UPC is the worst ISP for Deep Packet Inspection and throttling

burt

Funnily enough, Eircom is the best

http://dpi.ischool.syr.edu/MLab-Data.html

vibe666

they've obviously never had an *enhanced* pat down at a US airport by the TSA. they could teach UPC a thing or two about deep packet inspection! :pac:

Virgin Media: Jason

Guys

Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone interested.

UPC do NOT do this - you can take this as an official response.

Regards

Jason



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spooky donkey

when I first got my UPC in I got amazing speed on torrents. Now I never get more than 100k on any torrent so I was wondering if they did this.
Still Could be an issue with the PC. I must try it on another system.

Cuddlesworth

UPC: Jason wrote: »

Guys

Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone interested.

UPC do NOT do this - you can take this as an official response.

Regards

Jason

But you so obviously do. And you or one of your carriers throttle the **** out of filehosters based in Asia.

PogMoThoin

Lots of threads on here lately about slow speeds on UPC from filesharing sites

yoyo

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Lots of threads on here lately about slow speeds on UPC from filesharing sites

Fileserve does seem to be slow on UPC (Its fine using a download manager though)/Megaupload is unuseable free (30 or so kb/s)-fine on VPN but I'm not sure if UPC are to blame. I remember reading somewhere that Virgin in the UK (Cable bb there) had similiar problems. Rapidshare always works well on UPC.
I did the shaping test linked and it said that UPC don't throttle, its a weird one but I think there could be other variables here for UPC to be slow with certain file hosts,

Nick

Moriarty

It would be worth noting that those results are suspect - Smart Telecom don't do DPI either but are listed there.

Looks like the information is at least a year and a half out of date too?

PogMoThoin

Moriarty wrote: »

It would be worth noting that those results are suspect - Smart Telecom don't do DPI either but are listed there.

Looks like the information is at least a year and a half out of date too?

Smart have been owned by Digiweb since 2009. Digiweb have the reputation of being the cap kings, (nasty rolling caps and throttling etc)

Moriarty

.. Digiweb don't to do any DPI either.

PogMoThoin

Moriarty wrote: »

.. Digiweb don't to do any DPI either.

Do you work for them, how do you know they don't?

There's not a provider in the World that doesn't care about the effect torrenting customers has on their network.

MagicMarker

yoyo wrote: »

Fileserve does seem to be slow on UPC (Its fine using a download manager though)/Megaupload is unuseable free (30 or so kb/s)-fine on VPN but I'm not sure if UPC are to blame. I remember reading somewhere that Virgin in the UK (Cable bb there) had similiar problems. Rapidshare always works well on UPC.
I did the shaping test linked and it said that UPC don't throttle, its a weird one but I think there could be other variables here for UPC to be slow with certain file hosts,

Nick

Fileserve is absolutely fúcking useless! Using a premium account I never got more than 350kbps. With rapidshare I average 2.5mbps.

Moriarty

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Do you work for them,

Yes.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

how do you know they don't?

Because I'd be one of the people controlling it, if it existed.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

There's not a provider in the World that doesn't care about the effect torrenting customers has on their network.

Well, not really. ISPs can care about the amount of traffic their customers generate, but whether any/all of that is due to torrenting is of little concern to many of them. Digiweb and Smart Telecom don't use DPI and couldn't care less if all people did with their connections was torrent.

yoyo

MagicMarker wrote: »

Fileserve is absolutely fúcking useless! Using a premium account I never got more than 350kbps. With rapidshare I average 2.5mbps.

Agreed, although with multiple file downloads I get decent overall speeds

Nick

Lenny

yoyo wrote: »

Agreed, although with multiple file downloads I get decent overall speeds

Nick

have to aggree too, most times if i am downloading a single file on fileserve, I only get about 300ish too, but if I download multiple I can about 1.8mb.
the odd and I say odd tiem does a single file get 1.8mb... its strange

Cuddlesworth

Moriarty wrote: »

Well, not really. ISPs can care about the amount of traffic their customers generate, but whether any/all of that is due to torrenting is of little concern to many of them. Digiweb and Smart Telecom don't use DPI and couldn't care less if all people did with their connections was torrent.

And past your CSU/DSU? Just because you don't care, doesn't mean others don't.

Moriarty

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

And past your CSU/DSU? Just because you don't care, doesn't mean others don't.

Did I say different?

burt

UPC: Jason wrote: »

Guys

Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone interested.

UPC do NOT do this - you can take this as an official response.

Regards

Jason



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Jsaon,

The funding of these tests is sponsored by some big companies, such as Google and Amazon. You should reach out to the people behind the est and site and get this cleared up. If UPC aren't doing DPI then the tests & monitoring are severly flawed.

