Bus Eireann routes 109/109A Changes

munchkin_utd

CVH24 wrote: »

Does any one remember the timetable befor this current one? Any thoughts

The 109 Cavan used to go Port Tunnel, Airport, Blanchardstown and then usually express to kells, this fell due to people wanting it to serve the mater point and st. peters church.

Would it have been economic to undertake the route your bus did, in other words did pick up many between Busaras and Blanch?

from memory of comments here, there was very few picked up at the airport and busses lost plenty of time spinning around the place (possibly also through T2 building works) which in combination by the (non fare paying, non working, non commuting, non tax paying*) vulnerable needing services every 15minutes passing the matter hospital - everything was sent back by the Cabra road.

*- because pensioners are more important than working people when it comes to public transport in Ireland aparantly.

CVH24

Well I can understand where you are coming from but can people think of ways to try to keep all sides happy?

horseburger

CVH24 wrote: »

Well I can understand where you are coming from but can people think of ways to try to keep all sides happy?

Between May 2011 until October 2011, certain services on the 109 timetable from Navan stopped at the airport before going to the city centre.

It was not satisfactory for people from Navan going to Dublin City Centre because at certain times during the day the bus would be delayed very considerably after it left the airport going to the city centre, often along the quays heading down from between the Point Theatre heading towards Customs House Quay.

From 23rd October 2011, Bus Éireann improved both the 109 and 109A timetables as a result of feedback from customers.

http://www.buseireann.ie/news.php?id=1012&month=Oct

"Following customer feedback, Bus Éireann will introduce a number of improvements on its Route 109 Cavan-Dublin service, Route 109A DCU-Navan service, Route 187 Kells-Oldcastle service, Route 107 Dublin-Kingscourt service and its Route 108 Dublin-Bailieboro service on and from Sunday 23rd of October".

"Customers are advised that on route 109 Cavan-Dublin services to/from Cavan will no longer operate via Dublin Airport and the Port Tunnel. These services will now operate via the Navan Road and the Mater Hospital.
All weekday services to/from Cavan will now operate via Navan and then operate via the M3 Motorway to Dublin. This excludes the 6am and 7am ex Cavan and the 4.30pm and 5.30pm ex Dublin, which will not serve Navan offering customers quicker journey times."

"There will be a bus every 30 minutes from Dunshaughlin to Dublin during off peak times. Some off peak services to and from Navan will now operate via Johnstown Road and the Kentstown Road."

"Customers from Cavan and Virginia wishing to travel direct to Dublin Airport should take the Route 30 service or interchange with other Bus Éireann network services such as the Route 109A at Kells."

"On the route 109A service, customers should be aware that the route has been extended to Kells offering customers a wider network of services and providing a direct service to Dublin Airport and Dublin City University. Service frequency will remain the same."

"The number of services between Oldcastle and Kells on route 187 will be doubled with some changes in service times."

"Services will no longer operate direct to Dublin on route 107. The route 107 will now terminate at Navan. Customers travelling to Dublin will now have to change to the 109 service at Navan."

"The number of services between Kingscourt and Navan will be doubled offering customers more availability with a greater choice of services.
The number of services between Bailieboro and Kells on the route 108 service will remain the same, but there will be some changes in scheduled times."

“Bus Éireann is always looking at ways to improve our services and meet customer needs. Following local consultation and a review we decided to implement these changes on the M3 Corridor Routes. This will allow customers to enjoy the comfort and convenience of travelling by high-quality coaches without the worries and hassle of car parking, toll charges and fuel costs,” said Joe Kenny, Regional Manager East Bus Éireann.
All of these timetable changes are in response to local customer requests.
These changes have been sanctioned by the National Transport Authority (NTA)."

Customers on routes where alterations come into effect from Sunday the 23rd of October 2011 will be informed of the change to their service. Monday, 10th October, 2011,"

You will notice that I have highlighted the section of the document that states that Bus Éireann want people from Virginia and Cavan to use the number 30 bus to the airport.

