British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?

Fratton Fred

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You have it easy, as an Irishman living in Scotland I nearly got lynched for wearing an Easter Lilly one Easter

Unfortunately the "Green Army" give the Irish a bad name in Scotland around this time of year
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slapbangwallop

What I find interesting is that its somehow become "socially acceptable" wear a Poppy which commemorates ALL British 'escapades' in this country yet its still sneered upon to wear a Lily to commemorate those that fought to "Free Ireland".

Strange people!

:cool:

Greenmachine

Absolutely not the idea digusts me.

4leto

LordSutch wrote: »

Jezus, where do they get them :rolleyes:

Either you live in a parrallel universe, or you are too young to know any better? I live in Dublin & I wear the Poppy every year to commerate my Irish grandad and the fifty thousand other Irish men who died in the Great War & WWII, we also commerate all the other people who died in the two world wars. the Poppy is the perfect symbol to commerate the futility of war, and the reason the poppy is used is because that is what grows on Flanders Fields, where so many good Irish, British, Canadian, American, & German men died . . . . .

Come the week leading up to the 11th/Nov I will as usual be wearing my poppy on the streets of Dublin as a mark of respect to those who died for our freedom against the tyranny of the enemy, in the Great War & World War II. On the 11th/Nov I will be attending 'St patricks Cathedral Dublin' to mark the Armistice itself which was signed at the 11th hour, on the 11th Day, of the 11th Month (the President usually attends), and on the nearest Sunday to the 11th, my local Parish Church in South Dublin will also hold a service of commeration, poppies will be worn by most of the congregation & the last post played by a lone bugler as the names of the fallen 'from that parish' are read out . . . . . . .

Every year we get a thread about this, and every year its learning time again (for some) who are either too young to know about the poppy, or who missed some of their history lessons in school.

+1 it also has to be mentioned that the Irish volunteers of the great war did so on the encouragement of John Redmond and the home rule party. So they weren't fighting for the British empire but on the promise of home rule. I know its more complex then that, but that does not matter. They were Irish soldiers who fought and died in a war on orders from their political masters in a cause they thought was just.

slapbangwallop

drakshug wrote: »

I didn't even know what the significance of an Easter lily was until I moved here and I doubt many Scots do.

You'd be wrong there, very wrong. Glasgow excels in producing a special brand of bigot that latches on to any display of "Irishness" and ensures he (invariably a he) can reach into his phrase book with a rather witty retort whenever they see a Lily, or a crucifix, or an Ireland jersey or an O' infront of your name.

Really hilarious and intelligent chaps I assure you.

getz

No (I'm British/not Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

What I find interesting is that its somehow become "socially acceptable" wear a Poppy which commemorates ALL British 'escapades' in this country yet its still sneered upon to wear a Lily to commemorate those that fought to "Free Ireland".

Strange people!

:cool:

the poppy is not only about the british armed forces,it is also in memory of those who died in the merchant and fishing fleets during the war,[civilians] many of them irishmen working on both british and irish merchant ships,i do take it that you know that irish merchant ships were also sunk by the enemy with a loss of life

slapbangwallop

getz wrote: »

the poppy is not only about the british armed forces,it is also in memory of those who died in the merchant and fishing fleets during the war,[civilians] many of them irishmen working on both british and irish merchant ships,i do take it that you know that irish merchant ships were also sunk by the enemy with a loss of life

I said it commemorates ALL fallen British servicemen - so I am not sure fishermen are actually included but the Merchant Navy would be. But it doesnt commemorate regular Irish merchant ships.

It does commemorate those that could have been shooting kids in the back on Bloody Sunday though.

There! Someone finally said it. :eek:

The thing is that it has been appropriated (especially in the North and in Scotland) and it can be seen as a rather controversial political statement.

It is seen by many as a political symbol representing support for the British Army as well unionism and Britishness. Thats just the way it is.

Many people regonise that tis has happened as well with the Lily in Ireland. However, as I have noted above I find it curious that it is almost more acceptable to wear a Poppy in Ireland than a Lily.

