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People who are proud to be overweight and are happy to ignore all the health risks
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Mindkiller wrote: »
I understand that genetics play a role as well but I personally don't know any fat people who maintain their weight while also eating well and exercising. On the other hand I've seen lots of fat people shed weight with healthy living and a sustainable diet. Even in that video you see she's afraid to use the term 'obese' to describe herself. People need to get real.
I'm not hear to justify an unhealthy lifestyle however if you see a skinny person or someone eating 'healthy', its possible they might be eating way less than they or others realise, thus starving their body where the body will hold on to fat as it believes your gone into famine mode, and thus the skinny 'healthy' person may actually have more fat percentage than one may think...
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/fitness/a/bodyfatpercent.htm
and a heavy 'unhealthy' person may actually have more muscle which is heavier than fat btw but is medically overweight due to BMI...check it out
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/healthyliving/fitandfat.htm.
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This is all very obvious stuff that a lot of people know. If you're over the BMI and muscle is the reason you are probably a powerlifter or bodybuilder. I can almost assure you that 99% of the fat people you know probably aren't that muscular. Nor are they big-boned for that matter.Pissy Missy wrote: »
and a heavy 'unhealthy' person may actually have more muscle which is heavier than fat btw but is medically overweight due to BMI...check it out
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/healthyliving/fitandfat.htm.
That other thing you're talking about is the other side of the spectrum. There is no reason why it needs to be one extreme or the other. Everyone knows that undereating and not getting your macronutrient ratios under control is unhealthy as well.
edit: I just have to agree with you on the point about culture though. I'm in Sweden atm and it's amazing just how health conscious the Swedes are. They cycle everywhere and eat cottage cheese and everything. It's almost surreal when compared to Ireland0 -
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haha personal much, depends on if im working or not work 3 cycle shift so day and night shifts, i dont binge drink if i stay in might have 8 cans or 10-12 bottles, in the pub could have between 5-11 pints, i only drink beerPissy Missy wrote: »Well like you sound pretty health conscious and active and you do have to remember that we all have different proportionate body shapes so just coz one person 'should' be this BMI, doesn't def mean 'you' should be, however I noticed you left out some of the details of the junk food, apologies for the potentially personal boundary here but say what would you eat usually in the week?
Well done 4 the mcdonald choice, the no smoking, and the lack of drinking, however wud u binge drink on that one night?
typical day shift i would have a bowl of crunchy nut corn flakes, around half 6, then first break at half nine probably have a fry and a cup of tea, next break at half one could have a full dinner maybe some chicken, pasta, beef, pizza whatevers on, with something fizzy to wash it down (sometime i just crave something fizzy at work dunno why), then another break around 5, have a bar or pack of taytos, another cup of tea, then get home could have a burger (by itself, avoid chips if possible, with a rasher some cheese onion and tomato sauce) or a pizza, chicken curry and rice, ham and chicken pie, chicken maryland (with chips), spegetti bolognese, ETC and i might have something else around half 10 if i feel a bit hungry,
typical night shift, wake up (around half 10-12 on first night) have a bowl or CNCFs, around lunch could have sandwhichs white bread, or eggs with 2 slices of toast, might go get a salad roll in the shop up the road (there very nice:)), then have a nap for an hour around 5 get up at six have a dinner, haed to work first break around 10, a sandwhich on wholegrain bread, a bar or some fruit with a cup of tea or water, next break around 2 in the morning, another sandwhich, and some fruit with milk or water, and then around 5-6 in the morning a bowl of cerial, probably cheerios, (second third nights i wouldnt have a lunch but would have cerial)
day off, up around 10 bowl of CNCFs (love them lol) lunch as usual and dinner as usual, rarely eat much inbetwen during the mornings or afternoons, a few cups of tea always, with the odd bar, could possibly get fast food of some sorts (McDs, dominoes, chinese, donatellos) at least one night around 10 or 11 with the buddies,
