Occupy Galway Group (mod note added)

Hello world

prech101 wrote: »

were is your evidence for this statement.

probably contra to your image of me, I am not sitting around a fire with my laptop singing "Give peace a chance" and smoking a bong.
people who disagree with my views/beliefs seem to try and put everybody into a little box to make their arguments more conniving to themselves. Why??

I do work so my whole day is not focused on boards.ie(well not all of it!!:) )
i have no probs debating any issues, in case you haven't guessed i'm all for free speech, and especially to those I do not agree with.

perhaps this is a good question to ask yourself. How open are you to new ideas/methods or do you find you are pre programmed to think a certain way.

How about u give us evidence for anything u have said? This fabled law perhaps? this idea you have that apple is responsible for how Foxconn treats its employees?

antoobrien

Eman Resu wrote: »

all corporations are pretty nasty pieces of work.

but google's motto is "don't be evil":(

prech101

Apple never pays dividend

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dividendchannel/2012/01/09/technology-dividends-to-look-forward-to-in-2012/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCqSEpGBF4

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2011/03/15/sec-disclosure-and-corporate-governance-financial-reporting-challenges-for-2011/

Eman Resu

c-man "evil" governments tend to be taken down either by revolution (Lybia) or external states (axis v allies in WWII) a corporation can kill people (Bhopal) or wreck the environment (BP in the gulf) and what happens them? They get fined, they spend a fortune on PR/Marketing and they continue to trade?

antoo I believed google too until they started censoring search results from china just cos they wanted to expand their business.

c_man

Eman Resu wrote: »

c-man "evil" governments tend to be taken down either by revolution (Lybia) or external states (axis v allies in WWII) a corporation can kill people (Bhopal) or wreck the environment (BP in the gulf) and what happens them? They get fined, they spend a fortune on PR/Marketing and they continue to trade?

Hold on, you're getting away from your original statement.
- All corporations are evil because of [cite evil act]
Therefore, all governments are evil because of [cite evil act]

Where's the gap in applying your logic? Could it be the case that using isolated incidents to tarnish an entire sector/grouping is complete nonsense?

Hello world

prech101 wrote: »

Apple never pays dividend

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dividendchannel/2012/01/09/technology-dividends-to-look-forward-to-in-2012/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCqSEpGBF4

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2011/03/15/sec-disclosure-and-corporate-governance-financial-reporting-challenges-for-2011/

No one was arguing if they had paid or not, and ur first link says they are going to pay so...what's ur point?

antoobrien

Eman Resu wrote: »

antoo I believed google too until they started censoring search results from china just cos they wanted to expand their business.

:pac: but they gave us android

antoobrien

prech101 wrote: »

Apple never pays dividend

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dividendchannel/2012/01/09/technology-dividends-to-look-forward-to-in-2012/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCqSEpGBF4

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2011/03/15/sec-disclosure-and-corporate-governance-financial-reporting-challenges-for-2011/

Not that uncommon in tech companies, it tends to bring in more serious investors that have an interest in seeing the company grow (hence the value going up) - vs investors that just want a quick buck in the form of dividends (who won't care if they lose $1m on the stock after making $10m on dividends).

prech101

Hello world wrote: »

How about u give us evidence for anything u have said? This fabled law perhaps? this idea you have that apple is responsible for how Foxconn treats its employees?

Everything, how about no, how about you support your arguments for the current system?, Apart from sitting near a production line and therefore understanding the workings of all production line/manufacturing companies worldwide.

I will again ask the question: Do you think the current world financial system is fit for purpose.

prech101

Hello world wrote: »

No one was arguing if they had paid or not, and ur first link says they are going to pay so...what's ur point?

What they do is still up for debate..

First link confirms no dividend paid.
Second link show new source reporting on it.
third link is were the detail is.

Irishgoatman

Hello world wrote: »

I have read a good portion of this however sorry I haven't been on it since page 1 I have other things to tend to rather then reading all of this. Anyways the only things I want to know is why the occupy people are there and what do they want done so they will go home because I'm sick of looking at them to be honest.
And you are obvisouly a supporter of them even if u don't camp out do u happen to know the answers to either of these questions?

I don't believe that I've ever said anything more than the fact that I support their right to protest, without being insulted and sworn at on this thread.

So please go away and stop asking me to answer questions that only the O.G. members have the right to answer in their name.

Hello world

Irishgoatman wrote: »

I don't believe that I've ever said anything more than the fact that I support their right to protest, without being insulted and sworn at on this thread.

So please go away and stop asking me to answer questions that only the O.G. members have the right to answer in their name.

