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Doom is the best FPS ever
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Hmm, I wonder if love of Doom books is because there is lots of opportunities to colour in the letters, draw in the book margins and write the names of heavy metal bands on the cover.
In no way could Doom be considered an interactive narrative, that's abload of arse, if you think that crap gods help you because your judgement is seriously flawed.
In the words of Inigo Montoya
"I don't think the word means what you think it means "
Perhaps we'll club together and get you a dictionary....
Maybe some taste while we're down at the shops!
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Hmm, I wonder if love of Doom books is because there is lots of opportunities to colour in the letters, draw in the book margins and write the names of heavy metal bands on the cover.
In no way could Doom be considered an interactive narrative, that's abload of arse, if you think that crap gods help you because your judgement is seriously flawed.
In the words of Inigo Montoya
"I don't think the word means what you think it means "
Perhaps we'll club together and get you a dictionary....
Maybe some taste while we're down at the shops!
Do you think a series of books with opportunities to colour in the letters, draw in the book margins and write the names of heavy metal bands on the cover would have words like hyper realists and deconstructionists printed in its pages.:rolleyes:
I interacted with the narrative, I partook in its construction, ergo the game had an interactive narrative.
As for Inigo Whoever that's just a hipster quote.0 -
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Quoting lines from The Princess Bride is probably the least Hipster thing someone could do.
However, discussing how you 'interacted with the narrative' and 'partook in its construction' while using terms such as 'hyper realists' and 'deconstructionists'...in relation to something like Doom..well..go and look in a mirror. If you see something like this looking back at you, you should be worried -
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Quoting lines from The Princess Bride is probably the least Hipster thing someone could do.
However, discussing how you 'interacted with the narrative' and 'partook in its construction' while using terms such as 'hyper realists' and 'deconstructionists'...in relation to something like Doom..well..go and look in a mirror. If you see something like this looking back at you, you should be worried -
Oh it was from Princess Bride, that's a classic film, in that case I retract my hipster slur. I thought it was Don Quixote.
In relation to hyper ****e and deconstructionist whatever, I was just pointing out that its a serious read. And yeah I describing fact about creating the Doom narrative.
Doom was game during a time when men were men. Can't a man express his love for a game without being hassled by the "you must qualify this with an in your opinion" pc brigade?0 -
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Games evolve, gameplay evolves, and it gets better, deeper.
Now that is not to say there isn't something to cherish in the achievements of older titles, there are stone cold classics out there and that's why we are all here, in these forums.
I think sometimes simple can be better. Look at Robotron. Doom 1 and 2 for me are the robotron of FPS games. Simplistic but utterly chaotic and just so well polished that it stands the test of time and is as deep or deeper than any new games in terms of gameplay despite the simplicity.
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Simple but well polished....
I have a body part like that
And re: Robotron, one of favourites, along with Tempest.
I'd rather play Robotron than SmashTV but I'd rather play Tempest 3000 than Tempest.
I think the simplicity of the graphics of Doom has prevented it from aging prematurely, although some of the map designs are up there with Pacmans maze, so well do we all know them.
And Doom doesn't have an interactive storyline!
You walk through it, the story is just about there, and overlay on top of the game to try to make sense of the shootey goodness contained within!
The game isn't "emergent" it is as linear and proscripted as they come.
Sure, you can choose which weapon to shoot the horrors of hell with but at no time do you evolve much past the circle strafe.
Save "emergent" for Deus Ex or it's ilk, please.
Or look it up...
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Simple but well polished....
I have a body part like that
And re: Robotron, one of favourites, along with Tempest.
I'd rather play Robotron than SmashTV but I'd rather play Tempest 3000 than Tempest.
I think the simplicity of the graphics of Doom has prevented it from aging prematurely, although some of the map designs are up there with Pacmans maze, so well do we all know them.
And Doom doesn't have an interactive storyline!
You walk through it, the story is just about there, and overlay on top of the game to try to make sense of the shootey goodness contained within!
The game isn't "emergent" it is as linear and proscripted as they come.
Sure, you can choose which weapon to shoot the horrors of hell with but at no time do you evolve much past the circle strafe.
Save "emergent" for Deus Ex or it's ilk, please.
