Crusader Kings II

Jelle1880

Is there a way to change your allegiance ?

I'm the Duke of Cornwall now, and I'm part of Norway after they won England from William the Conqueror.
But now they're getting slapped all over the place, and I was attacked and defeated big time, yet I remained part of Norway while the rest of England became part of the Kingdom of England ?

Basically: I wanna join the winning side
I tried giving up my seat in the council, but the Queen of Norway (who is my liege) immediately offers it back.

Farcheal

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Is there a way to change your allegiance ?

I'm the Duke of Cornwall now, and I'm part of Norway after they won England from William the Conqueror.
But now they're getting slapped all over the place, and I was attacked and defeated big time, yet I remained part of Norway while the rest of England became part of the Kingdom of England ?

Basically: I wanna join the winning side
I tried giving up my seat in the council, but the Queen of Norway (who is my liege) immediately offers it back.

They must have all joined some sort of Faction to gain independence under an English Claimant. To gain your own independence, either yourself or your liege must either revolt independently or as part of a faction against the Norwegian crown itself. You can depose your own liege (Assuming you are a Count) through plots etc. (I think)

Spunge

dunno whats going on but i married my cousin, my sister doesnt like me coz im a "Pretender" and some fags around me attacked all my ****. Its progress anyway.

Guyanachronism

pablomakaveli wrote: »

The beauty of CK2 is you can lose everything but still come back from that.

In my game i was close to unifying Ireland into a kingdom but the Welsh decided to back some womans claim to Munster and invaded and off course we lost and i was left with only Connaught and Ulster.

Luckily through a useful manage one of my heirs inherited Brittany as well as my Irish lands and i had an army powerful enough to begin to take back my lands and create the Kingdom of Ireland.

Hopefully you'll eventually be able to bounce back in your game too.

It really adds a challenge how quickly things can get turned on their head. I am the first emperor of the Wendish emperor in my 50s have four daughters (who I married off well) and a son who is Duke of Estonia, he was married with two daughters. Everything seemed peachy until my son dropped dead and I didn't realise the next in line was my eldest daughters son but he's the heir to the Holy Roman Empire and not of my dynasty. I had to divorce my current wife who was too old to have more children and marry a teenager. I also started a plot to assinate my grandson and current heir.

It was fine anyway, the assination attempt was successful and one of my daughters became my new heir. I also had another two sons with my new wife. But my dead son was married to a princess of Denmark who I made Queen by pressing her claim in war because it would mean I would eventually inherit Denmark.

O well, my current wife is princess of Bohemia so when I get the chance I will press her claim.

Also, any idea what would happen, if my charachter died while my wife was pregnant, a daughter inherits but then if my wife gave birth to a son. Would the daughter remain queen or would the son take over. It's a very specific scenario but almost happened a few times.

Farcheal

Guyanachronism wrote: »

Also, any idea what would happen, if my charachter died while my wife was pregnant, a daughter inherits but then if my wife gave birth to a son. Would the daughter remain queen or would the son take over. It's a very specific scenario but almost happened a few times.

I'm pretty sure that the Queen would remain in place. Not sure if the Son would gain a strong claim, but its pretty likely. You can attempt to put Elective Succession in place to return the 'True King' to power whenever your Queen has died, if he is of your dynasty you will become him.

Elective Succession is a God-Send. I try to produce as many Genius/Quick trait children as I can, and then have my dynasty members do the same. I make the most promising child my Heir. It is pretty rare for me to have a King whose Son is a viable candidate for succession, I usually have to pick someone else from my Dynasty. I could put up a Family Tree as an Example if ya's like?

Guyanachronism

Farcheal wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that the Queen would remain in place. Not sure if the Son would gain a strong claim, but its pretty likely. You can attempt to put Elective Succession in place to return the 'True King' to power whenever your Queen has died, if he is of your dynasty you will become him.

