Occupy Galway Group (mod note added)

padraig91

inisboffin wrote: »

Why are people being so 'separate' about the Galway protesters? Do people feel we are separate from the rest of Ireland? Separate from the other Occupy camps? The Dublin one (for one) has plenty of local business and 'working people' support.

Valid points are valid points, but as to it being an 'eyesore'? Come on! Really? It's quite compact and clean. Anytime I have walked by it's very tidy and someone standing beside it one day said "where are all those tents people some people are giving out about" - they didn't even notice it! I'd say the pallets are there for weather protection.

It might be neat and tidy but it still is a bunch of pallets some tents and a big tent that is made from random bits of plastic sitting in the square and i consider that an eyesore. and i find it hard to believe that anyone who was standing beside it did not notice it unless there were some naked super models walking down the street at the same time

padraig91

biko wrote: »

padraig91 was already banned from thread. Now very long ban.
the realpigiron, no need to insult him.

sorry about that but please look at post #1047

antoobrien

inisboffin wrote: »

someone standing beside it one day said "where are all those tents people some people are giving out about" - they didn't even notice it!

That would be seem to indicate that they have failed to get any kind of support beyond the initial burst of curiosity.

biko

Since some posters that only was threadbanned could help but posting again in thread I'm removing that. Seems the experiment didn't work.
From now on only real bans will be handed out.

the realpigiron

biko wrote: »

padraig91 was already banned from thread. Now very long ban.
the realpigiron, no need to insult him.

Fair enough I've modified the comment in question.

inisboffin

antoobrien wrote: »

inisboffin wrote: »

someone standing beside it one day said "where are all those tents people some people are giving out about" - they didn't even notice it!

That would be seem to indicate that they have failed to get any kind of support beyond the initial burst of curiosity.

Not sure what you mean? The person was a tourist and apparently had heard from someone on the train about the whole Occupy in Galway and how some people thought it was great and some people hated 'it' because of the 'mess' in Eyre Sq. She was standing right by that 'mess' when she said it. I told her to go in and talk to them and make up her own mnd.

antoobrien

inisboffin wrote: »

Not sure what you mean? The person was a tourist and apparently had heard from someone on the train about the whole Occupy in Galway and how some people thought it was great and some people hated 'it' because of the 'mess' in Eyre Sq. She was standing right by that 'mess' when she said it. I told her to go in and talk to them and make up her own mnd.

It can't be all that effective if someone standing beside it doesn't notice it.

Are they still in denial about the fact that in 2011 we had a massive current deficit which made the actual payments to the banks (capital expenditure) look insignificant?

Mrs OBumble

the realpigiron wrote: »

They have a right to set up a protest. The inequity of the current financial climate calls for protest from ordinary decent citizens. The Occupy movement is getting some empathetic support from the public at large. If the authorities were to become heavy handed in their approach, they'd have a bigger problem to deal with believe you me.

Sure they have a right to protest.

Travellers have got some things they have a right to protest about too.

But that doesn't mean either of them have a right to set up two buildings (the big marquee had wooden walls added to it over Christmas, it can no longer be called a tent), a bunch of tents and a stockage in a public place, without planning permission.

inisboffin

JustMary wrote: »

Sure they have a right to protest.

Travellers have got some things they have a right to protest about too.

But that doesn't mean either of them have a right to set up two buildings (the big marquee had wooden walls added to it over Christmas, it can no longer be called a tent), a bunch of tents and a stockage in a public place, without planning permission.

Is it the wooden part that makes it illegal/needing planning? Does that mean that the tents are legal? I don't know the legalities, I thought it was something like 'impermanent structures' had different rules to 'fixed ones' but honestly don't know the diff.

Sponge Bob

JustMary wrote: »

Sure they have a right to protest.

But that doesn't mean either of them have a right to set up two buildings (the big marquee had wooden walls added to it over Christmas, it can no longer be called a tent), a bunch of tents and a stockage in a public place, without planning permission.

Mary. I refer you to this post of mine and commend only that you wait till the current tempestous weather abates before you takes to the streets of Galway.

antoobrien

JustMary wrote: »

But that doesn't mean either of them have a right to set up two buildings (the big marquee had wooden walls added to it over Christmas, it can no longer be called a tent), a bunch of tents and a stockage in a public place, without planning permission.

AFAIK the city council haven't licensed Eyre Square as a camp site.

