Cats been given antifreeze

doctor evil

planetX wrote: »

There is something very wrong with someone who could leave out poison, or who would shoot a tame pet for that matter. It starts off with vile behaviour towards animals, and where does it end? I hope the neighbourhood don't let their kids go trick or treating near that house.

If a farmer shoots a pet roaming dog going after his flock is he/she vile?

How about if a cat is damaging someone elses property/livelyhood. Cats can be one of the biggest groups after corvids that damage silage bales. Cats do not just use their paw pads for traction they use their claws too.

I don't agree with casual use of poison but in some cases covered poison is needed.

doctor evil

TonyFella wrote: »

No need to kill cats just move them on!!

This I disagree with unless they were not being looked after and they were taken to a rescue. Some owners of cats are elderly and the cat is literally their only company.

The Sweeper

TonyFella wrote: »

No need to kill cats just move them on!!

Perspective: people who drive up the Dublin mountains, stray their dog out of the car and speed off probably think exactly the same thing. "Sure he'll eat rabbits" and "Maybe some nice hiker will adopt him".

The reality of any animal caught and released in a strange habitat is that fear, cold, hunger, thirst, disease and death often soon follow. I'd rather see you trap them and turn them over to your council for humane euthanasia.

TonyFella

doctor evil wrote: »

This I disagree with unless they were not being looked after and they were taken to a rescue. Some owners of cats are elderly and the cat is literally their only company.

Taken to a rescue and owners collect it and same thing happens again eh? When cats are killing your birds and you cant find out who owns them put them in the car drive over to the northside and let them go. Beats killing them dont you think?

Traonach

doctor evil wrote: »

If a farmer shoots a pet roaming dog going after his flock is he/she vile?

How about if a cat is damaging someone elses property/livelyhood. Cats can be one of the biggest groups after corvids that damage silage bales. Cats do not just use their paw pads for traction they use their claws too.

I don't agree with casual use of poison but in some cases covered poison is needed.

In what instances would poisoning be ok and what species could be targeted?

TooManyDogs

TonyFella wrote: »

put them in the car drive over to the northside and let them go

And what did the northside chickens do to deserve chicken-killing cats ???

TonyFella

TooManyDogs wrote: »

And what did the northside chickens do to deserve chicken-killing cats ???

Plenty of pigeons on the northside to keep them busy.

doctor evil

Traonach wrote: »

In what instances would poisoning be ok and what species could be targeted?

Rats/mice with covered bait.

TooManyDogs

TonyFella wrote: »

Plenty of pigeons on the northside to keep them busy.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise the southside was pigeon-free, that's ok then :mad:

The Sweeper

TonyFella wrote: »

When cats are killing your birds and you cant find out who owns them put them in the car drive over to the northside and let them go. Beats killing them dont you think?

You are killing them. You're just doing it slowly, and ensuring they're hungry, thirsty, disorientated, frightened, and possibly injured in a fight first as you dump them into the middle of territory belonged to other cats.

But that's okay, because you don't have to deal with any of that when you drive away do you?

NIMBY attitude for the win.

TonyFella

The Sweeper wrote: »

You are killing them. You're just doing it slowly, and ensuring they're hungry, thirsty, disorientated, frightened, and possibly injured in a fight first as you dump them into the middle of territory belonged to other cats.

But that's okay, because you don't have to deal with any of that when you drive away do you?

NIMBY attitude for the win.

Yes your right and ill keep doing it. If they come on to my property to hunt ill get rid of them. Keep your cats under control and they wont go missing.

The Sweeper

I agree cats should be prevented from roaming using specialist fences or specially constructed outdoor enclosures, or failing that, kept indoors.

But that doesn't justify you essentially pet-napping - taking animals and relocating them to strange territory where they will suffer hunger, thirst and fear and probably die.

As far as I'm concerned, you're right up there with the antifreeze lady.

Have you spoken to your neighbours? Have you actually tried to have a conversation about your concerns?

Have you complained to your council? Have you tried trapping the cats and turning them into rescue, where if their owners are not proactive enough to reclaim them, there is a slim chance they'll be rehomed but if nothing else they'll be humanely euthanised?

Or do you get a buzz out of driving animals into the arsehole of nowhere and dumping them? Making them someone else's problem?

That is inhumane, massively selfish and inherently cruel behaviour. And you're apparently proud of it, because you say you'll keep doing it. What does that make you?

JustAThought

Em. Are cats microchipped usually, like dogs?

TonyFella

The Sweeper wrote: »

I agree cats should be prevented from roaming using specialist fences or specially constructed outdoor enclosures, or failing that, kept indoors.

But that doesn't justify you essentially pet-napping - taking animals and relocating them to strange territory where they will suffer hunger, thirst and fear and probably die.

As far as I'm concerned, you're right up there with the antifreeze lady.

Have you spoken to your neighbours? Have you actually tried to have a conversation about your concerns?

Have you complained to your council? Have you tried trapping the cats and turning them into rescue, where if their owners are not proactive enough to reclaim them, there is a slim chance they'll be rehomed but if nothing else they'll be humanely euthanised?