Only in Ireland!

slapbangwallop

getz wrote: »

the poppy is not only about the british armed forces,it is also in memory of those who died in the merchant and fishing fleets during the war,[civilians] many of them irishmen working on both british and irish merchant ships,i do take it that you know that irish merchant ships were also sunk by the enemy with a loss of life

WRONG!!!!

Even if it did that "irish merchant ships" wouldnt be the main drive off it, and dont kid yourself that it would.

It would be like walking around Kent with a Swastika armband and saying that it was to commemorate that magnificent engineering that went into the Autobahns.

As my dear old Grandma used to say "dont piss in my pocket and tell me its raining"

Tiocfaidh Armani

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You have it easy, as an Irishman living in Scotland I nearly got lynched for wearing an Easter Lilly one Easter

Never had any bother, lucky me;):D

4leto

slapbangwallop wrote: »

WRONG!!!!

Even if it did that "irish merchant ships" wouldnt be the main drive off it, and dont kid yourself that it would.

It would be like walking around Kent with a Swastika armband and saying that it was to commemorate that magnificent engineering that went into the Autobahns.

As my dear old Grandma used to say "dont piss in my pocket and tell me its raining"

OK do you think the fallen British, American, French, Russians, Irish ETC did a good service to, not only Europe and Asia, but the world in fighting a genuine menace and evil in the world at that time which was the NAZIs and imperial Japan. Should we be at least grateful. Hitler did have plans for Ireland and they were not pleasant for our inferior race.

Fratton Fred

slapbangwallop wrote: »

It is seen by many as a political symbol representing support for the British Army as well unionism and Britishness. Thats just the way it is.

Many people regonise that tis has happened as well with the Lily in Ireland. However, as I have noted above I find it curious that it is almost more acceptable to wear a Poppy in Ireland than a Lily.

Only in Ireland!

That is very true. Too many people concentrate on the negatives. As you say, the poppy could be seen as commemorating those that murdered people on bloody sunday, whilst ignoring the hundreds of thousands of people who served with distinction.

As with the lilly, people may recognise that as commemorating the people who carried numerous attrocites, but ignoring Pearce and Co.

Its a shame that symbols get hijacked, but the only way to deal with it is to reclaim those symbols.

slapbangwallop

4leto wrote: »

OK do you think the fallen British, American, French, Russians, Irish ETC did a good service to not only Europe and Asia but the world in fighting a genuine menace and evil in the world at that time which was the NAZIs and imperial Japan. Should we be at least grateful. Hitler did have plans for Ireland and tey were not pleasant for our inferior race.

Eh?? Thats not really the issue being discussed is it?

Britain had plans for Ireland as well and instead of making up what spurious potentially evil plans that Hitler may or may not have had in mind for this little island we should really focus on the **** storm that Britain ACTUALLY DID hand us instead!

No need for conjecture there, their bastarding murderous plans are well documented, so you will have to forgive me if I avoid commemorating their actions in Ireland - which is what the Poppy does.

Toodle pip!

Morlar

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That is very true. Too many people concentrate on the negatives. As you say, the poppy could be seen as commemorating those that murdered people on bloody sunday, whilst ignoring the hundreds of thousands of people who served with distinction.

As with the lilly, people may recognise that as commemorating the people who carried numerous attrocites, but ignoring Pearce and Co.

Its a shame that symbols get hijacked, but the only way to deal with it is to reclaim those symbols.

You havent explained to begin with why is that Irish people should adopt the Red British Legion poppy to remember our war dead ? Why should we also acknowledge the Black and Tans and Bloody Sunday Paras ? Why should we honour those scumbags also ?

As well as that, why is it so difficult for the southern-unionist side of this discussion to acknowledge the sensitivity of this issue ?

4leto

Because the Lily is loaded and it is not only about the fallen Irish who fought in the war of independence, it is still seen as a token of resistance to British rule in the 6 counties. I for one voted to relinquish our constitutional claim on those counties.

