Limerick Businesses Closed V 2.0 [Mod note post 1]

JamesBond2010

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

Darez no Parkin!!! U can park in da crezent 4 free!

Even if there is there is traffic wardens waitng to pounce on you if u do find a space & give u a ticket before u get the chance to even get a disc (for the nontech savy people who cant use the app).

tototoe

The city centre will always struggle until they do something with the state of the place, and actually keep the place clean. Large parts of the city centre are a kip and the place is generally filthy.

Retailers themselves have a lot to answer for in that regard as well, they dont maintsin their shop fronts and picking up litter outside their premises seems to be an alient concept. A lot of the buildings could do with a paint job...some of the riverfont from thomond bridge right down the dock road are in an appalling state and need to be cleaned and painted. Denmark street is dark and dingy. Ellen street more or less empty.

The opera site is aboit as attractive as a veruca and those tacky signs they put on it to hide it for the 2020 bid are still in olace and look absolutely terrible. Personally those signs aleays looked rubbish from the day they went up.

Cruises street shoukd be knocked and the hilarious market quarter needs a serious revamp. Most of the buildings are closed or surface car parks or abondoned sites. Quarter my eye

Wickham street and gerald griffin street are also dilipitated kips.

Its just not an attractive place to spend time, with a few small exceptions like thomas st, bedford row, and henry street.

They have been talking about oconnell streets revamp for decades, the opera project seems like a pipe dream. Have been listening to plans for that since the 90s.

Im not one bit surprised about the body shop, its never omce been busy when ive passed and their products are a bit 1990s..

Vanquished

JamesBond2010 wrote: »

Even if there is there is traffic wardens waitng to pounce on you if u do find a space & give u a ticket before u get the chance to even get a disc (for the nontech savy people who cant use the app).

You clearly don't spend much time in Limerick city centre so. The reality is that you can more or less abandon the car wherever you like, including up on the footpath and neither the Gardai nor Traffic Wardens will bat an eyelid!

lockman

tototoe wrote: »

The city centre will always struggle until they do something with the state of the place, and actually keep the place clean. Large parts of the city centre are a kip and the place is generally filthy.

Retailers themselves have a lot to answer for in that regard as well, they dont maintsin their shop fronts and picking up litter outside their premises seems to be an alient concept. A lot of the buildings could do with a paint job...some of the riverfont from thomond bridge right down the dock road are in an appalling state and need to be cleaned and painted. Denmark street is dark and dingy. Ellen street more or less empty.

The opera site is aboit as attractive as a veruca and those tacky signs they put on it to hide it for the 2020 bid are still in olace and look absolutely terrible. Personally those signs aleays looked rubbish from the day they went up.

Cruises street shoukd be knocked and the hilarious market quarter needs a serious revamp. Most of the buildings are closed or surface car parks or abondoned sites. Quarter my eye

Wickham street and gerald griffin street are also dilipitated kips.

Its just not an attractive place to spend time, with a few small exceptions like thomas st, bedford row, and henry street.

They have been talking about oconnell streets revamp for decades, the opera project seems like a pipe dream. Have been listening to plans for that since the 90s.

Im not one bit surprised about the body shop, its never omce been busy when ive passed and their products are a bit 1990s..

Limerick Tidy Towns volunteers meet twice a week in the city centre to do their bit in trying to help clean and tidy the place. They meet every Wednesday outside The White House pub on O'Connell street (May - Sep.) for ~ 1 hour from 18:00 h, and every Sunday morning on Thomas St, near Brown Thomas (year round) at 11:00 h. Everyone/anyone is more than welcome to come along. Even if you can't do it regularly, a once-off or from time-to-time would be appreciated.

http://www.limericktidytown.com/

JamesBond2010

Vanquished wrote: »

You clearly don't spend much time in Limerick city centre so. The reality is that you can more or less abandon the car wherever you like, including up on the footpath and neither the Gardai nor Traffic Wardens will bat an eyelid!

well they did that saturday friends mother got one top of william street. parked in an official space Was out of the car 10 mins while down to the market. & came back there was a ticket on it. so dont know where you get traffic wardens dont bat an eye lid.

Cookiemunster

JamesBond2010 wrote: »

well they did that saturday friends mother got one top of william street. parked in an official space Was out of the car 10 mins while down to the market. & came back there was a ticket on it. so dont know where you get traffic wardens dont bat an eye lid.