Elective Succession is a God-Send. I try to produce as many Genius/Quick trait children as I can, and then have my dynasty members do the same. I make the most promising child my Heir. It is pretty rare for me to have a King whose Son is a viable candidate for succession, I usually have to pick someone else from my Dynasty. I could put up a Family Tree as an Example if ya's like?

Do you mean you actually give up control of the Empire/kingdom/Duchy in favour of a capable child? Or is there some way to chose who you play as when your current charachter dies? Also are you manipulating the voting somehow? I know if there is a tie my vote tips the balance but I don't know how I alone would be able to choose without a massive land grab and vassals tend to be fickle, it's hard to sway their votes.

I find all the succession laws too risky except from primogeniture. I will occasionally murder a son or make them bishops to ensure a good heir.

Krusader

anyone up for a mp session

Zapp Brannigan

75% off on Steam for the next 24 hours. Bargain.

Finally picked up the Old Gods. Can't wait for the GoT mod to incorporate some of the features.

danniemcq

Right, so bought this and the DLC in the sale the last day and started in Munster 1066 (most guides recommended this)

Few quick questions though.

1.
I had my (sorry for terrible terms btw) diplomacy guy in the neihbouring county for what was in game years and nothing. I know the rate was around 14% success but is that per year (14% chance this year, 14% chance next year) or do they add together?

There is no way just to decide to invade you have to have a reason right? (think i'm still in a civ v state of mind)

2.
Do i have to disband my troops to add the unraised soldiers to my army?

my stats for example for army is 700/120/900 or something. I can't raise those 120 any other way can i?

My army size, i've trained more troops using my military guy and the number goes up and i get messages mentioning the troops etc. however if i change him to look at the military tech

Sulla Felix

You should be able to choose an ambition to rule all of Ireland, that'll give you a cassus belli to invade anywhere in Ireland. You can't change that ambition however, and since you can get some nice boosts by fulfilling the other ambitions, best to wait until you're actually ready to fight before taking the claim.

danniemcq

Sulla Felix wrote: »

You should be able to choose an ambition to rule all of Ireland, that'll give you a cassus belli to invade anywhere in Ireland. You can't change that ambition however, and since you can get some nice boosts by fulfilling the other ambitions, best to wait until you're actually ready to fight before taking the claim.

ah i see, jeez i can see hundreds of hours being poured into this game, I had just about managed to take desmond and hold it properly (or so i thought) as i declared war in Galway...

Thats when the peasents revolted with an army 5 times mine, my panic made me click a lot and forget about the speed at which i had set the game.

It wasn't pretty

Guyanachronism

I tried playing a game with elective monarchy. I started as king of Sweden. It's an elective monarchy and I found that elective worked well and was really usful reassigning territory, keeping vassals happy and it wasn't difficult to ensure my dynasty remained in power. Also sucession was a much smoother process. I also realise now that whoever is elected as long as they're of your dynasty, will be your charachter when you die. I thought it would have to be your first born son like in primogeniture.

So that was all fine, until I started expanding, I first added the Kingdom of Finland after a long campaign against pagans, which was really costly because of the attrition rate due to the low supply number for armies in pagan lands and this was before holy orders was established. I became duke of Finland and divided power effectively so elections there weren't a problem. A few tactical marriages (and a few assinations) later I added Poland, Norway to the mix that's when things got really complicated. Poland was Gavelkind, Norway was elective but I had no territory in Norway and while I was currently a good king, he had outlived many of his children and was very old (for the middle ages) at this point, creating a bit of a mess in choosing his sucessor. I thought establishing the Empire of Scandinavia would make it a single election, anyway everything fell apart on sucession as Poland went to my new characters uncle who almost instantly delcared war on me for his claim to Scandinavia, Norway went for independence and Denmark which is de Jure part of Scandinavia but was still independent also attacked. I saved at that point and gave up for the night.