i have a niece and nephew who are always in my house and the father has a sweeth tooth so no shortage of sweets:D0 -
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haha personal much, depends on if im working or not work 3 cycle shift so day and night shifts, i dont binge drink if i stay in might have 8 cans or 10-12 bottles, in the pub could have between 5-11 pints, i only drink beer
typical day shift i would have a bowl of crunchy nut corn flakes, around half 6, then first break at half nine probably have a fry and a cup of tea, next break at half one could have a full dinner maybe some chicken, pasta, beef, pizza whatevers on, with something fizzy to wash it down (sometime i just crave something fizzy at work dunno why), then another break around 5, have a bar or pack of taytos, another cup of tea, then get home could have a burger (by itself, avoid chips if possible, with a rasher some cheese onion and tomato sauce) or a pizza, chicken curry and rice, ham and chicken pie, chicken maryland (with chips), spegetti bolognese, ETC and i might have something else around half 10 if i feel a bit hungry,
typical night shift, wake up (around half 10-12 on first night) have a bowl or CNCFs, around lunch could have sandwhichs white bread, or eggs with 2 slices of toast, might go get a salad roll in the shop up the road (there very nice:)), then have a nap for an hour around 5 get up at six have a dinner, haed to work first break around 10, a sandwhich on wholegrain bread, a bar or some fruit with a cup of tea or water, next break around 2 in the morning, another sandwhich, and some fruit with milk or water, and then around 5-6 in the morning a bowl of cerial, probably cheerios, (second third nights i wouldnt have a lunch but would have cerial)
day off, up around 10 bowl of CNCFs (love them lol) lunch as usual and dinner as usual, rarely eat much inbetwen during the mornings or afternoons, a few cups of tea always, with the odd bar, could possibly get fast food of some sorts (McDs, dominoes, chinese, donatellos) at least one night around 10 or 11 with the buddies,
i have a niece and nephew who are always in my house and the father has a sweeth tooth so no shortage of sweets:D
Well a lot of research highly suggests that people who go to bed late at night and get up late or just have too little sleep tend to be heavier than those who go to bed early and wake up early (may quit ur job lol :P )
Thank you. You have given me soo much info and I appreciate it…ok what we could consider are the little things which can lead to the big problem…so lets observe and analyse…
Your cereal…like depending on what portion size you have and what type of milk/ portion you use (full-fat/semi-skimmed/skimmed) are factors that are important. Also you say they are crunchy nut cork-flakes, do you eat the crunchy nut feast? There are so yummy but cn be mean to the waistline if you have too much, too much of a good thing I guess
Also I’m not sure if the same applies 4 crunchy nut cornflakes, but original conflakes usually has glucose-fructose syrup which has been linked to messing with blood sugar levels which can mess with your hunger levels. It is suggested to try go as natural/organic as possible, like have natural sugar instead for example, but the amount of sugar per portion can vary so wise up on the ingredient quantities of your brands.
With you fry…you didn’t state if you grill it or cook it on a frying pan…if you use the pan…are you using margarine or that 1 calorie frying spray or better yet, olive oil? Great for your heart and even coconut oil has been suggested to help lose weight through some research and studies.
Your tea…do you have sugar with it or do you use an artificial low/no calories sweetener? Even though the low cal sweeteners are lower in calories, studies strongly suggest that they have been linked to many ailments such as Alzheimer’s, brain haemorrhages, and loads of other serious/not so serious ailments which many other no calories drinks or low calorie food can do also depending on the ingredient eg aspartame. Also…studies suggest that these products actually trick your brain into feeling hungrier hence defying the purpose really.
With your full dinner…is the pasta wholemeal? Coz white pasta (and other white carbs) means that all the nutrients have been stripped through the processing, meaning your body dosen’t get the nutrition it needs and you just get hungrier faster coz by eating wholemeal foods or complex carbs, the energy (or food) lasts much longer as our body is digesting the ‘whole’ of the product where the ‘stripped’ will lead to an high blood sugar levels fast, then a drop in blood sugar levels where your just gona be hungrier sooner.
And like with the pizza and chicken…do you make that yourself? Is the chicken grilled or fried or pasta made in lots of cheese or high calorie sauces?
