Gallagher : Good businessman or snout seeking trough

raymon

geetar wrote: »

I accept your point. His business success was reliant on the ole Celtic tiger.

But he's clearly an intelligent man, who can present himself and he's a good orator. He is an entrepreneur (regardless of his companies loss in profits the last few years). his mindset might be a refreshment for the country.

I don't see the point of belittling him because of his connections with FF. I love bashing FF as much as the next guy, but it's a bit much to give him any blame for our countries collapse. And to deny him a chance or presidency through association of an already ridiculed and punished political party isnt really fair.

I think the main point is that he is projecting himself as a successful businessman with businesses that are booming .

This is misleading. He is imo not successful.

I believe that he is seeking another quango .

sarkozy

geetar wrote: »

I accept your point. His business success was reliant on the ole Celtic tiger.

But he's clearly an intelligent man, who can present himself and he's a good orator. He is an entrepreneur (regardless of his companies loss in profits the last few years). his mindset might be a refreshment for the country.

I don't see the point of belittling him because of his connections with FF. I love bashing FF as much as the next guy, but it's a bit much to give him any blame for our countries collapse. And to deny him a chance or presidency through association of an already ridiculed and punished political party isnt really fair.

The guy made money off property deals. He's a FF insider. I saw him speak at the weekend. He didn't answer the questions, he didn't speak well and he didn't appeal to the group (in an entry and exit poll at this debate, his popularity actually fell). He exemplifies everything we should be trying to get away from. To me, this person does not therefore have the integrity and quality which the role of President requires.

Ash.J.Williams

LostinKildare wrote: »

Lots of questions answered by an article in today's Sunday Business Post, "Gallagher's Cabling Company Got €700,000 in State Supports."

I won't type the whole thing -- it should be on the SBP web site tomorrow morning, and no doubt (I would hope!) the Irish Times and the Independent will print something about it.

To summarise some of the main points:

1. Enterprise Ireland has given Gallagher's company Smarthomes €693,000 since 2004.

2. During the boom the company worked with some of Ireland's biggest developers, installing cabling systems in houses under construction. In 2006 it had pre-tax profit of €506,000 and finished the year with €1.3 million in shareholder funds.

3. In 2009 (the last year for which accounts are available), Smarthomes had losses of €490,000, and accumulated losses of over €543,000.

4. In 2009 Gallagher and his partner were paid over €196,000 by Smarthomes for rent on the company headquarters in Dundalk. Gallagher also was due €58,320 for patents used by the co. in 2009.

5. Its 2010 expected losses will be somewhat offset from €150,000 from Enterprise Ireland in May 2010. (Hmm, Enterprise Ireland pumping €150,000 of taxpayer money into a failing entreprise?)

6. Smarthomes now employs about 20 people, down from about 100. Part of its headquarters is now sublet. Gallagher stepped down from its directorship before entering the race, and the co. is run by a managing director.

7. Separately, Gallagher's personal development/corporate speaking company Beach House Training and Consulting had profits of €114,000 in 2009, its first year. Gallagher had an interest-free loan of almost €83,000 outstanding from the company. He and his wife had been the directors of the company, but Gallagher has been replaced by Derek Roddy, his partner from Smarthomes.

Looks like derek needed a few quid himself!

Drummer Derek Roddy has announced his departure from HATE ETERNAL. Roddy's official statement on the matter reads as follows:
"Real-life situations have forced me to resign as a member of HATE ETERNAL. I can on longer afford the expenses of touring. I have put MUCH thought into this for the last several years and kept coming to this conclusion. I must be able to afford the quality of life that I enjoy, and thus far... touring in extreme bands has not allowed me to do anything other than go into a financial hole. Every tour has put me in finanancial burden. Now, I'm not complaining (because I never expected to 'make it' playing metal), but I cannot continue to pay to do it either!!! Too expensive. Besides, I value the scene and would rather GIVE my music away than be insulted at the end of the year with a $600.00 royalty check!!!! This in NO WAY means I won't be recording and releasing extreme music. In fact, you will hear more from me (as I now have the freedom to do what I want when I want.)

"I wish HATE ETERNAL the best of luck."

CDfm

brendankelly wrote: »

You do not know what you are saying.

