Do we ignore animal cruelty to suit us?

Oranage2 · 13-10-2011 9:39am #1

As the question asks, we have no problem ringing the Gardai when a dog or cat is being mistreated but what about other animals?

Pet fish for example - gold fish grow big and keeping them in small bowl stunts their growth. Also keep a dog in a cage theirs uproar but keep a foot long fish in a 2 footlong tank is ok?

Pet birds - usually left in a small cages

Also live stock - Does anybody know how they go from eating grass the being accompied by chips?

Warning pretty brutal

Mod note, this is actually very graphic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4

So as humans do we really care enough for animals?

Fighting Irish · 13-10-2011 9:40am

It's OK to be cruel to any animal we eat

KeithAFC · 13-10-2011 9:40am

Of course people do. People seem to think slaughter houses are nice places and the animals are killed in a humane way. A lot of them aren't.

Breadcrusts · 13-10-2011 9:46am

Oranage2 wrote: »

So as humans do we really care enough for animals?

Short answer, no.

Daroxtar · 13-10-2011 9:49am

Of course we care for them. Sure don't we tender cure pigs?

Dravokivich · 13-10-2011 9:50am

How else are you meant to kill the cows, hug'em to death?

FFS!

FatherLen · 13-10-2011 9:53am

i love animals

they taste great.

Oranage2 · 13-10-2011 9:54am

Dravokivich wrote: »

How else are you meant to kill the cows, hug'em to death?

FFS!

Ah sure put a hole in their skull and cork screw out the brain is the only way I suppose...

orourkeda · 13-10-2011 9:55am

If big juicy steaks are the result of animal cruety then cool

hondasam · 13-10-2011 9:55am

I stopped watching it is horrible and cruel. Why does it have to be like this?

hondasam · 13-10-2011 9:57am

orourkeda wrote: »

If big juicy steaks are the result of animal cruety then cool

I just want to get sick watching that. I could not think of food.
I'm not a big meat eater. That video is shocking.

krudler · 13-10-2011 9:59am

you dont win friends with salad

Horsebox9000 · 13-10-2011 10:00am

If being nice to animals means me losing out on my fry after a night on the lash then codswollop to that.

Maybe some people also don't care for Fish since they don't seem to show any emotion.

The reason why Cats and Dogs have more of an uproar is because many people(including myself) would see that animal as a member of their family and more than just a pet.

So, no one cares about animals we eat. I sure as hell don't give 2 flying sods about the lads down in the local trough.

Fozzydog3 · 13-10-2011 10:02am

Any good websites to watch No Country For Old Men ?

Beruthiel · 13-10-2011 10:03am

Meat is murder, tasty, tasty murder.

AeoNGriM · 13-10-2011 10:07am

I'm 6ft 3, weigh about 17 stone, built like a brick ****house - basically about as manly as they come and I will freely admit that animal cruelty, or seeing animals being slaughtered/in distress reduces me to a gigantic, blubbering vagina.

How the hell can any person with any sense of decency do a job like this? How do they not have huge emotional problems, alcohol and drug addictions?

I realise that it's somewhat of a necessity, but fcuk that. It's barbaric, cruel and inhumane.

CardBordWindow · 13-10-2011 10:08am

So.....if we started eating more dog and cat, we wouldn't mind them being put down as much?

FatherLen · 13-10-2011 10:10am

Fozzydog3 wrote: »

Any good websites to watch No Country For Old Men ?

really? you thought that this thread was the best possible place to ask for this?

Oranage2 · 13-10-2011 10:17am

CardBordWindow wrote: »

So.....if we started eating more dog and cat, we wouldn't mind them being put down as much?

No, about treating other animals ith a bit more respect.

- If this was about puppies being throw in a river everybody would be up in arms looking for that person to be thrown in prison -

When it comes to a pig nobody cares.

Fozzydog3 · 13-10-2011 10:19am

FatherLen wrote: »

really? you thought that this thread was the best possible place to ask for this?

I just suddenly felt in the mood for it

razorblunt · 13-10-2011 10:22am

FatherLen wrote: »

really? you thought that this thread was the best possible place to ask for this?

whooosh!

fryup · 13-10-2011 10:23am

depends on how cute the animal is,

so when it comes to livestock no gives a hoot

It wasn't me! · 13-10-2011 10:43am

Killing is bloody and messy. Humane killing is particularly messy, since the idea is to do enough damage quickly enough that death is as close to instantaneous as possible. Some of us can deal with that, and it doesn't mean we have problems or are going to develop them.

fatherted1969 · 13-10-2011 11:15am

Oranage2 wrote: »

As the question asks, we have no problem ringing the Gardai when a dog or cat is being mistreated but what about other animals?

Pet fish for example - gold fish grow big and keeping them in small bowl stunts their growth. Also keep a dog in a cage theirs uproar but keep a foot long fish in a 2 footlong tank is ok?

Pet birds - usually left in a small cages

Also live stock - Does anybody know how they go from eating grass the being accompied by chips?