Can I ask how much fizzy do you drink? And what type? Did you know that coke actually corrodes and eats away at your bone mass…leading to more brittle bones as you get older and maybe even osteoporosis! Also many soft drinks provide up to 10 teaspoons of sugar per can! :eek: Also before you think you may be getting away with weight gain effects from a drink coz of no fat on the nutritional content, if glucose/sugar (energy) isn’t being used or accelerated by the body, it will still be converted into fat which can be the excess you see on your body or the harmful stuff that you cnt c that clogs your arteries, leading to potentially high cholesterol and perhaps even heart issues.:(
Ok so what type of bar/taytos do you eat and are they a normal serving or a share size? These all matter! Plus your taytos could be lower/higher in fat if they were either oven baked, or depending on what oil was used in the process. Also, if your bar is chocolate, what type? There is a lot of evidence suggesting that dark chocolate no less than 70% cocoa can actually help you live longer, help you heart and may even help you lose weight! As there are so many antioxidants and gud stuff that cums wit it. Where if you’re a plain chocolate bar, chances are all nutrients are gone and all sugar/fat/calories are heightened! ECT ECT ECT
I think even if you are eating the food made in the healthy way, its very possible you taking in way too much high calorie food. Apart 4m your salad roll, im not seeing too many vegetables in your diet which are so important for your body, helps so much with weight loss coz the body loves the nutrients, its like your body gets a detox 4m them. If u dnt love veg, try tinkn of ways to make it part of ur daily food intake, like soup or smoothies, carrots are fab as a snack and fab in smoothies! :P
Glad your getting some fruit but with that and all the other sugar your body is taking in, too much cn actually lead to diabetes type II believe it or not!
I think you eat at good timing, like studies suggest eating every 3-4 hrs is important as it keeps your metabolism at burning best and also stabilizes blood sugar levels, helping you feel fuller for longer (depending on what your eating nd how much of it of course)! Tea can be good coz its usually packed full of antioxidants, especially green tea which has been proven to help you lose weight and research is suggesting loads of other health benefits too!
With the late night eating, research is suggesting that this should be avoided, however other research suggests that it depends on what your doing at that time, like will you be walking around while your eating or just sitting down? Like will you be burning more energy around that time of eating or not? Also it is suggested to wait 2 hrs after you eat before you go to sleep coz it cn effect your fat buring process otherwise.
Ok im pooped…cud keep going on but essentially I think if you were organised, like had your meals made earlier and planned, it would be easier to eat healthier, and look up how much possible excess food your eating due to your shift work, you may/ may not be surprised and also start slowly by making small changes, like swapping full fat milk for low fat milk and instead of 7 slices (exaggeration) of white bread have 3 slices of wholemeal bread. Just things like that. You dnt hav to make dramatic changes…just take baby steps and to the degree that feels right for you.
Also I highly recommend Weight Watchers, it’s the support, reinforcement and motivation I needed anyway, however its annoys me that the don’t address psychological, biological, social and other factors that are important and may be causation to why people fail at diets or whatever, guess that’s how they stay in business really then :rolleyes:0 -
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Mindkiller wrote: »It didn't cost me a cent to research the basic information so I don't see why the recession would factor in any way other than in the actual buying of healthy food which is admittedly pricier. But you can't put a price on personal wellbeing.
You don't think that the BMI is designed to incorporate variances in bone density and organ weight as it is? The BMI isn't an exact science but for better or worse it's pretty much spot on when it comes to sedentary people who don't have much muscle. The muscalature of a fat person in most cases isn't going to be a significant factor in him or her going over the BMI.
Well they should take the time to inform themselves. They only have themselves to blame on that one. No point in blaming the recession or society for making them ignorant.
Yes you can research the information which doesn’t cost a cent (apart 4m d labtop, the electricity used to charge your battery and the amount you pay to have access to the internet)
Firstly, the research you get on the internet can be from unreliable sources including outdated at that.
Secondly, if a person is unaware of the risks of eating non-nutritious food or why too much portions can lead to excess weight if it is not been used up by the body efficiently, why on earth would they even think of researching such things? Like Ignorance is bliss.
Now with the recession…people are turning to education as one alternative, as you may have heard there were only going to be one place for every 2 ppl recently who applied 4 a course, but the recession is a factor coz the people that perhaps lack the education/information makes it harder for them to see the reality of food factors, so without awareness or knowledge of what they are actually eating, how can they really know all the problems connected…like they are not psychic. Now I know it seems like a practical logical everyday thing…but to some its not that way.
Now actually you can eat way healthier and economise at the same time…I dnt have to be so conscious of this anymore, its like automatic to me as I am a stereotypically poor student, so I dnt have a choice but to budget and I know its easy to be healthy and actually sometimes saving more money that way instead of surviving on junk or processed foods.
With BMI, this accounts for your body weight and height which is multiplied/ calculated to give you ur average body mass index.
So if you are basing your argument on that the BMI is not a tool that incorporates variances in bone density, organs ect then where are your stats to say that sedentary people don’t have much muscle mass? How can you tell as the BMI is not designed for such things as muscle mass? How much of the population is sedentary actually? And are you saying that sedentary people are all over the BMI, like you don’t know any skinny person who does virtually no or very little activity but their BMI is fine or even below average?
