Bus Eireann routes 109/109A Changes

Commuter109

kerosene wrote: »

Im guessing it might go up to the roundabout at supervalu in johnstown and back down onto dublin road.

Absoloute madness that the dpt service is cancelled. I was on the 5.45 bus one day last week and after 45 mins we still were not as far as the Halfway house pub.

Is there a stop to serve between the roundabout and the ardboyne stop?

In any case looks like Garlow Cross is still been served by every single XN , so its a still poor result for the vast vast majority of people.

Why are they so reluctant to provide proper detail?

gazzer

I wonder when the 109x will start to operate. I have to travel to Dublin for work twice next week to be in Adelaide Road for 9.30am.

AlekSmart

Commuter109 wrote: »

"A new stop will be provided before the bridge at the Ardboyne Hotel to facilitate customers at this location"

So assumedly then nothing has really changed, except an extra stop for Johnstown?

I'm assuming the idea is now the "XN" will service the new stop and still go around the world.

So still no true expresses and No DPT in the evenings. Joke shop

Need to have a look at the Sillian option I think

The absolutely incredible decision of a Public Transport Operator (and it's Supervisory Authority) to studiously ignore the provision of Strategic Infrastructure,when that has been proven to offer very significant benefits to both Public Transport customers,other road users,and the greater environment,should surely be the stuff of censure ?

At this stage,I am fairly confident it will take direct Ministerial Instruction to the Board of Bus Éireann to ensure it's vehicles use the DPT.

I would be hopeful,that a direct approach to Shane Ross on the issue of BÉ's refusal to utilise the DPT,might at least prompt a site visit to the place...It may well be that they regard the DPT as only being relevant to Dublin Airport related services

sofireland

Absolutely baffling that they aren't using Dpt more. I assume this spells the end of the direct buses from Navan at 0705 and 720 and the ones out of town at 1730 and 1830.

Wayno717

Hi guys,

Small question regarding the 109 and the blanchards town SC Slip road stop. Does anyone know if the bus stops there between the times of 7am - 9am from kells. I'm asking because i've gotten reports from people saying completely different things like the bus does and dosnt stop there, and it only stops if you ask the driver.

I just want to know as looking at the timetable, it looks like it completely ignores blanchards town all together. I was wondering if anyone cold help me on that front

Thanks in advance

tom23

AlekSmart wrote: »

Anybody intending to engage with Bus Eireann,or more appropriately,the NTA,really needs to focus on this reality.

This form of routing really does underline the purpose of the DP Tunnel and how effective it actually is WHEN it is utilized.

Quite why the players in the 109 saga continue to be so reluctant about utilizing it,and more worryingly,why they shy away from further developing it's use remains baffling in the extreme.

It's worthwhile recalling that old Radio Advert Slogan...."Only an Hour from Dublin" and then recognizing that it remains possible even in the 21st Century....but only IF the infrastructure is used.

Doubling the current peak time 109 DPT useage would be an eminently sensible starting point ?

This is an excellent point Alex, i for one would love to know why the DPT is completely ignored. Does not make sense.

AlekSmart

tom23 wrote: »

This is an excellent point Alex, i for one would love to know why the DPT is completely ignored. Does not make sense.

At this juncture,Bus Eireann or more properly,the NTA,cannot be forced into using the DPT,however there may be an opportunity to force them to outline what consideration they gave that routing,followed by a detailed reasoning as to why they choose not to utilise it ?

Things making sense to ordinary people,is not quite the same,as things making sense to senior Public Administrators

Commuter109

AlekSmart wrote: »

At this juncture,Bus Eireann or more properly,the NTA,cannot be forced into using the DPT,however there may be an opportunity to force them to outline what consideration they gave that routing,followed by a detailed reasoning as to why they choose not to utilise it ?

Things making sense to ordinary people,is not quite the same,as things making sense to senior Public Administrators

In any of these consultations, I have submitted feedback looking for statistics,

Why does Johnstown need circa 400% more stops than the entire rest of Navan,

Test times and when the routes were tested, i.e. how will a bus do South side to Bersford place in 4 minutes.