By your logic, - of not being too concerned about inconveniencing a whole other section of bus users who are not going to Donegal or Ballyshannon - if they get a return ticket on the 30 bus from Virginia or Cavan to the airport, that on the way home they should be satisfied with taking the 109A to Kells instead, on the way home from the airport, in cases where there are more passengers for Donegal waiting at the airport for the next 30 bus to Donegal.

AlekSmart

munchkin_utd wrote: »

from memory of comments here, there was very few picked up at the airport and buses lost plenty of time spinning around the place (possibly also through T2 building works) which in combination by the (non fare paying, non working, non commuting, non tax paying*) vulnerable needing services every 15minutes passing the Mater hospital - everything was sent back by the Cabra road.

*- because pensioners are more important than working people when it comes to public transport in Ireland aparantly.

DO bear in mind,munchkin,that persons of Pensionable Age make up less than 50% of the c.748,000 Free Travel Scheme members.

The 109 issue continues to be Irish Public Transport policy in microcosm...."Never quite sure what it's role is"

CVH24

In the past Horseburger, you seemed to think I want to inconvenience people I do not, I want people to have alternative, choice and above all the freedom to move to where they need to when they need to.

109A to kells and onward 109 is far from satisfactory in it current form, in fact it could be slower than the next 30 to virginia. If there was joined up thinking of allowing a connection from 109A to a reliable 109 it would offer the alternative for people to Virginia and cavan, not the first choice during period of unexpected peak loading. It would also be joined up so people from like Ashbourne can connect with buses to Cavan in kells.

Also then virginia and cavan passengers can at peak periods only offered an alternative to go via kells on 109A, with a proper bus shelter and a minimal wait, this way no passengers have to wait, two hours. some passengers would be asked to delay by 20-30 minutes in the warmth of a bus instead of at a cold airport bus stop.

horseburger

CVH24 wrote: »

In the past Horseburger, you seemed to think I want to inconvenience people I do not, I want people to have alternative, choice and above all the freedom to move to where they need to when they need to.

But you still wouldn't mind, if, in order to get home from Bus Aras, if Cavan and Virginia passengers had to pay a higher fare on the 30 bus which would pretty much equal the price of the fares from Bus Aras to Donegal, on the same bus, even though Cavan is halfway along the route.

It would seem that you don't consider forcing people to pay extra for a ticket from Bus Aras to Virginia and Cavan on the 30 bus - in order to make them use the 109 - as being an inconvenience.

CVH24

Horse Burger are we talking at 1530 or midnight?

But where i moved to was build a viable alternative and then give people choice in which they use. But they may pay for that choice. Its the model almost all ticketing schemes are based, you use price to to reduce demand, usually during peak times, its using a carrot not a stick.

But generally speaking midnight is not a problem, during the peak daytime is different, but if BE do not load 30 with virginia and cavan, then at present they on have the really slow 109 which is a poor alternative, if it was a stronger product then we would have a better system for all.

We are not taking about just cavan and virginia, the 109 poorly serves nearly all its towns due to being slow and with poor timekeeping due to route.

When 109 went to the airport and then Blanchardstown can anyone guess the time given to do that stretch?

Commuter109

CVH24 wrote: »

Horse Burger are we talking at 1530 or midnight?


We are not taking about just cavan and virginia, the 109 poorly serves nearly all its towns due to being slow and with poor timekeeping due to route.

Was refused entry to the 6.30 express yesterday at 6.24, as it was full. This is starting to happen all too frequently again on the express services. You have 40 people queing for the express service, with 7 or 8 in the queue for the slow coach at the same time. But obviously the penny isnt dropping with BE. Even one extra express in the peak time mornings and evenings slots would be a huge help

CVH24

Commuter109 wrote: »

Was refused entry to the 6.30 express yesterday at 6.24, as it was full. This is starting to happen all too frequently again on the express services. You have 40 people queing for the express service, with 7 or 8 in the queue for the slow coach at the same time. But obviously the penny isnt dropping with BE. Even one extra express in the peak time mornings and evenings slots would be a huge help

what size bus was on the 1830 express? Double decker would help say instead of 1845 slow bus, it could be okay for smaller bus.