Ok I dont think anyone has cursed at you so calm down
So ur supporting their right to protest? Even tho their protest is a camp ad they have no right to protest in that manner.

Hello world

prech101 wrote: »

What they do is still up for debate..

First link confirms no dividend paid.
Second link show new source reporting on it.
third link is were the detail is.

First link shows that they will probably going to pay it this year unless they have plans to reinvest it

Hello world

prech101 wrote: »

Everything, how about no, how about you support your arguments for the current system?, Apart from sitting near a production line and therefore understanding the workings of all production line/manufacturing companies worldwide.

I will again ask the question: Do you think the current world financial system is fit for purpose.

Foxconn make a chip then send it to another plan where it is fed into a machine and placed onto a pcb along with hundreds of other components it is not apples job to make sure the foxconn employes are treated well. The same way it's not my problem to make sure apple employes are treated well. A bit of common sence is all I need for my argument. And did I say I knew how all production lines work? Also I seem to have a far better understanding of them the u do

K-9

prech101 wrote: »

Apple never pays dividend

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dividendchannel/2012/01/09/technology-dividends-to-look-forward-to-in-2012/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCqSEpGBF4

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2011/03/15/sec-disclosure-and-corporate-governance-financial-reporting-challenges-for-2011/

What part refers to this law you are on about?

Eman Resu

Sorry C-man I see yer point in the logic flaw, it's what I get for writing code on one monitor and getting involved in a debate on the other. Could we agree my statement would be more acceptable to you if I replaced the word "all" with "some"? I was just trying to show I wasn't just being anti apple by saying a lot of other corporations operate in their own best interests as well.

prech101

prech101 wrote: »

Apple never pays dividend

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dividendchannel/2012/01/09/technology-dividends-to-look-forward-to-in-2012/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCqSEpGBF4

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2011/03/15/sec-disclosure-and-corporate-governance-financial-reporting-challenges-for-2011/

The Forbes article is an opinion piece, the Harvard one is about disclosure of various topical stuff, the Russia Today one is just reporting Apple's position Max Keiser says it is illegal in passing but doesn't back it up.
I'm not sure how they are relevant

I'm not aware of any laws that require US companies to pay dividends - I am aware that these laws exist in different countries however.

I would imagine the American public would regard such an imposition as socialism.

These are the laws the SEC quotes on it's website.
http://www.sec.gov/about/laws.shtml
They are primarily about disclosure, reporting, insider trading, regulation of intermediaries etc

Can you point to the law you are referring to?

Apple has had a good decade but the IT industry collapsed after the dot com bubble just ten years ago. If Apple had been reliant on outside funding it might not have survived (if it was unable to roll over debt)

Microsoft had a similar policy up till 2004 or so. It was the target at the time as it had the largest cash reserves in the world.
http://www.economist.com/node/2941669

Apple may change in the post-Jobs world and might not be as afraid of getting caught out.

Irishgoatman

Hello world wrote: »

Ok I dont think anyone has cursed at you so calm down
So ur supporting their right to protest? Even tho their protest is a camp ad they have no right to protest in that manner.

LOL
Believe me I am very calm.

If you lived in Roscommon would you have objected, last year, to the pickets protesting at the hospital gates against the closure of the A&E, would you have objected to the crosses they put along the road to signal the death knell of the emergency services?.

People have a right to peaceful protest and I believe that is what the O.G. are doing.

prech101

prech101 wrote: »

third link is were the detail is.

Can you point it out to me?

I read through it and didn't spot it - the whole thing is about disclosure - eg whether a company with cash on their balance sheet should tell investors where that cash is invested as it could influence their decision.

Red_Wake

prech101 wrote: »

were is your evidence for this statement.

probably contra to your image of me, I am not sitting around a fire with my laptop singing "Give peace a chance" and smoking a bong.
people who disagree with my views/beliefs seem to try and put everybody into a little box to make their arguments more conniving to themselves. Why??

I do work so my whole day is not focused on boards.ie(well not all of it!!:) )
i have no probs debating any issues, in case you haven't guessed i'm all for free speech, and especially to those I do not agree with.

perhaps this is a good question to ask yourself. How open are you to new ideas/methods or do you find you are pre programmed to think a certain way.

