

I really hope they don't!

Matthew23

jaysus no danger of rape for any of the munters in the wiki link photo. havent seen a troop of elephants like them since hannibal crossed the alps

mikemac

From your link OP

On January 24, 2011 Constable Michael Sanguinetti spoke on crime prevention at a York University safety forum.[7] He said: "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.

But is there not an element of risk management?
Maybe I'd love to walk down dark alleys while drunk but if I get jumped and mugged I didn't take all the precautions I could. And I'd get little sympathy around here.

It's not an ideal world and there are bad people out there and dressing in a certain way can provoke a reaction.
For example wearing heels means you may struggle to run away

TheZohanS

Sexy Slut Victim. :eek: Ima gonna be sick.

bicardi19

bradolf pittler wrote: »

thought that was the walk of shame?

Or stride of pride!!

Jaxxy

doovdela wrote: »

The title isn't very appropriate to the cause really? Raises a few eyebrows. Anyway, the way a woman dresses is no excuse. She could dress like a nun and still can happen. There are countless of reasons why it happens but still no excuse for it to happen and it can happen at any age, doesn't matter the person's status, can happen to either men or women.

It's taking the power out of the word. The bad connotations behind it were put there by society; and most specifically women.

Anyway I'm not in Galway so I won't get to see it, but then even if there was one in Dublin I'd still miss it due to work. And the fact that I couldn't wear my slut gear in.

cherryghost

biko wrote: »

I hope they have umbrellas, it's torrential out there.

I know you Biko. No umbrellas or no walk!

prinz

mikemac wrote: »

But is there not an element of risk management?

Don't be talking sense!

Matthew23

TheZohan wrote: »

Sexy Slut Victim. :eek: Ima gonna be sick.

It really is this kind of thing that give women such a bad name...and the fact that their dopes! :pac:

suicide_circus

Are there any actual stats to say a woman is more likely to be assaulted if she is dressed in such a manner?

Tesco Massacre

I'm wholeheartedly in favour of anything which brings more sluts to the streets.

Dyr

doovdela wrote: »

The title isn't very appropriate to the cause really? Raises a few eyebrows. Anyway, the way a woman dresses is no excuse. She could dress like a nun and still can happen. There are countless of reasons why it happens but still no excuse for it to happen and it can happen at any age.

Who said it was an excuse? This is basically women protesting against common sense. :pac:

FetchTheGin

mikemac wrote: »

From your link OP


But is there not an element of risk management?
Maybe I'd love to walk down dark alleys while drunk but if I get jumped and mugged I didn't take all the precautions I could. And I'd get little sympathy around here.

It's not an ideal world and there are bad people out there and dressing in a certain way can provoke a reaction.
For example wearing heels means you may struggle to run away

I agree with taking necessary precautions, you would in any walk of life.

Jaysus people should be allowed to wear what they want without fear of being forced to **** somebody they didn't want to ****?! I wouldn't want some butch lady jumping me for the large bulge in my pants. :pac::pac::pac:

Tesco Massacre

suicide_circus wrote: »

Are there any actual stats to say a woman is more likely to be assaulted if she is dressed in such a manner?

Yes.

If they're wearing a skirt above the ankle then they're 100% more likely to get groped by men in Copper's.

midlandsmissus

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Oh jesus...Slutwalk girls...

I'm out.

It's ideas like this that people need to do away with. Girls don't need to be good looking to be raped. Rape is about power and dominance, not sex.

I remember reading an american article abut a girl who had reported rape and the police officer said "who would rape you?" and laughed.

These type of comments on here set us back to the stone age.

conorhal

You pretty much know that a civilization is about to go down the pan when the 'rights' you fight for go from, freedom, the right to vote and equality to .....the right to stagger down a street with your panties spinning aroud your left ankle.

speedboatchase

If a woman wears extremely revealing outfits, they will court, whether welcome or unwelcome, attention from the opposite sex. On a more extreme scale, their outfit may cause certain men to think that they're 'up for it' on a night out and behave with less respect towards them.