Vic_08

Commuter109 wrote: »

Was refused entry to the 6.30 express yesterday at 6.24, as it was full. This is starting to happen all too frequently again on the express services. You have 40 people queing for the express service, with 7 or 8 in the queue for the slow coach at the same time. But obviously the penny isnt dropping with BE. Even one extra express in the peak time mornings and evenings slots would be a huge help

I am not sure who you think the penny is supposed to drop with. Like I have said here before the frontline staff, drivers and inspectors, are well aware of the situation it but are powerless to do anything. There is little to no structured internal feedback to those who are in a position to change services and with the NTA now calling the shots there is an extra layer of useless pen-pushers who have no clue how the services actually operate.

I have watched as one of the regular 109 drivers cornered the manager in Broadstone who draws up the timetables telling him to take the route out of the shopping centre and Clonee as well as run more peak services away from the Cabra/Navan road traffic jam. They have zero respect for drivers and ignore our opinions on such matters as they think they know better.

The truth is that lobbying management for service improvements is not high on the priority for driver grades, there are so many other issues needing sorting from jobs being lost over route tendering to safety issues that have been ongoing for years. More clued-in staff are aware that the company providing a better service to customers is central to the long term viability of it but there are only so many things you can smash your head against a brick wall about at the same time and immediate concerns such as having a job in 6 months or safety issues will always get priority.

My point is that moaning to drivers or inspectors in Busaras or on here is not going to do anything about the situation because the Bus Eireann senior managers and NTA apparatchiks in their nice offices do not have a clue and they aren't going to do anything on the advice of drivers, in fact I'd wager they are all congratulating themselves because numbers are up this year with more college students commuting.

The only way to get any change is to force it. Sstick the oar in with BE and NTA officials and make some waves. Get your TDs on to them. Get a journalist to do a story (put upon celtic tiger commuter in negative equity being forced to spend 3 hours a day commuting while motorway and port tunnel are being ignored, etc) Print out complaint letters and distribute them to other commuters to sign and forward so they are not getting one or two complaints but dozens.

Ultimately you are the majority, daily commuters paying high fares to commute from Navan, Dunshaughlin and Kells to the City Centre make up the vast majority of passengers and revenue payers on the 109 but it is up to you to make people take notice. The FT brigade that you are subsidising with your fares did when the Cavans were diverted away from the Mater.

CVH24

Well said Vic_08!!!!

Commuter109

http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2014/11/20/4033915-cllr-criticises-bus-ireann-over-route-changes/

tara83

Only positive in that article is the possible review for march 2015.

CVH24

Must agree a review is good news as long as its listens to majority, those wanting express services but a way could and should be found to serve Dunboyne, it used to be served but not by every bus just occasional morning and evening, I remember the 1000 to Kells did serve it.

Not sure about the Hospital, as to what the access is like for a bus!

Places need to be served but not by every bus, its just crazy!!

tom23

Commuter109 wrote: »

http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2014/11/20/4033915-cllr-criticises-bus-ireann-over-route-changes/

Jesus wept (and do did most of the hard pressed commuters, well this one did) lets reroute all of the 109 into hospital just in case aunt Mary might need to go there. Sure while we are at lets stop at the McDonald's drive thru, clearly another subject matter (apart from water) that fine Gael know very little about. Sure it only takes 90 minutes sure what's another 5/10 amongst friends?

AlekSmart

CVH24 wrote: »

Must agree a review is good news as long as its listens to majority, those wanting express services but a way could and should be found to serve Dunboyne, it used to be served but not by every bus just occasional morning and evening, I remember the 1000 to Kells did serve it.

Not sure about the Hospital, as to what the access is like for a bus!

Places need to be served but not by every bus, its just crazy!!

I'd be inclined to lure Bus Eireann and Bus Atha Cliath management into a room and lock the door behind them until they came up with a plan which saw Bus Atha Cliath take over Dunboyne,Dunshaughlin,Clonee responsibilities and Bus Eireann get back to what it should be doing,operating an efficient Inter-Urban commuter coach service.

That damn Port Tunnel may as well never have been dug,such is the enthusiasm with which it is ignored by the company.

The abiding position within some sectors of the two CIE companies,is Fear of Change,with a solid preference for keeping things as they always were.....In this strange netherworld,the M3 does not exist,along with the Port Tunnel and various other modern day elements between Dublin & Cavan !!