You don't cite any evidence, and condescend when questions are asked, as per below.

prech101 wrote: »

Apple has more money on its balance sheet than the US govt does!!
By law under the SEC a company is not allowed to have that much cash without paying a dividend.

so any law you think is stupid we can ignore
Foxconn - u really think it works like that,, livin in your head must be real nice

pg633 "Traditionally Apple held very large cash reserves to tide them over the tough times in the IT business cyclical"
Apple has made profits year on year for the past 15 years,, what bad times are they keeping it for,,

ben.schlomo "Thats life, get over it or you will end up wearing tin foil hats like the rest of the conspiracy theorists or getting brain rot from sitting in camps arguing amongst yourselves like the Occupiers"

I find this slightly sad. Why do you feel the need to attack people who don't think like you. So how is the current way of things working out, happy so far are ya??

Hello world

Irishgoatman wrote: »

LOL
Believe me I am very calm.

If you lived in Roscommon would you have objected, last year, to the pickets protesting at the hospital gates against the closure of the A&E, would you have objected to the crosses they put along the road to signal the death knell of the emergency services?.

People have a right to peaceful protest and I believe that is what the O.G. are doing.

Nope i have Said it before I wouldn't care if they only did a march I don't like the square looking like a halting site. I don't care who protests about whatever they want usually but when they make the square look like that for no particular reason I have a problem
Also my girlfriend is a nurse so I'm basically obligated to be agains any form of hospital cuts
Also I have taken part in marches protesting Student cuts before so it's not fair to say I'm agains any protest

hippygran

Hello world wrote: »

Ok I dont think anyone has cursed at you so calm down
So ur supporting their right to protest? Even tho their protest is a camp ad they have no right to protest in that manner.

Actually, there is every right to protest in that manner, as confirmed by the Gardai on several occasions. A protest camp is a method that has been used, to varying degrees of success, several times throughout recent history.

biko

That seems to be the main argument the protest opposition has against the camp, its illegal.
Can anyone from either side show some sources to support their claim?

hippygran

Hello world wrote: »

Nope i have Said it before I wouldn't care if they only did a march I don't like the square looking like a halting site. I don't care who protests about whatever they want usually but when they make the square look like that for no particular reason I have a problem
Also my girlfriend is a nurse so I'm basically obligated to be agains any form of hospital cuts
Also I have taken part in marches protesting Student cuts before so it's not fair to say I'm agains any protest

Ah well, why didn't you say? If we had realised that YOU didn't like it we would have gone immediately. We would have taken no notice of all the visitors and locals who come in every day to wish us well, to tell us that they approve of what we are doing, who bring us food and stop for a cup of tea and a chat. :rolleyes:

hippygran

biko wrote: »

That seems to be the main argument the protest opposition has against the camp, its illegal.
Can anyone from either side show some sources to support their claim?

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23062-council-consult-lawyers-over-occupy-galway-eyre-square

There was also an article in the last fortnight in one of the local papers but I can't find it now, and am not sure which paper it was in. It just reaffirmed what this article said really.

Hello world

hippygran wrote: »

Actually, there is every right to protest in that manner, as confirmed by the Gardai on several occasions. A protest camp is a method that has been used, to varying degrees of success, several times throughout recent history.

Actually no eyre square is not zoned as a camping site therefore it's ilegeal to set up camp! Why do u think homeless people don't pitch tents at night? Because they would be removed

Hello world

hippygran wrote: »

Ah well, why didn't you say? If we had realised that YOU didn't like it we would have gone immediately. We would have taken no notice of all the visitors and locals who come in every day to wish us well, to tell us that they approve of what we are doing, who bring us food and stop for a cup of tea and a chat. :rolleyes:

Well now your just being beyond moronic and I actually don't even know how to reply to something so stupid

Hello world

Here you go do u have a Licence for this occupy group?
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0030/sec0229.html#partxvi
"241.—The Minister may make regulations providing that any activity or class of activity to which the public have access and which takes place wholly or mainly in the open air or in a structure with no roof or a partial, temporary or retractable roof, a tent or other similar temporary structure to be an event for the purposes of this Part."

Check and mate

c_man

Eman Resu wrote: »

Sorry C-man I see yer point in the logic flaw, it's what I get for writing code on one monitor and getting involved in a debate on the other.

*cough* Me, while debating with you

:pac:

thesandeman

Thread is a bit easier to read now since the multiple requoting of posts seems to have stopped.
Whatever about the success/failure (depending on whos opinion I read) of the protest I cant agree with the view that the camp is an eyesore. I pass it numerous times daily and it is always well kept and not in anybodys way. The original location was a bit annoying as it was blocking th Browne Doorway to tourists etc. but I think its current spot is completly harmless and it seems to have a calming effect on the revellers around the Square at night.
It definately looks better than when GBFM, i102 or whoever stick their distorted sounding advert covered vans in the middle of the Square.