1 joule law in Ireland

Fionnacus

sliabh wrote: »

@Fionnacus

You jumped onto another old 1J thread and made a very ignorant comment about Airsoft in Germany. They do not have a 7.5J limit there. The legal situation is as follows (from Wikipedia):


I am just back from living in Austria and I can tell you that the guys in West Austria used to get a lot of German players because for all intents and purposes Airsoft skirmishing in Germany means 0.5J.

Your wrong, the limit as I said and as the link you said is 7.5 joules, maybe they go to austia so they can shoot semi-automatic

Puding

Airsoft guns under 0.5 joule are considered toy guns and can be sold to all persons above three years of age. Distributors agreed to raise the limit to at least 14 years of age. This has been realized and the limit is thus 14 years. All airsoft guns between 0.5 joule and 7.5 joule must be bolt-action or semiautomatic only and can only be sold to people who are 18 years or older. These are considered "free" firearms. As a result, sales of guns of more than 0.5 joule are allowed only in firearms shops and guns must be marked with the trader's weapon abbreviation and a F-in-a-pentagon mark as well as the airsoft gun caliber (such as 6 mm BB). All airsoft guns with powers over 0.5 joule of energy, need to be semi-automatic only and carry the F-in-a-pentagon and associated markings to be legal in Germany, rendering all other Airsoft guns with more than 0.5 joule of energy illegal.

technically yes they could go upto 7.5 on paper but the requirement for anything over 0.5 means that they're almost impossible to get

there is a massive difference between theory and practice

its why you have guys having to drive way out of their way around Germany when going to berget


But that is off topic in general, so on with the other points.

The really is yes a higher energy level will give greater range, of course a 300 fps is not going to have the same range as a 500fps with all other things being equal, but everything is not always equal.

Will the energy level change in Ireland? no can not personally see it happening.

sliabh

Fionnacus wrote: »

Your wrong, the limit as I said and as the link you said is 7.5 joules, maybe they go to austia so they can shoot semi-automatic

The legal limit is 7.5 but it is classed as a type of firearm, and cannot be skirmished.

Lemming

An increase in FPS does not equate to range increases that some people may think. It generally means that a BB will reach its destination faster Fionnacus. Simply being given an increase in FPS allowance will not a sniper make.

True story: a TA-Events game at the Sennybridge FIBUA village (Ceilini village) in the Brecons. A bunch of Irish players with guns that were well set up and firing around 320fps were outranging UK players with their 350fps allowance. A marshal was called and the players in the building in particular accused of having "hot guns". Marshal goes in with chrono to discover that all the guns were firing about 320fps.

Another true story: Scotland. The fort. A rather talented & experienced sniper with an 500fps rifle gets outplayed by another player rocking a 1j sniper setup. Why? No minimum engagement range for 1j. The sniper with the 500fps rifle was thinking "nobody will be over there or wont be able to fire at me because they'd be inside engagement range". Imagine his surprise ...


So, do you still want to bang on about FPS? Because if you do, I've got a great deal on London bridge to sell on to you ....

Zomg Okay

Fionnacus wrote: »

Your wrong, the limit as I said and as the link you said is 7.5 joules, maybe they go to austia so they can shoot semi-automatic

Here you go:

StevieGriff

Oh joy, yet another facepalm inducing poster I have to put on the ignore list.

Faolchu

StevieGriff wrote: »

Oh joy, yet another facepalm inducing poster I have to put on the ignore list.

no you dont his account is marked as closed

TheDoc

Another satisfied boards customer no doubt

hightower1

Ah lads, come on, a bit less attitude from both sides.

Is there not merit in saying a higher FPS rating would allow for use of a heavier (and more stable) bb without a loss of range?



Disclaimer: I am not asking for or insinuating any laws be changed past present or future. :pac:

Just seems like the OP had a bit of attitude on him and got the same back, sure he may have been wrong but as a community should be really have an attitude of fight fire with fire? If a new poster comes along with a chip on his shoulder shouldn't we politely advise against it rather than us all pile on our own attitude and snide comments? One way will gain us a new member another could turn that person off the sport forever. Just food for thought is all.

Inari

Lads, Hightower is dead right.

A lad came on, and wanted to have a discussion and he was stone walled. He wasn't necessarily right, but nor was he completely wrong. He didn't conform immediately, and so was instantly shunned.

Realistically it was suspicious, first post in a resurrected thread, and attempting to bring up another in the same manner, but still it was all a descent into usual cesspit of only one right & wrong. Don't get me wrong, there were some informative posts, as well as some genuine efforts to talk the guy around, but there were very few attempts at mediating his point of view.

He wasn't wrong when he said that a higher power (not FPS mind you) gun that is highly tuned will outshoot a highly tuned lower powered gun. It's just the way it is. Similarly, as many have said, Irish law is not going to change just for airsoft - we have what we have, and we do make the most of it. It doesn't mean you cannot wish for things - how many of us log onto the Asian retailers and fill our carts, then close the window in depression It's nice to hope, but you have to be realistic.

I'm going to quote Keegan though for my own opinion
"If the 1 Joule limit was raised, I'd find a new hobby"

jayod30

hightower1 wrote: »

One way will gain us a new member another could turn that person off the sport forever. Just food for thought is all.