So if we want to remember the fallen in resisting British rule I would say yes, but some other ceremony, perhaps a parade, but not a lily.

slapbangwallop

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That is very true. Too many people concentrate on the negatives. As you say, the poppy could be seen as commemorating those that murdered people on bloody sunday, whilst ignoring the hundreds of thousands of people who served with distinction.

As with the lilly, people may recognise that as commemorating the people who carried numerous attrocites, but ignoring Pearce and Co.

Its a shame that symbols get hijacked, but the only way to deal with it is to reclaim those symbols.

I agree with you to a degree, but surely you would think that Irish people would be more inclined to reclaim their own symbol, the symbol to cmmemorate those that fought to 'Free Ireland' rather that a symbol that largely commemorates those that came to occupy this country.

who the fug

slapbangwallop wrote: »

I agree with you to a degree, but surely you would think that Irish people would be more inclined to reclaim their own symbol, the symbol to cmmemorate those that fought to 'Free Ireland' rather that a symbol that largely commemorates those that came to occupy this country.

Or like my gran uncle quiet happy to wear both symbols as well as collect both pensions, it is not black and white

Also a previous poster

wearing a poppy does not make you a southern unionist

Tiocfaidh Armani

slapbangwallop wrote: »

I agree with you to a degree, but surely you would think that Irish people would be more inclined to reclaim their own symbol, the symbol to cmmemorate those that fought to 'Free Ireland' rather that a symbol that largely commemorates those that came to occupy this country.

You're 100% on the ball. What he misses is that Britain's wars have been largely imperialist and have been about denying other people's freedom. The Lily represents those who fought for our freedom and, for me, was a noble cause worth remembering and commemorating, despite whatever bad deeds were carried out. we're pragmatic enough to know there was without that negating from the fact that our freedom struggle was a noble one.

Britain's wars noble? With the odd exception that's a very big NO.

I think Pádraig Pearse summed conflict up well when he said, war is a terrible thing but war is not an evil thing. It's the things that make war necessary that are evil.

Madam

No (I'm Irish)

4leto wrote: »

Because the Lily is loaded and it is not only about the fallen Irish who fought in the war of independence, it is still seen as a token of resistance to British rule in the 6 counties. I for one voted to relinquish our constitutional claim on those counties.

So if we want to remember the fallen in resisting British rule I would say yes, but some other ceremony, perhaps a parade, but not a lily.

Oh no just what Ireland needs - more bloody parades:rolleyes:

As for the poppy, as an Irishwoman living in Scotland I don't have a problem wearing it(just for one day mind you - I can't be doing with those who seem to wear it for the whole of November). As for the lily if I'm in Ireland at Easter I'll wear one - why would I want to wear one over here it would'nt mean anything to most Scots why should it?

slapbangwallop

4leto wrote: »

Because the Lily is loaded and it is not only about the fallen Irish who fought in the war of independence, it is still seen as a token of resistance to British rule in the 6 counties. I for one voted to relinquish our constitutional claim on those counties.

So if we want to remember the fallen in resisting British rule I would say yes, but some other ceremony, perhaps a parade, but not a lily.

what am I dealing with here? :rolleyes:

Yes, I have already said that the Lily is loaded, but so is the Poppy!

The Poppy implies support for the British Army today, it implies a Unionist agenda,it implies Britishness.

slapbangwallop

who the fug wrote: »

Or like my gran uncle quiet happy to wear both symbols as well as collect both pensions, it is not black and white

Also a previous poster

wearing a poppy does not make you a southern unionist

My Grandfather and Uncle enlisted in the British Army, I think they got cushy jobs in the signals somewhere near Manchester, they did it for the cash, simples! I dont feel the need to wear Poppy to commemorate that, just like I dont need to buy a Happy Meal to support my niece that has part time job in Mcdonalds!!

No you are right its doesnt make you a southern Unionist but it can imply it.