CVH24

The major problem with the route, and i think it must be the worst route into and out of the city with lost of pinch points and lack of bus priority!!

tara83

CVH24 wrote: »

The major problem with the route, and i think it must be the worst route into and out of the city with lost of pinch points and lack of bus priority!!

It doesn't help which is way the route needs to be re-examined and stop making it worst with the most convoluted route ever.

CVH24

tara83 wrote: »

It doesn't help which is way the route needs to be re-examined and stop making it worst with the most convoluted route ever.

Well where i was coming from is the point that it follows the cabra road and out by the halfway house, after that i guess it is not too bad and should be free following, so if it needs to continue to follow the route full of pinch points then the only other feasible route is out the port tunnel with express services, say 50-50.

While the route is long its the traffic that causes the long delays, so a reroute is the only logical step to avoid the pinch points and see an improvement in timekeeping..

gazzer

Does anybody know if the 109A that leaves Kells for the Airport waits for the 109 from Cavan to arrive so that passengers going to the airport can get on that bus?

The reason I ask is that from looking at the timetable for the 109A the planners of the timetable seem to think that it only takes 45 minutes for the 109 to get from Cavan to Kells. That has never happened in any of the bus trips I have taken on the 109. It is at least a 55 minute journey.

I have to be at the airport for 3.15 on Monday afternoon. Had hoped to get the 30 from Cavan to Dublin Airport but chances are that will be full up and we will be asked to get the 109. However if I get the 1pm 109 that wont get me to Kells till about 2. That will mean that the 1.50 109 will have already left and so I will have to either

Stay on the 109 and get into O'Connell Street for between 3.10 and 3.30 and then get a taxi to the airport or

Wait for the 109a at 2.50 and get to the airport for 4.30.

Anybody get this combination of buses and could tell me what the best approach would be?

Thanks

CVH24

gazzer wrote: »

Does anybody know if the 109A that leaves Kells for the Airport waits for the 109 from Cavan to arrive so that passengers going to the airport can get on that bus?

The reason I ask is that from looking at the timetable for the 109A the planners of the timetable seem to think that it only takes 45 minutes for the 109 to get from Cavan to Kells. That has never happened in any of the bus trips I have taken on the 109. It is at least a 55 minute journey.

I have to be at the airport for 3.15 on Monday afternoon. Had hoped to get the 30 from Cavan to Dublin Airport but chances are that will be full up and we will be asked to get the 109. However if I get the 1pm 109 that wont get me to Kells till about 2. That will mean that the 1.50 109 will have already left and so I will have to either

Stay on the 109 and get into O'Connell Street for between 3.10 and 3.30 and then get a taxi to the airport or

Wait for the 109a at 2.50 and get to the airport for 4.30.

Anybody get this combination of buses and could tell me what the best approach would be?

Thanks

From traveling on the 30, airport passengers are priority from Cavan, no other bus directly serves it, so If I were you I would go for the 30. If the the bus is is full push the inspector in Cavan to make alternative arrangements, as not only you but virginia passengers have to go to the airport too, you guys can not be left.

At a worst case scenario they have in the past had to arrange for the 109 and 109A to connect, Ie contact the driver of 109A to wait. This is still far from ideal. We are also away from peak periods so i would guess you are okay. There are always a few getting of in Cavan too.
I have seen rarely passengers for Dublin city asked to transfer to 109 to allow for the airport passengers.

I think you will be fine!

But I would agree the timetable on 109 is a work of fiction. I was going through the attic a few months ago and found an old timetable from 1994 (route 30 was then route 94) and actually allowed 1 hour 40 from Dublin to cavan.
Dublin 0900
Navan 0947
Kells 1002
virginia1013
Cavan 1040

All these towns have become so much busier than then, but buses used to be just as late. I guess timetabling has not moved on much.

horseburger

gazzer wrote: »

Does anybody know if the 109A that leaves Kells for the Airport waits for the 109 from Cavan to arrive so that passengers going to the airport can get on that bus?