Inari wrote: »

Lads, Hightower is dead right.

A lad came on, and wanted to have a discussion and he was stone walled. He wasn't necessarily right, but nor was he completely wrong. He didn't conform immediately, and so was instantly shunned.

A lads come on, stop being so naive. The lad resurrected an old thread with a block on his shoulder, not a chip. His first post started with one of these:mad:faces and went down hill from there. Seriously, if he's not happy with the 1J limit then there's not much anyone can do to change that and if that's the case let him sod off. I sure as hell don't want to be listening to him bitching about it here, let alone when I'm skirmishing, that's for sure.

T4RGET

jayod30 wrote: »

A lads come on, stop being so naive. The lad resurrected an old thread with a block on his shoulder, not a chip. His first post started with one of these:mad:faces and went down hill from there. Seriously, if he's not happy with the 1J limit then there's not much anyone can do to change that and if that's the case let him sod off. I sure as hell don't want to be listening to him bitching about it here, let alone when I'm skirmishing, that's for sure.

agreed. infact looking back at the first two pages at least, most of the posters replying to him where okay, straight to the point and blunt but not rude, it was only after he him self started on about the 1 joule being crap that other boards.ie members starting to defend the limit and the law for that fact.

Zomg Okay

Inari, Hightower. I see where you're both coming from and honestly, you're right to an extent. But like Jayod said, the first part of the post was ":mad:". The first thing I thought, before reading the post (though it was not an unreasonable assumption), was that the guy is here to have a bit of a rant and doesn't particularly care for a proper debate on the merits and faults of the current limit. And maybe I'm reading his posts in the wrong way but that's how most of them appeared to me.

Okay, we could have been a little nicer and I could have refrained from posting a picture of a shovel. On the other hand, he could have refrained from posting a rant and made a genuine attempt at a discussion. Both sides are at fault.

thermo

Zomg Okay wrote: »

On the other hand, he could have refrained from posting a rant read the first 6 pages of this thread and made a genuine attempt at a discussion. Both sides are at fault.

fyp

TheDoc

Zomg Okay wrote: »

Inari, Hightower. I see where you're both coming from and honestly, you're right to an extent. But like Jayod said, the first part of the post was ":mad:". The first thing I thought, before reading the post (though it was not an unreasonable assumption), was that the guy is here to have a bit of a rant and doesn't particularly care for a proper debate on the merits and faults of the current limit. And maybe I'm reading his posts in the wrong way but that's how most of them appeared to me.

Jesus H Christ, what the **** are your supposed to do on a forum? There hasn't been a good debate in here for years, part of it is having a rant. Everyone at some level would like a higher limit, if you don't then simply put you havn't played with higher limits. It is an amplification of the game and is more enjoyable.



Okay, we could have been a little nicer and I could have refrained from posting a picture of a shovel. On the other hand, he could have refrained from posting a rant and made a genuine attempt at a discussion. Both sides are at fault.[/QUOTE]

He clearly looked and typed like a teen, not everyone has debating skills off the bat. As for him reading backwards in the thread, there is so many lies and exaggerations I would probably post a fresh post to try get something accurate.

What clearly happened here is someone came on , most likely new to the game, and couldn't understand and didn't like the way he was restricted to 1joule.

And instead of there been some simply calm explanations and discussion, he was pretty much lynched from the start, went on talking about skill in a cringy way, and that 1joule is better anyway, from no doubt their VAST experience (not). And basically brick walled him in what was a rubbish attempt at taking the high ground to achieve some quick +1's and cheap "Thanks" and try come off as a know it all.

jayod30

1) He came with an attitude

2) He wasn't a teenager, read through the posts and it's pretty obvious

3) He's dragging up an old post and debating something that really doesn't need to be debated because the law ain't gonna change.

4) At this point who bloody cares

Zomg Okay

TheDoc wrote: »

part of it is having a rant.

Good point, not going to argue with you on it besides saying that you shouldn't post an angry post without expecting angry posts back.

TheDoc wrote:

He clearly looked and typed like a teen, not everyone has debating skills off the bat.

The start of having debating skills is as simple as taking a step back, calming down and then making your post with a clear head. If you've already had your rant, it's as simple as apologising for said rant and then trying to make the rest of your posts in a calm manner. Being a teenager is irrelevant, his age doesn't stop him using his head.

TheDoc wrote:

What clearly happened here is someone came on , most likely new to the game, and couldn't understand and didn't like the way he was restricted to 1joule.

And instead of there been some simply calm explanations and discussion, he was pretty much lynched from the start, went on talking about skill in a cringy way, and that 1joule is better anyway, from no doubt their VAST experience (not). And basically brick walled him in what was a rubbish attempt at taking the high ground to achieve some quick +1's and cheap "Thanks" and try come off as a know it all.

Not going to argue with that either.

moggser

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TheDoc

jayod30 wrote: »

3) He's dragging up an old post and debating something that really doesn't need to be debated because the law ain't gonna change.

I think that just because something cannot change, doesn't mean there cannot be discussion about it. I thought we had come on a bit more as a community then to still be bound by shackles of "fear" and "scaremongering". There shouldn't be any reason it cannot be discussed.

zen260

Zomg Okay wrote: »

No.

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