British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?

Fratton Fred

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Because they tried to recruit me! and I have seen them outside jobcentres and at fairs etc targetting young lads at their lowest ebb.

I didnt know you were English actually, but it figures. However, I find it a little rich that you are on this thread arguing that Irish people should wear a Poppy.

If British people want to wear it then fair enough, I shant argue with them but Irish people need to wake up to what the Poppy is really about and it commemorates every single British solider that ever stepped foot in Ireland and the ones that remain in the north. If they support them then fair enough please fire ahead but dont expect me to like it.

The British Army were recruiting in Ireland? That's a bit odd isn't it.

I'm not saying Irish people should wear a poppy, but if you go back to me first post in this thread, I did day that I would expect people to respect someone elses right to wear a poppy.

And the British Army are in the North, because as part of the UK's armed forces, they have a right to be there, just as the PDF have a right to be in the Curragh.

slapbangwallop

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The British Army were recruiting in Ireland? That's a bit odd isn't it.

I'm not saying Irish people should wear a poppy, but if you go back to me first post in this thread, I did day that I would expect people to respect someone elses right to wear a poppy.

And the British Army are in the North, because as part of the UK's armed forces, they have a right to be there, just as the PDF have a right to be in the Curragh.

Who said I live in Ireland? But yes they have tried to directly recruit from Ireland (26).

Without opening up a debate that will bring us back to the 1920's and beyond lets just say that "we will agree to diagree on that" then.

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Because they tried to recruit me! and I have seen them outside jobcentres and at fairs etc targetting young lads at their lowest ebb.

I didnt know you were English actually, but it figures. However, I find it a little rich that you are on this thread arguing that Irish people should wear a Poppy.

If British people want to wear it then fair enough, I shant argue with them but Irish people need to wake up to what the Poppy is really about and it commemorates every single British solider that ever stepped foot in Ireland and the ones that remain in the north. If they support them then fair enough please fire ahead but dont expect me to like it.

Fred hasn't said that he believes Irish people should wear a poppy. Nobody has said that in any way. What has been defended by a few is the right of people to wear a poppy. In truth, this thread has never really been about the wearing of the poppy by the Irish but about what people believe it stands for. Hilarious and utterly futile when you look at it in that manner as it is inherently a hugely personal symbol to most people.

Your hatred and anger is unfortunate I suppose but nobody is expecting anybody to like it - I don't think anybody who wears one (in Britain at least) particularly cares of the international opinion of this significant time of year.

Some of the personal comments have been unneccesary in this thread I think (I shall not lie, I have personally insulted one or two) but what has been most saddening is the fact that people have manufactured arguments to suit their begrudging viewpoints. Things such as the motives behind wearing a poppy, what it represents, the intellectual capacity of those who fight in the British Armed Forces etc. It has been quite cringeworthy at times.

slapbangwallop

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Fred hasn't said that he believes Irish people should wear a poppy. Nobody has said that in any way. What has been defended by a few is the right of people to wear a poppy. In truth, this thread has never really been about the wearing of the poppy by the Irish but about what people believe it stands for. Hilarious and utterly futile when you look at it in that manner as it is inherently a hugely personal symbol to most people.

Your hatred and anger is unfortunate I suppose but nobody is expecting anybody to like it - I don't think anybody who wears one (in Britain at least) particularly cares of the international opinion of this significant time of year.

Some of the personal comments have been unneccesary in this thread I think (I shall not lie, I have personally insulted one or two) but what has been most saddening is the fact that people have manufactured arguments to suit their begrudging viewpoints. Things such as the motives behind wearing a poppy, what it represents, the intellectual capacity of those who fight in the British Armed Forces etc. It has been quite cringeworthy at times.

Oh another English person coming on here to tell Irish people what they shoud do or think.

Read the thread title "British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?"

Do you know what, we can make our minds up with the three English cheerleaders (Fratton, Audrey and You) telling us what we need to think.

I love the way are trying to portray people that disagree with your viewpoint as having "hatred and anger" or being "begrudging".

Actually no, you are wrong. Like I said, my uncle and grandfather were in the British Army during World War II.

I just think it is incredibly stupid that Irish people would want to pay homage (and fund!) a force that occupied their country for hundreds or years and caused untold misery.

It is an issue that doesnt occupy my every waking day but since the subject has been raised I would ratheruse rational logic than PC propaganda.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/07/ex-sas-soldier-blasts-poppy-appeal-as-a-political-tool-91466-27614172/

old hippy

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Oh another English person coming on here to tell Irish people what they shoud do or think.