How does every journey take the same time regardless of the time of day or night it travels or the route.

How is the Finglas route quicker than DPT.

But not a chance of getting any sort of proper reply.

Maybe one for the Freedom of Info act me thinks!

AlekSmart

Commuter109 wrote: »

In any of these consultations, I have submitted feedback looking for statistics,

Why does Johnstown need circa 400% more stops than the entire rest of Navan,

Test times and when the routes were tested, i.e. how will a bus do South side to Bersford place in 4 minutes.

How does every journey take the same time regardless of the time of day or night it travels or the route.

How is the Finglas route quicker than DPT.

But not a chance of getting any sort of proper reply.

Maybe one for the Freedom of Info act me thinks!

It's a great pity some significant Politican cannot be persuaded to take an active interest in this.

When one thinks of the HUGE investment in the DPT and the reasons for it's planning and construction,it's tantamount to sabotage for a State Sponsored Public Transport Authority to continue with the pretence that it was never completed at all !

It is truly bizzarre.

horseburger

AlekSmart wrote: »

It's a great pity some significant Politican cannot be persuaded to take an active interest in this.

When one thinks of the HUGE investment in the DPT and the reasons for it's planning and construction,it's tantamount to sabotage for a State Sponsored Public Transport Authority to continue with the pretence that it was never completed at all !

It is truly bizzarre.

I understand what you are saying, that elected public representatives should get involved in issues like changes to bus routes, but I think that, very often, when politicians make comments about bus services, they reveal, unwittingly, that they don't really know what they are talking about.

I think the bus users, who write in this discussion, give far more insight and speak with more authority, than local public representatives, because they are far more familiar with how the services operate. Bus users, can give better arguments to Bus Éireann and the National Transport Authority, regarding bus routes, than local public representatives.

For example, on Friday 15th January 2016, Regina Doherty TD, Fine Gael, Ratoath, issued a press statement saying how terrible it was that the 105, which operates through Ratoath, would no longer serve Kentstown or Duleek, if the proposed changes to the 105 service were implemented, which proposed that the 105 would no longer serve Dublin City Centre, but instead serve Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown.

(This was when proposals were announced, that the 105 would no longer go into Dublin City Centre, but operate to Blanchardstown Connolly Hospital instead.)

http://reginadoherty.blogspot.ie/2016/01/doherty-calls-for-reversal-of-proposed.html.

"Fine Gael TD for Meath East, Regina Doherty, has called on Bus Eireann to reverse proposed changes to Route 105 which will see the new terminus at Connolly Hospital and will no longer bring commuters from Duleek, Kentstown, Ashbourne, and Ratoath to the city centre".

Until the recent timetable changes for the 105 and 103, which started on 3rd April 2016, the 105 did not serve Kenstown or Duleek. When Regina Doherty issued that statement, Kentstown was served by the 107 bus route, and Duleek by the 103. When she issued that statement neither Kentstown or Duleek were served by the 105 bus.

What she said would be like releasing a press statement, complaining about the changes to the 109 route, by saying how terrible it is that the 109 no longer serves Oldcastle.

Here is a link to a post I wrote about it in March, I included a link to the then current, but now old, 105 and 103 timetables, to indicate that her statement about the 105 serving Duleek and Kentstown was incorrect. (These old timetables are no longer on the buseireann.ie site, but I included them as attachments, for reference purposes and to be able to compare them to the new 105 and 103 routes).

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99201918&postcount=23

Basically, I think that the bus users can give greater insight, observations and recommendations than elected public representatives, considering the example where Regina Doherty showed that she wasn't even familiar with the route taken, by the Bus Éireann service that passes through her own local area.

Al_Coholic

Not sure if this was posted before but Sillan Tours have a new bus schedule since last Monday
More services during week and weekend might suit more people

gazzer

I hope this new service starts soon. 2 hours 10 minutes to get to Virginia from Dublin on Saturday. Rediculous. Dont get me started on that bloody one way system that is in operation in Kells. Stuck in traffic for ages.

