Occupy Galway Group (mod note added)

hippygran

Hello world wrote: »

Well when you are trying to have an adult discussion and hippygran come out with a completely sarcastic/useless comment it's beyond annoying and childish. And considering she keeps telling us that she is a middle aged wan with grandchildren you would think she would be able to have some level of debating skills. However yes I probably should have not said that.

If you look back through my posts, you will find that I have remained reasonable and civil at all times, despite extreme provocation. On this occasion, I agree that I did stoop down to sarcasm, but I still feel that I deserved that little indulgence, so I won't apologise.

Hello world

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I don't care what SHE said. What has that to do with anything?
Your reply to her was as abusive as anything Irishgoatman has come out with, yet only he get the mod warning.
Your repeat rant against hippygran doesn't do anything at all to explain this double standard.

I agreed with you! calm yourself down

biko

Dan_Solo wrote: »

"Well now your just being beyond moronic and I actually don't even know how to reply to something so stupid" is every bit as bad as "I'm not sure if you're on some sort of medication".
Why mod warnings for only one side?

I don't read every post. Feel free to report any post you think is out of line.

Irishgoatman

Although, as I have made clear, I feel my warning was unjustified I would suggest that we draw a line here and see what the future brings.

As previously stated, I will not be reading any of a certain persons postings so perhaps I won't receive any more warnings!:rolleyes: But I will take biko's advice and report postings that I feel are abusive or insulting.

hippygran

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Because it's a common trend that OG members and sympathisers are resorting to insults and expletives on this thread when they are asked basic questions about what they believe in and what they're plans are. Everyone else is asking these questions. Asking a question is not abusing another poster.

Ok..I don't intend wasting much more of my time on boards because I find it hard to control my patience with some of the posters on here and, at my age, I need to watch my blood pressure!
I will copy and paste a response that I wrote on another thread, to someone who asked me in a nice, polite, non-confrontational way about Occupy. I would like people to understand that Occupy is a large, growing movement, it goes beyond just camps at this stage and includes in its participants many different types of people. I'm afraid it's not just hippies any more!

The grievances are, primarily, the massive payments to unsecured bondholders coupled with budget cuts that are affecting the most vulnerable in society. Last February Enda Kenny said that 'not another cent of taxpayers money should be paid to Anglo Irish' and Michael Noonan described the payments as 'indefensible' and 'obscene'. On Wednesday a further 1.25 billion will be paid on unsecured bonds, bonds that another minister said we had 'no legal or moral obligation to pay'. Yesterday there was a huge demonstration in Dublin with hundreds of schoolchildren, teachers and parents protesting because they are to lose teachers from their schools because of education cuts.
The Occupy movement in Ireland is making sure that this stays at the forefront of peoples minds, talking to people, holding protests, making posters listing the payments that are going out, and the cuts that are being made. There is also a campaign going online notourdebt.org, I think..that has sprung out of the movement and is gaining momentum.

I agree that things do get muddled sometimes, and there does appear to be a lack of clarity. This is, in my opinion, because there are so many different types of people involved and because there are so many other things going on in the world that are worrying people as well. Also, because most of us are ordinary people not politicians so we may not express ourselves well.

What I have seen happening in my time in the camp is that it has become a hub of sorts for all sorts of campaigns, and for networking. I see people with different areas of interest, or different expertise, exchanging email addresses and phone numbers. Groups such as amnesty international, who were protesting against Guantanamo bay last week in Galway, drop in and leave a pile of flyers for us to distribute, as have the ShelltoSea group in Rossport and others. It is giving people somewhere to go to share information and learn and discuss, and sometimes just to vent their disgust at what is happening. A lady came in one day last week furious because her 12 year old granddaughter, who is almost completely blind, has been told she can't have a special needs assistant when she starts secondary school, or braille lessons, because the money isn't there. She had a cup of tea and a chat and went away determined to make as much of a fuss about it as possible, starting with her local TD. I realise this isn't changing the world, but it's a start.

I,personally, think maybe the camp side of it will fizzle out in due course. It was a statement, it was a great idea in that it got peoples attention. It wasn't a new idea, by the way, it was done in the early 1920s by a group of soldiers in the US who didn't get pay they were owed after ww2. They camped on the riverbank in Washington apparently. They also got a lot of support from local people and a lot of abuse and aggression from others. But they did get their pay in the end. Greenham Common in the UK as well, of course.
It is bloody hard work staying there though, to be honest, and I for one won't be completely sorry when sleeping-in-tent ends. I think the councils will start to find a way to move the camps but I don't think that will matter too much. People are forming groups, they are starting to specialise and focus on particular issues, and income inequality and social injustice are at the forefront of political discussion these days.