The reason I ask is that from looking at the timetable for the 109A the planners of the timetable seem to think that it only takes 45 minutes for the 109 to get from Cavan to Kells. That has never happened in any of the bus trips I have taken on the 109. It is at least a 55 minute journey.

I have to be at the airport for 3.15 on Monday afternoon. Had hoped to get the 30 from Cavan to Dublin Airport but chances are that will be full up and we will be asked to get the 109. However if I get the 1pm 109 that wont get me to Kells till about 2. That will mean that the 1.50 109 will have already left and so I will have to either

Stay on the 109 and get into O'Connell Street for between 3.10 and 3.30 and then get a taxi to the airport or

Wait for the 109a at 2.50 and get to the airport for 4.30.

Anybody get this combination of buses and could tell me what the best approach would be?

Thanks

I don't think that they wait, unfortunately.

Whenever I have taken the 109A's from Navan they arrived around five past the hour for their departure there at 10 past the hour.

I have taken the 109A from Navan at 7.10am, 3.10pm and 6.10pm and they each arrived shortly before 10 past the hour at around 5 past, so they must have left Kells at exactly 10 to the hour.

All the 109A's leave Kells at 10 to the hour, so I guess considering the ones I got arrived in Navan before 10 past the hour, that they haven't waited for the 109 from Cavan to arrive in Kells.

The buses I got arrived at the airport around 15-20 minutes past the next hour. For example the 3.10pm 109A from Navan got to the airport around 4.20pm.

I guess they don't wait in Kells because they risk getting delayed getting into the airport.

The buses that leave Kells at 10 to the hour are due to pick up at the airport at 20 past the next hour, and then at DCU, 10 minutes later, on their return journey back to Kells.

I think, during the day, the 109A's can get delayed coming from Dublin Airport back on the way to Ashbourne.

I find that the 109's that come from Cavan can take 10 minutes more than scheduled to get to Kells and Navan, I guess due to traffic. They are due in Navan at five past the hour but can often arrive in Navan at 10-15 minutes past the hour. An example of this is that the 5pm 109 from Cavan that is due in Navan at 6.05pm. It often arrives in Navan at the Market Square around 6.10pm, around the same time as the 190 bus for Drogheda and Laytown arrives at the Market Square. This 190 bus is scheduled to arrive in Navan at 6.10pm.

I find that 109's that start Kells at 15 minutes past the hour are more able to keep to the timetable. They are usually in Navan shortly before 35 past the hour, and they are scheduled to leave Navan at 35 past the hour.

haro124

gazzer wrote: »

Does anybody know if the 109A that leaves Kells for the Airport waits for the 109 from Cavan to arrive so that passengers going to the airport can get on that bus?

The reason I ask is that from looking at the timetable for the 109A the planners of the timetable seem to think that it only takes 45 minutes for the 109 to get from Cavan to Kells. That has never happened in any of the bus trips I have taken on the 109. It is at least a 55 minute journey.

I have to be at the airport for 3.15 on Monday afternoon. Had hoped to get the 30 from Cavan to Dublin Airport but chances are that will be full up and we will be asked to get the 109. However if I get the 1pm 109 that wont get me to Kells till about 2. That will mean that the 1.50 109 will have already left and so I will have to either

Stay on the 109 and get into O'Connell Street for between 3.10 and 3.30 and then get a taxi to the airport or

Wait for the 109a at 2.50 and get to the airport for 4.30.

Anybody get this combination of buses and could tell me what the best approach would be?

Thanks

When I was commuting a few months ago the Airport Bus would usually be gone before the quarter to bus arrived

horseburger

Bus Éireann has included on its site the details of the additional night rider 109N, 101N and 126N services at Christmas.

http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1637&month=Nov

"Nightrider Services from Dublin

Bus Éireann will operate extra Nightrider late night services from Dublin to Balbriggan, Drogheda, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Navan, Naas, Newbridge, Sallins and Clane over the Christmas period.

The extra late night services will operate on Thursdays 11, 18 and Sundays 14, 21 and 28 December.

These extra services will complement our scheduled Nightrider services which operate on Friday and Saturday nights.

Tuesday, 25th November, 2014."

