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Kimi for williams 2012 ?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭MudSkipper


    all i can say is *DANG*... felt like tuning out after this season with a large number of races being snorefests with only hamiltons antics providing something :p Look forward now to seeing the iceman back in a hopefully capable car :)

    Here's to him blasting mr moany alonso off the track :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Kevski


    amacachi wrote: »
    If Renault and Mercedes both didn't go ahead and start with a clean sheet a good while ago they need to fire some people.

    I think we might see that happening fairly soon. Kimi and Eric Boullier had a fairly public spat towards the end of last season. I've got a feeling that this deal might mean that Boullier is on his way out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    I actually quite like Petrov he is refreshlingly honest but I dont think he is up to the task at hand.

    I can see him in the sport next year. Perhaps he might end up in a HRT, a team which could do with the money he brings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    MudSkipper wrote: »
    all i can say is *DANG*... felt like tuning out after this season with a large number of races being snorefests with only hamiltons antics providing something :p Look forward now to seeing the iceman back in a hopefully capable car :)

    Here's to him blasting mr moany alonso off the track :D

    What a kick in the face that would be to Ferrari after they handing Kimi a lump of cash to make way for Alonso.. To this day I cannot see the justification in that move.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    vectra wrote: »
    What a kick in the face that would be to Ferrari after they handing Kimi a lump of cash to make way for Alonso.. To this day I cannot see the justification in that move.

    Alonso is just about the best driver right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Discodog wrote: »
    Alonso is just about the best driver right now.

    Obviously.. He has beaten everyone on track since he went to Ferrari hasn't he :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    vectra wrote: »
    Obviously.. He has beaten everyone on track since he went to Ferrari hasn't he :rolleyes:

    Not saying I agree with him that Alonso is the best driver on the grid currently but Rome wasn't built in a day, it took MSC 4 seasons at Ferrari and we all know what happened there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Not saying I agree with him that Alonso is the best driver on the grid currently but Rome wasn't built in a day, it took MSC 4 seasons at Ferrari and we all know what happened there.

    It only took Kimi one year at Ferrari and we all know what happened there LOL :D

    INot going off topic but I still say Schumacher had the best car and the most obliging team mates when he won most of those titles.
    As with Alonso.
    Had the better car when he won both titles.. He hasnt done much since to be fair.

    I still think he is over rated. ( Alonso )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    vectra wrote: »
    INot going off topic but I still say Schumacher had the best car and the most obliging team mates when he won most of those titles.
    As with Alonso.
    Had the better car when he won both titles.. He hasnt done much since to be fair.

    I still think he is over rated. ( Alonso )

    I dont think Alonso had the best car in 2006 in 05 the Renault clearly started the season with a dominant car in both seasons but in 06 by the halfway mark Schumacher went on a rampage and Ferrari won seven of the last nine races. When Alonso needed to get a result he pulled it out of the bag in Japan and that effectively clinched the title for him.
    The year before saw Raikkonen and Alonso battle for the title and both took seven wins. McLaren won more races than Renault and each team took seven poles. Kimi's reliability was the main limiting factor in his season not an inherit lack of pace from the McLaren

    Even if you want to believe that Schumi and Alonso had the best car on the grid you could say the same about Hamilton, Button and Vettel in the last four years. Even in 2007 when Raikkonen won the title Ferrari won more races and had more poles than McLaren(9:8 on both counts) and the red cars also had 12 fastest laps in 17 races.
    Fangio always moved teams to go to whoever gave him the best chance of winning titles. Building a team, ala Schumacher and Alonso, is a much more difficult skill and showed their ability and regard on the grid-the best wanted to work with them. Both drivers would have been able to demand one year contracts and move to whichever team offered them the best package for the next year yet they felt it more important to build a team


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    As the fella said "Time will tell"

    Everyone will probably have a big fight on their hands to beat the Bull's again anyway so I guess midfield will be more interesting


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    vectra wrote: »
    Obviously.. He has beaten everyone on track since he went to Ferrari hasn't he :rolleyes:

    He has consistent driven well in an often poor car. His starts are superb. You obviously can't tell the difference between car & driver performance.