With regards to proposed solutions, I am not sure that we, as a group, need to have any. It is something that has been discussed a lot..both what the solutions may be, and whether we need to propose any. If my shower breaks I call a plumber, I don't have to be able to tell him how to fix it, just that it's broken. It is his job to fix it, it's what I'm paying him for. Our government are getting large salaries to run our country for us.

There are people, economists, political parties, etc that have suggestions..these should be looked at. Not paying Anglo Irish would be my first obvious suggestion, and it seems that this is now being considered following the meeting with Troika a couple of days ago. However, for this to be of use to us the money saved needs to be put back into the country in the form of job creation or spending in health or education. It seems the IMF is happier for the govt to do that than the ECB is. Maybe with enough people out protesting and upsetting the powers that be, our government will grow a pair and put their people before the bankers?

This is of course just my views on it, I daresay other people involved have different views. My side of it when I am there is mostly welcome person..talking to passers by, making tea, listening etc so I probably see it differently from those who are planning protests, researching facts and other things.
Sorry for rambling but I don't intend on spending much more time on this site so I tried to answer as comprehensively as possible. I realise it is probably still not the soundbite political responses that some people would like to hear.
As far as I know, not many other fellow occupiers bother with boards much, but maybe someone else will give you their take on it sometime.

wayne jobless

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Hello world

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Although, as I have made clear, I feel my warning was unjustified I would suggest that we draw a line here and see what the future brings.

As previously stated, I will not be reading any of a certain persons postings so perhaps I won't receive any more warnings!:rolleyes: But I will take biko's advice and report postings that I feel are abusive or insulting.

Shocking OG members/supporters not listening to anything agains their little cause

Red_Wake

hippygran wrote: »

It wasn't a new idea, by the way, it was done in the early 1920s by a group of soldiers in the US who didn't get pay they were owed after ww2. They camped on the riverbank in Washington apparently. They also got a lot of support from local people and a lot of abuse and aggression from others. But they did get their pay in the end. Greenham Common in the UK as well, of course.

:eek:

hippygran

Red_Wake wrote: »

:eek:

Lol..I noticed that after I had posted it, but thought I'd wait and see who thought it was important enough in the scheme of things to nitpick at it first!
Shall I edit it or shall I assume that everyone else is intelligent enough to realise that it was a typo. It was, of course, WW1.

Eman Resu

hippygran wrote: »

Lol..I noticed that after I had posted it, but thought I'd wait and see who thought it was important enough in the scheme of things to nitpick at it first!
Shall I edit it or shall I assume that everyone else is intelligent enough to realise that it was a typo. It was, of course, WW1.

Damn that's a pity was hoping it was bunch of Marines who stumbled upon an abandoned secret Nazi Bunker, and accidently activated the Temporal Translocator the Nazi's had been working on. A typo is just plain boring.

FreudianSlippers

In the Occupy Galway thread in Politics, the "representative" posters from the group cannot or will not answer this basic question. Just wondering if I can get an answer here.

I'm not pro or against the movement in theory, but I'd really like to know what the purpose and goals of the movement are. So...




1) is Occupy Galway in line with Occupy Dame Street in saying EU/IMF out?
2) if so, how do we fund ourselves?
3) who promotes or controls the Occupy Galway Facebook?
4) why are they promoting freeman pseudo law?
5) why, when informed they are doing so, was this position defended and the post remained up - I could understand an error, but when brought to their attention they defended it.
6) Occupy Galway is, by admission of members of the movement in the Politics thread, taking donations. There is some talk from inside the camp that these funds are not being used properly. Are there proper books or records of donations and how these funds are spent?



In relation to #4, some background is probably necessary, so see the following:

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Background info: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

On their Facebook page, Occupy Galway #OccupyGalway, have shared a piece of very dangerous misinformation under the title "Its NOT legal......."