Not dissing BMI, its okay but is not an accurate way to state if a person is healthy or not and therefore can be misleading. And how fat is this person by the way that is also having a standard of muscularity? Mucles burns more calories than fat, and also there are two types of fat, the type We have adipose tissue all over the body. This tissue is made of adipocytes (fat cells) whose sole job is to store energy in the form of fat. Body fat distribution differs from person to person. There are generally two types of fat storage:visceral (surrounding organs) and subcutaneous (beneath the skin, and intramuscular fat interspersed in skeletal muscles - about 80% of all body fat). Fat in the lower body, as in thighs and buttocks, is subcutaneous (not threatening), whereas when excess fat is in the abdomen, it is mostly visceral.
My point is fat can be all over the body and when it is in tissue and the skeleton which makes up a massive 80%, of course the BMI can be so wrong. Are you saying science is always right? No! Also it depends on the gender, age and body shape of the person, Female sex hormone causes fat to be stored in the buttocks, thighs, and hips in women. Men are more likely to have fat stored in the belly due to sex hormone differences. When women reach menopause and the estrogen produced by ovaries declines, fat migrates from their buttocks, hips and thighs to their waists; later fat is stored in the belly.
An excess of visceral fat/belly fat may lead to cardiovascular disease. Excess visceral fat is also linked to type 2 diabetes, insulin resistance, inflammatory diseases, and other diseases.
So the excess of this fat in the particular location are factors that may more likely lead to danger
How can you take the time to inform yourself of something that is not even in your head like. Research suggest that people are not getting enough education on food and the risks associated with it. Also, the amount of money spent on advertising junk food compared to healthy food is laughable, social pressure, influence and conformity are factors that need to be considered. Also studies suggest that brain lacks control for obese people due to factors such as evolution where they can see a high calorie food and there brain and genetics process a means for survival, this would have been useful back when food was scarce however we do not need so much now, however their brain lacks locus of control where they can switch off/control the dopamine or feelings of reward or temptation.
Also even if you could rationalise to a person the reality of food and its value, that doesn’t mean it will be mastered effectively, as in today’s world factors such as psychological, physiological, biological, emotional, cultural, environmental and social have to be considered, and don’t get me started on the media…where subliminal messaging and dominant advertising and informed information and air brushed images nd pressures of what beautiful is and then there telling you to keep eating burgers like…WTF!
Like maybe you are naturally very self-disciplined and pragmatic in your thinking on this and were lucky never to have had a disorder or have an unstable family or social life in your environment, but your lack of empathy and detached perspective requires a massive re-evaluation kid:pac:0 -
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The parents are like this because they are ignorant and/or lazy. They don't have bad eating habits because their parents had bad eating habits. Not to mention the fact that even in the 80s eating habits in Ireland were very different to how they are today. There are a lot more fatties floating around right now than there were even during the 90s.
Chemical imbalances - very rare.
Genetic factors - very rare.
Social - such as?
Cultural - so because Irish culture dictates you drink plenty of pints it's ok to be a fat unhealthy mess? Nope.
Environmental - What?
Psychological - Being fat is due to eating more calories than you burn. If someone eats too much food for a psychological reason and don't have to will power to change it then tough shít.
Financial reasons - If you have time to eat you have time to exercise. Nobody works so much that they have enough time to eat themselves obese but don't have time to have a walk. Healthy eating choices would help such a person maintain a healthy weight even without excercising. And with regards to academic purposes, nobody studies so much that they cannot go for a walk. If they do then they should study the quote "a healthy body is a healthy mind" while eating a fúcking salad.
It's extremely rare for there to be any actual, unavoidable reasons for someone to be overweight. They are the exception and not the rule. There are a serious amount of overweight people and I'd estimate that 99% of them don't have any reason not to shake off the excess.
Ok so didn't realise you were around your mum and dad when they were growing up every second of every day and you did it simultaneously...fair ****s to you man! :pac:
Ok so obviously eating habits were diff bk then, especially is such a poor country that was and again is Ireland. Clearly money wasn't readily available as it is now, and when you did have it, you didn't have the option to spoil yourself with a new car or cake but gave it to your parents or watever.
And where are you getting your statistics from apart 4m ur ignorant arrogant mind?
Like chemical imbalances rare?! Do you even know what i'm talking about? Neurotransmitters and serotonin levels in the brain... the most common things ever and your telling me rare...you make me laugh:pac:
Genetics and evolution, research suggests that evolution and lack of brain control may contribute to obesity.. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articl...20/3321542.htm.
