Bond 23 - "Skyfall" *spoilers from post 595*

humanji

I've just read that the new Bond movie will be caleld "Skyfall". They've already set up two websites: SkyfallTheFilm.com and JamesBond-Skyfall.com (which don't load for me, so they may not even have set them up yet. Or I may just be incompetent, which seems more likely).

Danial Craig and Judi Dench are still in it, with Javiar Bardem rumoured to be the badguy (who I'm hoping is named Count Otto Von Skyfall or something cartoonish as they had in the old films), and Naomie Harris is rumoured to be Ms Moneypenny.

So, is everyone excited about this? Or is everyone else jaded by the formulaic plots, shallow characters and innuendos that make me love Bond movies?

JP Liz V1

It gets a name "Skyfall" Source and Adele is to be doing the theme tune

irishh_bob

humanji wrote: »

I've just read that the new Bond movie will be caleld "Skyfall". They've already set up two websites: SkyfallTheFilm.com and JamesBond-Skyfall.com (which don't load for me, so they may not even have set them up yet. Or I may just be incompetent, which seems more likely).

Danial Craig and Judi Dench are still in it, with Javiar Bardem rumoured to be the badguy (who I'm hoping is named Count Otto Von Skyfall or something cartoonish as they had in the old films), and Naomie Harris is rumoured to be Ms Moneypenny.

So, is everyone excited about this? Or is everyone else jaded by the formulaic plots, shallow characters and innuendos that make me love Bond movies?

i like naomi watts but not sure she is bond material

not a great title either

Sad Professor

It is Naomie Harris, not Naomi Watts.

JP Liz V1

Source

Javier Bardem confirms he is next Bond villain

pixelburp

"Skyfall", hmmm. The name sounds like one of those Bond videogame adaptations they've been trying to make over the last few years. In fact I believe one of the last ones was called "Nightfire", ha.

foxyboxer

Nevermind who's playing who. I want to know what watch he'll be wearing

-Kenny-

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It gets a name "Skyfall" Source and Adele is to be doing the theme tune

Ahhh BOOOOOOOOOOOO

syklops

foxyboxer wrote: »

Nevermind who's playing who. I want to know what watch he'll be wearing

An Omega Seamaster as usual I would imagine.

Mickeroo wrote:

I'd be delighted to see them finish what they started with Craig,

Don't really get the craig haters tbh, and I think QoS was pretty decent, you just have to take it as Casino Royale part 2, it literally starts minutes after casino royale finished, watch them back to back and it's much better.

Casino Royale is the best bond movie ever, making bond into a bad ass cold blooded killer was a stroke of genius and is more like the character Ian Fleming had in mind in the first place.

I agree they should keep Craig, but even as Casino Royale part 2, which wasnt properly explained to movie goers, QoS is still a bit of a mess at the end.

I would actually be more inclined to keep Craig and Dench, and just start a new story. Leave quantum in the Bolivian desert. Ive watched it a few times and I still dont quite know how they end up in Bolivia.

As for someone like Nolan 'rebooting' the franchise, I gotta say, its already been rebooted, its been rebooted well. All it needs is a strong story. It had one in CR, but it felt like that tacked QoS onto the end of CR, meaning CR shares some of the criticism of QoS, which is a bit unfair, and was a daft thing for the producers to do.

humanji

foxyboxer wrote: »

Nevermind who's playing who. I want to know what watch he'll be wearing

A pink Swatch.

Penn

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It gets a name "Skyfall" Source and Adele is to be doing the theme tune

One of the lyrics of the chorus has been released

# Skyfall... James Bond broke up with me but I'm stronger now because of it... Skyfaaalllllll #

paddyismaddy

pixelburp wrote: »

"Skyfall", hmmm. The name sounds like one of those Bond videogame adaptations they've been trying to make over the last few years. In fact I believe one of the last ones was called "Nightfire", ha.

better title than qos

humanji

In fairness though, Quantum Of solace was the name of a Bond story.

Anakin.S

humanji wrote: »

In fairness though, Quantum Of solace was the name of a Bond story.

and the definition of the title actually fitted in quite well with the ending of the film

Bond finding the guy who initially set up Vespa and instead of killing him stops him from doing the same to another woman

syklops

Anakin.S wrote: »

and the definition of the title actually fitted in quite well with the ending of the film

Bond finding the guy who initially set up Vespa and instead of killing him stops him from doing the same to another woman

Would it not have been better if he had

stopped him from doing the same to another woman, by killing him

Mr. K

syklops wrote: »

Would it not have been better if he had

stopped him from doing the same to another woman, by killing him

Nah,

killing him

would've meant that Bond hadn't grown as a character.

ricero

im not liking this. there bond films for a reason

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/bond-23-skyfall-expected-to-drop-action-scenes-in/250600

pixelburp

Meh, worth a try if this is true. Seriously. The James Bond franchise is a tired, vacant meme at this stage, even with the attempt to reboot it with Craig's turn in the role.