Read the thread title "British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?"

Do you know what, we can make our minds up with the three English cheerleaders (Fratton, Audrey and You) telling us what we need to think.

I love the way are trying to portray people that disagree with your viewpoint as having "hatred and anger" or being "begrudging".

Actually no, you are wrong. Like I said, my uncle and grandfather were in the British Army during World War II.

I just think it is incredibly stupid that Irish people would want to pay homage (and fund!) a force that occupied their country for hundreds or years and caused untold misery.

It is an issue that doesnt occupy my every waking day but since the subject has been raised I would ratheruse rational logic than PC propaganda.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/07/ex-sas-soldier-blasts-poppy-appeal-as-a-political-tool-91466-27614172/

Everyone's entitled to their views, all the same. Be they Irish, English or otherwise, no?

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Oh another English person coming on here to tell Irish people what they shoud do or think.

Read the thread title "British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?"

Do you know what, we can make our minds up with the three English cheerleaders (Fratton, Audrey and You) telling us what we need to think.

I love the way are trying to portray people that disagree with your viewpoint as having "hatred and anger" or being "begrudging".

Actually no, you are wrong. Like I said, my uncle and grandfather were in the British Army during World War II.

I just think it is incredibly stupid that Irish people would want to pay homage (and fund!) a force that occupied their country for hundreds or years and caused untold misery.

It is an issue that doesnt occupy my every waking day but since the subject has been raised I would ratheruse rational logic than PC propaganda.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/07/ex-sas-soldier-blasts-poppy-appeal-as-a-political-tool-91466-27614172/

Did you not bother to read my post or are you just a "mong"? :pac: I think it is rather ironic though that you say I am just

another English person coming on here to tell Irish people what they shoud do or think.

when in fact I started my post with

Fred hasn't said that he believes Irish people should wear a poppy. Nobody has said that in any way. What has been defended by a few is the right of people to wear a poppy.

Not only that, you followed up with this

I just think it is incredibly stupid that Irish people would want to pay homage (and fund!) a force that occupied their country

showing that you have in fact been far more forceful with your opinions of what the Irish should and shouldn't do at this time of year.

Your point on the hatred and anger - I say that as a result of you blindly insulting any young person who decides that a career in the British Armed Forces would suit them. I assume you really aren't so stupid as to believe that every person who does so (a large number of them are extremely intelligent - admission to Sandhust [not sanhurst] is currently hugely competitive and therefore only the most intelligent, articulate and able are admitted) is a "mong" and that such a statement arose from a sense of frustration/anger as opposed to sheer idiocy. Maybe you have just corrected be and you are indeed a moron - will teach me to give people the benefit of the doubt I suppose.

Dozen Wicked Words

Yes (I'm Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Actually no, you are wrong. Like I said, my uncle and grandfather were in the British Army during World War II.

I just think it is incredibly stupid that Irish people would want to pay homage (and fund!) a force that occupied their country for hundreds or years and caused untold misery.

It is an issue that doesnt occupy my every waking day but since the subject has been raised I would ratheruse rational logic than PC propaganda.

Couple of things, the poll created by the OP has a option for British people, so therefore comment should surely be expected?

Don't think the British Legion fund the British Army (yet anyway, Cameron might use that to help with his cutbacks).

It is a bit sad that the media in the UK are so obsessive about everyone on screen having a poppy, it devalues it for me. They aren't wearing them through choice, they are wearing them because someone shoves one on their lapel before they go on. Zero feeling behind it, its just the "expected" thing to do. I would not object if anyone, from any country, chooses to wear the poppy, and not offended at all if the don't. BBC/ITV/Sky certainly seem to object, just try and count people not wearing poppies on their current affairs output. You won't find too many.

slapbangwallop

old hippy wrote: »

Everyone's entitled to their views, all the same. Be they Irish, English or otherwise, no?

Everyone is entitled to a view of course, however, considering the topic title I wouldnt consider that my opinion about whether or not the pedestrainisation of Norwich High Street was a good thing is as valid as someone that owns a shop on said High Street. If you get my meaning.

old hippy

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to a view of course, however, considering the topic title I wouldnt consider that my opinion about whether or not the pedestrainisation of Norwich High Street was a good thing is as valid as someone that owns a shop on said High Street. If you get my meaning.