And cummon your actually questioning social factors? R u serious? Did you ever open ur eyes man!?? Social as in social influences such as media (they decide what is beatiful and what is not and then advertise euphoric airbrushed images of 'models' so when the person strives to become this idea of 'beautiful' it doesn't happen (because its not real) which the victim is unaware of and is seduced by the other euphoric airbrushed picture of a burger or sum other junk where their guilt/ disapointment is hidden by the forbiddon donut (homer simpson ) momentarily as the brain releases a chemical in the brain called dopamine which responds to rewards, temptations such as shopping and sex which also release the chemical and research suggests that sugar can be as addictive as craic to sum ppl, advertising, the INTERNET 4 example, the power of social conformity which I think you are seriously underestimating. The social norms in ones group and environment.
Cultural because it you ever opened a history book you'll notice that Ireland never really ruled its own state, America and Britain usually took control when it came to war and power, so culturally and statistically we seem to be following the wave and trend of overweight and obesity from the other countries...also the weather here is a big factor, its usually unpredictable and mostly crap, if you cn't afford the gym and work until it gets dark, going 4 a walk at night is not advisable unless greeting the possibility of been attacked/raped/run over. Oh and yes...ALCOHOL...a massive contributor to weight gain 4m the amount you drink...to the damage it plays on blood sugar levels which means that kebab on the way home, to the decrease on metabolic rate its been shown to have, with either a decrease/numbing of brain cells and making the liver bleed, and then the nxt day, hangover food, and when did I say its ok to be a fat unhealthy mess!? especially it is not ok to be this way in general, but def not ok by over consumption of alcohol... I believe in being healthy...and drinking lots of pints over the stereotype of being Irish is the worst excuse in the book and personally I would rather be obese than get drunk 4m alcohol and make a show of myself...i think alcohol cn be a far worse drug in comparison to being fat depending on the effect alcohol has on the particular person that is, but alcohol acceptability or at leart of the irresponsible amount of it a person consumes here is sick, it should be either illegal or restricted per amount per person!
The environment the person is in could change continuesly eg A person goes to college after being under the safe protection of ones parents where they were mothered til then. The start of college can be scary ... where there may be pressure to make friends, to fit in, to keep up with exams while trying to understand the concept of independence and how to make that savage casserole mum does oh so well. Without the proper structure and support system one has been used to 4 so long, things can become more challenging. There is also some students who feel the financial pressure where parents dnt hand over everyting on a silver platter but where they have to earn their own keep. Another big pressure, especially if this is alien to them. And missing ones family friends and routine that they were use to cn make the person feel slightly withdrawn and isiolated, but different folks, different strokes
Psychological is A MASSIVE THING! Have you ever heard of conscious/unconscious dynamic. There is so much info around us constantly that it wud be impossible to assimilate everything in our conscious mind, so a lot of the info is taken in through the unconscious mind, oh wow its very interesting but i ain't gna type so will just send u a link
http://www.kensor.net/sriordan/ch17.htm
Here is a summary of an article to show you losing weight aint as crystal clear as you 'see' it, and academic studies highlight this
"Who succeeds in maintaining weight loss? A conceptual review of factors associated with weight loss maintenance and weight regain"
K. Elfhag, S. Rössner
Summary
"Weight loss is difficult to achieve and maintaining the weight loss is an even greater challenge. The identification of factors associated with weight loss maintenance can enhance our understanding for the behaviours and prerequisites that are crucial in sustaining a lowered body weight. In this paper we have reviewed the literature on factors associated with weight loss maintenance and weight regain. We have used a definition of weight maintenance implying intentional weight loss that has subsequently been maintained for at least 6 months. According to our review, successful weight maintenance is associated with more initial weight loss, reaching a self-determined goal weight, having a physically active lifestyle, a regular meal rhythm including breakfast and healthier eating, control of over-eating and self-monitoring of behaviours. Weight maintenance is further associated with an internal motivation to lose weight, social support, better coping strategies and ability to handle life stress, self-efficacy, autonomy, assuming responsibility in life, and overall more psychological strength and stability. Factors that may pose a risk for weight regain include a history of weight cycling, disinhibited eating, binge eating, more hunger, eating in response to negative emotions and stress, and more passive reactions to problems".