To their credit, this misinformation did not stem from Occupy Galway, but rather from a group calling themselves Call for a revolution in Ireland. As follows:

‎.SHARING ~~~ How you don’t have to legally pay Household Tax!!-
You wont get a bill because the charge is a Statute. People need to understand this: A Statute is a “legislated rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed.”(Blacks Law Dictionary 4th edition). Who are those it governs? Us, the public.
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you consent to it which means that your legally obliged to pay if you consent or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register.
Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent. If you do not consent, a Statute cannot affect you in any way whatsoever.
The courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can.
On the other hand, if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true.
According to the above definitions a statutory instrument is a contract. If you register for this “charge” you are consenting to this statuate ie: signing the contract. This is why the Government are ASKING the people to register and not just billing them instead.

This is highly dangerous for those that actually follow this advice and go blindly in quoting pseudo law. More interestingly it raises significant questions about the credibility of the Occupy Galway movement and, perhaps, the Occupy movement in itself. If they are willing to spread this type of information amongst their followers blindly... perhaps opening up hundreds or thousands of people to fines and potential litigation; what other information and ideas are based on fundamentally flawed principles?

Clearly in light of the "Why has ODS failed?" thread's closure, there are many tangents - but in my opinion this undermines the Irish movement as a whole. I've also seen in the Legal Discussion forum that Occupy Cork is opening a legal advice centre - hopefully this isn't the advice being given out.
Is there a legal advice centre in ODS?

hippygran

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

In the Occupy Galway thread in Politics, the "representative" posters from the group cannot or will not answer this basic question. Just wondering if I can get an answer here.

I'm not pro or against the movement in theory, but I'd really like to know what the purpose and goals of the movement are. So...




1) is Occupy Galway in line with Occupy Dame Street in saying EU/IMF out?
2) if so, how do we fund ourselves?
3) who promotes or controls the Occupy Galway Facebook?
4) why are they promoting freeman pseudo law?
5) why, when informed they are doing so, was this position defended and the post remained up - I could understand an error, but when brought to their attention they defended it.
6) Occupy Galway is, by admission of members of the movement in the Politics thread, taking donations. There is some talk from inside the camp that these funds are not being used properly. Are there proper books or records of donations and how these funds are spent?



In relation to #4, some background is probably necessary, so see the following:

Actually, I have just answered it in full, on the other thread. So now I am having to answer the same points, by the same people on two different threads. If anybody here wants the answer to these questions I can cut and paste, Freudian Slippers here can go back to the original thread where he posted the question and read it there.

FreudianSlippers

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

6) Occupy Galway is, by admission of members of the movement in the Politics thread, taking donations. There is some talk from inside the camp that these funds are not being used properly. Are there proper books or records of donations and how these funds are spent?

I've asked those at the camp on numerous occasions about the donations and have yet to get a satisfactory answer. I wanted to know how much they have received, is there a record of donations, where the money is being spent and who has control. I was told that it was none of my business what they did with donationa by one member. when I brought up the many accusations concerning donations and how they being spent I get nothing but blank stares and half assed excuses from others.

FreudianSlippers

hippygran wrote: »

Actually, I have just answered it in full, on the other thread. So now I am having to answer the same points, by the same people on two different threads. If anybody here wants the answer to these questions I can cut and paste, Freudian Slippers here can go back to the original thread where he posted the question and read it there.

Firstly, thanks for replying. I posted in reply to your answers in politics... I do not intend to continue x-posting, but I would like further answers to some of your points and invite discussion from the OG movement here.

hippygran wrote: »

1)Yes, I think I can safely say that we are in line with ODS on that issue and 2)it's not about how we fund ourselves, it's about the amount of control they have over our affairs.

Of course it is about how we fund ourselves. With the EU/IMF out, we would have no money. Could you explain where we get money if not from the EU/IMF?

If you had a loan from the bank you wouldn't expect the bank manager to then be able to come into your house and tell you exactly what expenditure you should cut in order to repay it would you? You would expect to be able to make those decisions for yourself.

No, I wouldn't, you are absolutely correct. To follow your analogy or tease it out; the usual procedure we follow to get funding (as do almost all other countries) is that we go to the "bank" and take a loan. The "bank manager" does not come in an tell us what to do - we just use the money as we wish and make the repayments (usually by taking another loan when the bonds mature or become due).

What has happened to us is that we have gone to the "bank" and they have said that they will lend us money, but they will demand an interest rate on that loan of 14.04% on 10 year bonds. We simply could not accept that.
So what we did was went to a lender of last resort, the Troika, who have offered to give us the loan at a 3.7% average interest rate. The condition is that they look at our books and say you need to make cuts in these areas and implement x, y, z.
They do not say what specific cuts need to be made, that is our government, they simply say x% reduction in public expenditure, x% in bla bla bla... they do not say cut your jobseekers benefit by €10 or whatever.