They're definitely doing their job, but there aren't enough of them. So you're pretty unlikely to get caught and unlucky when you are. And the guards turn a blind eye.

mdmix

Silentcorner wrote: »

I pay no attention to the local representatives...I listened to Mike Ashley, the retail giant, who owns a few stores in this city, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THr7mUP04KA

And i know a few people working in the courier/transport game.

Can you show me the figures on closures on the many cities across Europe, or are you just plucking s##t out of the air?

So your argument against a local retail strategy is to link to a video of mike Ashley calling for a UK national retail strategy? Did you even watch the video you linked or did you just search “retail dead proof” to try backup your point? He essentially highlights the problem, proposes a solution and asks for government intervention. Multiple times he says retail is in transition, he said it’s dead in some areas and booming in others. Why is this? perhaps some sort of research is required.

Your dismissive attitude is preventing you from seeing any potential solutions.

stefanovich

Vanquished wrote: »

You clearly don't spend much time in Limerick city centre so. The reality is that you can more or less abandon the car wherever you like, including up on the footpath and neither the Gardai nor Traffic Wardens will bat an eyelid!

Apart from the sacred disused taxi rank across from Debenhams. Park there and you'll be promptly towed.

stefanovich

Cookiemunster wrote: »

They're definitely doing their job, but there aren't enough of them. So you're pretty unlikely to get caught and unlucky when you are. And the guards turn a blind eye.

I think they are under instruction to ignore certain offenses. I've seen traffic wardens chatting with people stopped on William Street with their flashers on. And it wasn't a conversation about them moving on.

Silentcorner

mdmix wrote: »

So your argument against a local retail strategy is to link to a video of mike Ashley calling for a UK national retail strategy? Did you even watch the video you linked or did you just search “retail dead proof” to try backup your point? He essentially highlights the problem, proposes a solution and asks for government intervention. Multiple times he says retail is in transition, he said it’s dead in some areas and booming in others. Why is this? perhaps some sort of research is required.

Your dismissive attitude is preventing you from seeing any potential solutions.

Retail is in transition, the high street is dead.

Our shopping habits have changed utterly over the last decade, and it will only get worse for high street retailers, some niche stores have a chance of survival most are operating or managing declining trade...the small family owned stores cannot compete with online retailers some like Debanhams or Sport Direct can and do compete online....

Your attitude is preventing you from seeing the tsunami that is headed toward the high street.

City centres need to focus on good accomodation and jobs, retail is a busted flush!

mdmix

Silentcorner wrote: »

Retail is in transition, the high street is dead.

Then why are some cities high streets thriving and others are declining? Also why is the crescent in limerick booking and the city declining?

Silentcorner wrote: »

Your attitude is preventing you from seeing the tsunami that is headed toward the high street

I’m perfectly aware of what is happening and can see how this plays out if nothing changes

Silentcorner

mdmix wrote: »

Then why are some cities high streets thriving and others are declining? Also why is the crescent in limerick booking and the city declining?



I’m perfectly aware of what is happening and can see how this plays out if nothing changes

There are a few outliers but High Streets are not booming.

The Crescent Shopping Centre, like Mahon Point or Dundrum or Kildare village are not the High Street, Retail Parks have some hope as well as people are still spending on homeware/gardening/furniture, but clothes, shoes, jewellers, books, all the typical High Street vendors are all in real trouble, especially if they are not part of a retail chain.

They cannot compete online in any meaningful way and the footfall, along with the spend of each individual on the High Street is in terminal decline.

Coffee shops, butchers, newsagents have all got a place in the future of the High Street, the more people we get to live and work in the city centre the better chance those kinds of retailers have of thriving.

diusmr8a504cvk

Silentcorner wrote: »

I pay no attention to the local representatives...I listened to Mike Ashley, the retail giant, who owns a few stores in this city, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THr7mUP04KA

What a great guy Mike Ashley is.

mdmix

Silentcorner wrote: »

There are a few outliers but High Streets are not booming.

The Crescent Shopping Centre, like Mahon Point or Dundrum or Kildare village are not the High Street, Retail Parks have some hope as well as people are still spending on homeware/gardening/furniture, but clothes, shoes, jewellers, books, all the typical High Street vendors are all in real trouble, especially if they are not part of a retail chain.

They cannot compete online in any meaningful way and the footfall, along with the spend of each individual on the High Street is in terminal decline.

Coffee shops, butchers, newsagents have all got a place in the future of the High Street, the more people we get to live and work in the city centre the better chance those kinds of retailers have of thriving.

In your original post you said retail is dead, which I do not agree with, however I agree with what you are saying now.

My point was that every time a shop closes in the city we have a public representative saying it’s an unfortunate inevitability. Basically shrugging their shoulders and saying it’s nothing to do with me.