Cabaal

burt wrote: »

If UPC aren't doing DPI then the tests & monitoring are severly flawed.

They wouldn't be the first tests that are flawed.

People are taking these tests as FACT yet here we have two companys clearly saying the test is not accurate.

mickoneill30

So what do these results mean?

I'm with UPC and am able to max out my link (25Mb) with torrents.

Swampy

I get great torrent speeds but Megavideo has gotten so slow it's unusable.

M.J.M.C

mickoneill30 wrote: »

So what do these results mean?

I'm with UPC and am able to max out my link (25Mb) with torrents.

+1 with my 100Mb line

Anytime, Day or night!

No issues with bittorrent on upc EVER!

Cuddlesworth

Cabaal wrote: »

They wouldn't be the first tests that are flawed.

People are taking these tests as FACT yet here we have two companys clearly saying the test is not accurate.

And they are probably correct. But for UPC at least I know connections to Asia are throttled when connecting to popular filehosters. This is most likely done outside of their network somewhere in or on the way to Asia. But I have a contract with UPC which mentions nothing about throttling or DPI. Since their paid for links are doing this, it is UPC responsibility to ensure it doesn't happen to their customers. And since filehosters are throttled, bit torrent almost undoubtedly is. We wouldn't notice though as with popular torrents a fair portion or connections would most likely be within the EU boundary and on the UPC network or direct links to the UPC network.

These tests are surely testing all possible connections across the globe, not just each ISP's own internal network.

M.J.M.C

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

These tests are surely testing all possible connections across the globe, not just each ISP's own internal network.

Surely :rolleyes:

mickoneill30

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

But for UPC at least I know connections to Asia are throttled when connecting to popular filehosters.

That's interesting stuff. Have you got any info about that?

Blackdragon

mickoneill30 wrote: »

So what do these results mean?

I'm with UPC and am able to max out my link (25Mb) with torrents.

Same here - Never had any speed issues to date

Cuddlesworth

mickoneill30 wrote: »

That's interesting stuff. Have you got any info about that?

A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.

mickoneill30

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.

That doesn't rule out your infrastructure. Have you tried it in another persons house with UPC preferably someone in a different estate. If you give me your megaupload password I'll be happy to check for ya on mine

M.J.M.C

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.

Oh god!
That's a UPC fault indeed..
Post a link to a test file and I will test it on my 100Mb home connection

Sudsy86

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.

Be Curious to See a trace route if you have an IP...

Cuddlesworth

mickoneill30 wrote: »

That doesn't rule out your infrastructure. Have you tried it in another persons house with UPC preferably someone in a different estate. If you give me your megaupload password I'll be happy to check for ya on mine

My connection is fine, I work in a technical position with other people who have similar issues throughout our capital.

M.J.M.C wrote: »

Oh god!
That's a UPC fault indeed..
Post a link to a test file and I will test it on my 100Mb home connection

Difficult to find one that wouldn't get me banned.

http://www.fileserve.com/file/T2heezJ/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso

Can't tell you what speed my lines in work should currently get as its lunch time, the accessible ones are being hammered atm.

Sudsy86 wrote: »

Be Curious to See a trace route if you have an IP...

eircom tracert

Tracing route to www.fileserve.com [209.222.23.221]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     5 ms     5 ms     6 ms  
  2    24 ms    24 ms    25 ms  
  3    48 ms    38 ms    26 ms  
]
  4    27 ms    24 ms    26 ms  
.65]
  5    38 ms    27 ms    27 ms  tenge-2-2-1.pe1.cwm.cwm-cwm.eircom.net [86.43.252.178]
  6   125 ms   124 ms   121 ms  ge13-1-0.corea.cwm.dublin.eircom.net [86.43.244.45]
  7   106 ms   107 ms   108 ms  pos3-0-0.corea.hud.newyork.eircom.net [83.71.113.114]
  8   117 ms   109 ms   113 ms  nyiix.gi3-6.cr1.nyc1.choopa.net [198.32.160.157]

  9   116 ms   127 ms   121 ms  ve27-br1.ewr3.choopa.net [66.55.135.233]
 10   121 ms   125 ms   124 ms  vl3-c58-c6-1.ewr3.choopa.net [66.55.134.186]
 11   107 ms   110 ms   107 ms  209.222.7.82
 12   122 ms   122 ms   124 ms  209.222.7.86
 13   122 ms   123 ms   122 ms  209.222.23.221

I'll post up a UPC one this evening if you want.