Banjoxed

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, why hasn't the Navan - M3 Parkway rail project been activated? Failing that, why hasn't Navan - Drogheda - Dublin been put forward, when clearly the 'paths through Connolly' issue is now a dead duck with the Phoenix Park Tunnel services imminent?

Failing both those options, why does BÉ go out of its way to NOT stop buses at the M3 Parkway station except for one Trim bus each way?

I suspect candidates for the next GE are dusting down Noel Dempsey's "Dempsey Delivers" nonsense for reuse.

LXFlyer

Banjoxed wrote: »

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, why hasn't the Navan - M3 Parkway rail project been activated? Failing that, why hasn't Navan - Drogheda - Dublin been put forward, when clearly the 'paths through Connolly' issue is now a dead duck with the Phoenix Park Tunnel services imminent?

Failing both those options, why does BÉ go out of its way to NOT stop buses at the M3 Parkway station except for one Trim bus each way?

I suspect candidates for the next GE are dusting down Noel Dempsey's "Dempsey Delivers" nonsense for reuse.

Lack of public funds is the primary reason for the non-delivery of the rest of the rail line to Navan.

No demand - all 111 services were routed via the station initially but people didn't use it. People would have to pay two separate fares to use the 111 and train, with no significant time saving.

Using the Navan-Drogheda railway route for additional trains really isn't on the cards as with the 10 minute DART, outer suburban paths on the Northern Line (apart from one per hour) become far slower and would offer no benefit over the proposed bus services from Navan. Add to that the fact that there is no rolling stock to deliver it.

Whatsdastory

Dear Bus Eireann, please use common sense
24 buses a day from Kells to Airport on 109a Bus route and obviously 24 on return journey?
50 seater buses * 24 equals 1200*2 =2400?
Is there 2400 people travelling daily from Kells to Airport?

Never more than 5 people on these buses in my experience!
How about running only 20 buses a day on this route, and use the other 4 buses for following route
Cavan - Virginia - Kells to Dublin via M3 & DPT 4 times in morning and 4 in evening!?
Not via gridlock Blan/Phisboro. New buses are going via Finglas!!? wtf?
Even if you had one bus starting in Kells say at 715 and get go direct to O Connell St arriving at 815, trust me it would be full every day just with Kells customers.


Kells Town Hall to O Connell St takes roughly 60 minutes via M3&DPT. Thats what majority of customer's want who get on a bus in the morning in Cavan/Virginia/Kells.


Common sense please!

Vic_08

Whatsdastory wrote: »

Dear Bus Eireann, please use common sense
24 buses a day from Kells to Airport on 109a Bus route and obviously 24 on return journey?
50 seater buses * 24 equals 1200*2 =2400?
Is there 2400 people travelling daily from Kells to Airport?

Never more than 5 people on these buses in my experience!

Leaving Kells maybe but the 109a also picks up in Navan, Dunsaughlin, Ratoath and Ashbourne as well as stops along the route. It also drops off at DCU. It is a well used route, particularly in the peaks.

Whatsdastory wrote: »

How about running only 20 buses a day on this route, and use the other 4 buses for following route
Cavan - Virginia - Kells to Dublin via M3 & DPT 4 times in morning and 4 in evening!?

Honestly, how much thought did you put into that? You can't just pluck 4 random departures on one route and place them on another when it suits you.

The 109a does not run 24 BUSES it runs 24 departures. In total the route currently uses 4 buses, if you did as you asked there would be no 109a from Kells between 05.40 and 10.40 am and from Dublin Airport between 15.15 and 20.15, how much use do you think that service would be then?

In fact quite the opposite is happening, as of yesterday 2 extra peak departures in each direction are running on the 109a to cope with the heavy demand for travel to/from DCU in particular.

http://www.buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf

horseburger

Vic_08 wrote: »

Leaving Kells maybe but the 109a also picks up in Navan, Dunsaughlin, Ratoath and Ashbourne as well as stops along the route. It also drops off at DCU. It is a well used route, particularly in the peaks.




Honestly, how much thought did you put into that? You can't just pluck 4 random departures on one route and place them on another when it suits you.