On the 13th of January our interest was 7.84% on bonds redeemable in 2020, still a significant amount above our current rate from the Troika. If we want the money we must fulfil the conditions, simples.

The above is obviously a gross oversimplification but I think it's useful in illustrating the concept.

Also, as stated in my previous post, if we weren't paying billions to Anglo Irish we would have more funds.

Not necessarily, see here.

3) Again, as previously stated, there are several admins on the OG Facebook. I know who most of them are, but don't intend on giving you a list.

I ask that because another poster is attempting to say there is a disconnect between Facebook and the OG movement. I don't give a toss about who the "admins" are, once you are confirming it is the "official" OG account?

3,4 and 5) I suggest you go onto the OG Facebook page, comment on the post itself and ask these questions. I am not an admin and have already told you what I think about the freeman matter, which I still haven't had chance to look into.

I did ask and got no answer. Just change of topic and avoidance. I missed what you said about the Freeman matter (perhaps you could direct me to the post, even just tell me the post number).

Is that blunt enough for you. With regard to funding, cuts etc, I would also like to draw your attention to this article, and ask you to note the list of signatories to this. There are people more intelligent and accomplished than you or I that believe there is another way through this mess...the cuts don't have to be necessary, just because the government says they do! http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2012/0120/1224310515186.html

I wouldn't imagine there are any people on that list that are more intelligent than myself actually. I would tend to agree with some of the things they say; they are not thinking out the burning of bondholders though... and I have a significant problem with the concept of "redistribution" of wealth and assets.

There is another way through the mess, but the occupy movement has it wrong.

hippygran

Deleted User wrote: »

I've asked those at the camp on numerous occasions about the donations and have yet to get a satisfactory answer. I wanted to know how much they have received, is there a record of donations, where the money is being spent and who has control. I was told that it was none of my business what they did with donationa by one member. when I brought up the many accusations concerning donations and how they being spent I get nothing but blank stares and half assed excuses from others.

If there are suspicions about the donations from inside the camp, surely these should be being brought up at camp meetings, not by some anonymous person online?
Why exactly is this becoming such an issue on here..we don't get hundreds you know..gas for the heater costs €32 and lasts 3 or 4 nights, we also have a gas bottle for the single ring cooker, this lasts about a week I think. We buy milk, we put credit on the camp phone, the odd bag of pasta for our dinner...what exactly do you expect to find? None of us are accountants, we haven't been using a double entry bookkeeping system or anything, they are written in a book at the end of most days. There has been the odd occasion when someone has bought something that others have thought unnecessary, but we are talking a few euro not squandering hundreds!

hippygran

hippygran wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I've asked those at the camp on numerous occasions about the donations and have yet to get a satisfactory answer. I wanted to know how much they have received, is there a record of donations, where the money is being spent and who has control. I was told that it was none of my business what they did with donationa by one member. when I brought up the many accusations concerning donations and how they being spent I get nothing but blank stares and half assed excuses from others.

If there are suspicions about the donations from inside the camp, surely these should be being brought up at camp meetings, not by some anonymous person online?
Why exactly is this becoming such an issue on here..we don't get hundreds you know..gas for the heater costs €32 and lasts 3 or 4 nights, we also have a gas bottle for the single ring cooker, this lasts about a week I think. We buy milk, we put credit on the camp phone, the odd bag of pasta for our dinner...what exactly do you expect to find? None of us are accountants, we haven't been using a double entry bookkeeping system or anything, they are written in a book at the end of most days. There has been the odd occasion when someone has bought something that others have thought unnecessary, but we are talking a few euro not squandering hundreds!

Not about keeping detailed accounts but every donation of money should be recorded and all purchases made using the donations should be kept track of. Theres been a lot if talk involving some if the different Occupy groups and money being misused. If 64 euro can be spent on gas for one heater a week then there's obviously a decent amount of money being donated each week.

If members of the group when asked about donations act evasive or refuse to answer then people are entitled to raise the issue. After all why give money to help a group if they can't keep track of how much comes in and goes out.

hippygran

Deleted User wrote: »

Not about keeping detailed accounts but every donation of money should be recorded and all purchases made using the donations should be kept track of. Theres been a lot if talk involving some if the different Occupy groups and money being misused. If 64 euro can be spent on gas for one heater a week then there's obviously a decent amount of money being donated each week.