A local topic for local people, eh? How parochial :rolleyes:

I think we need a section like the Irish Times Generation Emmigration - seeing as there's so many of us outside the country these days

slapbangwallop

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Your point on the hatred and anger - I say that as a result of you blindly insulting any young person who decides that a career in the British Armed Forces would suit them. I assume you really aren't so stupid as to believe that every person who does so (a large number of them are extremely intelligent - admission to Sandhust [not sanhurst] is currently hugely competitive and therefore only the most intelligent, articulate and able are admitted) is a "mong" and that such a statement arose from a sense of frustration/anger as opposed to sheer idiocy. Maybe you have just corrected be and you are indeed a moron - will teach me to give people the benefit of the doubt I suppose.

You will have to forgive me but I have picked up a touch of malware and it doesnt type out every letter I type when uing internet explorer and I cant be arsed to copyedt my posts.

Riddle me this, what % of the Britsh Army's numbers get to go to Sandhurst (a rotten class ridden nepotistic (is that a word?) bigotted instituation itself) and what % are recruited from deprived northern towns and cities?

slapbangwallop

dooferoaks wrote: »

Couple of things, the poll created by the OP has a option for British people, so therefore comment should surely be expected?

Don't think the British Legion fund the British Army (yet anyway, Cameron might use that to help with his cutbacks).

It is a bit sad that the media in the UK are so obsessive about everyone on screen having a poppy, it devalues it for me. They aren't wearing them through choice, they are wearing them because someone shoves one on their lapel before they go on. Zero feeling behind it, its just the "expected" thing to do. I would not object if anyone, from any country, chooses to wear the poppy, and not offended at all if the don't. BBC/ITV/Sky certainly seem to object, just try and count people not wearing poppies on their current affairs output. You won't find too many.

I agree with a lot of that.

The Poppy is portrayed in the media as simple way toremember those that gave their live or served during WWI & II.

If it was as simple as that then there wouldnt be half the amount of controverse surrounding it.

I think its dsengenuous to have a Poppy that proporting to be one thing but actually commemortates another.

I think that if Irish people knew that the Poppy commemorated all Britsh soliders that occupied Ireland they would have a different view on the subject.

AudreyHepburn

No (I'm British/not Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

I'm not embarrassed. I love my grandfather and named my only son after him. He is embarrassed about it. Read my post.

P.S. Are you Irish? Legit question.

Well that is really quite sad.....he should be proud of himself and you shouldn't be adding to his embarresment by expressing the opinions you are.

Not that my heritage is relevent or any of your business but yes I am Irish born and bred as I stated in my first post.

slapbangwallop

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Well that is really quite sad.....he should be proud of himself and you shouldn't be adding to his embarresment by expressing the opinions you are.

Not that my heritage is relevent or any of your business but yes I am Irish born and bred as I stated in my first post.

So my opinions are embarrassing because I dont want to be associated with the soliders that murdered innocent civilians on Bloody Sunday or any other British solider that set foot in Ireland during their long occupation.

What an odd sort of opinion that is.

Badgermonkey

No (I'm Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

I wouldnt consider that my opinion about whether or not the pedestrainisation of Norwich High Street was a good thing is as valid as someone that owns a shop on said High Street. If you get my meaning.

You're paraphrasing Alan Partridge, possibly not the greatest means by which to proffer a cogent argument.

AudreyHepburn

No (I'm British/not Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

So my opinions are embarrassing because I dont want to be associated with the soliders that murdered innocent civilians on Bloody Sunday or any other British solider that set foot in Ireland during their long occupation.

What an odd sort of opinion that is.

IF the above was how you genuinely felt then I'd understand that.......but I'm not so sure thats whats really going here.

You simply strike me as anti-British and that is what you should be embarressed about, there's no need for it in this day and age.

But I'd rather not keep arguing without some-one who thinks I'm ignorant and uneducated so maybe it's best to leave it here.

Morag

No (I'm Irish)

Fratton Fred & slapbangwallop how do you feel about the wearing of the easter lily as a symbol on par with the poppy?

It wasn't me!

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Riddle me this, what % of the Britsh Army's numbers get to go to Sandhurst (a rotten class ridden nepotistic (is that a word?) bigotted instituation itself) and what % are recruited from deprived northern towns and cities?

So, exactly what is your experience of Sandhurst which qualifies you to make judgements like that?

slapbangwallop

Badgermonkey wrote: »

You're paraphrasing Alan Partridge, possibly not the greatest means by which to proffer a cogent argument.