Commuter109

Oh the irony , on the day fares increase , the 630 express can't even make it out of the yard . An all too frequent experience with the sh@t private buses BE insist on using for some of their busiest services and most loyal customers .

Same level of BE service as usual , no explanation , no apology .

0n 645 slow coach which has picked up the sum total of zero people going out the slow route .

Furp

Commuter109 wrote: »

Oh the irony , on the day fares increase , the 630 express can't even make it out of the yard . An all too frequent experience with the sh@t private buses BE insist on using for some of their busiest services and most loyal customers .

Same level of BE service as usual , no explanation , no apology .

0n 645 slow coach which has picked up the sum total of zero people going out the slow route .

It was a joke, one of the few days I made it to the 6.30 and they don't even replace it just put us on the slower bus.

Commuter109

Got there at 6.26 today to be told 6.30 express was a small bus which had just departed. Several others in the same boat . Not having a good week !! Lol

Commuter109

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/bus-drivers-could-face-fines-for-being-rude-653342.html

Very interesting!

Not the last service of the day, but the 5.30 was full and gone again yesterday at 5.26. It's not all bad, but statistically I have taken/ tried to take 3 buses this week, and there was a problem with all 3 in some shape or from

malene

any word when they will drop the Blanch S.C stop both ways and just pick up on the slip roads, to avoid the heavy shopping traffic?

malene

horseburger wrote: »

Bus Éireann has included on its site the details of the additional night rider 109N, 101N and 126N services at Christmas.

http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1637&month=Nov

"Nightrider Services from Dublin

Bus Éireann will operate extra Nightrider late night services from Dublin to Balbriggan, Drogheda, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Navan, Naas, Newbridge, Sallins and Clane over the Christmas period.

The extra late night services will operate on Thursdays 11, 18 and Sundays 14, 21 and 28 December.

These extra services will complement our scheduled Nightrider services which operate on Friday and Saturday nights.

Tuesday, 25th November, 2014."

they need to update the 109N page because not everyone will see it here on the boards.

http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1293185310-109N.pdf

Fiskar

How come the annual bus ticket is not valid on the late night bus but the rail pass is valid on the late trains being put on for Christmas ?

LXFlyer

malene wrote: »

any word when they will drop the Blanch S.C stop both ways and just pick up on the slip roads, to avoid the heavy shopping traffic?

malene wrote: »

they need to update the 109N page because not everyone will see it here on the boards.

http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1293185310-109N.pdf

Both of these are in the timetable news page on the Bus Eireann website.

http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1649&month=Dec

Please be advised that from Monday, 8 December 2014 to Sunday, 4 January 2015 inclusive, services on Bus Éireann Route 109, Dublin – Dunshaughlin – Navan – Kells – Virginia – Cavan and Route 105, Ratoath – Dublin will not serve the stops within Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.

http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1637&month=Nov

Bus Éireann will operate extra Nightrider late night services from Dublin to Balbriggan, Drogheda, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Navan, Naas, Newbridge, Sallins and Clane over the Christmas period.

As it's only a temporary change, I wouldn't see the main timetable page being changed. The news item is linked to on the homepage.

horseburger

Fiskar wrote: »

How come the annual bus ticket is not valid on the late night bus but the rail pass is valid on the late trains being put on for Christmas ?

I don't know, but it was always a separate fare for the nightrider services.

Ever since it started in November 2003, they never accepted the weekly or day return tickets bought for the daily 109 service.

I guess the cost of running it may be one reason?

It is the same bus - and as far as I know it is the same driver - that leaves Dublin at 12.30am and 3.30am and it does a return service from Navan, also covering Dunshaughlin and Ratoath, back to Dublin at 1.45am and 4.45am.

Furp

If you have an annual tax saver ticket, this is valid on the night rider service.

http://m.buseireann.ie/index.php?id=239#li_239

Commuter109

lxflyer wrote: »

Both of these are in the timetable news page on the Bus Eireann website.

http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1649&month=Dec



http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1637&month=Nov



As it's only a temporary change, I wouldn't see the main timetable page being changed. The news item is linked to on the homepage.