Elective seems like a really good idea for a single Kingdom, but turned into a complicated mess once I started adding other kingdoms. I am thinking that destroying titles of other kingdoms (Norway, Finland) could help, since it would then be a single election for Sweden/Scandinavia, but that will piss off a load of people and I am wondering how it will affect the voting. If I have 3 or 4 different elections going on as well as imperial elections, I can't see the empire lasting very long and in Scandinavia, except for Finland the countries are very balanced in terms of power.

Anyone else got an equally complicated experience of elective sucession? Or tips on how to deal with multiple elective kingdoms? I might just switch back to primogeniture, sucession crises always occure but at least it's simpler.

Krusader

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danniemcq

I'm not really sure how but ....

I just became King of Hungary...

Thats made things ummmmmm interesting

Farcheal

Guyanachronism wrote: »

I tried playing a game with elective monarchy. I started as king of Sweden. It's an elective monarchy and I found that elective worked well and was really usful reassigning territory, keeping vassals happy and it wasn't difficult to ensure my dynasty remained in power. Also sucession was a much smoother process. I also realise now that whoever is elected as long as they're of your dynasty, will be your charachter when you die. I thought it would have to be your first born son like in primogeniture.

So that was all fine, until I started expanding, I first added the Kingdom of Finland after a long campaign against pagans, which was really costly because of the attrition rate due to the low supply number for armies in pagan lands and this was before holy orders was established. I became duke of Finland and divided power effectively so elections there weren't a problem. A few tactical marriages (and a few assinations) later I added Poland, Norway to the mix that's when things got really complicated. Poland was Gavelkind, Norway was elective but I had no territory in Norway and while I was currently a good king, he had outlived many of his children and was very old (for the middle ages) at this point, creating a bit of a mess in choosing his sucessor. I thought establishing the Empire of Scandinavia would make it a single election, anyway everything fell apart on sucession as Poland went to my new characters uncle who almost instantly delcared war on me for his claim to Scandinavia, Norway went for independence and Denmark which is de Jure part of Scandinavia but was still independent also attacked. I saved at that point and gave up for the night.

Elective seems like a really good idea for a single Kingdom, but turned into a complicated mess once I started adding other kingdoms. I am thinking that destroying titles of other kingdoms (Norway, Finland) could help, since it would then be a single election for Sweden/Scandinavia, but that will piss off a load of people and I am wondering how it will affect the voting. If I have 3 or 4 different elections going on as well as imperial elections, I can't see the empire lasting very long and in Scandinavia, except for Finland the countries are very balanced in terms of power.

Anyone else got an equally complicated experience of elective sucession? Or tips on how to deal with multiple elective kingdoms? I might just switch back to primogeniture, sucession crises always occure but at least it's simpler.

Destroying the other Kingdom titles would seem to be the solution to this. Only the De Jure vassals of a Kingdom can vote for its successor, so for instance Norway voted for an independent candidate and your Swede vassals could not vote in this. Destroying the other Kingdom Titles means that your single title will still hold sway over all others as they will still be your vassals upon any sort of succession (given your chosen heir succeeds and there are no revolts etc.)

Sulla Felix wrote: »

You should be able to choose an ambition to rule all of Ireland, that'll give you a cassus belli to invade anywhere in Ireland. You can't change that ambition however, and since you can get some nice boosts by fulfilling the other ambitions, best to wait until you're actually ready to fight before taking the claim.

Even without this Ambition, through the regular means of claim forging and de jure expansion, whenever you form the Kingdom of Ireland the remaining independent lords should give in to your offers of Vassalisation (Judging by a recent enough experience that is)

Guyanachronism

Farcheal wrote: »

Destroying the other Kingdom titles would seem to be the solution to this. Only the De Jure vassals of a Kingdom can vote for its successor, so for instance Norway voted for an independent candidate and your Swede vassals could not vote in this. Destroying the other Kingdom Titles means that your single title will still hold sway over all others as they will still be your vassals upon any sort of succession (given your chosen heir succeeds and there are no revolts etc.)

I destroyed the titles towards the end of a very successful kings reign, it reduced the likelihood of revolt since he was very popular and the annoyance didn't transfer to his sucessor.