How very dare you, Alan is a legend of rational thought.

Monkey tennis?

Fratton Fred

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Oh another English person coming on here to tell Irish people what they shoud do or think.

Read the thread title "British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?"

Do you know what, we can make our minds up with the three English cheerleaders (Fratton, Audrey and You) telling us what we need to think.

I love the way are trying to portray people that disagree with your viewpoint as having "hatred and anger" or being "begrudging".

Actually no, you are wrong. Like I said, my uncle and grandfather were in the British Army during World War II.

I just think it is incredibly stupid that Irish people would want to pay homage (and fund!) a force that occupied their country for hundreds or years and caused untold misery.

It is an issue that doesnt occupy my every waking day but since the subject has been raised I would ratheruse rational logic than PC propaganda.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/07/ex-sas-soldier-blasts-poppy-appeal-as-a-political-tool-91466-27614172/

So an Englishman living in Ireland can't even defend his nations symbol of remembrance, but an Irishman living in England has the right to boss his ex countrymen around?

ejmaztec

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So an Englishman living in Ireland can't even defend his nations symbol of remembrance, but an Irishman living in England has the right to boss his ex countrymen around?

He's only annoyed because Sandhurst head-hunters didn't try to recruit him.

Fratton Fred

Sharrow wrote: »

Fratton Fred & slapbangwallop how do you feel about the wearing of the easter lily as a symbol on par with the poppy?

If people want to wear the Lily then good luck to them, it is a different symbol to the Poppy, because it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) represent anyone in an ongoing conflict. I would respect the right of anyone to remember those who dies for Irish independence.

However, the lily that has been hijacked by the republican movement has the blood of innocent people on it. Anyone who berates the poppy, but wears the SF/IRA poppy is a hypocrite.

Fratton Fred

ejmaztec wrote: »

He's only annoyed because Sandhurst head-hunters didn't try to recruit him.

All those years being buggered at boarding school completely wasted!

ejmaztec

Fratton Fred wrote: »

All those years being buggered at boarding school completely wasted!

It gives them more incentive to head for the front and not look back.

Morlar

Fratton Fred wrote: »

the lily that has been hijacked by the republican movement has the blood of innocent people on it. Anyone who berates the poppy, but wears the SF/IRA poppy is a hypocrite.

The poppy commemorates the British Army, including those who occuppied this country and have Irish blood on their hands. What makes you think any self respecting Irish person should commemorate the forces that occuppied their own country and murdered their own fellow country men ? Would you ?

The Easter Lily commemorates those who rose up against and fought those forces.

FetchTheGin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If people want to wear the Lily then good luck to them, it is a different symbol to the Poppy, because it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) represent anyone in an ongoing conflict. I would respect the right of anyone to remember those who dies for Irish independence.

However, the lily that has been hijacked by the republican movement has the blood of innocent people on it. Anyone who berates the poppy, but wears the SF/IRA poppy is a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

The B.A. is responsible for the oppression and destruction of not just Irish, but many people over the world. So the blood of many innocents is in their hands.

slapbangwallop

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If people want to wear the Lily then good luck to them, it is a different symbol to the Poppy, because it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) represent anyone in an ongoing conflict. I would respect the right of anyone to remember those who dies for Irish independence.

However, the lily that has been hijacked by the republican movement has the blood of innocent people on it. Anyone who berates the poppy, but wears the SF/IRA poppy is a hypocrite.

The Easter Lily commemorates those that were killed or executed during the 1916 Rising.

Somehow we have come to a scenario in Ireland where is it more acceptable to wear a Poppy commemorate those that came to Ireland occupy te country and kill Irishmen then it is to wear an icon commemorating those that tried to free Ireland. Simplistic yes, but its not feasible write a thesis here, but it does sound bizarre doesnt it.

I agree the Lily has been hijacked by some but to the same degree the Poppy in Ireland has been hijacked by Unionists and Loyalist.

I havent an issue with British people like Fred wearing a Poppy, my issue is with Irish people wearing the Poppy when they are ignorant of what the symbol means or supports and simply stupidly state "My grandfather fought in WWI".

K-9

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

The B.A. is responsible for the oppression and destruction of not just Irish, but many people over the world. So the blood of many innocents is in their hands.

The IRA killed a few in Europe as well!

Fratton Fred

Morlar wrote: »

The poppy commemorates the British Army, including those who occuppied this country and have Irish blood on their hands. What makes you think any self respecting Irish person should commemorate the forces that occuppied their own country and murdered their own fellow country men ? Would you ?

