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Why don't we have free healthcare?
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Deleted User wrote: »What happens when you're carted off to A & E on a trolley after having an accident, it's not as if you can do a little market research on the way in and decide which doctor you want to treat you.
Your market research is a choice between bankruptcy or death.
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Deleted User wrote: »LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
It's ok Dr. Neary, you can come back, the sole purpose of the medical council that barred you from practicing medicine in Ireland ever again is actually to protect you from competition, not to protect patients from incompetent doctors!
Ah, Dr. Shipman, I didn't see you over there, sorry about the little mixup in the UK with them barring you from practicing medicine and all that. I have good news for you, it turns out that a bright young man on the internet has figured out that the licencing laws are there to protect you not the patients, please feel free to come over and practice in Ireland, just don't charge your patients too much for killing them.
So the reason we need medical licensing is because LICENSED doctors were able to conduct over 100 hysterectomies or kill over 200 people?Why Dr. Wakefield! You're just the man we've been looking for to complete some ethically and scientifically unsound research at a reasonable price, come on over! Just don't charge too much and we'll turn a blind eye to that little research paper of yours that resulted in the deaths of thousands of children.
:pac::pac::pac:
What difference would it have made if he had a licence or not? He would still have been able to issue a report stating that the MMR vaccine causes autism. If anything medical licencing gave him more credibility than he deserved.
So far you have proven that licencing doesn't protect patients. It is also common sense that by constricting the number of doctors, medical licencing does make medical care more expensive.
Care to have another try at making a case for medical licencing?What will happen is the demand for the best doctors will increase, driving up price.
God forbid better doctors getting paid more and giving other doctors an incentive to improve :rolleyes:
If the reasons for having licencing are true, then only the best doctors are allowed to practice now, so getting rid of licencing shouldn't increase the prices doctors charge.The cheap doctors will end up being sub par, which when dealing with health is dangerous.
It's better to at least give people a choice between going to expensive or cheap doctors.So it won't solve any healthcare problem.
As has already been outlined, yes it will.Deleted User wrote: »What happens when you're carted off to A & E on a trolley after having an accident, it's not as if you can do a little market research on the way in and decide which doctor you want to treat you.
Or maybe people will know which hospitals in their local area employ shoddy doctors and they won't ask to be brought to those hospitals.There shouldn't be any bad doctors. Those who can't pass their exams and cannot prove to be of a sufficient standard should be not be allowed practice medicine. Otherwise any chancer could print out a fake cert from the internet and embark on a killing spree after offering his services door to door to absent minded old people and the most vulnerable not before cleaning out their bank accounts. Theres enough chancers already going door to door offering to do tarmacing and clean the gutters etc. The problem would explode into absurd surreality if they were also free to offer prescription drugs and surgery.
Maybe people should take some responsibility for themselves and make sure they are getting treatment from a good doctor.opinion guy wrote: »Oh but our Austrian free market capitalist friend has told us we need to scrap the licensing system so anyone could practise medicine! THere won't be any exams or standards - remember ?
Who said anything about not having exams or standards?
The case was being made for allowing unlicenced doctors to compete with licenced ones. If there is a demand for doctors to be certified to have reached some standard, then organisations will start doing that.Even libertarians would admit there has to be some regulation of the health service.
Otherwise we rank GP's and A&E's by ranking the number of deaths. I don't want to be that statistic.
I'm a libertarian and I don't accept that there has to Government regulation of health care.If you are in an accident and bought in unconcious in an ambulance maybe, however my friend lives in the states, in DC specifically and she woke up with tremendous pain in her amdomen one night. Her flatmate bought her to the nearest hospital. After an ultrasound they diagnosed an ovarian cyst which had wrapped itself around one of her fallopian tubes cutting of the blood supply to it. If it ruptured it could have killed her and best case scenario was that her fertility was threatened. They said they would admit her for emergency surgery could she please provide insurance details. Given that she worked in theatre at the time she had no insurance and they hospital refused to treat her and discharged her immediately. The only thing they gave her was a copy of her ultrasound. The same thing happened at the next hospital until her flatmate who had a very well paying IT job paid $3,000 in cash upfront. Her mother had to fly in from Carolina the following day and write a chequw for the remaining amount which I think totalled $25K and wiped out their savings. Two months later my friend recieved a further bill for $8K from hospital number one for the ultrasound and their examination.
Maybe she should have gotten insurance instead of taking the risk of not having it then.0 -
Suryavarman wrote: »So the reason we need medical licensing is because LICENSED doctors were able to conduct over 100 hysterectomies or kill over 200 people?