A bill becomes a bill AFTER it is debated. Aarhus was never debated, Therefore it NEVER went to the Dail.

Lots of legislation by passes the debate stage , take this agency worker directive

http://www.nrf.ie/news.asp?p=press-release-awd-

it is important legislation which will go straight to law and the social partners i.e. the unions are the only ones consulted

Is that democracy

raymon

Surely someone has something good to say about Gallagher's business skills.

Personally I think he is a state sponger who made a few quid off the FF bubble , but couldn't make it in the real world

polod

seeking trough OP

CDfm

raymon wrote: »

Surely someone has something good to say about Gallagher's business skills.

Personally I think he is a state sponger who made a few quid off the FF bubble , but couldn't make it in the real world

You started the thread and have a view and an analysis of his business life is something I would expect to show up somewhere in the press.

Big names like Arnotts collapsed as did many businesses in a sea of debt builders, furniture shops and strangely chemists.

Any business's sucess is dependent on market forces and economic conditions and here is a succint article from earlier in the year

Business failures rising in Ireland

A boom in the number of chemists in Ireland was a curious side-effect of the Celtic Tiger. They are now a casualty to the financial disaster along with the building and hospitality trade

An abandoned housing estate in Longford. The construction sector is on its knees in the wake of Ireland's financial crisis. Photograph: Kim Haughton/Polaris/ eyevine

The number of big businesses that went bust in Ireland in 2010 was five times that seen at the peak of the Celtic Tiger.
Four in ten business failures were in the construction sector, which is on its knees following the property crash.
Accountancy firm FGS, which compiled the figures, says the uncertainty is going to continue through 2011. It is one of Ireland's biggest insolvency practices and was recently appointed to handle the collapse of building giant Michael McNamara Construction.
"The ongoing reduction in house prices, a virtual cessation in the number of new units being built, uncertainty regarding the availability of credit for small to medium type developers and purchasers, all indicate that much uncertainty is likely to prevail in the short term.
"The uncertainty is likely to be further compounded as the transfer of toxic loans to The National Asset Management Agency nears completion," it said.
Figures FGS compiled for the year show that just over 1,700 firms were forced into receivership, liquidation or examinership by creditors and the courts.
However the percentage increase in the number of corporate failures year on year is just 12%. This is significantly lower than the 2009 when the number of businesses going bust doubled compared with 2008.
This is likely to reflect the lack of new businesses opening in the year that represented the worst chapter in Ireland's economic history.
After the construction industry, the hospitality (restaurants and hotels) sector was the worst hit, followed by furniture stores (again hit by the decline in numbers of people trying to kit out new apartments) and the automotive sector.
Retail, which has been heavily hit by the downturn in consumer confidence and the decrease in discretionary income, also saw big losses, with the number of business failures rising from 92 in 2009 to 146 in 2010.
FGS also records a large number of chemists in trouble. One of the most curious side effects of the Celtic Tiger boom was the rise in the number of pharmacies. In some streets in Dublin it was not uncommon to have two or three virtually side by side competing for custom.
Dublin continues to account for the majority of failures but there were significant rises in the number of failures elsewher,e including County Clare, where the numbers nearly doubled from 25 to 45.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/ireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll/2011/jan/07/ireland

Unemployment is almost 14 % and would be higher except for record emigration figures. A more robust economic analysis is here

http://www.ronanlyons.com/2011/06/22/three-labour-market-trends-ireland-cant-ignore/

Lots of businesses are hanging on tooth and nail.

There are still a lot of failures

http://www.examiner.ie/business/company-failure-rate-set-to-exceed-2010-figure-153313.html

To say that Gallagher's business interests will be any different is just crass but he has not gone broke.

Tuesday October 18 2011

INDEPENDENT candidate Sean Gallagher was forced to defend his job creation record yesterday.

It came in the wake of 30 job losses over the past four years in Smarthomes -- the company which established his reputation as an entrepreneur.

Mr Gallagher co-founded the company in 2002 to install TV, internet and phone connections in new houses but its workforce has dropped from 50 during the construction boom to 20 now.

Yesterday, he defended his record at the company by saying that survival was "the new success" in the current economic climate.

"I understand that pain, I've been through it. Thankfully Smarthomes is re-inventing itself and has a very bright future," he said.