The Easter Lily commemorates those who rose up against and fought those forces.

I know you can read, as I have read a lot of your posts, so how come you have had a mental block here?

Morlar

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I know you can read, as I have read a lot of your posts, so how come you have had a mental block here?

Answer the question. You are a patriotic British person. Would you reasonably expect your fellow British Citizens to commemorate an army which occuppied your country and enforced an oppresive regime that murdered countless of your own fellow country men ? Would you commemorate that ?

LordSutch

No (I'm Irish)

May I suggest that any of the poppy 'nay sayers' living on the South side of Dublin to take a trip to 'Christ Church Bray' sometime this week. Currently there is a massive World War I & World War II exhibition/ Flower festival running daily leading up to Sunday the 13th. The Church is full of the names of those young lads (primarily from Bray) who perished in the Geat War & WWII. If you are peckish there is soup & sanwiches/ teas coffee too.

Write up in today's Irish Independent (page 2/3).

PS: Wrap up well, the church is deliberately cold in oder to preserve the thousands of poppies/flowers in the exhibition.

Morlar

LordSutch wrote: »

May I suggest that any of the poppy 'nay sayers' living on the South side of Dublin to take a trip to 'Christ Church Bray' sometime this week. Currently there is a massive World War I & World War II exhibition/ Flower festival running daily leading up to Sunday the 13th. The Church is full of the names of those young lads (primarily from Bray) who perished in the Geat War & WWII. If you are peckish there is soup & sanwiches/ teas coffee too.

Write up in today's Irish Independent (page 2/3).

PS: Wap up well, the church is deliberately cold in oder to preserve the thousands of poppies/flowers in the exhibition.

I have been to that in previous years.

You absolutely 100% categorically DO NOT need a poppy to either go there, have an interest in WWI or to commemorate Irish who died in WWI.

Back to you Fred.

Fratton Fred

slapbangwallop wrote: »

The Easter Lily commemorates those that were killed or executed during the 1916 Rising.

Somehow we have come to a scenario in Ireland where is it more acceptable to wear a Poppy commemorate those that came to Ireland occupy te country and kill Irishmen then it is to wear an icon commemorating those that tried to free Ireland. Simplistic yes, but its not feasible write a thesis here, but it does sound bizarre doesnt it.

I agree the Lily has been hijacked by some but to the same degree the Poppy in Ireland has been hijacked by Unionists and Loyalist.

I havent an issue with British people like Fred wearing a Poppy, my issue is with Irish people wearing the Poppy when they are ignorant of what the symbol means or supports and simply stupidly state "My grandfather fought in WWI".

I think you have hit on a couple of valid points there.

There are two Poppies, as there are two Lilies. One that is a flower and is used as a symbol of remembrance. The other is a manufactured item that is sold for fund raising, be that for the RBL or the dependents of republican prisoners.

I don't think anyone could have an issue with the former, but the latter is always going to be contentious.

And I agree with you, the Poppy means something very different in Britain. We had conscription, which meant that the majority of those killed in WWI and WWII were not gung ho young men seeking a life of adventure, they were ordinary joe soaps forced into the army.

Wolfe Tone

The majority of Easter Lilys are sold by the NGA, the national graves association. The funds go towards looking after the graves of Irish patriots, they fixed up Wolfe Tones over the summer for example.

Celly Smunt

No (I'm Irish)

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

The B.A. is responsible for the oppression and destruction of not just Irish, but many people over the world. So the blood of many innocents is in their hands.

so are the french,germans, Portuguese,spanish what's your point?

LordSutch

No (I'm Irish)

Morlar wrote: »

I have been to that in previous years.

You absolutely 100% categorically DO NOT need a poppy to either go there, have an interest in WWI or to commemorate Irish who died in WWI.

Back to you Fred.

This is the 1st year that the poppy/flower festival has run in conjunction with the Geat War exhibition, there is little resemblance to previous years!

And by the way, Morlar is 100% corect, you DO NOT need to wear a poppy.

FetchTheGin

pmcmahon wrote: »

so are the french,germans, Portuguese,spanish what's your point?

Great comparison. :rolleyes:

You don't see anyone walking around with commemorative swastikas in memory of fallen Nazi soldiers.

Fratton Fred

Morlar wrote: »

Answer the question. You are a patriotic British person. Would you reasonably expect your fellow British Citizens to commemorate an army which occuppied your country and enforced an oppresive regime that murdered countless of your own fellow country men ? Would you commemorate that ?