In any case, I seriously doubt the studio would allow Mendes to remove all the action from a Bond movie - the franchise is one of the most lucrative for branding after all - but if he could do it, it might be an interesting experiment. We're 22 movies in people - some fresh approaches wouldn't go amiss at this stage.

krudler

ricero wrote: »

im not liking this. there bond films for a reason

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/bond-23-skyfall-expected-to-drop-action-scenes-in/250600

I'm not liking I had to go to nme's website to view that :pac:

I thought Casino Royale got the mix of action and drama just right, the poker game went on for a good chunk of the movie and the action never felt too ridiculous aside from the sinking house. if they remove all the action scenes it just wont be a Bond movie, you can alter things to keep them fresh but it'd just be another spy thriller without some of the trademarks, CR refreshed the series just enough.

Mickeroo

I don't see why the action should have to be toned down too much to get an oscar nom. Surely if Johhny Depp can get nominated for POTC......

ricero

krudler wrote: »

ricero wrote: »

im not liking this. there bond films for a reason

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/bond-23-skyfall-expected-to-drop-action-scenes-in/250600

I'm not liking I had to go to nme's website to view that :pac:

I thought Casino Royale got the mix of action and drama just right, the poker game went on for a good chunk of the movie and the action never felt too ridiculous aside from the sinking house. if they remove all the action scenes it just wont be a Bond movie, you can alter things to keep them fresh but it'd just be another spy thriller without some of the trademarks, CR refreshed the series just enough.

I totally agree that casino royale has the perfect blend of both action and drama it's just a perfect movie IMO and totally refresed Many peoples intrest in the franchise. I would actually like to see the character of bond develop more and show the strain and pain this career choice has on his life but still keep the amazing action sequences in there for the die hard bond fans

LighterGuy

I am actually starting to go off the Bond movies

Casino Royale was good.
Quantum of Solace was crap.

Sure look at the previous ones..
GoldenEye was good.
Tomorrow Never Dies wasn't the best.
The World is Not Enough - better than the previous, but ... ehhh.
Die Another Day - same old crap.

Its just the same old crap. Can you really make really enjoyable movies when you've made 22 previous movies with the same formula? albeit, tweaked but still the same.

LighterGuy

pixelburp wrote: »

"Skyfall", hmmm. The name sounds like one of those Bond videogame adaptations they've been trying to make over the last few years. In fact I believe one of the last ones was called "Nightfire", ha.

2002 just called for you :pac:

humanji

ricero wrote: »

im not liking this. there bond films for a reason

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/bond-23-skyfall-expected-to-drop-action-scenes-in/250600

In fairness, Mendes did Road To Perdition, which had plenty of action and was Oscar worthy (did it win one? Can't remember). If you look at the differences between Casino Royal and Quantom Of Solace, CR had a great blend of action and drama. QoS was pretty much action sequences with a few bits of exposition to tie them together.

It seems to me that it's a good idea to try and avoid the over the top action scenes to get a great story going. I've a lot of faith in Mendes, so I'm sure he's not going to cock it up.

MrStuffins

humanji wrote: »

In fairness, Mendes did Road To Perdition, which had plenty of action and was Oscar worthy (did it win one? Can't remember).

6 noms and a win for Cinematography

foxyboxer

There was always a certain comfort of having a bond movie every 2 years come out in November. They may have been weak but it was still something to look forward too. Like LOTR at Christmas.

senordingdong

Hopefully it will be an improvement on QOS, but if the title is anything to go by than it might not be.

Mister Jingles

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/bond-23-announced-live-on-ipad-today-50005924/

Zardoz

That French Bond girl is some specimen,gorgeous.

JP Liz V1

Ola Rapace who is the husband of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo's Noomi Rapace) has been added to the cast

JP Liz V1

Ben Whishaw is Q :eek: (way too young imo) if rumours on web today are true

humanji

Yeah, I read that earlier. I wonder how he'll fit into it. As you say, he seems way too young, unless they're going for the "wonder kid" approach.

Kess73

Zardoz wrote: »

That French Bond girl is some specimen,gorgeous.

She is no Eva Green

JP Liz V1

http://www.digitalspy.ie/movies/news/a360062/skyfall-daniel-craig-slips-back-into-blue-trunks-for-james-bond-23.html

^ First set pics

senordingdong

Pics don't really reveal anything unfortunately.

OldeCinemaSoz

if it even touches on OHMSS...it could be the second best bond film ever...

senordingdong

Shouldn't be hard to top QOS, though Casino Royale is definitely a tough cookie to follow.

OldeCinemaSoz

everything went pear shaped after OHMSS...although DAF was a step in the right direction...

Mister Jingles

Casino Royal would have to of been the best Bond flick since GoldenEye.