The 109a does not run 24 BUSES it runs 24 departures. In total the route currently uses 4 buses, if you did as you asked there would be no 109a from Kells between 05.40 and 10.40 am and from Dublin Airport between 15.15 and 20.15, how much use do you think that service would be then?

In fact quite the opposite is happening, as of yesterday 2 extra peak departures in each direction are running on the 109a to cope with the heavy demand for travel to/from DCU in particular.

http://www.buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf

I think it is very good that the 109A is 24 hours now, and that at night it serves Bus Aras to and from Kells.

A lot of people who get the 109N on Friday and Saturday nights at 12.30am and 3.30am, would often state that there should be a 109N service from Dublin in between 12.30am and 3.30am.

They mustn't have realised that the 12.30am and 3.30am services are the same bus, that after it arrives in Navan around 1.40am, does a return service at 1.45am and then after the 3.30am service gets to Navan, does another return service from Navan to Dublin at 4.45am.

I wonder, in time, considering the 109A is - since Sunday 31st July 2016 - hourly from Bus Aras throughout the night, to and from Ratoath, Dunshaughlin and Navan as well as Kells, Ashbourne and the airport, will the need for the 109N on Friday and Saturday nights, lessen?

I can't understand why Bus Éireann doesn't promote and advertise this new 24 hour service between Kells and Dublin, a lot more.

srsly78

These new double-decker buses are quite luxurious. Tables, also plugs and usb ports!?

tom23

Got the four o'clock departure and it will be night on two hours getting to Navan, god love anyone going Kells. There really has to be a better and more quicker to commute. It's back to pre 2006. What was the point of the M3?

Banjoxed

tom23 wrote: »

Got the four o'clock departure and it will be night on two hours getting to Navan, god love anyone going Kells. There really has to be a better and more quicker to commute. It's back to pre 2006. What was the point of the M3?

That is a very good question and here's another one. What was the land purchase costs for the M3, versus estimated land purchase costs for rebuilding the railway between M3 Parkway and Navan?

horseburger

Banjoxed wrote: »

That is a very good question and here's another one. What was the land purchase costs for the M3, versus estimated land purchase costs for rebuilding the railway between M3 Parkway and Navan?

The M3 will be used on the proposed XN services. Bus Éireann clearly intends using it throughout the day - and not just on particular services between Navan and Dublin - on the proposed Navan- Dublin XN service.

http://buseireann.ie/pdf/1471362174-Summary-Timetable--Dublin-Navan.pdf

Did anyone really believe that the railway line between Navan or Dublin, or between Navan and the M3 Parkway, was ever goin to happen.

It was talked about for years, as far back as 16 years ago that a Navan Dublin rail line was going to be built. It was stated that it'd be built by 2010. Then in 2010, it was stated by then Minister Noel Dempsey that it'd be built by 2015.

Here is an article, on the Meath Chronicle site dated 28th July 2010:
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/navan/articles/2010/07/28/3998833-dempsey-insists-rail-project-still-on-track/

Someone included this article in a discussion on the Irish Railway News site. The post was written on 31st July 2010, but in the post, a link to the article on the Meath Chronicle site, or a scan of the article in the paper was not included:

http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/sreply/42349/Infrastructure-investment-20102016-impact-Rail-projects#.V9wJh-TrvIU

http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/forum/getrefs/id/42349/type/0

http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/reply/43899/t/-Infrastructure-investment-2010-2016-impact--Rail-projects.html#.V9wEv-TrvIU

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/minister-insists-dublin-navan-rail-line-will-go-ahead-127090.html

http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/navan/articles/2008/01/12/23217-navan-rail-line-100-certain-says-dempsey/

http://www.politics.ie/forum/transport/134698-noel-dempsey-insists-navan-rail-line-will-operating-2015-a.html

Banjoxed

horseburger wrote: »

The M3 will be used on the proposed XN services. Bus Éireann clearly intends using it throughout the day - and not just on particular services between Navan and Dublin - on the proposed Navan- Dublin XN service.

http://buseireann.ie/pdf/1471362174-Summary-Timetable--Dublin-Navan.pdf

Did anyone really believe that the railway line between Navan or Dublin, or between Navan and the M3 Parkway, was ever goin to happen.