Mr Gallagher stepped down as a Smarthomes director last year but is still a shareholder. A company spokesman said it planned to employ five extra staff by the end of the year.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gallagher-defends-job-losses-at-his-firm-and-rules-out-higgins-debate-2908509.html

So raymon , what criteria are you using ?

raymon

My point is that he is misrepresenting himself as a successful businessman , by misrepresenting his "growing business"

"
Seán was the co-founder of Smarthomes, Ireland’s fastest growing technology company and he has built up a successful business presence in Ireland. "
..
He is spinning his unsuccessful business as successful and growing fast. Not true

Being a businessman is to be admired in todays climate however the guy is not what his spin is projecting

CDfm

raymon wrote: »

My point is that he is misrepresenting himself as a successful businessman , by misrepresenting his "growing business"

"
Seán was the co-founder of Smarthomes, Ireland’s fastest growing technology company and he has built up a successful business presence in Ireland. "
..
He is spinning his unsuccessful business as successful and growing fast. Not true

Being a businessman is to be admired in todays climate however the guy is not what his spin is projecting

So as long as its not Sean Gallagher it is to be admired , is that your criteria ?

I dont know if he is or not and I dont know the business or that market and you are not being objective here.

raymon

CDfm wrote: »

So as long as its not Sean Gallagher it is to be admired , is that your criteria ?

I dont know if he is or not and I dont know the business or that market and you are not being objective here.

Wrong again.

My issue is not whether he failed at business.
The website is clearly misrepresenting smarthomes as growing fast. In fact the fastest in Ireland

RichardAnd

Snout seeking trough, That's not the first such reference I've seen in recent weeks. What's with the pig analogies?

jonniebgood1

RichardAnd wrote: »

Snout seeking trough, That's not the first such reference I've seen in recent weeks. What's with the pig analogies?

Is it part of an online smear tactic? I have wondered the same myself. Much of the arguments of this nature lack any objectification or reality. Comments such as that in this thread title suggest that there is very little to genuinely put against this man. Similar posts about greasy FF mops, etc seem to be posted also about SG in other threads. If you query them you will be branded a closet FF member:eek:

Zubeneschamali

RichardAnd wrote: »

What's with the pig analogies?

Quite common over the years to compare politicians ripping off the public to pigs with their snouts in a trough.

raymon

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Is it part of an online smear tactic? I have wondered the same myself. Much of the arguments of this nature lack any objectification or reality. Comments such as that in this thread title suggest that there is very little to genuinely put against this man. Similar posts about greasy FF mops, etc seem to be posted also about SG in other threads. If you query them you will be branded a closet FF member:eek:

Hold on a sec. You are the one who said he had a successful business.

This is the whole point of the thread , to discuss whether he has.

Were you making things up ?

AngeGal

raymon wrote: »

Hold on a sec. You are the one who said he had a successful business.

This is the whole point of the thread , to discuss whether he has.

Were you making things up ?

I'm not voting for him (though he may get my no.2) but isn't isn't any company keeping 20 people employed these days reasonably successful?

Monty Burnz

AngeGal wrote: »

I'm not voting for him (though he may get my no.2) but isn't isn't any company keeping 20 people employed these days reasonably successful?

Not if it's losing money every year and only exists due to grants of taxpayer's money. Anyone could have a successful company if those are the criteria.

I'm actually genuinely disappointed - I don't think the presidency is about business, but I thought it couldn't do any harm to have a guy from the business world in there in case he could do something for us. But it turns out his successful businesses are anything but, he earns a pittance, and it seems that the only 'success' he managed was due to his FF connections, taxpayer grants from EI, and the property bubble. Now that FF are out of power and the bubble is over, his business is suddenly in the toilet.

raymon

To quote his website " Smarthomes Irelands fastest growing technology company" . This is untrue , it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company. This is lies

It has reduced its staff

polod

When I think of Sean Gallagher the song Gangster Paradise comes to mind.

jonniebgood1

raymon wrote: »

This is untrue , it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company.

Source please to back up this-i.e. facts and figures.
Or are you making stuff up again?

Monty Burnz

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Source please to back up this-i.e. facts and figures.
Or are you making stuff up again?

I think we can take it for granted that a loss-making company that's shedding workers isn't the fastest growing IT company in Ireland.

raymon

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Source please to back up this-i.e. facts and figures.
Or are you making stuff up again?