I still wonder do all those people who threw a song and dance when it was revealed that Craig was to be the new bond still have that same view. ?

OldeCinemaSoz

it's a pity that john RIP barry won't be back to do the soundtrack although getting annie lennox to do the vocals might be nice...




it's not craig that's the problem imho it's the whole decline of the franchise...

basically the bond film needs reinvention. and how it could do that i've no idea...

Mister Jingles

OldeCinemaSoz wrote: »

it's a pity that john RIP barry won't be back to do the soundtrack although getting annie lennox to do the vocals might be nice...




it's not craig that's the problem imho it's the whole decline of the franchise...

basically the bond film needs reinvention. and how it could do that i've no idea...

To be fair though it did get that with Casio Royal. Darker, no gadget nonsense (Q), more violent and Craig making an effort especially with his fight scenes.

I used to love watching Bond films when I was younger (I'm still young btw :pac: ) and that would include Moore's ones as well however I reckon if was to go back today and look at them all again (moore ones) I would probably cringe especially with A View To A Kill. He was 58 making that I believe.

OldeCinemaSoz

well it seems the whole thing is going to be reinvented in Bognor Regis...?!?!?

"The previous 'Bond' instalment 'Quantum of Solace' was shot in six countries; Italy, Spain, Mexico, the UK, Panama and Chile...."

and we all know how a pile of cow dung THAT turned out to be! :rolleyes:

Liamario

I think most people can agree that Casino Royale was the reinvention they needed. Quantum of Solace unfortunately decided to go back to the series' roots; which was a big mistake.
If the can use Casino Royale as a starting point and continue to explore the darker side of Bond, they can rejuvenate the series

dr gonzo

I think the real problem with the Bond films (perfectly exemplified by QoS) is that the filmmakers are either afraid or forbidden to veer away from the original material. For example Quantum of Solace was serious bottom of the barrel stuff because the went digging through Flemings notes for anything that hadnt been made already.

Now the new film might be original, so apologies if im way off, but considering how much crap they stripped off for Casino Royal, Bond as a character is really all that remains and matters. After that they just need a good screenwriter to come up with an action story that involves various locations and a hot girl, et voila, a new bond story that doesnt rely on Flemings dregs.

senordingdong

dr gonzo wrote: »

I think the real problem with the Bond films a new bond story that doesnt rely on Flemings dregs.

Is that to say that all previous 22 Bond films were all based on some form of story that Flemming had written?

krudler

senordingdong wrote: »

Is that to say that all previous 22 Bond films were all based on some form of story that Flemming had written?

a lot of them, some were amalgamations of other stories afaik.

I didnt mind QOS so much, its not awful, just a bit flat, and its got a fantastic opening sequence.

senordingdong

krudler wrote: »

a lot of them, some were amalgamations of other stories afaik.

I didnt mind QOS so much, its not awful, just a bit flat, and its got a fantastic opening sequence.

The opening sequence was good but I felt it watered down the last scene of CR, which I thought was brilliant end to the film.

OldeCinemaSoz

What can beat a Bond saving a Countessa from impending suicide, kicking the living daylights out of two big henchmen and only being left with two of her shoes...?!?!

"This never happened to THE OTHER FELLA!!!"

:cool:

JP Liz V1

Sam Mendes first videoblog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRY55wrWSwM

foxyboxer

I believe the Bourne films were the catalyst for instigating a Bond 're-invention'.

The well received 'reality' based action scenes in those films simply rendered the outdated Bond movies redundant.

Casino Royale was a success because of it's literate screenplay, Bourne-esque action sequences and Craig's acclaimed performance (after some harsh criticism of his initial casting). It was hailed as a worthy departure from the Bond formula. However, QOS did not enjoy that 'element of surprise' to which Casino Royale benefited. It was simply a muddled mess of a movie.

Perhaps the Bond producers didn't want to change in the first place but were compelled to do so and felt quite happy to continue on with the bienniel offering of the established formula with the 'cartoon' spy character with his gadgets, blatant product placement and cheesy double entendre's

For realistic spy movies we can include Tinker, Tailor as the standard bearer.
Now we'll have to wait and see what Skyfall will bring.

Bond is such a fantastic character but given his iconic status, there has never been much 'experimentation' if you will. Casino Royale seemed so fresh because it explored the characters origins. QOS was so dull because the character was established and was simply a bulked up, unsmiling, taciturn man on a mission. The movie could have benefited from a little experimentation. For example, have we ever seen Bond have an internal monologue? It could have been an excellent detective story of how Bond, seeking revenge and validation for Vesper's death, longed to uncover the outfit behind her killing. The internal monologues could have been describing the conflict between his hurt feelings say and the need to maintain the composed and cold exterior.

But in QOS we simply see the cold exterior and it doesn't work.
Let's hope they play around with the character more and is not simply a well dressed bouncer again.