And by wearing one I dont think you can ignore that others will rightly consider that you are commemorating British soliders that served in Northern Ireland AND the Black and Tans - because it does.

http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg

who the fug

slapbangwallop wrote: »

My Grandfather and Uncle enlisted in the British Army, I think they got cushy jobs in the signals somewhere near Manchester, they did it for the cash, simples! I dont feel the need to wear Poppy to commemorate that, just like I dont need to buy a Happy Meal to support my niece that has part time job in Mcdonalds!!

No you are right its doesnt make you a southern Unionist but it can imply it.

And by wearing one I dont think you can ignore that others will rightly consider that you are commemorating British soliders that served in Northern Ireland AND the Black and Tans - because it does.

http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg

and wearing a lily would commemorate Eniskillen etc

slapbangwallop

who the fug wrote: »

and wearing a lily would commemorate Eniskillen etc

is that what your argument has come down to?

Would wearing a Poppy commemorate the carpet bombing of Dresden?

Fratton Fred

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

You're 100% on the ball. What he misses is that Britain's wars have been largely imperialist and have been about denying other people's freedom. The Lily represents those who fought for our freedom and, for me, was a noble cause worth remembering and commemorating, despite whatever bad deeds were carried out. we're pragmatic enough to know there was without that negating from the fact that our freedom struggle was a noble one.

Britain's wars noble? With the odd exception that's a very big NO.

I think Pádraig Pearse summed conflict up well when he said, war is a terrible thing but war is not an evil thing. It's the things that make war necessary that are evil.

Most of Britain's wars were with other imperial nations, ably and willingly assisted by the Irish of course.

It always amuses me the self righteous moral highground some Irish people take, conveniently forgetting that their forefathers were there fighting for the empire and picking up the spoils alongside everyone else.

who the fug

slapbangwallop wrote: »

is that what your argument has come down to?

Would wearing a Poppy commemorate the carpet bombing of Dresden?

See you one Kingsmill

stewie01

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

You're 100% on the ball. What he misses is that Britain's wars have been largely imperialist and have been about denying other people's freedom. The Lily represents those who fought for our freedom and, for me, was a noble cause worth remembering and commemorating, despite whatever bad deeds were carried out. we're pragmatic enough to know there was without that negating from the fact that our freedom struggle was a noble one.

Britain's wars noble? With the odd exception that's a very big NO.

I think Pádraig Pearse summed conflict up well when he said, war is a terrible thing but war is not an evil thing. It's the things that make war necessary that are evil.

nail on the head

Morlar

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Most of Britain's wars were with other imperial nations, ably and willingly assisted by the Irish of course.

Except when it was war against the Irish.

stewie01

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Most of Britain's wars were with other imperial nations, ably and willingly assisted by the Irish of course.

It always amuses me the self righteous moral highground some Irish people take, conveniently forgetting that their forefathers were there fighting for the empire and picking up the spoils alongside everyone else.

LIAR

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Hilarious to see how much a simple token of remembrance can send people on here into huge arguments, debates, fits of anger and so on. It appears those of you who insist you want nothing to do with Britain in Ireland are the ones who are also insistent for keeping British issues on the front page of the message board and in everybodies' minds. Go you guys! Obsessed doesn't even begin to describe you.

The poppy means different things to different people. You should never, ever try and dissuade someone from wearing it as it is a hugely personal issue. You come across as deluded, arrogant and rather brutish. But then, you probably are. Some wear it to remember family from the first war, some from the second, some wear it for relatives in Korea, others for Northern Ireland, some for Iraq and Afghanistan. Some wear it as a symbol of remembrance as a whole.

What about this notion can you thick bunch of cretins not grasp?

slapbangwallop

who the fug wrote: »

See you one Kingsmill

I think I will leave the discussion now. :rolleyes:

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Morlar wrote: »

Except when it was war against the Irish.

Jesus Christ. We know your views. You post them year upon year with bewildering frequency. You don't like the British Military, you like less the poppy, you like less than that the Irish wearing it. Maybe just put it in your sig so we can all understand your position and you dont have to clog up a thread with countless posts repeating the same points to the same opinions of others.