Or do you get a buzz out of driving animals into the arsehole of nowhere and dumping them? Making them someone else's problem?

That is inhumane, massively selfish and inherently cruel behaviour. And you're apparently proud of it, because you say you'll keep doing it. What does that make you?

I see by the way you talk about cats you must own one. Yes iv tried all my neighbours. spraying with water etc. Iv only done this because they are killing my birds/coming into my house. I like cats my sister owns 3 and a dog I own 3 dogs so I don't get a kick out of hurting animals or proud of what I done i just get the problem solved.

Do you let your cat out during the when your gone to work so it can wander the streets digging holes in peoples gardens and ****ting where kids play if you do expect it to get knocked down or stolen that is the risk your taking.

Getting tired of talking to you. Told you what iv done and I say im not the only one.

Goodluck

kildare.17hmr

Mo60 wrote: »

So its sick and wrong to poison an animal but alright to shoot it?

Yes

Mo60 wrote: »

Just to verify, in this instance, I was refering to a pet animal.

I can understand that sometimes animals have to be humanely destroyed - eg: when worrying sheep etc., but find it abhorrent that someone would deliberately kill someones' pet just because it enters their garden.

i really cant say it enough how bloody annoying it is when it is constant, you cant just have the attitude of ah sure its just a cat, its not my cat and i dont want it there! its really that simple. I put up with it for long enough when i moved into the house im in now, if i wanted cats id get my own

TonyFella wrote: »

Cats should be kept under control just like dogs are. Iv had two hens and one chick killed by two cats that live somewhere around the area. All i know is that they live out in Howth now and hens are safe. No need to kill cats just move them on!!

Thats just making them someone elses problem and possably killing them slowly which is not good

Best thing to do is always talk to the neighbours first and give them a chance to sort it before you do anything.

The Sweeper

TonyFella wrote: »

I see by the way you talk about cats you must own one. Yes iv tried all my neighbours. spraying with water etc. Iv only done this because they are killing my birds/coming into my house. I like cats my sister owns 3 and a dog I own 3 dogs so I don't get a kick out of hurting animals or proud of what I done i just get the problem solved.

Problem not solved. Problem transferred to someone else, or problem alternatively left to die slowly.

TonyFella wrote: »

Do you let your cat out during the when your gone to work so it can wander the streets digging holes in peoples gardens and ****ting where kids play if you do expect it to get knocked down or stolen that is the risk your taking.

I own six cats on a quarter acre block with 6 foot fences blocked off at the bottom and fenced with cat proof fences at the top. My cats cannot leave my yard, and nobody else's cats can come into my yard. So no, my cats do not crap in other people's flower beds, kill their birds or wander on the road. Nor do they mate and scream at 4am, walk over other people's freshly washed cars, or do anything else antisocial.

TonyFella wrote: »

Getting tired of talking to you. Told you what iv done and I say im not the only one.

Goodluck

Well see that's the beauty of the internet, innit? Just because you're tired of talking to me, that doesn't actually mean I have to stop talking to you. I don't give a monkeys if you're not the only one doing it. That doesn't mean it's right.

You are stealing other people's pets and straying them far from home where they are entirely at the mercy of all of the bad things that can happen to cats - dogs, being laminated across the road, so on.

Your solution is animal cruelty. You're damn right you shouldn't be proud of it.

star-pants

TonyFella - take heed of my warning - advocating animal-napping and dumping them elsewhere is not allowed. If you speak of it again, you'll find yourself banned.
That goes for anyone else who thinks that they can get rid of strays themselves.

vampire of kilmainham

shoot the neighbours

star-pants

vampire of kilmainham You've only had two posts in A&PI both of which are not helpful.
I suggest you read the forum charter and think carefully before posting again in here next time.

Zulu

I really wish people didn't let their animals roam. If you insist on letting your animals roam, then you can have no control over the dangers exposed to them, be it traffic, or humans who don't object to feeding them antifreeze.
Never mind the usual seasonal stories about scumbags with fireworks.

Why expose them to danger? It's negligent laziness. Poor creatures.

Wexford1988

Sorry I havent been on all weekend but I would like to thank each and every one of you for your replies and taking time to look at this, As vile as some of the replies its better to get both sides of the story.
Our neighbour just cant be spoken to, they are not nice people and are il say quite angry towards everyone...
I myself am not that much of an animal lover but i hate seeing people being cruel to animals, We have a lot of land with horses, dogs and cats... the cats usually stay around the back of the house but what gets me is the fact the neighbour lures them into there garden to poison them....

As I said Im not that great of an animal lover i just wanted mainly to know if other people had this problem and what options there were to keep the cat out of there garden without approaching the neighbours.

Thanks again for all your comments....

kildare.17hmr

the only option is to keep them confined to your garden unfortunately there is no way to stop them going into the neighbours garden

sambuka41

It is so sad to me that every time an issue around cats being outside comes up that this old debate comes up to the point that some folks are almost defending hurting animals.