To read pdf go here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2005.00170.x/full
"It's extremely rare for there to be any actual, unavoidable reasons for someone to be overweight"
WOW what an argument you make...you'll win the noble prize 4 sure now and suddenly wipe out the obese epidemic with such profound understanding of cognitions and mankind.
With such knowledge...I believe its fair 4 me to point out that its extremely rare 4 there to be any actual, unavoidable reasons for men to be detached narcissistic whorebags...
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If someone want's it bad enough they will find a way.
I train 5+ days a week and have to eat a LOT of food to offset this. I recently broke my arm though and didn't alter my diet when I wasn't training so put on a bit of weight. Im designing a diet to lose the weight while I slowly progress back to training.
Maybe , maybe not...all in moderation baby...does the training consist of typing on boards....? Coz I'm liking this strategy 0 -
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It's a joke. All that stuff about eating every 3-4 hours and not eating before bed is a myth. It's all unsubstantiated BS. I doesn't matter what time of day you eat or how you space out your meals or whether you do handstand pushups while eating. Total nonsense.Pissy Missy wrote: »Lol ha yes- that was a reliable source of academic information :rolleyes:
You clearly win on this 1 :P
As for social factors and all that, that's an extremely lame excuse for neglecting your body. Anyone with a defeatist attitude like that deserves to get fat imo. If your talking about thyroid problems then they are extremely rare and there are options for people like that. The only factor that matters at the end of the day are the physiological ones.
I don't buy that people don't have time to eat well and exercise either, especially if they have time to play video games, watch movies, update facebook and argue about things on the internet. There's always time.
Ok, lets be real, most people have access to these utilities and if internet access is a problem they can go to a library. If they don't have the willpower to do that then they obviously don't want to be healthy.Pissy Missy wrote: »Yes you can research the information which doesn’t cost a cent (apart 4m d labtop, the electricity used to charge your battery and the amount you pay to have access to the internet)
Firstly, the research you get on the internet can be from unreliable sources including outdated at that.
Edit: regarding 'unreliable' resources, there is a reason why you compare and contrast sources and look for ones that are most likely to be reliable. If you're a college student then you should already know how that works. Some of the stuff you're citing is quite unreliable as well (the metabolism thing mentioned above).
Stats? Are you for real? Being sedentary induces muscle atrophy. Of course they don't have much muscle mass. When have you ever heard of a lazy slob with loads of muscle?Pissy Missy wrote: »then where are your stats to say that sedentary people don’t have much muscle mass? How can you tell as the BMI is not designed for such things as muscle mass? How much of the population is sedentary actually? And are you saying that sedentary people are all over the BMI, like you don’t know any skinny person who does virtually no or very little activity but their BMI is fine or even below average?
The thread is about overweight people. Where skinny people fit in on the BMI is neither here nor there. No-one is disputing that the BMI isn't a particulary precise instrument but for fat, sedentary slobs it's pretty much spot on. But at that point their BMI kind of becomes a moot point. They can tell how unhealthy they are by just looking in the mirror
Right. So fat people are zombies with no self-control. We aren't primitive apes anymore. Theres a little thing called 'restraint' which society has discovered somewhere in the past 65 million years. It's the reason why rape and murder is now frowned upon rather than the accepted norm.Also studies suggest that brain lacks control for obese people due to factors such as evolution where they can see a high calorie food and there brain and genetics process a means for survival, this would have been useful back when food was scarce however we do not need so much now, however their brain lacks locus of control where they can switch off/control the dopamine or feelings of reward or temptation.
Civilize the mind but make savage the body.And with regards to academic purposes, nobody studies so much that they cannot go for a walk. If they do then they should study the quote "a healthy body is a healthy mind" while eating a fúcking salad. 0 -
Mindkiller wrote: »Right. So fat people are zombies with no self-control. We aren't primitive apes anymore. Theres a little thing called 'restraint' which society has discovered somewhere in the past 65 million years. It's the reason why rape and murder is now frowned upon rather than the accepted norm.[/I]
HMM...We aren't primitive apes anymore? Fascinating as to the amount of cheating and affairs that go on everyday...so much that little thing you call 'restraint'...I'll agree with you on 1 thing...it sures is little...and the only reason why rape and murder is frowned upon is esentially to law...and in earlier time... religion(especially roman Catholicism/ Christianity) was at its peak and the 10 commandments were a way of controlling destructive behaviour such as rape/stealing in society ect...your 'morals/beliefs' are more than likely a by product from TV/Religion/the Law/the environment you grew up in...you should question 'your' values/originality and may be surprised to what you find...its not an argument but a friendly suggestion...I quite enjoy this chat I do b-ger
But yeah...just coz I'm being a lazy slob rite now dosen't mean the person who has to keep a roof over their family's head to and work two-three jobs to do so is.