It was talked about for years, as far back as 16 years ago that a Navan Dublin rail line was going to be built. It was stated that it'd be built by 2010. Then in 2010, it was stated by then Minister Noel Dempsey that it'd be built by 2015.

Here is an article, on the Meath Chronicle site dated 28th July 2010:
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/navan/articles/2010/07/28/3998833-dempsey-insists-rail-project-still-on-track/

Someone included this article in a discussion on the Irish Railway News site. The post was written on 31st July 2010, but in the post, a link to the article on the Meath Chronicle site, or a scan of the article in the paper was not included:

http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/sreply/42349/Infrastructure-investment-20102016-impact-Rail-projects#.V9wJh-TrvIU

http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/forum/getrefs/id/42349/type/0

http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/reply/43899/t/-Infrastructure-investment-2010-2016-impact--Rail-projects.html#.V9wEv-TrvIU

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/minister-insists-dublin-navan-rail-line-will-go-ahead-127090.html

http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/navan/articles/2008/01/12/23217-navan-rail-line-100-certain-says-dempsey/

http://www.politics.ie/forum/transport/134698-noel-dempsey-insists-navan-rail-line-will-operating-2015-a.html

O yes Mr Burger I'm well aware of the shenanigans around the Navan rail project. I think the consensus is now it was a diddycoy to sneak the M3 Outdoor Relief Scheme through. Handy to have those links in one place though.

gazzer

Still no word on when these changes are coming in? I presume they will give us a bit of notice I have to get the bus from Cavan to Dublin on Thursday.

Banjoxed

gazzer wrote: »

Still no word on when these changes are coming in? I presume they will give us a bit of notice I have to get the bus from Cavan to Dublin on Thursday.

I googled that for you, hope it helps

https://national.buseireann.ie/?originStop=13586&destinationstop=13500&ticketType=2&departdate=26-sep-2016&departtime=0400&returndate=26-sep-2016&returntime=1200&adult=1&child=0&student=0&family=0

gazzer

Banjoxed wrote: »

I googled that for you, hope it helps

https://national.buseireann.ie/?originStop=13586&destinationstop=13500&ticketType=2&departdate=26-sep-2016&departtime=0400&returndate=26-sep-2016&returntime=1200&adult=1&child=0&student=0&family=0

You are too good ;);) I checked the timetable before I posted but I just thought I would double check in case somebody "In the know" here had an update

LXFlyer

gazzer wrote: »

Still no word on when these changes are coming in? I presume they will give us a bit of notice I have to get the bus from Cavan to Dublin on Thursday.

They are obliged to give 10 days notice of any changes to timetables, routes or bus stop locations.

Nekarsulm

The 109 from Cavan to Dublin is a head wrecker. Crawling over the M3 into the Blanch. and back out again.
Also full of sick people with a Bus Pass heading to the Mater. Most of whom never heard of covering their mouth as the hack up phlegm all the way to Dublin.
Luckily, early commuters (6.55am in Cavan) can usually get on a 30 that runs from Donegal to the Airport, and on to Bus Aras.
This is a quicker service and always has happier people on it.
Its also more than Euro 4 cheaper for a one way to Bus Aras.

gazzer

lxflyer wrote: »

They are obliged to give 10 days notice of any changes to timetables, routes or bus stop locations.

Thanks for that info. I didnt realise that was the case. Looks like it wont be until October so that the changes take place.

horseburger

gazzer wrote: »

Thanks for that info. I didnt realise that was the case. Looks like it wont be until October so that the changes take place.