Just as well it's avoiding the shopping centre, the 5.45 took 1 hour 45 to get to Navan yesterday evening

gazzer

8.30am bus from Busarus took 2hours 40 minutes to get to Cavan this morning. Its rediculous.

horseburger

gazzer wrote: »

8.30am bus from Busarus took 2hours 40 minutes to get to Cavan this morning. Its rediculous.

hi Gazzer

just wondering, did the 109 - 109A connection in Kells for the airport work out for you the other week?

I'm just curious, as I'm not sure the 109 from Cavan would have reached Kells by the time the 109A leaves from Kells at 10 to the hour.

CVH24

gazzer wrote: »

8.30am bus from Busarus took 2hours 40 minutes to get to Cavan this morning. Its rediculous.

can i ask where were the delays? Just a guess but were they out of Dublin or anything specif happen, I guess all towns are a bit busier coming up to xmas. It would have been if you also visited the centre. It is crazy lenght of time really.

tom23

Hi folks... anyone getting the 12.30 Nightrider to navan from City Centre. is it worth getting it a O"Connell or is it full by the time it gets there? Whats the next time after that for Nightrider? Thanks

gazzer

horseburger wrote: »

hi Gazzer

just wondering, did the 109 - 109A connection in Kells for the airport work out for you the other week?

I'm just curious, as I'm not sure the 109 from Cavan would have reached Kells by the time the 109A leaves from Kells at 10 to the hour.

I ended up getting a seat on the 30 from Cavan. Though that was a bit of a nightmare because the bus driver pulled over on the road just outside Virginia for a half hour until another bus driver replaced him. Then when we got to the airport we had to go around 3 different times because the replacement driver had never driven to the airport before and kept getting into the wrong lane

gazzer

CVH24 wrote: »

can i ask where were the delays? Just a guess but were they out of Dublin or anything specif happen, I guess all towns are a bit busier coming up to xmas. It would have been if you also visited the centre. It is crazy lenght of time really.

We didnt go into the centre. We just went up the slip road at Blanch SC and then down the other slip road back onto the N3.

The traffic was bad enough on the Navan Road from McDonalds until the Halfway House.

Still that journey was not as bad as the epic 3 hours 30 minutes that it took last week (Thursday 11th) for the 4pm 109 to get from Wilton Terrace to Cavan. That was great fun

horseburger

tom23 wrote: »

Hi folks... anyone getting the 12.30 Nightrider to navan from City Centre. is it worth getting it a O"Connell or is it full by the time it gets there? Whats the next time after that for Nightrider? Thanks

It usually has space for everyone when it picks up at Bus Aras and at Penny's on O'Connell St, but it's likely that there'd be more people using it this time of year, after Christmas parties or whatever, so it'd be safer to get it at Bus Aras, where it picks up on the Store Street side.

For example, last night the 10.30pm 109 to Cavan was full, which meant there wasn't room for anyone waiting for it at Phibsboro Church or Blanchardstown. As a result, passengers who had been waiting for that 10.30pm service at Phibsboro Church and at Blanchardstown, then got the 109 service that left Bus Aras at 11.30pm.

The 9.30pm 109 service last night was also full, and there wasn't room for at least one passenger, who had been waiting for it at Phibsboro Church.

The next 109N from Bus Aras, after the 12.30am service, is at 3.30am. Both services are the same bus. It does a return journey from Navan at 1.45am, to Dublin, before its 3.30am service from Dublin. It then does a return journey from Navan back to Dublin at 4.45am.

The midnight 30 bus to Donegal, that picks up at the Store Street side of Bus Aras at midnight and at the airport at 12.20am, serves Navan and Kells as drop off points every night.

If there is someone for Navan, it takes exit 8 and gets in to the town around 1am-1.05am. It is just before 1am when it goes by the Kilcarne Bridge stop after taking exit 8.

tom23

Ok it's Christmas, one should not be griping. 12:30 night rider appears around the corner queue a ****load of people running for it. 12:30 Departure is a myth. Bus appears at 12:30. I suppose people should be grateful. Bus departs at 12:45.

horseburger

tom23 wrote: »

Ok it's Christmas, one should not be griping. 12:30 night rider appears around the corner queue a ****load of people running for it. 12:30 Departure is a myth. Bus appears at 12:30. I suppose people should be grateful. Bus departs at 12:45.