Oh please, enough of the "Feel sorry for my forefathers" routine.

I don't expect British people to commemorate the German's that died in WWII (they were fighting for an oppressive regime and did try to invade my country) but I have no problem with people who wish to do that. I think it is right to acknowledge all casualties of war.

But then, I don't wallow in self pity.

FetchTheGin

K-9 wrote: »

The IRA killed a few in Europe as well!

WTF has this got to do with anything?!

Fratton Fred

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

The B.A. is responsible for the oppression and destruction of not just Irish, but many people over the world. So the blood of many innocents is in their hands.

Name a country that doesn't.

Celly Smunt

No (I'm Irish)

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Great comparison. :rolleyes:

You don't see anyone walking around with commemorative swastikas in memory of fallen Nazi soldiers.

in certain places you would,however they're just your typical scummy holocaust sympathiser.

However you may want to note there were and are German armies other than the one from 1939-1945 :rolleyes:

FetchTheGin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Name a country that doesn't.

Jesus Christ.

You go on and on and on and on and on and on about the IRA being a bunch of murderous thugs, yet anytime someone criticises the B.A. for their invasion and destruction of many countries, the best you have to offer in way of debate is "shure all countries have their demons".

Like I said, Hypocritical and pointless.

Celly Smunt

No (I'm Irish)

There is no reason for an Irish person to Flaunt a poppy around Dublin,I have my poppy hung up out of general view from the outside but noticeable on the inside of my car,there's no need to shove your opinion down peoples throats in public,however there is no reason not to donate to the poppy appeal if that way inclined.

Fratton Fred

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

You go on and on and on and on and on and on about the IRA being a bunch of murderous thugs, yet anytime someone criticises the B.A. for their invasion and destruction of many countries, the best you have to offer in way of debate is "shure all countries have their demons".

Like I said, Hypocritical and pointless.

What have the IRA got to do with this?

Are you telling me I shouldn't remember them men and women that died in WWI and II because Britain had an empire?

What a load of ****e.

Celly Smunt

No (I'm Irish)

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

You go on and on and on and on and on and on about the IRA being a bunch of murderous thugs, yet anytime someone criticises the B.A. for their invasion and destruction of many countries, the best you have to offer in way of debate is "shure all countries have their demons".

Like I said, Hypocritical and pointless.

There was nothing in most of the countries to be Destroyed to be honest,if anything it brought the countries up.

FetchTheGin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What have the IRA got to do with this?

You seem to casually include them in every thread including this one, so I could ask you the same thing.

pmcmahon wrote: »

There was nothing in most of the countries to be Destroyed to be honest,if anything it brought the countries up.

Oh dear lord.

Morlar

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Oh please, enough of the "Feel sorry for my forefathers" routine.

I don't expect British people to commemorate the German's that died in WWII (they were fighting for an oppressive regime and did try to invade my country) but I have no problem with people who wish to do that. I think it is right to acknowledge all casualties of war.

But then, I don't wallow in self pity.

So that would be a no then.

No, you would not expect British people to commemorate an army if that army had occuppied your country and murdered your fellow countrymen.

You can dismiss that as 'Self pity' all you like, it's just your way of trying to sidestep the facts of this situation.

The fact is you on here expecting Irish people to do what you yourself acknowledge British people would never in a million years do.

Fratton Fred

Morlar wrote: »

The fact is you on here expecting Irish people to do what you yourself acknowledge British people would never in a million years do.

This is why I question your reading ability. Not once have I said that I expect Irish people to wear the Poppy and twice (now three times) I have pointed this out.

Rabble rabble 800 years rabble famine rabble.

FetchTheGin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Rabble rabble 800 years rabble famine rabble.

Wouldn't expect any less from you other than this BS.

I'm out.

Celly Smunt

No (I'm Irish)

FetchTheGin wrote: »

Wouldn't expect any less from you other than this BS.

I'm out.

but that is the exact reaction every republican presents to argue a case,no view of the future but only a deluded tunnel vision view of the past.Typical.

Morlar

pmcmahon wrote: »

but that is the exact reaction every republican presents to argue a case,no view of the future but only a deluded tunnel vision view of the past.Typical.

I think if anyone on this thread has a 'deluded tunnel vision of the past' it's those arguing in favour of Irish people wearing a British Legion Poppy.


To me that would be the epitomy of a 'Deluded tunnel vision view of the Past'.