Warning pretty brutal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4

So as humans do we really care enough for animals?

I worked in several meat factories over the last 20 year's and by far the most cruel thing i've ever seen was the halal butchering that went on from time to time. With halal the animal has to bleed to death from the throat being cut but as they were on a moving line the process of work had well started on them while they were still alive. By far the cruelest thing i've ever seen done to an animal. I worked in the boning halls for all those years. I could never understand how anyone could work in those abatoirs

redzerologhlen · 13-10-2011 11:26am

fatherted1969 wrote: »

I worked in several meat factories over the last 20 year's and by far the most cruel thing i've ever seen was the halal butchering that went on from time to time. With halal the animal has to bleed to death from the throat being cut but as they were on a moving line the process of work had well started on them while they were still alive. By far the cruelest thing i've ever seen done to an animal. I worked in the boning halls for all those years. I could never understand how anyone could work in those abatoirs

Sounds rough enough now alright in fairness!! I dont think there is a more humane way of killing them really then whats shown in the video. The kicking is just the nerves twitching when they are dead.

Scanlas The 2nd · 13-10-2011 11:35am

I wonder if Hitler got any of his ideas from slaughter houses.

Just say they are inferior or some other justification so therefore their suffering doesn't count and try not to let the general public see the actual suffering. People won't care then.

It wasn't me! · 13-10-2011 11:40am

This is like the stands and protests you see around universities. "Would you kill this?" next to pictures of big, watery eyed cattle or idyllic pastoral scenes of fowl or sheep. I get it. I don't like it, but most people have never had to see where their meat comes from and don't have the stomach for it. I personally think that's pretty sad and it's certainly not a trend I like to see, and so I sympathise with the protestors in the sense that I agree most people have no understanding of how meat gets to their plate, but while they understand (Albeit often poorly informed and dazed by blood and gore to the extent they miss some of the reality) I understand, I see it and I will indeed still eat meat, or kill and prepare it for that matter.

mikemac · 13-10-2011 11:45am

If Larry Goodman sees this thread he'll be complaining the admins

We have good standards in Ireland, some of the best
For something else OP you should check out what goes on in the likes of Nebraska and Colorado. Huge feedlots and the cattle never see a blade of grass in their lives. Pumped full of hormones and fed on grain. Sometimes even animal offal is feed to them

If you ever watched the George Clooney film Up in the Air, they don't say anything about the cattle industry but you can see aerial pictures of the slurry lagoons in Nebraska

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Food_Nation
Fast Food Nation, superb book

The film is awful, get the book, not the film

ScumLord · 13-10-2011 11:46am

KeithAFC wrote: »

People seem to think slaughter houses are nice places and the animals are killed in a humane way. A lot of them aren't.

Their all killed the same way, it's a production line and there's no variety in production lines. It is the nicest way an animal can be killed, compared to other predators we're damned nice to our prey.

hondasam wrote: »

I stopped watching it is horrible and cruel. Why does it have to be like this?

I can't watch the video yet but I'm assuming it's a worst case scenario from a foreign country.

I do think all animals should be killed through inert gas, it's painless.

stevenmu · 13-10-2011 12:09pm

hondasam wrote: »

I stopped watching it is horrible and cruel. Why does it have to be like this?

The alternative is that we all go out and hunt and kill our own food. While that might be more natural, it's horribly ineffiecient, we'd end up killing far more animals than we use, and most animals would die a much slower and mroe painful death.

stevenmu · 13-10-2011 12:10pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I do think all animals should be killed through inert gas, it's painless.

To me suffocation sounds like the most horrible terrifying way to die possible, I wouldn't want to put something else through that.

ScumLord · 13-10-2011 12:14pm

stevenmu wrote: »

To me suffocation sounds like the most horrible terrifying way to die possible, I wouldn't want to put something else through that.

It's not suffocation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation

hondasam · 13-10-2011 12:22pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Their all killed the same way, it's a production line and there's no variety in production lines. It is the nicest way an animal can be killed, compared to other predators we're damned nice to our prey.

I can't watch the video yet but I'm assuming it's a worst case scenario from a foreign country.

I do think all animals should be killed through inert gas, it's painless.

stevenmu wrote: »

The alternative is that we all go out and hunt and kill our own food. While that might be more natural, it's horribly ineffiecient, we'd end up killing far more animals than we use, and most animals would die a much slower and mroe painful death.

The first part of the video was fine but near the end was awful. The animals were still alive.

Seachmall · 13-10-2011 12:26pm

hondasam wrote: »

The first part of the video was fine but near the end was awful. The animals were still alive.

Were they? They were moving but that doesn't mean they were alive. Most likely they were dead and there muscles were in spasm.

It's a shocking visual but it's probable the animal felt nothing.