If members of the group when asked about donations act evasive or refuse to answer then people are entitled to raise the issue. After all why give money to help a group if they can't keep track of how much comes in and goes out.

We do keep track of everything that comes in and goes out, and we get receipts for everything..or at least that has certainly been what is happening whenever I am at camp. I do have 3 or 4 days at home for every few days there but it has always looked up to date when I have been entering things into the book. It's not a case of 'if 64 euro can be spent on gas'..we often add a few euro each to the kitty for gas, it is our most expensive outlay, but essential for our health. We need hot drinks, we need to eat and we need to be able to get warm in the evenings. This is the point I have been trying to make..we don't get vast amounts of donations, a lot of the donations we get from people are in the form of teabags, cake (we get a lot of cake for some reason), tins of food and similar. At one point we had 3 sacks of potatoes so we gave some out to visitors. I don't know where all the suspicion comes from with regard to our funds but it really is unwarranted, maybe it isn't being reported often enough at meetings, that is something I could suggest.

wayne jobless

So much for freedom of speech i did not mention any names but just stated a fact and now it seems my comments are being continually deleted or reported by who ever from now on i shall not be commenting on this thread anymore thank you very much, seems that maybe i hit a nerve and theres always truth in that!

biko

There is no freedom of speech on boards. This is a private site and the owners may be held liable for your comments, hence we have to be careful what we write about individuals. Thx.

hippygran

hippygran wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Not about keeping detailed accounts but every donation of money should be recorded and all purchases made using the donations should be kept track of. Theres been a lot if talk involving some if the different Occupy groups and money being misused. If 64 euro can be spent on gas for one heater a week then there's obviously a decent amount of money being donated each week.

If members of the group when asked about donations act evasive or refuse to answer then people are entitled to raise the issue. After all why give money to help a group if they can't keep track of how much comes in and goes out.

We do keep track of everything that comes in and goes out, and we get receipts for everything..or at least that has certainly been what is happening whenever I am at camp. I do have 3 or 4 days at home for every few days there but it has always looked up to date when I have been entering things into the book. It's not a case of 'if 64 euro can be spent on gas'..we often add a few euro each to the kitty for gas, it is our most expensive outlay, but essential for our health. We need hot drinks, we need to eat and we need to be able to get warm in the evenings. This is the point I have been trying to make..we don't get vast amounts of donations, a lot of the donations we get from people are in the form of teabags, cake (we get a lot of cake for some reason), tins of food and similar. At one point we had 3 sacks of potatoes so we gave some out to visitors. I don't know where all the suspicion comes from with regard to our funds but it really is unwarranted, maybe it isn't being reported often enough at meetings, that is something I could suggest.

Personally I don't think that the group should accept any donations of money. Supplies, food, etc are slightly more acceptable bevenly by much. If those involved can afford to give up so much time to protest then they should not expect others to provide necessities of living for them.

when people offer money I think that it should be refused and under no circumstances should it be accepted. Bit ironic that one of the groups main issue for protesting is the bank guarantee where our government essentially gave hand outs to the banks, yet the group is quite happy to accept handouts,

The people involved have made the choice to spend their time at the camp and as such any financial burden should be shouldered by the individuals of the group. They should not be reliant on the generosity of others to pay for gas to keep the group warm.

Irishgoatman

Darko,

Surely the people who donate to the camp are doing so because they respect what the people there are standing for?. If you are not in a position to actually do something yourself, for whatever reason, you give money or items.

They are giving, I imagine, because they want to not because they are asked to.

hippygran

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally I don't think that the group should accept any donations of money. Supplies, food, etc are slightly more acceptable bevenly by much. If those involved can afford to give up so much time to protest then they should not expect others to provide necessities of living for them.

when people offer money I think that it should be refused and under no circumstances should it be accepted. Bit ironic that one of the groups main issue for protesting is the bank guarantee where our government essentially gave hand outs to the banks, yet the group is quite happy to accept handouts,

The people involved have made the choice to spend their time at the camp and as such any financial burden should be shouldered by the individuals of the group. They should not be reliant on the generosity of others to pay for gas to keep the group warm.