It has worked very well, I kept Sweden but everyone outside of de jure Sweden is part of the Scandinavian Empire. But there are still some short comings from the use of elective monarchy on a large scale. My reason for keeping Sweden was that hope that if I did lose an Imperial election I would still be the largest vassal as King of Sweden but it turns out it's harder to keep onto Sweden than Scandinavia. Sweden has a smaller group of more established electors, so I have to resort to underhanded tactics to eleminate serious rivals. I don't know if the territories outside of Sweden would be powerful enough to retake Sweden in the event of a civil war where I was leading the other regions of Scandinavia against Sweden. I keep my money over 1000 gold so I can recruit mercanries if the need arises. I am constantly expanding into Poland, Lithuania and Denmark. I appoint new vassals, usually close relations who I want to nominate as sucessor are first choice, but because their lands are outside of Sweden, they don't have a vote in that election but they do in the Scandinavian election.

If it looks like I am going to lose the election in Sweden, I might just destroy that title as well, I can always recreate it at a late date.

While I have a large dynasty, nominations are becoming erratic as by the time the king ascends to the throne, he is generally in his late 30s, married with kids. It means I have to divorce if I want a strategic marriage. They also seem to lack decent sons to nominate.

Elective monarchy reduces the length of an individuals reign as well, due to average age on coronation and constant threat of assination. I actually had three emperors in a row who were assinated. Makes me think of futurama when Fry accidentally become emperor of the desert world with the water people. Somewhere in my castle in uppland there is a hallway with portraits. There is me, then a space for my assasin then my assasins assasin.

I am now more powerful than most of the regional powers but not the holy roman empire. My current aim is to take the rest of Lithuania and Denmark, then start targeting Poland. Having to wait for peace treaties to expire really slows things down even if I am expanding in three directions. I might actually establish those kingdoms as electoral monarchies and not worry if I lose an election, but keep them as vassals. I am sure there will be independece revolts, but as long as De Jure Scandinavia holds together I will easily outnumber them.

For the first time I have participated in crusades and what a disaster, there is no co-ordination, even if there are enough christian armies in an area they don't co-ordinate and get picked off one by one by an enemy army that has fewer soliders overall but is more concentrated.

I really hope that I will get to take on the Holy Roman Empire and win before the end of the game. My big prize would be to take the Kingdom of Bohemia as a vassal.

Jelle1880

I got the Sword of Islam DLC, but that Decadence stuff annoys the hell out of me. What would be the easiest way of keeping it as low as possible ?

Reekwind

Go all Ottoman and imprison/kill your siblings and senior relations. Trimming the family tree is essential to keeping decadence manageable. The danger is that you can't kill your own children (without consequences, at least) so when you have a long-lived character then the sons and grandchildren rapidly multiply and cause problems.

It took me a while to warm to the Muslims but now I do enjoy playing them. It's a very different experience to that of the Christians: more focused on conquest and with much sharper succession struggles.

Guyanachronism

Has anyone been able to take on the mongols? It makes it almost impossible to play any eastern kingdom after they show up. They have so many advantages.

I was trying to incite revolts by killing the Khan but other places says the new leader arrives with another horde.

VinLieger

Just picked this up with the paradox humble bundle and having a read through this thread i am actually scared for what im in for, this game may be about to consume me. Any advice tutorials for someone new to paradox strategy games?

Blowfish

VinLieger wrote: »

Just picked this up with the paradox humble bundle and having a read through this thread i am actually scared for what im in for, this game may be about to consume me. Any advice tutorials for someone new to paradox strategy games?

Not sure on actual tutorials, but the usual recommendation for beginners is to play as one of the Irish Earls in Munster. You've basically no major threats at the start (England doesn't come into play until much later) and plenty of opportunity to expand.