It is stated in the press release issued by Bus Éireann on Monday 29th August 2016 that:

"No changes will be implemented until approved by the Authority. Once approved, customers will be notified a minimum of 10 days prior to any changes to our services on this corridor".

http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2123&month=Aug

Commuter109

http://www.buseireann.ie/news.php?id=2152&month=Sep

Never like to see any entity in difficulty, but it really is no surprise with BE

tom23

Almost twenty years using bus eireann 109 and All I can is that this service is stretched beyond maximum. Sooner the better a long term strategy is in place for public transport because right now 70minutes from bus aras to blanch the slip road is simply not acceptable. Logistically this bus route is trying to cover to large of an area.

tara83

tom23 wrote: »

Almost twenty years using bus eireann 109 and All I can is that this service is stretched beyond maximum. Sooner the better a long term strategy is in place for public transport because right now 70minutes from bus aras to blanch the slip road is simply not acceptable. Logistically this bus route is trying to cover to large of an area.

20yrs ! that deserves a medal. I'd fully agree with you

tara83

12:30 night bus never showed up tonigh!. I've a sneaky suspicion they just put on the 12:25 109a. It's not acceptable for a night rider bus not to show when there isn't an alternative method

horseburger

tara83 wrote: »

12:30 night bus never showed up tonigh!. I've a sneaky suspicion they just put on the 12:25 109a. It's not acceptable for a night rider bus not to show when there isn't an alternative method

The thing is, now there is an alternative. Since 31st July, the 109A runs every hour 24 hours, to and from Kells and the towns in between, and doesn't take that much longer to get to Navan than the 109N.

A lot of people who use either the 12.30am 109N or the 3.30am 109N, say that there should be another 109N bus from Dublin in between 12.30am and 3.30am.

Now, there are hourly 109A services from Dublin city Centre seven nights a week, not just two late night services on Friday and Saturday nights.

Since 31st July, there are hourly 109A services from Bus Aras to Ashbourne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Navan and Kells.

Even though the 109A picks up at the airport after leaving from Bus Aras during the night, it doesn't take that much longer to get back to Navan, compared to the 109N services at 12.30am and 3.30am.

I would say the 109A services from Bus Aras at night, take about 10 minutes longer than the 109N services on Friday and Saturday nights, to get back to Navan.

The 12.30am 109N from Bus Aras usually gets to Navan around 1.40am, and then does the return journey from Navan back to Dublin at 1.45am.

Did you get either the 12.25am or 1.25am 109A from the Store Street side of Bus Aras, or were you waiting for the 109N near Pennys / GPO on O'Connell Street?

Sometimes it is near 12.45am, by the time the 109N gets to the pick up point at O'Connell Street, I guess because it takes longer for people buying tickets, because anyone getting on at Bus Aras, has to pay a single cash one way fare, as a result of the nightriders not accepting tickets bought on the general routes that cover Ratoath, Dunshaughlin and Navan.

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf

tara83

I'm aware of all of what you just said. Myself and about 10 other people waited until 1am at the O Connell st stop. The 101 Drogheda bus arrived at 12:40 and the 109 generally follows within a few minutes.

Thankfully some others decided to walk to Bus aras to catch the 01:25 109a as its not a walk I'd make on my own at that hour.

horseburger

tara83 wrote: »

I'm aware of all of what you just said. Myself and about 10 other people waited until 1am at the O Connell st stop. The 101 Drogheda bus arrived at 12:40 and the 109 generally follows within a few minutes.

Thankfully some others decided to walk to Bus aras to catch the 01:25 109a as its not a walk I'd make on my own at that hour.

Just wondering, if you were aware of the 24 hour 109A service, why did you say that there wasn't an alternative method to the 109N?

tara83

horseburger wrote: »

Just wondering, if you were aware of the 24 hour 109A service, why did you say that there wasn't an alternative method to the 109N?

It goes from a different location and is an hour later. Whether there's an alternative or not a bus not running is unacceptable. Its similar to outside peak times during the day when buses often don't show or are very late. If you have somewhere to be you cannot rely on the service.

horseburger

tara83 wrote: »

It goes from a different location and is an hour later. Whether there's an alternative or not a bus not running is unacceptable. Its similar to outside peak times during the day when buses often don't show or are very late. If you have somewhere to be you cannot rely on the service.

I didn't make any excuse for the 109N not running.

I asked you why you stated that there was no alternative to the 109N.