WWW.seangallagher.com

Now .......

You said he had a successful company .

I will ask you a fifth time what are the details of this or are you fabricating???

Are you on his team ??

jonniebgood1

raymon wrote: »

WWW.seangallagher.com

Now .......

You said he had a successful company .

I will ask you a fifth time what are the details of this or are you fabricating???

Are you on his team ??

What a ridiculous answer. You ignore what you are asked, give an irrelevant link, accuse me of lieing and suggest that I am on his team. As I have said before if this is the best type of argument you can come up with against SG then I am beginning to think he may not be that bad after all.

His company is called Smart homes, I thought you might have heard of them but I may be wrong. I believe his business skills were nominated for the Ernst & Young award but you may doubt that. Maybe he lied his way onto that nomination also!

Smarthomes have won numerous accolades including the IntertradeIreland Seedcorn Competition, the Deloitte Rising Star Award, the SFA Innovation Award, the Plan Expo award for the Construction sector and was a finalist in the 2006 Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Programme.http://www.youngentrepreneur.ie/programme/judges/Sean-Gallagher/

Now to my mind these nominations and awards are usually given to successful companies. You will predictably respond with some blab about losing money last year without the context of the construction industry. To which I will ask do you always measure success in financial terms.

So I have backed up my comments with facts. You have said that "Being a businessman is to be admired in todays climate". SG's business has lost money in the las 2 years (the situation improved last year http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dragon-predicts-smarthomes-will-return-to-profit-2433016.html)
So his business is about to return to profitability. Add in the fact that his business is in construction which itself is on its knees and surely you must be impressed

Being a businessman is to be admired in todays climate

Are you able to back up your assertions.

-that i am on his 'team'!!!

-or

Originally Posted by raymon View Post
Gallagher is not a new broom , more like a a dirty greasy FF mop

Can you prove that he is not a broom but rather that he is a mop (a dirty greasy one at that)?
Sorry if that appears childish but I am quoting your opinion which I am entitled to query.

raymon

Is smarthomes the fastest growing company in Ireland then?

Or is his website misleading ?

raymon

By the way , I never said you were on his team .....just asking if you were

jonniebgood1

You said that was untrue already and when I asked you to "back up this-i.e. facts and figures." you were unable to do so.
If you actually are able to stand over any of these posts feel free to do so.

raymon

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

You said that was untrue already and when I asked you to "back up this-i.e. facts and figures." you were unable to do so.
If you actually are able to stand over any of these posts feel free to do so.

Which post..???.. that he said that smarthomes is the fastest growing company in Ireland?
Or the fact that it has been reducing personnel from 50 to 20.

Let me know the specific post you disagree with .

jonniebgood1

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74999719&postcount=73
no facts (which were asked for) to back up opinion.
Your stated opinion would hold more weight if you can prove it. you are usually unable to do this as your posts are full of hyperbole. Now I didnt necessarily disagree, I just asked for facts and figures. The reason I did this was that I suspected you did not have them (i.e. you are spoofing which is what you accuse Gallagher of). If you are going to apply standards in most cases it is a good idea to apply them to yourself first regardless of who is a presidential candidate or not. To not do so leaves you open to accusations of hypocrisy.

raymon

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74999719&postcount=73
no facts (which were asked for) to back up opinion.
Your stated opinion would hold more weight if you can prove it. you are usually unable to do this as your posts are full of hyperbole. Now I didnt necessarily disagree, I just asked for facts and figures. The reason I did this was that I suspected you did not have them (i.e. you are spoofing which is what you accuse Gallagher of). If you are going to apply standards in most cases it is a good idea to apply them to yourself first regardless of who is a presidential candidate or not. To not do so leaves you open to accusations of hypocrisy.

Just follow the link http://www.seangallagher.com/2011/about-sean/

You can paste it into any standard browser.

He clearly states that smarthomes is the fastest growing company in Ireland.

Let me know if you are still having trouble following the link

jonniebgood1

raymon wrote: »

Just follow the link http://www.seangallagher.com/2011/about-sean/

You can paste it into any standard browser.

He clearly states that smarthomes is the fastest growing company in Ireland.