If that were true the the camp in acting as an unlicensed camp is illegal.

eire.man

ok, hi all, i'm back after being banned again for 7 days for posting in this thread so i'll keep this short and sweet, i'm back down at camp again, doing some security work for the occupy camp after a short lived xmas job, it actually suits me only getting to read the replies here once a week when the ban lifts, its pretty pathetic there are still some in town so bitter and miserable they're relentless in their pursuit to belittle the camp!! to read that one keyboard warrior is even recommending waiting until the weather gets better b4 physically protesting against the camp in eyre square says it all really!!

looking forward to seeing ye down to have a debate with us as soon as its warm enough for you to tear yourselves away from behind your little laptops

Head The Wall

Have ye as a group any new points to bring to the debate or some further info on what it is ye are trying to achieve?

eire.man

Head The Wall wrote: »

Have ye as a group any new points to bring to the debate or some further info on what it is ye are trying to achieve?

in my own personal opinion we are actually there to encourage/enable a wider scaled debate amongst the 99% in whatever town/city/wherever there is an occupy movement.

without more full or even part-time participation with the general public (you, you, you and you down the back i'm talking to you too) this movement is definitely going nowhere, corruption will live on in the knowledge there will never be a challenge against it if nothig becomes of these occupations!! we need numbers, we need fresh faces, most down at camp are exhausted as much as they're enthusiastic to keep this going in the hope a sudden awakening happens and we see some serious support to try move this to the next level. (who can blame them really, its been a long/tough 11/12 weeks down the camp for one reason or another)

what's the next level i hear you ask?

if you actually give a **** then i recommend you join one of the many protest groups doing the rounds right now from the anti-household-charge crowd to anti-eviction people to your local occupiers, there really are plenty of worthy causes to get behind to stand up and be counted against the man,

the time has mever been riper for everyone to join forces more than in the last general election when we all wiped the floor with (dare i even say the words?!?) fianna fail!!

what is irelands breaking point??

WE NEED YOUR HELP COS WITHOUT 100's OR "HEAVEN FORBID" 1000's

without ye were just 15 people frezzing and soaking for nothing in eyre sq FFS!!!

*apolagies Biko

Doc Ruby

eire.man wrote: »

in my own personal opinion we are actually there to encourage/enable a wider scaled debate amongst the 99% in whatever town/city/wherever there is an occupy movement.

without more full or even part-time participation with the general public (you, you, you and you down the back i'm talking to you too) this movement is definitely going nowhere, corruption will live on in the knowledge there will never be a challenge against it if nothig becomes of these occupations!! we need numbers, we need fresh faces, most down at camp are exhausted as much as they're enthusiastic to keep this going in the hope a sudden awakening happens and we see some serious support to try move this to the next level. (who can blame them really, its been a long/tough 11/12 weeks down the camp for one reason or another)

what's the next level i hear you ask?

if you actually give a **** then i recommend you join one of the many protest groups doing the rounds right now from the anti-household-charge crowd to anti-eviction people to your local occupiers, there really are plenty of worthy causes to get behind to stand up and be counted against the man,

the time has mever been riper for everyone to join forces more than in the last general election when we all wiped the floor with (dare i even say the words?!?) fianna fail!!

what is irelands breaking point??

WE NEED YOUR HELP COS WITHOUT 100's OR "HEAVEN FORBID" 1000's

without ye were just 15 people frezzing and soaking for nothing in eyre sq FFS!!!

*apolagies Biko

Have you or any of your compatriots any connection to the socialist workers party, the ULA, IRA, Sinn Fein or other communist fringe groups?

eire.man

Doc Ruby wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

in my own personal opinion we are actually there to encourage/enable a wider scaled debate amongst the 99% in whatever town/city/wherever there is an occupy movement.

without more full or even part-time participation with the general public (you, you, you and you down the back i'm talking to you too) this movement is definitely going nowhere, corruption will live on in the knowledge there will never be a challenge against it if nothig becomes of these occupations!! we need numbers, we need fresh faces, most down at camp are exhausted as much as they're enthusiastic to keep this going in the hope a sudden awakening happens and we see some serious support to try move this to the next level. (who can blame them really, its been a long/tough 11/12 weeks down the camp for one reason or another)

what's the next level i hear you ask?

if you actually give a **** then i recommend you join one of the many protest groups doing the rounds right now from the anti-household-charge crowd to anti-eviction people to your local occupiers, there really are plenty of worthy causes to get behind to stand up and be counted against the man,

the time has mever been riper for everyone to join forces more than in the last general election when we all wiped the floor with (dare i even say the words?!?) fianna fail!!

what is irelands breaking point??

WE NEED YOUR HELP COS WITHOUT 100's OR "HEAVEN FORBID" 1000's

without ye were just 15 people frezzing and soaking for nothing in eyre sq FFS!!!

*apolagies Biko

Have you or any of your compatriots any connection to the socialist workers party, the ULA, IRA, Sinn Fein or other communist fringe groups?

no but we are aligning with other groups as the wait for like minded people that have the time like ourselves but they've not really arrived

what are we supposed to do?

the writing is on the wall for everyone to see the levels of blatant corruption and protection of false entitlements being held onto while the people on the ground are the only ones really suffering!!

yet...

thesandeman

Can everyone stop quoting the previous post when they are the next person to reply! Its making the thread nearly impossible to follow on mobile.