We have the council refusing planning permission for retail outside the town but no plans or strategy for boosting it inside. While we do have the highest vacancy rate of any Irish city (2 highest in if you include large towns), the problem is not unique to limerick. Irish cities (and UK cities) are designed for cars and that’s why outer retail parks are performing well, because it’s easier to get from virtually anywhere in limerick to the crescent than it is to get from say caherdavin to the city. As traffic increases it will become even harder for out of town retail parks to compete - I for one would rather buy online than go to sports direct and deal with Childers road traffic.

We need a development plan for the city that includes housing, transport and retail - not just “which decrepit eyesore should we throw money at and hope a foreign company will rent”. Without a plan there will be many more decrepit eyesores and businesses shut

keane2097

What town has higher vacancy out of interest?

banie01

mdmix wrote: »

We need a development plan for the city that includes housing, transport and retail - not just “which decrepit eyesore should we throw money at and hope a foreign company will rent”. Without a plan there will be many more decrepit eyesores and businesses shut

The lack of any and I do mean any high quality retail space on Limerick's main thoroughfares plays a huge part in this.

The issue has now arisen where there is very little cost benefit to be gained for any retailer or developer in undertaking any project to offer such development in the city centre.

An overarching plan and significant investment is needed to address this.
In an ideal world a development along the lines of the Trinity centre in Leeds, or Victoria Square in Belfast would be a great addition.

The risks involved are huge though, we are at the point of paradigm shift in retail.
Stores are moving to out of town retail parks to take advantage of free parking, cheaper rates, well maintained streetscape and malls and relatively weather worry free shipping for customers.

The attraction of the city centre for Retail is dying a hard death.
Not just in Limerick but across the West really.

There needs to be a serious, concerted effort to either redevelop and reconfigure the space available or to actually rebuild the city centre into something more suitable for retail.

The reconfiguration of the City centre, it's re-orientation towards the river to take advantage of one of the best feature of our city and the identification of retail and hospitality businesses that can take best advantage of those new vistas and units could reap huge dividends in terms of footfall and lifestyle changes in the city.

Mc Love

Windmill Bar is after closing

Louche Lad

Mc Love wrote: »

Windmill Bar is after closing

Only ever went there once, about five years ago, and it was nice enough.

Closure related to this? https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/423572/limerick-city-pub-fined-for-selling-alcohol-at-pub-without-valid-licence.html

bigpink

Louche Lad wrote: »

Only ever went there once, about five years ago, and it was nice enough.

Closure related to this? https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/423572/limerick-city-pub-fined-for-selling-alcohol-at-pub-without-valid-licence.html

A lot of pubs have a period without a license it’s more common than you think your waiting on tax Certs etc
Upper Henry streetis going to the pits

Derbhoy

Was once known as Golden Triangle for pubs Kobs Willies Corner Flag South's Windmill !

apc

Never heard it called that. Dont forget Shannon Arms and The Westend Bar

Cookiemunster

Derbhoy wrote: »

Was once known as Golden Triangle for pubs Kobs Willies Corner Flag South's Windmill !

Whoever called that a triangle wasn't very good at geometry

ejmaztec

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Whoever called that a triangle wasn't very good at geometry

Probably the same person who decided that a pyramid in Tallaght was a square.

source

ejmaztec wrote: »

Probably the same person who decided that a pyramid in Tallaght was a square.

The base of a pyramid is a square.

ejmaztec

source wrote: »

The base of a pyramid is a square.

And?

tweek84

apc wrote: »

Never heard it called that. Dont forget Shannon Arms and The Westend Bar

Is the Westend Bar open again? I haven't been up that side of town in awhile.

You also have The Old Stand,

Is Kennedy O'Briens still going?

apc

sure if your bringing the Old Stand into it might as well mention Bobby Byrnes. KOB is now Scruffy Murphys???

tweek84

apc wrote: »

sure if your bringing the Old Stand into it might as well mention Bobby Byrnes. KOB is now Scruffy Murphys???

The Old Stand is on Henry st, Bobby Byrnes and The West End aren't.
To solve it we will have to do a pub crawl.....

apc

Start at Fennesseys ��

JamesBond2010

Lads was this Sifa back years ago
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/430832/siptu-representatives-to-meet-with-the-liquidator-of-shannon-pharma-firm.html?fbclid=IwAR1rIJ17o72uDhx-oe5JGFn5Hch4Cvr2f1bWC2UxWT6NT-hqoHtYkfTWsCs