Fratton Fred

slapbangwallop wrote: »

is that what your argument has come down to?

Would wearing a Poppy commemorate the carpet bombing of Dresden?

No, because that was a military action. The poppy commemorates the people, now the war.

Tiocfaidh Armani

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Hilarious to see how much a simple token of remembrance can send people on here into huge arguments, debates, fits of anger and so on. It appears those of you who insist you want nothing to do with Britain in Ireland are the ones who are also insistent for keeping British issues on the front page of the message board and in everybodies' minds. Go you guys! Obsessed doesn't even begin to describe you.

The poppy means different things to different people. You should never, ever try and dissuade someone from wearing it as it is a hugely personal issue. You come across as deluded, arrogant and rather brutish. But then, you probably are. Some wear it to remember family from the first war, some from the second, some wear it for relatives in Korea, others for Northern Ireland, some for Iraq and Afghanistan. Some wear it as a symbol of remembrance as a whole.

What about this notion can you thick bunch of cretins not grasp?

This is an internet forum, people give different opinions on things, that's how it works. See if you can't except that and wanna abuse people for daring to disagree wth people about things then you're on the wrong forum.

Madam

No (I'm Irish)

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Hilarious to see how much a simple token of remembrance can send people on here into huge arguments, debates, fits of anger and so on. It appears those of you who insist you want nothing to do with Britain in Ireland are the ones who are also insistent for keeping British issues on the front page of the message board and in everybodies' minds. Go you guys! Obsessed doesn't even begin to describe you.

The poppy means different things to different people. You should never, ever try and dissuade someone from wearing it as it is a hugely personal issue. You come across as deluded, arrogant and rather brutish. But then, you probably are. Some wear it to remember family from the first war, some from the second, some wear it for relatives in Korea, others for Northern Ireland, some for Iraq and Afghanistan. Some wear it as a symbol of remembrance as a whole.

What about this notion can you thick bunch of cretins not grasp?

You missed one reason out Londonirish90 - RESPECT - no matter whether its a poppie(white or red) or a lily!

Fratton Fred

stewie01 wrote: »

LIAR

Pants on fire.

Sorry, I forgot, this is a land of Saints and scholars full of people who were busy attending mass and watching comely maidens when the nasty Brits came along, stole all the spuds and then Fianna Fail and the Catholic Church rescued you.

No irish people, ever, benefitted from Britain, engaged in imperial wars, slavery etc.

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

what am I dealing with here? :rolleyes:

Yes, I have already said that the Lily is loaded, but so is the Poppy!

The Poppy implies support for the British Army today, it implies a Unionist agenda,it implies Britishness.

Only in your feeble brain.

I wear a poppy, I had one on my jacket in Ireland last year. I couldn't give a toss about unionism or republicanism. The poppy doesn't impy anything of the sort. You have unfortunately made a conclusion to support your own views. Anyway, even if it did, who cares? Differing political views arent allowed? Already in here people have strangely posted about how they wear the lily in Scotland as if its a get it right up you to the British government on their own soil of something. Cringeworthy, So few would care. They are allowed differing emotional viewpoints and political standings. It is their right as people in Britain. As it is the right of people in Ireland to want to rejoin the union. You clearly dont, so dont meet up with them. Problem solves. Stop being a bigot.

Tiocfaidh Armani

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No, because that was a military action. The poppy commemorates the people, now the war.

People who take part in largely imperialist wars are not fir for commemorating, just the same as I wouldn't agree with commemorating the Germans of WWI. It's an endorsement of their war no matter what way you dress it up.

I find it sad that such a noble fight that was WWII is being bogged down and tarred by the same imperialism they died fighting.

Fratton Fred

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

People who take part in largely imperialist wars are not fir for commemorating, just the same as I wouldn't agree with commemorating the Germans of WWI. It's an endorsement of their war no matter what way you dress it up.

I find it sad that such a noble fight that was WWII is being bogged down and tarred by the same imperialism they died fighting.