It wasn't me! · 13-10-2011 12:30pm

Using a captive bolt to the front of the skull is easy for someone to do, which is why it's the routine. More useful and humane would be a strong, sharp knife to the atlas joint but it takes a steady hand and an understanding of what you're trying to achieve. Like I said earlier, death is messy. You can either get the blood on your own hands or accept that there are going to be compromises to efficacy in the interests of efficiency. At least if there's suffering when you're doing it, you can deal with the responsibility yourself.

tenchi-fan · 13-10-2011 12:30pm

Note to the op:

wikipedia wrote:

Today, pithing is not practiced on animals intended for the human food supply because it may lead to the spread of fragments of neural matter through the carcass, but this method is encouraged for animals in emergency or disease control situations where the meat will not be consumed. USA regulations are currently in place disallowing importation of beef from cows which have been killed in this manner, due to risk of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, or "mad cow") disease. The European Union has also banned the practice on animals intended for human consumption.

OwlsZat · 13-10-2011 12:31pm

Its the minority of people that are cruel to animals, its also the minorty that like to tar us with the cruel to animals brush asking directly "are we cruel to animals?" Yes proportions of the human race are cruel to animals. There is also a large proportion of people cruel to other people.

listermint · 13-10-2011 12:32pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

No, about treating other animals ith a bit more respect.

- If this was about puppies being throw in a river everybody would be up in arms looking for that person to be thrown in prison -

When it comes to a pig nobody cares.

We breed these animals for slaughter, They are bred to be eaten and used in food and many of the products you have right now in your bathroom / under your sink.

I think youd change your attitude quick smart if you lost all of the stuff in your home that is manufactured from animal products.

As said above, They are generally shocked with high voltage to the head for stun and then throat is slit quickly.

stevenmu · 13-10-2011 12:35pm

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not suffocation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation

Actually that doesn't sound too bad at all, I'd forgotten it was the CO2 that made suffocation so bad.

--Kaiser-- · 13-10-2011 12:35pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Their all killed the same way, it's a production line and there's no variety in production lines. It is the nicest way an animal can be killed, compared to other predators we're damned nice to our prey.

A point missed by many with airy ideals about the treatment of animals. Many predators will happily gorge on an animals guts while it's still alive. Cows (in Ireland, at least) live a luxurious life compared to many wild animals

lemd · 13-10-2011 12:50pm

stevenmu wrote: »

Actually that doesn't sound too bad at all, I'd forgotten it was the CO2 that made suffocation so bad.

I watched an episode of Horizon recently "How to kill a Human Being" which had mention of this as not just painless but actually a pleasant method of death. The programme was about execution but the nitrogen was being tested on pigs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/executions/

hondasam · 13-10-2011 1:03pm

Seachmall wrote: »

Were they? They were moving but that doesn't mean they were alive. Most likely they were dead and there muscles were in spasm.

It's a shocking visual but it's probable the animal felt nothing.

I know they were probably dead but it was horrible. I stopped watching so don't know what the end was like.

ScumLord · 13-10-2011 1:05pm

hondasam wrote: »

I know they were probably dead but it was horrible. I stopped watching so don't know what the end was like.

they all became happily ever after meals.

deisedave · 13-10-2011 1:11pm

AeoNGriM wrote: »

I'm 6ft 3, weigh about 17 stone, built like a brick ****house - basically about as manly as they come and I will freely admit that animal cruelty, or seeing animals being slaughtered/in distress reduces me to a gigantic, blubbering vagina.

How the hell can any person with any sense of decency do a job like this? How do they not have huge emotional problems, alcohol and drug addictions?

I realise that it's somewhat of a necessity, but fcuk that. It's barbaric, cruel and inhumane.

No one cares how built or tall you are how is that relevant in this thread.

moonboy52 · 13-10-2011 1:16pm

Humans are cruel. Period!

We forget that we are animals just like the animals we are cruel to.

We are cruel to our species too, so that to me is also cruelty to animals.

Watch a movie called Earthlings people.

mconigol · 13-10-2011 1:19pm

Necessary part of life unfortunately. Like most things in life however I'm sure we could do it better.

Although Irish livestock generally have a pretty good life for 99% of it anyway.

moonboy52 · 13-10-2011 1:21pm

mconigol wrote: »

Necessary part of life unfortunately. Like most things in life however I'm sure we could do it better.

Although Irish livestock generally have a pretty good life for 99% of it anyway.

I am a meat-eater too, so by definition a hypocrite on this subject.

But lets not paint a rosy picture about it.

LeeHoffmann · 13-10-2011 1:22pm

No one cares how built or tall you are how is that relevant in this thread.

because if he's a big tall man you won't think he's a vagina if he admits to crying

Logical Fallacy · 13-10-2011 1:22pm

deisedave wrote: »

No one cares how built or tall you are how is that relevant in this thread.

It depends i suppose.

Did he get that built eating string beans and tofu.

Or steak and chicken.

My money is on the meat.

LeeHoffmann · 13-10-2011 1:22pm

Necessary part of life unfortunately.

why is it necessary?

Temptamperu · 13-10-2011 1:23pm

That video is horrible. But we need to eat, we could be more humane though.

Do we ignore animal cruelty to suit us?

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