Doc Ruby

eire.man wrote: »

no but we are aligning with other groups as the wait for like minded people that have the time like ourselves but they've not really arrived

How do you mean and what other groups specifically?

antoobrien

eire.man wrote: »

in my own personal opinion we are actually there to encourage/enable a wider scaled debate amongst the 99% in whatever town/city/wherever there is an occupy movement.

Okay, lets have a debate on the facts of the matter.

I'll start with this question (again, since I didn't get an answer to yesterdays one) are the camp still in denial about the fact that in 2011 we had a massive current deficit which made the actual payments to the banks (capital expenditure) look insignificant?

Can any occupier tell me how much we spent on the banks last year (I know the real figure btw)?

c_man

eire.man wrote: »

looking forward to seeing ye down to have a debate with us as soon as its warm enough for you to tear yourselves away from behind your little laptops

So the OG arguments don't stand up to scrutiny in a written medium?

eire.man

antoobrien wrote: »

Okay, lets have a debate on the facts of the matter

Can any occupier tell me how much we spent on the banks last year (I know the real figure btw)?

so your plan is to ask people questions to which you already have the answer,

we dont need anymore chats online, down the camp or nothing

eire.man

Doc Ruby wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

no but we are aligning with other groups as the wait for like minded people that have the time like ourselves but they've not really arrived

How do you mean and what other groups specifically?

i mean we absolutely have to join other groups in a show of solidarity as the public are happy to be continually squeezed and not do anything about it. we were kind of hoping at this stage there may have been a hundred people at least down there on a daily basis, all the people that are suffering in Galway and 12 people is all that have the time to be down at camp (says a lot!!)

12 weeks in and although the levels of support from the public has been great the original founders of galways occupy are now shattered

and b4 anyone asks how well then please call down and see for yourself, im not looking for people who're working, have commitments etc but there are plenty with time on their hands like me and the camp,

benjydagg

#occupy don't represent the common decent citizen who goes to work, pays taxes, and props up the social services for those that prefer not to work.
If anarchy is the only answer, then god help us all. Ireland can and will get out of this economic turmoil.
We have vast natural resources, grass, peat, and forestry. We just need to teach our kids that collecting dole is not a career..

Doc Ruby

Genuinely not badgering here, I'm curious.

eire.man wrote: »

i mean we absolutely have to join other groups in a show of solidarity

Are you actively soliciting assistance from the ULA, SWP, Sinn Fein, IRA, have you been in contact with them and do you expect to be in contact with them in future?

zarquon

eire.man wrote: »

we dont need anymore chats online, down the camp or nothing

No offense, but more people are going to read this online discussion than are going to visit the camp! To ignore such an outlet for discussion is foolish. Would you tell a journalist, "no more articles, down the camp or nothing" Honestly what goes on within the walls of the camp is pointless. It's the information being propogated to the masses from the camp that should be your concern as quite simply the masses will not visit you personally.

biko

Doc Ruby, why are you including IRA? Do you seriously think Occupy Galway will want their help?

antoobrien

eire.man wrote: »

so your plan is to ask people questions to which you already have the answer,

we dont need anymore chats online, down the camp or nothing

The fact that I know the answer isn't important.

What is important is to see how many people actually know what the answer is, otherwise decisions on what we should be protesting about are being made with the wrong information.

Let me tell you right now we had a total deficit of €21 billion last year. Of that the banks spending (paid for by loans which we haven't started paying back yet) was €6.8 billion.

That means leaving the banks aside, in 2011 we spent €14.2 billion more that we took in.

To put that in context, we got in €13.798 billion in income tax & usc payments (the biggest singe contributor out of a take of €34.027 billion). To contrast that, we spent a total of €13.427 billion on the dept of SW & €12.83 billion on the dept of health out of a total €46.151 billion in "normal" spending.

So, do you still think it's unimportant to be ignorant of the real problems?

Irishgoatman

eire.man wrote: »

so your plan is to ask people questions to which you already have the answer,

we dont need anymore chats online, down the camp or nothing

We must remember that this is just one persons feelings.

I'm sure there will be others from the camp who are quite happy to continue with an online discussion as long as that is what it is, not just a name calling exercise.

Doc Ruby

biko wrote: »

Doc Ruby, why are you including IRA? Do you seriously think Occupy Galway will want their help?

Of course not, although Sinn Fein are the political wing of the IRA, but I wouldn't mind a straight answer. If eire.man doesn't want to answer, my curiousity isn't particularly pressing.

Irishgoatman

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Of course not, although Sinn Fein are the political wing of the IRA, but I wouldn't mind a straight answer. If eire.man doesn't want to answer, my curiousity isn't particularly pressing.

Why do some people assume that protesters must automatically be part of a fringe or left wing group?.

If I were to protest about something would that make me left wing or "fringe"?.

My Daughter, who is part of the camp, would find this idea hilarious .

Would you be happy if we added "ridge" to your name?.