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Child seat in front of jeep...?

  • 16-10-2011 4:43pm
    #1
    sprouty
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭


    Hi all,
    Is it illegal and/or dangerous to have a baby/child seat on front passanger seat of commercial jeep & does it make any difference if the airbag is de-activated?
    thanks.


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  • #2
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    we de activated the air bag in our jeep, we had to sign a letter at the garage that we would not sue them in the case of something happening but this was a good few years ago , could have changed since


  • #3
    JohnBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭JohnBoy


    yes/no/maybe

    lots of inter-related things here.

    You're not supposed to use a commercial vehicle for non-commercial purposes.

    You're not supposed to use a rear facing seat when there's an airbag.

    The good news is that it is allowed to put children/child seats in the front when there's only two seats.


  • #4
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Ya we do it, no airbag fitted. Would like to hear what exactly the legal side of things is on it. Sure aren't they better off strapped into the front seat than bouncing round in the back if anything happens?:eek: Legally what size/age does a child have to be to sit in the front seat of a car?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #5
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    I was always sure that children had to be 12 to sit in the front of a car, and that children in the front seat of a jeep/van was a bit of a grey area..
    Last week two guards visited the creche where my little one goes.. They sent a leaflet home and i'm now confused...
    It doesn't seem to restrict any age from sitting in a front seat as long as they are in a proper seat and that if in a rear facing seat the airbag has been turned off...
    Here's a snap of the points on seats/belts


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  • #6
    Longback
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Longback


    sprouty wrote: »
    Hi all,
    Is it illegal and/or dangerous to have a baby/child seat on front passanger seat of commercial jeep & does it make any difference if the airbag is de-activated?
    thanks.
    Hi I'm sure my greatest concern would be my kids safety. I don't know about illegalities,but the RSA tell us a child is statistically in greater danger in the front seat of a vehicle versus the back. And regarding the airbag,if any manafacturer fitted safety feature in your vehicle is disabled, then it's automatically unroadworthy(check DOE/NCT) and will invariably lead to problems with insurance companies in the event of an accident. I'd check with my insurance company .


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  • #7
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Longback wrote: »
    Hi I'm sure my greatest concern would be my kids safety. I don't know about illegalities,but the RSA tell us a child is statistically in greater danger in the front seat of a vehicle versus the back. And regarding the airbag,if any manafacturer fitted safety feature in your vehicle is disabled, then it's automatically unroadworthy(check DOE/NCT) and will invariably lead to problems with insurance companies in the event of an accident. I'd check with my insurance company .



    But if you are using a rear facing child seat in the front seat of a vehicle, it is illegal and dangerous to have the airbag switched on in either a passenger or a commercial vehicle.

    I think the posters above are talking about commercial vehicles where a rear seat in not an option. In cases like this, a child, secured in a proper child/booster seat in the front passenger seat would be a lot safer than having the child unsecured in the rear load space (as used to happen around here up to only a very short time ago. )

    As a farmer with a commercial vehicle, sometimes you bring a child with you (to give the mother a break, or just to help you). Its not illegal to bring them with you so long as they are properly secured in the vehicle. Most 4x4's will have a deactivation switch for the passerger airbag in the driver or passenger door well and you can normally switch it on or off with the vehicle key.


  • #8
    Condatis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Condatis


    On a smilar point – does anybody here know the minimum age for a pillion passenger on a motorbike?


  • #9
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    Longback wrote: »
    .,if any manafacturer fitted safety feature in your vehicle is disabled, then it's automatically unroadworthy(check DOE/NCT) and will invariably lead to problems with insurance companies in the event of an accident. I'd check with my insurance company .

    Most modern cars have the ability to turn off the airbag yourself as part of the standard equipment... This does not mean the NCT is invalid, in itself it is a safety feature...


  • #10
    locky76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭locky76


    Longback wrote: »
    Hi I'm sure my greatest concern would be my kids safety. I don't know about illegalities,but the RSA tell us a child is statistically in greater danger in the front seat of a vehicle versus the back. And regarding the airbag,if any manafacturer fitted safety feature in your vehicle is disabled, then it's automatically unroadworthy(check DOE/NCT) and will invariably lead to problems with insurance companies in the event of an accident. I'd check with my insurance company .
    Longback what exactly are you basing the above on as regards nulifying your insurance?
    Is this not the kind of scare mongering which makes it increasingly difficult to do business in this country?


  • #11
    EGAR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    I checked with my insurer and my child (7yro with booster seat) is covered when traveling in the van with me.


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  • #12
    vetstu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭vetstu


    bbam wrote: »
    Most modern cars have the ability to turn off the airbag yourself as part of the standard equipment... This does not mean the NCT is invalid, in itself it is a safety feature...

    This facility isn't on the Landcruiser, you have it deactivated by the dealer


  • #13
    sprouty
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭sprouty


    EGAR wrote: »
    I checked with my insurer and my child (7yro with booster seat) is covered when traveling in the van with me.

    Thanks for that....if its as safe as the back seat of a car/covered by insurance etc that just leaves the issue of using a commercial vehicle for private use. I for one won't be copliant with that one....nanny state nonsense !


  • #14
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    vetstu wrote: »
    This facility isn't on the Landcruiser, you have it deactivated by the dealer

    Its definitely in the L200. I have had to turn mine off on occasion.


  • #15
    dar31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭dar31


    none of the toyota,s can turn off passanger side airbag.
    have a hilux which cant be turned off, had carolla before, same thing.
    brought it to the garage to get it disconnected, and the refused to do it.
    saying if an accident happened and it went to court the garage would be liable


  • #16
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    dar31 wrote: »
    none of the toyota,s can turn off passanger side airbag.
    have a hilux which cant be turned off, had carolla before, same thing.
    brought it to the garage to get it disconnected, and the refused to do it.
    saying if an accident happened and it went to court the garage would be liable

    I had a 06 corolla and it had an off switch. Have an Auris now and it can be turned off too. Its vital that its turned off for to have a rear facing child seat in the front seat.


  • #17
    dar31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭dar31


    reilig wrote: »
    I had a 06 corolla and it had an off switch. Have an Auris now and it can be turned off too. Its vital that its turned off for to have a rear facing child seat in the front seat.

    must have been only the models i had. my mistake..
    missus hated the old 3 door corolla, as she had to climb into the back to get the baby, at the time, straped in. by the time the second came it was a case change the car or sleep in it....


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