The 30 bus to Donegal leaves exactly at midnight every night. It takes less time to get to Navan than the 109N.

The 12.30am 109N usually gets to Navan around 1.40am.

AlekSmart

horseburger wrote: »

The 30 bus to Donegal leaves exactly at midnight every night. It takes less time to get to Navan than the 109N.

The 12.30am 109N usually gets to Navan around 1.40am.

Grrrrr...would ya stop burstin Lad's baloons.....all of this "Exactly" business...and EVERY night too.....where's your sense of negativity when it's needed ?

horseburger

AlekSmart wrote: »

Grrrrr...would ya stop burstin Lad's baloons.....all of this "Exactly" business...and EVERY night too.....where's your sense of negativity when it's needed ?

The midnight Donegal 30 service, in my experience, is a very punctual service, I guess due to no traffic congestion. It leaves Donegal at 7pm and does the return service at 12am from Dublin.

The different drivers of the midnight 30 service from Dublin, arrive in Navan and Kells at pretty much the same times; 12.58am-12.59am at the stop at Kilcarne Bridge and then around 1am-1.05am at the Mercy Convent stop and then Kells 1.15am-1.20am.

If there is someone for Kells and no one for Navan - since the timetable change since 16th November making all towns except Virginia and Cavan, on this midnight service, drop off points only - it then takes exit 10 for Kells and will get to Kells around 1.05am-1.10am.

tom23

AlekSmart wrote: »

Grrrrr...would ya stop burstin Lad's baloons.....all of this "Exactly" business...and EVERY night too.....where's your sense of negativity when it's needed ?

In fairness I was been a bit cranky in that last post. Ok 15 minutes is not the end of the world.

tom23

I see we are back to halcyon days of pre 2005 when the bus qeus to get through dun shaughlin. Traffic is mental from half house to dun shaughlin.

Furp

On the 109 from Navan this morning there as a booklet on every seat about proposed changes to the 109 and other services to Dublin, they are inviting feedback by 21st of January 5pm.

The booklet is also available on their website:

http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1420620583-M3-Corridor.pdf

this is the summary from the first page, they want to introduce more direct services using the M3.

Bus Éireann and the National Transport Authority (NTA) propose to improve your bus
service along the M3 Corridor and surrounding towns into Dublin. The proposals follow
a review of public transport services undertaken by the National Transport Authority in
conjunction with Bus Éireann.

Key outcomes from the review included the following requirements:
» Provide shorter journey times and more direct services via M3 motorway
» Better match the level of service to the demand for travel from individual areas and towns
» Provide improved connections for more people to Dublin Airport
Cavan, Virginia, Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Athboy and Trim are currently served in the
main by Routes 109 and 111. It is proposed that these areas will be served by a set of
newly numbered services, each with separate and defined routings to/from Dublin.

This
booklet outlines each new route and explains how services are proposed to change in all of
the above locations.

Network Improvements:
» A simple, easy to understand better connected network of bus services
» Increased frequency and capacity
» User friendly timetable evenly spread through the day
» Simplified route numbering


List of service proposals
1. CAVAN-VIRGINIA-KELLS-DUBLIN via M3
2. NAVAN-DUBLIN via M3
3. KELLS-NAVAN-DUNSHAUGHLIN-DUBLIN via R147 (old N3)
4. TRIM-DUNSHAUGHLIN-DUBLIN via R147 (old N3)
5. CAVAN-ATHBOY-TRIM via R154


These proposals are described in greater detail in the following pages. You are invited to
consider the proposals and to send back your comments and suggestions. Contact details
are provided on the back cover.

LXFlyer

Interesting proposals - definitely a win for Navan passengers with these.

I'm not sure Trim passengers will be too happy with a diversion via Dunshaughlin, nor will Batterstown passengers, although by doing that it maintains a 30 minute service to Dunshaughlin.

The list of service proposals above omits the hourly 109A Kells-Navan-Dunshaughlin-Ashbourne-Dublin Airport-DCU service which will continue to operate.