Or look it up...
Classic film, they don't make 'em like they used to. The story of the game is emergent in the player's mind due to a lack of story as an unintended result. That is essentially an emergent phehonomenon. FYI there was comic book embedded in Quake which featured Doom Guy? In the 90s everything was better, including what passed for extended cutscenes.
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TheChief36 wrote: »A game is better if you have a reason to shoot the thing you're shooting. That's what a plot is for. That's the difference between shooting targets in point blank and avenging a friend in Metal Gear Solid.
If MGS4 didn't have a story it would have been a far better game.
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nyarlothothep wrote: »In the 90s everything was better
Hmm, maybe you have a point...
Oh, wait now, on second thoughts...
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I'll have no one slag off Kriss Kross. I still wear no pants as a mark of respect.
Just tidied that up for ya
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Hmm, maybe you have a point...
Oh, wait now, on second thoughts...
Absolutely, Hanson are a great band, that song mmbop is pure pop genius.
A video like this would never be greenlit in todays hyper ironic knowing cynical times
In the 90s people knew how to have fun, they wore colourful clothes and partied, now everyone just stands around trying to be cool, not admitting that they enjoy films like Your Highness, mixing up the narrative darkness of a film with quality (Batman I'm looking in your direction) saying things like Doom was a good game but modern games are more complex and better, that they aren't as cheesy because they have sensitive troubled anti war type protagonists. You see now we have crap music like Franz Ferdinand and The Strokes, but back in the 90s we actually had good music which was inspired by the 60/70s. The 00s/10s have been inspired by the 80s which were in turn derivative of the 50s, arch conservative decades, hipsters are modern beatniks. We need to bring the 90s and games like Doom back.0 -
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nyarlothothep wrote: »In the 90s people knew how to have fun, they wore colourful clothes and partied, now everyone just stands around trying to be cool, not admitting that they enjoy films like Your Highness, mixing up the narrative darkness of a film with quality (Batman I'm looking in your direction) saying things like Doom was a good game but modern games are more complex and better, that they aren't as cheesy because they have sensitive troubled anti war type protagonists. You see now we have crap music like Franz Ferdinand and The Strokes, but back in the 90s we actually had good music which was inspired by the 60/70s. The 00s/10s have been inspired by the 80s which were in turn derivative of the 50s, arch conservative decades, hipsters are modern beatniks. We need to bring the 90s and games like Doom back.
Emm, anyone got one of those EPIC FAIL meme things handy.
We could sure use one right now!
You logic, ironically, contains no logic, might want to watch that one.
The idea of one decade being greater than the previous is entirely down to when you hit puberty.
So if it was the 90's then the awakening to all things sexual meant that everything else suddenly came in technicolor.
The idea that 90's music is/was inspired by the 60's or 70's is bull.
So is the notion that the 00's were somehow held in awe the 80's.
It's complete nonsense and just proves that anyone can type anything mix a personally held view with objective fact.
Every decade has it's fluff, it's throwaway media that sometimes becomes classic by virtue of it being a perfect little aural or visual "diorama" of a time, a place.
Every decade has it's serious art that seeks to do the same thing.
Every decade has tons of muck that has to be trawled through to get to the best examples of the above two genres.
For every Little Richard, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Talking Heads, REM, B-52's or The Strokes you have manifold guys and gals who charted with number ones but were judged to be flash in the pan muck by history.
That's the way it is.
They partied in pretty much every decade since records began as well.
Although, to be fair, in the middle ages there was mainly variations on brown to be worn.....
But we partied in the 80's, I know, I was there, we wore clothes and colourful ones at that.
I have friends who, upon inquiry, assure me they partied in the 70's, again clothed and in colours but with a peculiar emphasis on paisley, go figure.
Older colleagues maintain they partied hard in the 60's, at times without any clothes at all, but the piles in the corner of the room was typically colourful once again.
The 50's I'm not so sure of, Ballrooms of Romance not being your typical party hardy kinda gig, but I reckon teens would have found a way regardless.
As for movies, are you really the only person who finds Nolans Batman movies to be lacking in some fashion?
Dude, you need to get out more, put down Doom for a while, think of the children!