Dresden was WWII last time I looked.

As I have said ad nauseam, the majority of those who died in WWI were conscripts, the futility of the war makes their death even more worthy of remembrance.

And WWI wasn't an imperialist war, it was one fought between empires.

Morlar

who the fug wrote: »

Also a previous poster

wearing a poppy does not necessarily make you a southern unionist

I accept that. I know people who do wear it and are not Southern Unionist.

At the same time there is an element of southern unionism who are trying to use this issue in a disingenous manner, and who are (in my view) more concerned with advancing a pro-union agenda, than they are about genuinely remembering the Irish War dead.

Morlar

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Jesus Christ. We know your views. You post them year upon year with bewildering frequency. You don't like the British Military, you like less the poppy, you like less than that the Irish wearing it. Maybe just put it in your sig so we can all understand your position and you dont have to clog up a thread with countless posts repeating the same points to the same opinions of others.

Aww, bless !

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

This is an internet forum, people give different opinions on things, that's how it works. See if you can't except that and wanna abuse people for daring to disagree wth people about things then you're on the wrong forum.

Ironic seeing as you are getting annoyed at Irish people wearing a symbol because you disagree with it. Maybe you don't like the political freedoms offered to you? Maybe I'm on the wrong forum but you are possibly on the wrong continent.

Morlar

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Ironic seeing as you are getting annoyed at Irish people wearing a symbol because you disagree with it. Maybe you don't like the political freedoms offered to you? Maybe I'm on the wrong forum but you are possibly on the wrong continent.

Maybe ?

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Morlar wrote: »

Maybe ?

There has been no substance whatsoever in any of your posts in this argument to warrant such oddly smug and condescending posts really. You sure think a lot of your own intellect, far more than I think of it anyway. Carry on with your begrudgery and bigotry.

who the fug

Morlar wrote: »

I accept that. I know people who do wear it and are not Southern Unionist.

At the same time there is an element of southern unionism who are trying to use this issue in a disingenous manner, and who are (in my view) more concerned with advancing a pro-union agenda, than they are about genuinely remembering the Irish War dead.

and their doppelgangers may be doing the same on the other side.


Be nice to have one November with a live let live attitude

KeithAFC

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Morlar wrote: »

I accept that. I know people who do wear it and are not Southern Unionist.

At the same time there is an element of southern unionism who are trying to use this issue in a disingenous manner, and who are (in my view) more concerned with advancing a pro-union agenda, than they are about genuinely remembering the Irish War dead.

You could say the same thing about Sinn Fein who use the lily and put many Irish people in the Republic off from wearing it. Sinn Fein abusing the lily and the Irish language. Worse than the Poppy abusers.

partyguinness

LordSutch wrote: »

Jezus, where do they get them :rolleyes:

Either you live in a parrallel universe, or you are too young to know any better? I live in Dublin & I wear the Poppy every year to commerate my Irish grandad and the fifty thousand other Irish men who died in the Great War & WWII, we also commerate all the other people who died in the two world wars. the Poppy is the perfect symbol to commerate the futility of war, and the reason the poppy is used is because that is what grows on Flanders Fields, where so many good Irish, British, Canadian, American, & German men died . . . . .

Come the week leading up to the 11th/Nov I will as usual be wearing my poppy on the streets of Dublin as a mark of respect to those who died for our freedom against the tyranny of the enemy, in the Great War & World War II. On the 11th/Nov I will be attending 'St patricks Cathedral Dublin' to mark the Armistice itself which was signed at the 11th hour, on the 11th Day, of the 11th Month (the President usually attends), and on the nearest Sunday to the 11th, my local Parish Church in South Dublin will also hold a service of commeration, poppies will be worn by most of the congregation & the last post played by a lone bugler as the names of the fallen 'from that parish' are read out . . . . . . .

Every year we get a thread about this, and every year its learning time again (for some) who are either too young to know about the poppy, or who missed some of their history lessons in school.