One of the most basic approaches would be to manufacture a claim on one of the other Munster provinces while saving up until you've enough cash to hire some mercenaries and to pay them for 1-2 years. Enforce your claim and conquer the other province, form the Duchy of Munster to get a claim on the 3rd province and then conquer that. You can then just keep chipping away at the rest of the Earls and playing politics until you've enough territories to become King of Ireland. Once you've used that to take control of the entire island, you can slowly dismantle Scotland, England or even go further afield.

Tramps Like Us

Guys I've started as one of the Munster earls, united ireland, have a kinsman as king of Scotland and I'm a bit bored now, my goal was just to unite Ireland which I've done.... Can anyone suggest a character to start as with a bit more of a challenge?

I suppose I could go on and try to become emperor

Guyanachronism

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Guys I've started as one of the Munster earls, united ireland, have a kinsman as king of Scotland and I'm a bit bored now, my goal was just to unite Ireland which I've done.... Can anyone suggest a character to start as with a bit more of a challenge?

I suppose I could go on and try to become emperor

Keep expanding! I took great satisfaction of establishing Britannia with Limerick city as the capital. Although the fact it was called Britannia and the flag looked like the Welsh one was annoying. A bit more customisability would be nice, but I understand the game wants to be somewhat historically accurate.

There are plenty challenging options. The frontiers of christendom, play as one of the Spanish kingdoms, you have to watch out for your siblings who run the other states while also facing the infidels in Andalusia. I like playing as Poland, it's challenging, surrounded by larger powers and then the Mongols show up, but a lot of room for expansion into pagan territory.

Also you could start within an Empire and try to establish yourself as independent king, such as of Burgundy, Bavaria or Greece.

There are also some good DLCs like legacy of Rome where you can attempt to re-establish the Roman Empire starting as the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) and the trade republics DLC.

Tramps Like Us

Guyanachronism wrote: »

Keep expanding! I took great satisfaction of establishing Britannia with Limerick city as the capital. Although the fact it was called Britannia and the flag looked like the Welsh one was annoying. A bit more customisability would be nice, but I understand the game wants to be somewhat historically accurate.

There are plenty challenging options. The frontiers of christendom, play as one of the Spanish kingdoms, you have to watch out for your siblings who run the other states while also facing the infidels in Andalusia. I like playing as Poland, it's challenging, surrounded by larger powers and then the Mongols show up, but a lot of room for expansion into pagan territory.

Also you could start within an Empire and try to establish yourself as independent king, such as of Burgundy, Bavaria or Greece.

There are also some good DLCs like legacy of Rome where you can attempt to re-establish the Roman Empire starting as the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) and the trade republics DLC.

I think I have those DLCs... Roman one sounds good.

Yeah it sucks the way it is called Britannia, put me off a bit

Starting as a vassal and eventually becoming king of somewhere sounds cool

VinLieger

So took all of Ireland and established the kingdom of alba in place of scotland, however when i died my heir wasnt in line for the kingdom of alba thanks to a regency bug ****ing up my succession laws and me having to settle for youngest heir, i had just assumed the title would transfer to him instead of his elder brother, so everything i worked for the last 100 or so years for went to **** and my kingdom got split in 2, FML

Guyanachronism

Anyone got a sure fire way to get a claim on a neighbouring kingdom?

I control half of Poland, my half sister is in a matrilineal marriage to the king of Poland (it took a lot of murder) and has one son. I might be able to nominate him as my successor since he is of my dynasty, but if I can't get him into my realm, it will be difficult. He will also be considered a foreign culture making him unpopular. It's not the first time I've got my dynasty on the throne of Poland, but it never lasts even when I prop them up by intervening in every conflict and rebellion.

Sometimes you would need to consult an expert on medieval inheritance law to know what's going to happen.

Otherwise, I've ended up controlling Andalusia after a crusade, a nice distraction, great to be able to easily pick up new territory to give to sons and such. Andalusia is primogeniture but I will change it to electoral if I can but I won't worry as much about holding onto the title.

Reekwind

Guyanachronism wrote: »

Anyone got a sure fire way to get a claim on a neighbouring kingdom?