Your objection has been noted and when we feel that we need your permission to do anything we will be sure to contact you. If you want to raise this as a matter for discussion you are welcome to come along to a General Assembly and put the matter on the agenda. That is how decisions are made. The donations are offered, we don't solicit them. The first few times it happened took us all by surprise, to be honest, we hadn't expected it. This is the same in every camp and it is something that people do completely voluntarily, with or without your permission.

Irishgoatman

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Darko,

Surely the people who donate to the camp are doing so because they respect what the people there are standing for?. If you are not in a position to actually do something yourself, for whatever reason, you give money or items.

They are giving, I imagine, because they want to not because they are asked to.

hippygran wrote: »

Your objection has been noted and when we feel that we need your permission to do anything we will be sure to contact you. If you want to raise this as a matter for discussion you are welcome to come along to a General Assembly and put the matter on the agenda. That is how decisions are made. The donations are offered, we don't solicit them. The first few times it happened took us all by surprise, to be honest, we hadn't expected it. This is the same in every camp and it is something that people do completely voluntarily, with or without your permission.

No matter how you dress it up accepting donations of money from people should not be accepted. It's been said that the group spends it on essentials, simply put if those giving up their time to be there cannot pay for the essentials necessary to be there then they should head home. Members could easily be picking money gave as a donation or be spending it on inessential products. What's to stop it going on a few rounds in the pub.

There are numerous rumors regarding the various groups using donations as personnal spending money and as such no group involved in the protests should accept any money from anyone. If people insist upon giving money then a list of necessary should be written up and handed allowing individuals to then select an item from the list and purchase it for the group.

Hippygran or any other representative of the urban camping group:

Please advise on the following
- Time, date & location of general assembly
- Agenda
- Can anyone attend?
- Can anyone speak?
- Can anyone propose a motion at this assembly?
- If a motion is proposed and passed will the urban camping ground folks abide by it?

K-9

The last few pages about donations of a few Euro or a pack of Lyons Tea Bags seems extremely petty.

K-9

K-9 wrote: »

The last few pages about donations of a few Euro or a pack of Lyons Tea Bags seems extremely petty.

It's not about a few euro, some of the groups are receiving hundreds of thousands. In its first month Occupy Wall Street received 435,000 dollars in donations so the Galway group could easily be getting a couple of hundred each week.

Irishgoatman

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not about a few euro, some of the groups are receiving hundreds of thousands. In its first month Occupy Wall Street received 435,000 dollars in donations so the Galway group could easily be getting a couple of hundred each week.

I find it hard not to believe that you are trolling!!.

In a slightly earlier post you mentioned rumours! Well they, of course, must be true.
Now you are making a comparison between Wall st and Galway!

LOL.

Irishgoatman

Darko,

I feel that I must thank you.

I've had a very quiet day and you have given me a great laugh to go to bed on.

Many thanks.

Irishgoatman

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not about a few euro, some of the groups are receiving hundreds of thousands. In its first month Occupy Wall Street received 435,000 dollars in donations so the Galway group could easily be getting a couple of hundred each week.

I find it hard not to believe that you are trolling!!.

In a slightly earlier post you mentioned rumours! Well they, of course, must be true.
Now you are making a comparison between Wall st and Galway!

LOL.

The rumors are regarding a number of the groups works wide, not just the Galway one.

I think the comparison is fair, if the Wall St. one raised close to half a million in its first month is it really that hard to believe that the Galway group could earn a few hundred each week.

I love how asking simple questions or voicing an opinion which doesn't cirrespond with those of the group is considered trolling. But I guess that fits in nicely with the way some members posting here repeatedly respond with insults when challenged.

Irishgoatman

Deleted User wrote: »

The rumors are regarding a number of the groups works wide, not just the Galway one.

I think the comparison is fair, if the Wall St. one raised close to half a million in its first month is it really that hard to believe that the Galway group could earn a few hundred each week.

I love how asking simple questions or voicing an opinion which doesn't cirrespond with those of the group is considered trolling. But I guess that fits in nicely with the way some members posting here repeatedly respond with insults when challenged.

Firstly, how did I insult you?.
I, personally, take no notice of rumours because that's exactly what they are. Rumours.
Go by facts not rumours.
It always appears to ME that people who talk about and spread rumours are just trying to stir things up.

Secondly, do you really believe that Galway has as much spare money floating around as Wall St.?.

Finally, why do you follow the trend of other posters and assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a member of the group, as you put it ?.

Read a few of my earlier postings before you make this mistake again please.

Sorry, I forgot to say good noght before switching my comp. off.

Good night