Let me know if you are still having trouble following the link

I know where it states that.
I am asking you to prove your opinion that "it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company"

As i said:

Your stated opinion would hold more weight if you can prove it. you are usually unable to do this as your posts are full of hyperbole. Now I didnt necessarily disagree, I just asked for facts and figures. The reason I did this was that I suspected you did not have them (i.e. you are spoofing which is what you accuse Gallagher of). If you are going to apply standards in most cases it is a good idea to apply them to yourself first regardless of who is a presidential candidate or not. To not do so leaves you open to accusations of hypocrisy.

raymon

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I know where it states that.
I am asking you to prove your opinion that "it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company"

As i said:

This sbp article shows the company dropped from approx 100 employees to 20

http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/gallaghers-cabling-company-got-700000-in-state-supports-59166.html

Companies that reduce staff are not growing

Now can you please prove otherwise ....if you want to get into this "prove this prove that " back and forward

Ald

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I know where it states that.
I am asking you to prove your opinion that "it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company"

You want your head examined if you buy that s*it!

A Fianna Fáiler, on the Week in Politics, practically admitted why Seán went independent in the race. He said that FF did some research with a list of candidates that went beyond what is on the ballot and the overwhelming concensus was that people wanted somebody outside of the establishment. On one hand I admire their research but on the other it makes my blood boil when all the FF heads lie about Gallagher being affiliated. He is FF out and out... a scummer basically.

CDfm

Ald wrote: »

You want your head examined if you buy that s*it!

I can't speak for jonnie, but, I am not buying into anything other than wanting a proper analysis of the man as opposed to negative and perjotative comments.

The reasons I have for not being pro Higgins are his foreign policy thru the years and, that as president and he a Labour Party stalworth, I am unsure how he would use the presidential powers on dissolving or not dissolving the Dail in the event that the coalition fell apart and Enda Kenny lost a vote. So its the legacy of his foreign policy views and his potential for partiality/party bias that concern me.

So when I see analysis I would like to see it referenced.

Mr.Micro

raymon wrote: »

This sbp article shows the company dropped from approx 100 employees to 20

http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/gallaghers-cabling-company-got-700000-in-state-supports-59166.html

Companies that reduce staff are not growing

Now can you please prove otherwise ....if you want to get into this "prove this prove that " back and forward

Its FF speak, opposite to the truth but put forward as fact. Remember Biffo, no IMF here and they in the country at the time.

CDfm

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Its FF speak, opposite to the truth but put forward as fact. Remember Biffo, no IMF here and they in the country at the time.

And Gallaghers involvement in this event was ???

jonniebgood1

Ald wrote: »

You want your head examined if you buy that s*it!
.

Do people read a post or series of posts before commenting on them?
I asked for a claim to be backed up.

So who is buying what s*it?

Mr.Micro

CDfm wrote: »

And Gallaghers involvement in this event was ???

None that I know of but he is FF. One can only expect delusion and subterfuge and stretching of the truth or complete lies.....traits of FF alas that most of us expect and hate.

jonniebgood1

raymon wrote: »

This sbp article shows the company dropped from approx 100 employees to 20

http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/gallaghers-cabling-company-got-700000-in-state-supports-59166.html

Companies that reduce staff are not growing

Now can you please prove otherwise ....if you want to get into this "prove this prove that " back and forward

You said 'it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company'
I have no interest or care whether it is on not.
I was simply pulling you up on making ridiculous statements that are impossible to prove. You will note that finding out that the company has reduced its staff does not prove what you stated.

Thats all.

jonniebgood1

Mr.Micro wrote: »

One can only expect delusion and subterfuge and stretching of the truth or complete lies.....traits of FF alas that most of us expect and hate.

Is this not the same for each candidate?

raymon

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

You said 'it is not Irelands fastest growing technology company'
I have no interest or care whether it is on not.
I was simply pulling you up on making ridiculous statements that are impossible to prove. You will note that finding out that the company has reduced its staff does not prove what you stated.

Thats all.

I have shown that Gallaghers company is contracting so cannot be the fastest growing company in Ireland as he has misrepresented on his website

In an earlier post you said he has a successful business . And you provided no proof . Looked like a fabrication to me on your part

swampgas

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Is this not the same for each candidate?

"Everybody lies" is a pretty lame excuse, jonniebgood1.