OP realistically you have only one option, keep your cats indoors. Its the only way to be sure that they are safe. Its not right that you would have to do that but it is probably the only way.Also 1 cat to lose to this neighbour is more than enough, please your cats are in real danger, keep them in

I think a lot of the people who are anti-cat roaming missed a huge point here, yes the OP must keep their cats confined to protect them but there is someone out there preying on pets and killing them in a horrible manner.This is NEVER justifiable or understandable in my opinion. In this instance the OP has a right to be annoyed that they are having to keep their cats in for such an awful reason and that the laws of our land doesn't recognise cats as pets and companions :mad::mad::mad:

doctor evil

doctor evil wrote: »

It is a cop out to say they are wildlife when not at home and therefore the owner has inpunity.

While I do get where you're coming from, outdoor cats are very different to other typical pets such as dogs. You can't raise a cat to be an outdoors cat and then just decide to completely change it's lifestyle.

Outdoor cats are independent, nocturnal creatures with no litter-box training and wild instinct. If I were in the OP's position (ie. knowing that someone wants to poison your cat) I think an enclosure would be best, and I agree that letting the cats out is clearly an acceptance that they're going to be in danger. But the fact remains that keeping outdoor cats inside on a long term basis is going to cause them distress.

I don't think that cat owners should be allowed to use the "wildlife" argument to ignore their responsibilities, but I also think that they should be worrying about things like "do the neighbours mind", or "is the cat killing chickens/getting into trouble", rather than the disgraceful situation that they should have to worry about someone poisoning their cats with antifreeze.

The Sweeper

true-or-false wrote: »

While I do get where you're coming from, outdoor cats are very different to other typical pets such as dogs. You can't raise a cat to be an outdoors cat and then just decide to completely change it's lifestyle.

Yes you can. It's a bit like 'deed not breed' with dogs - everything depends on the individual cat. Some cats raised indoors from birth have such a hankering for the outside that they'll suffer cystitis from stress and be mildly depressed with their indoor lives. Some cats raised outdoors their whole lives will adjust to couch potato living in a week.

true-or-false wrote: »

Outdoor cats are independent, nocturnal creatures with no litter-box training and wild instinct.

No. Cats that are outdoors are just cats that aren't allowed in the house. Cats aren't nocturnal, they're crepuscular - meaning most active at dawn and dusk. That applies regardless of indoor or outdoor lives - most owners recognise an hour of 8pm 'zoomies' in their indoor cats. Litter box training is instinctual. Cats automatically gravitate to litter-like material to do their business and they're quite fastidious, so with a little careful management of the indoor areas the cat has access to, and the position of the litter tray itself, you can bring outdoor cats around to using the cat litter with few or no accidents. As for wild instincts - all cats have instincts hard-wired into their genetics - you'll watch four week old kittens exhibit the same stalk-pounce play whether they're feral or hand-raised.

true-or-false wrote: »

If I were in the OP's position (ie. knowing that someone wants to poison your cat) I think an enclosure would be best, and I agree that letting the cats out is clearly an acceptance that they're going to be in danger. But the fact remains that keeping outdoor cats inside on a long term basis is going to cause them distress.

Again, that depends entirely on the individual cat. Outdoor living can be very stressful for a cat, and some of them heartily enjoy the safety and security of the indoor 'cocoon'. I do agree that access to an enclosure is best - I've found that all cats enjoy some environmental enrichment, and lying in overgrown grass, watching insects and feeling the breeze appears to be sufficient to achieve that.

true-or-false wrote: »

I don't think that cat owners should be allowed to use the "wildlife" argument to ignore their responsibilities, but I also think that they should be worrying about things like "do the neighbours mind", or "is the cat killing chickens/getting into trouble", rather than the disgraceful situation that they should have to worry about someone poisoning their cats with antifreeze.

I completely agree. Once you make the mindset shift to 'my cats won't be allowed to roam' it's a bit of an epiphany. You never have to stress over where they are or why they're not home. They also don't bring you unwanted half-dead wildlife any more. They don't suffer fight injuries and you don't have to listen to them screeching outside in the small hours of the morning. Vet bills reduce considerably.

Out of my six cats, two could function longer-term as outdoor cats, because they have some street smarts. However, that would be in a quiet environment - all six of them would be roadkill within a week if I lived near a busy road and allowed them outdoors. Of these two, both have tested my yard's escape-proofing, both with a measure of success. However I don't let my cats out when I'm not home, so even when they have escaped it's been for a matter of minutes or hours and I've had them home again.

Two more of the six enjoy outdoor access but display little desire to go any further than my yard, where they mooch about in the grass and play chasing with each other.

Of the remaining two, one couldn't give a monkeys if she was never allowed outside again in her life. The other suffers cystitis that improves markedly with daily access to the outdoors, but again he couldn't cope with the stressors of 'proper' outdoors - dogs, cars, cat-hating humans.

We're about to move house, and our first priorities are settling the cats, and either cat-proofing the yard or building an enclosure. We can rig up a temp enclosure very quickly using steel poles (the kind you might use for a washing line), plumber's pipe fittings (think Mechano - plumber's fittings provide everything you need for corners and T-junctions) and then cargo netting fixed with cable ties, or chicken wire, depending on the level of permanency we require.