And as for fashion,
At least it'll make you easy to spot....
You'll be the one children point and laugh at.... 0 -
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Emm, anyone got one of those EPIC FAIL meme things handy.
We could sure use one right now!
You logic, ironically, contains no logic, might want to watch that one.
The idea of one decade being greater than the previous is entirely down to when you hit puberty.
So if it was the 90's then the awakening to all things sexual meant that everything else suddenly came in technicolor.
The idea that 90's music is/was inspired by the 60's or 70's is bull.
So is the notion that the 00's were somehow held in awe the 80's.
It's complete nonsense and just proves that anyone can type anything mix a personally held view with objective fact.
Every decade has it's fluff, it's throwaway media that sometimes becomes classic by virtue of it being a perfect little aural or visual "diorama" of a time, a place.
Every decade has it's serious art that seeks to do the same thing.
Every decade has tons of muck that has to be trawled through to get to the best examples of the above two genres.
For every Little Richard, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Talking Heads, REM, B-52's or The Strokes you have manifold guys and gals who charted with number ones but were judged to be flash in the pan muck by history.
That's the way it is.
They partied in pretty much every decade since records began as well.
Although, to be fair, in the middle ages there was mainly variations on brown to be worn.....
But we partied in the 80's, I know, I was there, we wore clothes and colourful ones at that.
I have friends who, upon inquiry, assure me they partied in the 70's, again clothed and in colours but with a peculiar emphasis on paisley, go figure.
Older colleagues maintain they partied hard in the 60's, at times without any clothes at all, but the piles in the corner of the room was typically colourful once again.
The 50's I'm not so sure of, Ballrooms of Romance not being your typical party hardy kinda gig, but I reckon teens would have found a way regardless.
As for movies, are you really the only person who finds Nolans Batman movies to be lacking in some fashion?
Dude, you need to get out more, put down Doom for a while, think of the children!
And as for fashion,
At least it'll make you easy to spot....
You'll be the one children point and laugh at....
Actually technically I should a 00s person as thats roughly when I hit puberty and I hate the 00s. The Strokes fcking suck and so do Talking Heads, I actually listened to a lot of Talking Heads in 2003 trying to like them because they were meant to be good, and yeah for about 1 minute that song, And the Days go By its not bad, but it runs out of steam after that first minute, the lyrics essentially get uninspired after that about water. When the Strokes first album came out everyone said ,ohh The Strokes they're so amazing, all I heard was derivative late 70s punk inspired garbage. The Strokes have to be one of the most annoying bands in the universe, not even the Artic Monkeys are as bad. And so what if I'm the only one who dislikes Nolan's Batman, I don't base the strength of my opinion with how closely it matches the consensus on things. The 90s were totally like the late 60s/70s reinvented. The second summer of love in 1990, Oasis were heavily indebted to the Beatles, actually rocking out with your guitar was back in fashion, unlike the 00s where it was all angular riffs and arch winking nods with tight jeans. Baggy jeans (flares), psychedelia, the whole new caring 90s (hippy ideals making a comback after the Gordon Gecko unempathetic excesses of the 80s), Ok Computer (Dark Side of the Moon), Grunge (which sounded a lot like 70s rock at times), the 90s kicked ass. In the 80s it was all about bringing rockabilly back, it was hip to be square like in the 50s, Queen released Crazy Little Thing which was basically an Elvis song, Shakey Stevens, Little Shop of Horrors, the 50s loomed large over the mostly crap decade that was the 80s. By the same token the 00s in emulating the 80s became the NEW new 50s. And it sucked. Particularly because a lot of the music was aping punk, which to be quite honest does nothing for me, especially British Punk, American Punk like Black Flag has some attitude to it. Siouxsie and the Banshees for example are rubbish but they had one really good song in 1992 for Burton's superior Batman Returns, it was the 90s effect, it made everything good. And yeah 90s fashion was cool, Fresh Prince of Bel Air style, bright greens, cap back to front, MC Hammer Balloon pants, much better than this skinny jeans and glasses without lens look which is meant to be cool, but isnt!
And back on topic, at least with Doom I can put on some 90s music, drink a beer and play a real game!0 -
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