None of the other candidates is misrepresenting their party affiliation to the same degree SG is. This is no little white lie - this is a whopper.

Maybe SG and his supporters think it acceptable to grossly misrepresent his involvement with FF just so he can have a better shot at getting elected. IMO that reflects very badly on them and him, as it shows a lack of basic honesty.

He is attempting to cheat the electorate by passing himself off as something he isn't. He certainly won't be getting my vote.

jonniebgood1

swampgas wrote: »

"Everybody lies" is a pretty lame excuse, jonniebgood1.

Excuse???
I won't be making any excuses for anyone here.

Liam Byrne

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

swampgas wrote: »

"Everybody lies" is a pretty lame excuse, jonniebgood1.

Excuse???
I won't be making any excuses for anyone here.

Unless Gallagher is here that statement means nothing.

Actually, there's a second FF-type dodge in your post, because you've already made the excuses, meaning the future-tense post is also misleading.

jonniebgood1

raymon wrote: »

I have shown that Gallaghers company is contracting so cannot be the fastest growing company in Ireland as he has misrepresented on his website

You have shown that the company is contracting but it has'nt unproven what is stated on the website. I would prefer not to go into the detail of this (i.e. context, timing of website statement, etc) as I'm not really that bothered about it. As per my previous post

I was simply pulling you up on making ridiculous statements that are impossible to prove.

raymon wrote: »

In an earlier post you said he has a successful business . And you provided no proof . Looked like a fabrication to me on your part

I provided proof for why this could be said. Remember. awards, etc.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75001119&postcount=73
You can disagree if you wish but it is disingenuous to suggest that no proof is shown. You should retract the statement that it looks like a fabrication when I have already provided the basis for this.

jonniebgood1

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Unless Gallagher is here that statement means nothing.

Actually, there's a second FF-type dodge in your post, because you've already made the excuses, meaning the future-tense post is also misleading.

More FF accusations Good man. Achieves alot!

Liam Byrne

You have shown that the company is contracting but it has'nt unproven what is stated on the website.

See that word "contracting" that you used ?

On what planet does it imply "growing" ?

jonniebgood1

Did I say it was growing?

No I didnt.

I called raymon up as he made a claim that he could'nt factually prove. I don't really care what state the business is in but if you wish to try and take up the case to prove it then go ahead. I think the figures for smarthome are in the public domain so thats a start. You may also need to find out when the statement was made as something which was true 3 years ago may not be now.
If you can do this properly then work away. If not then you are wasting my time. I don't mean to be rude but I suspect the later.

Liam Byrne

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Did I say it was growing?

You defended their claim that it was the fastest growing.

I called raymon up as he made a claim that he could'nt factually prove.

Untrue. They claim they are the fastest growing, while they are contracting.

You may also need to find out when the statement was made as something which was true 3 years ago may not be now.

The URL address clearly shows 2011.

http://www.seangallagher.com/2011/about-sean/

Not only that, but since the page is about his presidential campaign, not spotting that isn't an excuse - when did he decide to run ? It was hardly 3 years ago, was it ?

If you can do this properly then work away.

Done.

I don't mean to be rude but I suspect the later.

You suspect wrong, obviously.

You also appear to suspect anyone bar Gallagher - strange, that.

isthatit

if it comes down to gallagher or higgins. i will go with gallagher simply because of the age thing dont want to go through this sh1t again for at least another seven years. especially as i am the one paying for it. another reason to vot for gallagher, because he didnt inflict god awful posters on us,like the rest did.

Liam Byrne

isthatit wrote: »

if it comes down to gallagher or higgins. i will go with gallagher simply because of the age thing dont want to go through this sh1t again for at least another seven years. especially as i am the one paying for it. another reason to vot for gallagher, because he didnt inflict god awful posters on us,like the rest did.

Posters & ageism ? :rolleyes:

Let's ignore what his FF party inflicted on us and crib about posters ( which I personally hate but which are WAY down my list of priorities )

isthatit

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Posters & ageism ? :rolleyes:

Let's ignore what his FF party inflicted on us and crib about posters ( which I personally hate but which are WAY down my list of priorities )

you call it ageism, i call it realism. plus for somebody around as long as higgins what has he actually ever done for the people of ireland