LOL...ah yes...resort to patronising that's the spirit old chap....next you will start pointing out spelling errors..:rolleyes:

I am pretty sure that we all too young to know anything about Poppy Day in that case as 1918 was 93 years ago.

If you want to wear a Poppy....good for you and enjoy the day. But strange that you mention the futility of war when the UK is still engaged in foreign adventures and sending back dead soldiers from Iraq and Afgan.

It seems that people have very short memories indeed...or perhaps they are just too young to understand...;)

Morlar

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

There has been no substance whatsoever in any of your posts in this argument to warrant such oddly smug and condescending posts really. You sure think a lot of your own intellect, far more than I think of it anyway. Carry on with your begrudgery and bigotry.

Considering this is representative of the tone of your contributions :

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Jesus Christ. We know your views. You post them year upon year with bewildering frequency. You don't like the British Military, you like less the poppy, you like less than that the Irish wearing it. Maybe just put it in your sig so we can all understand your position and you dont have to clog up a thread with countless posts repeating the same points to the same opinions of others.

I certainly DO have a higher opinion of my contribution to this discussion (along with that of several others) than I do of yours.

slapbangwallop

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Only in your feeble brain.

I wear a poppy, I had one on my jacket in Ireland last year. I couldn't give a toss about unionism or republicanism. The poppy doesn't impy anything of the sort. You have unfortunately made a conclusion to support your own views. Anyway, even if it did, who cares? Differing political views arent allowed? Already in here people have strangely posted about how they wear the lily in Scotland as if its a get it right up you to the British government on their own soil of something. Cringeworthy, So few would care. They are allowed differing emotional viewpoints and political standings. It is their right as people in Britain. As it is the right of people in Ireland to want to rejoin the union. You clearly dont, so dont meet up with them. Problem solves. Stop being a bigot.

So I am a dopey bigot because I dont agree with you? :rolleyes:

You dont live in Ireland so you may not understand that wearing a Poppy implies those things, although I think you do.

Dont take my "dopey bigotted" word for it. Look what CAIN says about the Poppy.

"The symbol has long been the preserve of the Unionist community as it is seen as unequivocally British."

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/symbols/unionloyal.htm

If you feel like educating yourself instead of mudslinging maybe you could disgest this article - http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/maybe_it_s_time_for_a_green_poppy_instead_1_2117641

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Morlar wrote: »

Considering this is representative of the tone of your contributions :




I certainly DO have a higher opinion of my contribution to this discussion (along with that of several others) than I do of yours.

And as I already said, just carry on with your bigotry and your obsession. The fact you have such differing views to mine (i won't say wrong, I understand unlike yourself that people should be allowed differing opinions and motives) I cannot take any of your political views seriously and therefore I find your contributions in general absolutely abhorrent. But as I say, we have the freedom to cast our differing views here.

Fratton Fred

Out of curiosity, who was it that got the Irish people out of Libya when the **** hit the fan?

LondonIrish90

No (I'm British/not Irish)

slapbangwallop wrote: »

So I am a dopey bigot because I dont agree with you? :rolleyes:

You dont live in Ireland so you may not understand that wearing a Poppy implies those things, although I think you do.

Dont take my "dopey bigotted" word for it. Look what CAIN says about the Poppy.

"The symbol has long been the preserve of the Unionist community as it is seen as unequivocally British."

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/symbols/unionloyal.htm

If you feel like educating yourself instead of mudslinging maybe you could disgest this article - http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/maybe_it_s_time_for_a_green_poppy_instead_1_2117641

I couldn't care less what CAIN, whoever the are, say. I'm surprised you do. I care about as much for their views as I do for the views of the scumbag who was taken for a ride by MI5 recently in the Baltic. Are you saying you think and live life on the same level as them then? I am saddened for you.

I go by the statements given out by the RBL, who promote no sort of Irish unionism in the campaign in any way. They are the ones who distribute the poppy, they are the one who look after servicemen and women who need their support. Not these jokers from cain, who i have no knowledge of.