I was saying that there is an alternative to the 109N, a much more frequent 109A service that runs hourly every night, and not just two services, three hours apart, on Friday and Saturday nights at 12.30am and 3.30am.

Both the 109N at 12.30am and 3.30am, and the 109A at 12.25am start from the Store Street side of Bus Aras. All the 109A services from Dublin during the night start from Bus Aras before going to the airport.

In fairness, they don't go from a different location. They pick up at different locations, after leaving from the same departure point, at Store Street outside Bus Aras, where there is a security guard in attendance during the night.

Banjoxed

horseburger wrote: »

In fairness, they don't go from a different location. They pick up at different locations, after leaving from the same departure point, at Store Street outside Bus Aras, where there is a security guard in attendance during the night.

Ah Bus Arsa. A place that would fill anyone with confidence during the day, now with its carefully crafted ambience available throughout the night.


Apart for the landowners along the M3, what exactly did Noel Dempsey Deliver, again?

horseburger

Banjoxed wrote: »

Ah Bus Arsa. A place that would fill anyone with confidence during the day, now with its carefully crafted ambience available throughout the night.


Apart for the landowners along the M3, what exactly did Noel Dempsey Deliver, again?

The point is, there is an alternative to the 109N services on Friday and Saturday nights - an hourly 109A bus service. The 109A services leave before, at pretty much time same time, and after the 109N services are scheduled to leave Bus Aras. The 109A services also depart from the Store Street side of Bus Aras. These are the issues I was highlighting.

It is not correct to say that there is no alternative to the 109N service at 12.30am and 3.30am on Friday and Saturday nights.

There are 109A's from Bus Aras at 12.25am, 1.25am, 2.25am, 3.25am, 4.25am, 5.25am and 6.25am, every night. The 109A has been operating 24 hours, and departing from Bus Aras during the night, since 31st July 2016.

It could only be argued that there was no alternative to the 109N from Bus Aras at 12.30am and 3.30am on Friday and Saturday nights, if the 109A services throughout the night were not operating from the city centre.

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf

foggy_lad

Banjoxed wrote: »

Ah Bus Arsa. A place that would fill anyone with confidence during the day, now with its carefully crafted ambience available throughout the night.


Apart for the landowners along the M3, what exactly did Noel Dempsey Deliver, again?

only available until 11pm then you wait outside on the footpath!

Banjoxed

horseburger wrote: »

The point is, there is an alternative to the 109N services on Friday and Saturday nights - an hourly 109A bus service. The 109A services leave before, at pretty much time same time, and after the 109N services are scheduled to leave Bus Aras. The 109A services also depart from the Store Street side of Bus Aras. These are the issues I was highlighting.

It is not correct to say that there is no alternative to the 109N service at 12.30am and 3.30am on Friday and Saturday nights.

There are 109A's from Bus Aras at 12.25am, 1.25am, 2.25am, 3.25am, 4.25am, 5.25am and 6.25am, every night. The 109A has been operating 24 hours, and departing from Bus Aras during the night, since 31st July 2016.

It could only be argued that there was no alternative to the 109N from Bus Aras at 12.30am and 3.30am on Friday and Saturday nights, if the 109A services throughout the night were not operating from the city centre.

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf

No sign yet of that train that Dempsey claimed he was delivering though.

horseburger

Banjoxed wrote: »

No sign yet of that train that Dempsey claimed he was delivering though.

Very true, but one advantage the various bus services - which operate to and from Dublin and various other parts of the country - have over the train services, is that they operate much later, with connections throughout the night to and from Dublin.

Even the bus companies that don't run services during the night and early morning, still have services from particular towns along the routes of their services, that run later than the last train services from those towns.

For example, Dublin Coach run a bus from Cork to Dublin that picks up at McDonagh Train Station in Kilkenny at 9.45pm. Bus Éireann runs a service from Clonmel at 2.35am to Dublin that picks up at Kilkenny at 3.15am.

The last train from Kilkenny to Dublin is 7.02pm Monday to Saturday and 6.43pm on Sundays.