In an ideal world, that wouldn't happen, however, that's the world we live in. To quote Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times, "I have a perfect right to leave my windows open when I nip to the shops for some fags, without being burgled. It doesn’t lessen the guilt of the burglar that I’ve left my window open, or even remotely suggest that I was deserving of being burgled. Just that it was more likely to happen."

There should be a certain amount of risk management, concerning the outfit you wear, your company and where you're heading before you head out and to march for society to ensure that such precautions are unnecessary is laudable, but I fear unlikely to change anything.

RMD

Ironic thing is, most feminists are so bet down looking they can dress as slutty as they want, but there's still not a hope most men would ride them.

The Big Red Button

This is disgusting.

I certainly do not think that the way a girl is dressed should EVER be an excuse to rape her.

But what the fck is the point in a big group of girls tarting themselves up and basically proclaiming themselves to be "sluts"? Counterproductive surely?

All it's doing is creating a mental association between the word "slut" and girls who are dressed a certain way. For some, this is creating a link; for others, it is reinforcing an opinion they already held. Either way, can't see how these "slutwalks" could possibly help any cause.

midlandsmissus

TheZohan wrote: »

Sexy Slut Victim. :eek: Ima gonna be sick.

What's your issue with this picture. Let's pin it down. That she's unattractive? So you think she won't be raped?

Matthew23

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Let's pin it down.

ah now I tell ya you'll need more than pins. some heavy duty storm resistant tent pegs, whaling nets and a couple of stout longshoremen will probably just about do the job

midlandsmissus

Matthew23 wrote: »

It really is this kind of thing that give women such a bad name...and the fact that their dopes! :pac:

Jesus. First of all stop generalising, second of all; what's your issue with the woman here?

Shiner11

smash wrote: »

I really hope they don't!

An unplanned Wet T-Shirt contest then!

Matthew23

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Jesus. First of all stop generalising, second of all; what's your issue with the woman here?

anything else while im at it mom?

stovelid

I agree.

Perhaps also they should reclaim the concept of stripping from the patriarchal warmongers and put on a strip show.

I suggest Destabilizing The Sexist Signifier Of Striptease: Shedding Our Clothes as a working title.

Wet T-Shirt Competitions, Mud-Wresting and Naked Female Rodeo are all other contested arenas of sexism that must be reclaimed.

midlandsmissus

chatterpillar wrote: »

This is disgusting.

I certainly do not think that the way a girl is dressed should EVER be an excuse to rape her.

But what the fck is the point in a big group of girls tarting themselves up and basically proclaiming themselves to be "sluts"? Counterproductive surely?

All it's doing is creating a mental association between the word "slut" and girls who are dressed a certain way. For some, this is creating a link; for others, it is reinforcing an opinion they already held. Either way, can't see how these "slutwalks" could possibly help any cause.

"tarting themselves up" show's your own opinion of girls dressed like this maybe? the whole point of it is it's taking the power out of the word "slut". Why shouldn't women dress how they want to without being groped, or fear of something happening, I think this march is an excellent way forward.

4leto

So when and where is this I want to go in and ogle err I mean support.

The King of Moo

suicide_circus wrote: »

Are there any actual stats to say a woman is more likely to be assaulted if she is dressed in such a manner?

I tried to find some studies to link to in my original post, but apparently it's difficult to get data and create such a study.

Personally I don't think dress makes any difference. As someone else said, I think it's usually about asserting dominance rather than sexual desire.

Nodin

bradolf pittler wrote: »

thought that was the walk of shame?

.......unless yer a man, yep.

FetchTheGin

midlandsmissus wrote: »

It's ideas like this that people need to do away with. Girls don't need to be good looking to be raped. Rape is about power and dominance, not sex.

I remember reading an american article abut a girl who had reported rape and the police officer said "who would rape you?" and laughed.

These type of comments on here set us back to the stone age.

No, I was pointing out that the women in the picture weren't physically appealing, not on the issue of rape. It was a joke really.

suicide_circus

Provocative clothing is designed to do just that, provoke.
This does not excuse or justify rape but it is logical to assume that such clothing choices may increase risk.

Chuck Stone

Matthew23 wrote: »

It really is this kind of thing that give women such a bad name...and the fact that their dopes! :pac:

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