What difference would it have made if he had a licence or not? He would still have been able to issue a report stating that the MMR vaccine causes autism. If anything medical licencing gave him more credibility than he deserved.
So far you have proven that licencing doesn't protect patients. It is also common sense that by constricting the number of doctors, medical licencing does make medical care more expensive.
Care to have another try at making a case for medical licencing?
God forbid better doctors getting paid more and giving other doctors an incentive to improve :rolleyes:
If the reasons for having licencing are true, then only the best doctors are allowed to practice now, so getting rid of licencing shouldn't increase the prices doctors charge.
It's better to at least give people a choice between going to expensive or cheap doctors.
As has already been outlined, yes it will.
Or maybe people will know which hospitals in their local area employ shoddy doctors and they won't ask to be brought to those hospitals.
Maybe people should take some responsibility for themselves and make sure they are getting treatment from a good doctor.
Who said anything about not having exams or standards? The case was being made for allowing unlicenced doctors to compete with licenced ones. If there is a demand for doctors to be certified to have reached some standard, then organisations will start doing that.
I'm a libertarian and I don't accept that there has to Government regulation of health care.
Maybe she should have gotten insurance instead of taking the risk of not having it then.
You either a wind up or your opinions class you as a lower form of life.0 -
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Suryavarman wrote: »So the reason we need medical licensing is because LICENSED doctors were able to conduct over 100 hysterectomies or kill over 200 people?
What difference would it have made if he had a licence or not? He would still have been able to issue a report stating that the MMR vaccine causes autism. If anything medical licencing gave him more credibility than he deserved.
So far you have proven that licencing doesn't protect patients. It is also common sense that by constricting the number of doctors, medical licencing does make medical care more expensive.
Care to have another try at making a case for medical licencing?
A typical Nirvana fallacy.
"It's not perfect, therefore it's worthless".
Having a licencing system guarantees that people who are not doctors may not masquerade as such. Given how the title 'nutritionist' isn't legally protected and the unmitigated farce that has produced, I see no sane reason to remove legal protection from the title of doctor.Suryavarman wrote: »It's better to at least give people a choice between going to expensive or cheap doctors.
If this choice comes at the expense of being able to know that the person you're seeing is, in fact, a doctor - then fuck it. The myth of the rational consumer is just that, a myth.Suryavarman wrote: »Maybe people should take some responsibility for themselves and make sure they are getting treatment from a good doctor.
Given that people are fucking awful at making decisions, and aren't also medical professionals how, exactly, do you propose people make sound choices on this?
sounds great, If only we already had a system like that....Suryavarman wrote: »Who said anything about not having exams or standards? The case was being made for allowing unlicenced doctors to compete with licenced ones. If there is a demand for doctors to be certified to have reached some standard, then organisations will start doing that.Suryavarman wrote: »I'm a libertarian and I don't accept that there has to Government regulation of health care.
Well yes, nobody but a internet libertarian could envisage this kind of nonsense.Suryavarman wrote: »Maybe she should have gotten insurance instead of taking the risk of not having it then.
because US health insurance is a paragon of affordable and reasonable insurance.
Or , better translated, "fuck you, i got mine"0 -
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Suryavarman wrote: »So the reason we need medical licensing is because LICENSED doctors were able to conduct over 100 hysterectomies or kill over 200 people?
What difference would it have made if he had a licence or not? He would still have been able to issue a report stating that the MMR vaccine causes autism. If anything medical licencing gave him more credibility than he deserved.
So far you have proven that licencing doesn't protect patients. It is also common sense that by constricting the number of doctors, medical licencing does make medical care more expensive.
Care to have another try at making a case for medical licencing?
God forbid better doctors getting paid more and giving other doctors an incentive to improve :rolleyes:
If the reasons for having licencing are true, then only the best doctors are allowed to practice now, so getting rid of licencing shouldn't increase the prices doctors charge.
It's better to at least give people a choice between going to expensive or cheap doctors.
As has already been outlined, yes it will.
Or maybe people will know which hospitals in their local area employ shoddy doctors and they won't ask to be brought to those hospitals.
Maybe people should take some responsibility for themselves and make sure they are getting treatment from a good doctor.
Who said anything about not having exams or standards? The case was being made for allowing unlicenced doctors to compete with licenced ones. If there is a demand for doctors to be certified to have reached some standard, then organisations will start doing that.
I'm a libertarian and I don't accept that there has to Government regulation of health care.
Maybe she should have gotten insurance instead of taking the risk of not having it then.
So your solution to escalating health costs in Ireland is to adopt policies that created the expensive healthcare in the US?0 -
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