These bus services include the Bus Éireann service to and from Belfast and Dublin. which operates every two hours to and from Bus Aras and The Europa Bus Centre between 11pm and 5am and the Bus Éireann service between Clonmel, Kilkenny and Dublin.

JJ Kavanagh's runs services to and from Waterford and Dublin as well as a service to and from Shannon, Limerick and Dublin and another service to and from Clonmel, Kilkenny and Dublin.

Dublin Coach runs services between Tralee, Ennis, Limerick and Dublin and a service covering Cork, Kilkenny and Dublin. Aircoach runs a 24 hour service to and from Dublin and Belfast as well as to and from Dublin and Cork. Aircoach also has 24 hour services between Leopardstown and Dublin Airport, Dalkey/Kiliney, the city centre and the airport, as well as another 24 hour service between Greystones and Dublin Airport.

Other services include Citylink and Go Bus services between Dublin and Galway, with both companies running services during the night to Dublin from the New Coach Station in Galway.

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1470224678-X1.pdf

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1442312641-X7.pdf

http://jjkavanagh.ie/time-tables

http://www.dublincoach.ie/timetables-fares/dublin-coach-routes.php

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/04_dublin-waterford_25052015.pdf

http://www.aircoach.ie/timetables

http://www.citylink.ie/timetables

http://www.gobus.ie/timetable.php

gazzer

Had a great 20 minute wait on the bus yesterday morning when the 11am bus from Cavan got stuck behind a Bin lorry when going up the main street in Navan. It was 12.40 before we got out of Navan. 1.40 before we got into O'Connell Street.

LXFlyer

The 111X is being launched on Monday next.


http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2157&month=Oct

Customer Notice: Route 111X: Clonmellon – Delvin – Athboy – City Centre, effective 10 October 2016

Bus Éireann, in conjunction with the National Transport Authority, has recently carried out a review of services along the M3 Corridor and are pleased to announce the introduction of additional weekday departures from Athboy to Dublin which will operate as Route 111X: Clonmellon – Delvin – Athboy – City Centre. These additional services will be implemented from Monday, 10 October 2016.


The main features of Route 111X as follows:

• Two weekday morning services from Clonmellon/Delvin/Athboy to the City Centre.
• Two weekday daily evening services from the City Centre to Athboy/Delvin/Clonmellon.
• All services will operate to/from the City Centre via the M3 Motorway
• All services will operate via the Finglas QBC to ensure the quickest journey time
• All service’s will operate to/from the South City Centre serving the following stops:
  • Wilton Terrace
  • Merrion sq North
  • Westland Row – Connections to the Dart Network
• Clonmellon will be linked to the City Centre for the first time.
• Customers for the Mater Hospital can alight at the Phibsboro and can board the evening services at Lower Dorset St.

These changes have been approved by the National Transport Authority.


Further improvements to services on the M3 Corridor will be announced in the coming weeks.


Bus Éireann would like to thank our customers for their continued support and patience during the implementation of changes to this route. We look forward to welcoming you on board our improved services in the near future.

Thursday, 6th October, 2016

malene

is clonee a drop or pick up stop on the way to dublin?

horseburger

malene wrote: »

is clonee a drop or pick up stop on the way to dublin?

Clonee is a drop off point on the 109 services to Dublin and a pick up point on the 109 services from Dublin.

munchkin_utd

lxflyer wrote: »

The 111X is being launched on Monday next.


http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2157&month=Oct

actually, a nice way of trialling how the services via M50 and Finglas QBC work in practice, without introducing all new routes on the 109 corridor as the first proper experiment.

Conway635

munchkin_utd wrote: »

lxflyer wrote: »

The 111X is being launched on Monday next.


http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2157&month=Oct

actually, a nice way of trialling how the services via M50 and Finglas QBC work in practice, without introducing all new routes on the 109 corridor as the first proper experiment.

I used the 111X on Monday 6pm (first day) and found the Finglas routing very good. I'm using it again tonight.

C635

chewed

Conway635 wrote: »

I used the 111X on Monday 6pm (first day) and found the Finglas routing very good. I'm using it again tonight.

C635

Does the 111x make any stops between Athboy and Blanchardstown?