Marry a daughter of the king. On his death she'll receive a claim (possibly only a weak one and depending on the line of succession) and you can go to war to enforce this. Once she is queen then your child will stand to inherit both kingdoms

On the culture, that is the big risk when looking to inherit titles. It's particularly annoying given that a monarch with a different culture will mean that your culture specific province improvements will be demolished. If your heir returns to your court while still a child then you can use guardians to try and change his culture back

AllthingsCP

Have no Direct Vessels, Only Mayors and Bishops. I know your holding will be too large making your Direst vassal unhappy which you have none lol. In times of war arrest and banish Mayors not bishops to amass wealth quickly replace them with others. You will control and pay for your Army's, but you will have no Vassals rising up to overthrow you overall saving money. I started as King of Munster a friend started as King of Wales. Conquer Brittany,England, France, Scotland Half of Northern Spain Aquitaine. I handed Ireland over to my friend as reward for his help with England and Brittany will be handed over to me to form the Empire of France. Our really biggest rival now is the Holy Roman Empire with maybe 120,000 troops against our 80.000 troops.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198095467281/screenshots/?appid=203770

Im Blue Friend is Red.











France is a new Kingdom, I press all claims so right now its a mess with small forces fighting that will be defeated. My friend is in the process of Taking Ireland, And my King is just after inheriting the throne from his better brother that was killed by the Holy Roman Empire. Once France is consolidated Im taking Spain i will be sending 10,000 troops to help my Friend in Norway as i have the larger army. Gaining England was lucky we had 9.000 troops against 26.000 troops but their was 4 kings fighting for it we gained a quick victory and revoked all titles apart from Mayor and Bishops. We banish to fund the war in France and Scotland replace with loyalist to the throne.

So started as King of Munster, Then King of England Ireland, Now King of England France a small Kingdom in Spain

ZeroThreat

In case anyone's still interested in this game, there's a -75% steam sale on the basic game plus most of the DLC (minus the recent Sons of Abraham and latest Indian expansion packs), to run till about 6pm tomorrow.

AllthingsCP

Cheers, Maybe ill pick up and do give away

Krusader

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kowloon

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Krusader

kowloon wrote: »

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AllthingsCP

Lastest patch on this has made joining online games so easy no need for Hamachi anymore. As Long as the game is registered on the website forum you can just matchmake, Been playing this for two days now only online.

ZeroThreat

Krusader wrote: »

http://www.nuuvem.com.br/produto/1873-crusader-kings-ii-rajas-of-india

I think the version on sale there is for Mac?

VinLieger

And ive fallen back down this rabbit hole, was watching a couple of long lets plays and decided it was time for another attempt at having Ireland control as much of europe as possible.

Kinda regretting not picking up all the dlc during the steam sale as it seems everything thats been added makes it a very different beast but ill deffinitely be getting it all next time

ionapaul

Have owned this for over a year, have even installed it (rarely do this unless I'm starting the game in the coming few days) but have yet to boot it up - looks like so much fun, but hard to get into!

Guyanachronism

VinLieger wrote: »

And ive fallen back down this rabbit hole, was watching a couple of long lets plays and decided it was time for another attempt at having Ireland control as much of europe as possible.

Kinda regretting not picking up all the dlc during the steam sale as it seems everything thats been added makes it a very different beast but ill deffinitely be getting it all next time

I am going to pick this up again soon. I really want to try the mods that I've seen such as the Game of Thrones mod and the Lord of the Rings mods.

CKII engine is ideal for GoT, with all the back stabbing and family politics.

While the LotR mod, is just crazy, it looks good because it's so ridiculous, the video I watched had Sauron assassinate Sam and Frodo retaliated by trying to assassinate Sauron. Also the ridiculous marriages between the factions.

CruelCoin

Guyanachronism wrote: »

CKII engine is ideal for GoT, with all the back stabbing and family politics.

The game of thrones mod is very good.

Somehow managed to marry Tyrion to Daenarys, then imprisoned and executed Cersei. Made me happier than it really should have done.....