I'm too sedentary too respond to the previous comments...perhaps we should agree to disagree...can I ask what age are you and what do you though please? Like job/school ect? 0 -
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3ndahalfof6 wrote: »just wondering, what training you do that a broken arm would stop it.
Try 'mindfulness' Really! Its gud stuff 0 -
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Pissy Missy wrote: »Ok so didn't realise you were around your mum and dad when they were growing up every second of every day and you did it simultaneously...fair ****s to you man! :pac:
No but they did play a large part in feeding me, as did most people's parents.
Ok so obviously eating habits were diff bk then, especially is such a poor country that was and again is Ireland. Clearly money wasn't readily available as it is now, and when you did have it, you didn't have the option to spoil yourself with a new car or cake but gave it to your parents or watever.
So because we have more disposable income it is more acceptable to become obese by spending it on cakes? Nope.
And where are you getting your statistics from apart 4m ur ignorant arrogant mind? Like chemical imbalances rare?! Do you even know what i'm talking about? Neurotransmitters and serotonin levels in the brain... the most common things ever and your telling me rare...you make me laugh:pac:
I said chemical imbalances are rare. Where did I say neurotransmitters or serotonin is rare? LOL.
Genetics and evolution, research suggests that evolution and lack of brain control may contribute to obesity.. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articl...20/3321542.htm.
Page not found. I'll tell you what actually contributes to obesity though - eating too much. There weren't as many fat asshóles back in the day and they had largely the same genetic makeup. Genetics is just a fat person excuse. It may play a major role in some people but again they are the exception - for most people the genetic variations with regards to weight gain/loss will be negligible.
And cummon your actually questioning social factors? R u serious? Did you ever open ur eyes man!?? Social as in social influences such as media (they decide what is beatiful and what is not and then advertise euphoric airbrushed images of 'models' so when the person strives to become this idea of 'beautiful' it doesn't happen (because its not real) which the victim is unaware of and is seduced by the other euphoric airbrushed picture of a burger or sum other junk where their guilt/ disapointment is hidden by the forbiddon donut (homer simpson ) momentarily as the brain releases a chemical in the brain called dopamine which responds to rewards, temptations such as shopping and sex which also release the chemical and research suggests that sugar can be as addictive as craic to sum ppl, advertising, the INTERNET 4 example, the power of social conformity which I think you are seriously underestimating. The social norms in ones group and environment.
Cultural because it you ever opened a history book you'll notice that Ireland never really ruled its own state, America and Britain usually took control when it came to war and power, so culturally and statistically we seem to be following the wave and trend of overweight and obesity from the other countries...also the weather here is a big factor, its usually unpredictable and mostly crap, if you cn't afford the gym and work until it gets dark, going 4 a walk at night is not advisable unless greeting the possibility of been attacked/raped/run over. Oh and yes...ALCOHOL...a massive contributor to weight gain 4m the amount you drink...to the damage it plays on blood sugar levels which means that kebab on the way home, to the decrease on metabolic rate its been shown to have, with either a decrease/numbing of brain cells and making the liver bleed, and then the nxt day, hangover food, and when did I say its ok to be a fat unhealthy mess!? especially it is not ok to be this way in general, but def not ok by over consumption of alcohol... I believe in being healthy...and drinking lots of pints over the stereotype of being Irish is the worst excuse in the book and personally I would rather be obese than get drunk 4m alcohol and make a show of myself...i think alcohol cn be a far worse drug in comparison to being fat depending on the effect alcohol has on the particular person that is, but alcohol acceptability or at leart of the irresponsible amount of it a person consumes here is sick, it should be either illegal or restricted per amount per person!
This whole paragraph is full of pseudoscience, I could pick it apart piece by piece but I can't be arsed as it would take forever.
The environment the person is in could change continuesly eg A person goes to college after being under the safe protection of ones parents where they were mothered til then. The start of college can be scary ... where there may be pressure to make friends, to fit in, to keep up with exams while trying to understand the concept of independence and how to make that savage casserole mum does oh so well. Without the proper structure and support system one has been used to 4 so long, things can become more challenging. There is also some students who feel the financial pressure where parents dnt hand over everyting on a silver platter but where they have to earn their own keep. Another big pressure, especially if this is alien to them. And missing ones family friends and routine that they were use to cn make the person feel slightly withdrawn and isiolated, but different folks, different strokes
Not sure how this contributes to obesity. Students getting fatter can usually be put down to binge drinking that those fresher's do so well. Just because college is 'scary' doesn't mean you can sacrifice one hour for the gym or just eat somewhat well.
Psychological is A MASSIVE THING! Have you ever heard of conscious/unconscious dynamic. There is so much info around us constantly that it wud be impossible to assimilate everything in our conscious mind, so a lot of the info is taken in through the unconscious mind, oh wow its very interesting but i ain't gna type so will just send u a link
http://www.kensor.net/sriordan/ch17.htm
Pseudoscience
Here is a summary of an article to show you losing weight aint as crystal clear as you 'see' it, and academic studies highlight this
"Who succeeds in maintaining weight loss? A conceptual review of factors associated with weight loss maintenance and weight regain"
K. Elfhag, S. Rössner
Summary
"Weight loss is difficult to achieve and maintaining the weight loss is an even greater challenge. The identification of factors associated with weight loss maintenance can enhance our understanding for the behaviours and prerequisites that are crucial in sustaining a lowered body weight. In this paper we have reviewed the literature on factors associated with weight loss maintenance and weight regain. We have used a definition of weight maintenance implying intentional weight loss that has subsequently been maintained for at least 6 months. According to our review, successful weight maintenance is associated with more initial weight loss, reaching a self-determined goal weight, having a physically active lifestyle, a regular meal rhythm including breakfast and healthier eating, control of over-eating and self-monitoring of behaviours. Weight maintenance is further associated with an internal motivation to lose weight, social support, better coping strategies and ability to handle life stress, self-efficacy, autonomy, assuming responsibility in life, and overall more psychological strength and stability. Factors that may pose a risk for weight regain include a history of weight cycling, disinhibited eating, binge eating, more hunger, eating in response to negative emotions and stress, and more passive reactions to problems".
To read pdf go here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2005.00170.x/full
Wow. A review of factors affecting weight loss / gain which essentially concludes that assuming responsibility for what you eat coupled with self motivation will lead to good weight maintenance. Who'd have thunk it??? Binge eating is associated with weight gain - STOP THE PRESS
"It's extremely rare for there to be any actual, unavoidable reasons for someone to be overweight"
WOW what an argument you make...you'll win the noble prize 4 sure now and suddenly wipe out the obese epidemic with such profound understanding of cognitions and mankind.
Dunno about the noble prize but I doubt I'll be winning a Nobel prize for stating the obvious and known. Eating more calories than you burn is what caused the obese epidemic, not genetics or any other bullshít. It essentially comes down to more crap being available in supermarkets for people to eat and more money to buy the crap along with the widespread acceptance of being a 'curvy, real woman' or a 'cuddly bear man'. Lol. There are a lot less fat people in countries where they don't consume as much shít as we do in the western world. It's funny how none of these chemical imbalances or genetic variations (which must have been introduced in the last few decades???) have been seen in the entire continent of Africa or why it has been seen on such a smaller scale in India or China, the countries with the 2 largest populations. Typically there will be a rise in obesity along with an increasingly better economy, ergo more money more crap.
With such knowledge...I believe its fair 4 me to point out that its extremely rare 4 there to be any actual, unavoidable reasons for men to be detached narcissistic whorebags...
And this is relevant how?
Now open a book and then maybe we can talk...good day to you sir;)
Nice condescending finish despite the fact that you have posted a load of dribble with no actual scientific basis and yet have such a number of reasons why people become obese. I believe eating too much is the reason. It would take a dumb man to disagree. The reasons for this vary but there are no excuses. Nobody is being force fed mars bars, it's a personal choice and genetic or hormonal imbalances are so extremely rare that they aren't even worth mentioning considering how many obese people there are. Not all of them have a valid reason, the vast majority of them are just irresponsible slobs.
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Mindkiller wrote: »I can only speak for myself but I most definately do not 'hate' fat people for being fat. I do, however, have zero respect for people in that condition who do nothing to fix it when they can and go as far as to justify it with silly catchphrases and psuedoscience. I don't understand why someone would delude themselves like that or blame someone else for their problems when 99% of the time it is themselves they have to blame.
Ok...well i dnt speak robot so cnt relate to you dude
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