    There have been rumours of Kimi's return for ages yet none of the major teams showed interest. Kimi has some bridge building to do:

    Former Formula One world champion Kimi Raikkonen has angrily rejected talk he could make a return to F1 next season driving for Renault.
    The 2007 champion now drives in the world rally championship, but Renault boss Eric Boullier said Raikkonen had been in touch about coming back to F1.
    But the former Ferrari driver, now 30, criticised Renault for using his name for "their own marketing purposes".
    "It's 100% certain I will not drive for Renault in 2011," said Raikkonen.



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9065307.stm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Discodog wrote: »
    You obviously can't tell the difference between car & driver performance.

    I assume what you mean is that the F60 was a bucket and must have taken some driver to make it perform?


    As for this post you have lost me. What are you trying to say?
    Discodog wrote: »
    Former Formula One world champion Kimi Raikkonen has angrily rejected talk he could make a return to F1 next season driving for Renault.
    The 2007 champion now drives in the world rally championship, but Renault boss Eric Boullier said Raikkonen had been in touch about coming back to F1.
    But the former Ferrari driver, now 30, criticised Renault for using his name for "their own marketing purposes".
    "It's 100% certain I will not drive for Renault in 2011," said Raikkonen.



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9065307.stm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Discodog wrote: »
    "It's 100% certain I will not drive for Renault in 2011," said Raikkonen.

    Well he was spot on there wasn't he

    This will he won't he stuff is getting tiring, he's a great driver, but all this fanfare is a bit much at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    vectra wrote: »
    As for this post you have lost me. What are you trying to say?

    The article speaks for itself. Kimi had a public row with Renault & Boulier, & said that he was not joining the team & now he is. Maybe he changed his mind because no one else was interested or because of the money - he is one of the richest sportsmen in the World.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Well he was spot on there wasn't he

    This will he won't he stuff is getting tiring, he's a great driver, but all this fanfare is a bit much at this stage.

    He is just another driver. Schumi was going to set the world alight on his return & .......... But I would of dropped Schumi & signed Sutil :D

    If Kubica had made a full recovery there is no was that any team would sign Kimi ahead of him.

    I am of two minds about the return of past drivers. It's great for viewing figures but damaging for the younger talent & anyone driving alongside Kimi will be a definite No2. I wonder how Kimi will react if his team mate is quicker ? It took Schumi a long time to adapt because the cars are very different now.

    As with any driver change these days it is very hard to separate how much of it is about talent & how much is about money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    vectra wrote: »
    I assume what you mean is that the F60 was a bucket and must have taken some driver to make it perform?

    Well Luca gave it 5 out of 10 so by Ferrari standards it was poor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Discodog wrote: »
    The article speaks for itself. Kimi had a public row with Renault & Boulier, & said that he was not joining the team & now he is. Maybe he changed his mind because no one else was interested or because of the money - he is one of the richest sportsmen in the World.

    It was Renault and Boulier persuaded Kimi to return
    Not the other way round so whatever happened last year it must have been Kimi who was correct in what he said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,110 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I think he will struggle for the first few races, but he should get back to decent form, depending on the car really.
    Originally Posted by Discodog View Post
    Alonso is just about the best driver right now.
    Obviously.. He has beaten everyone on track since he went to Ferrari hasn't he

    In relation to this, I have to laugh. The majority of the consensus between F1 jurnos and commentators is that Alonso was way out preforming the 150, he got that tractor to 2nd in Abu Dhabi.

    Its clear Ferrari are far more comfortable with Alonso in the current formula, and that's where Kimi didnt fit in Ferrari. They like a leader, and neither Kimi or Massa were able to take that mantel after Michael left. Massa was coming close to it in 09 but his accident stopped that.

    I think Bouiller is the only man who can get anything out of Kimi, but if he thinks he can't then Kimi will get the boot, he did it with Mick this year. Its a good deal for both though, Kimi gets a better car than he may have gotten with Williams, Lotus get to use him for advertising their cars (Merc pulled this trick with Michael as well) and the attraction of a former champion for new sponsors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    So who is going to get the number 2 slot ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,110 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Discodog wrote: »
    So who is going to get the number 2 slot ?

    I would say Grojean, he seems to be very popular with Boullier, but then you never know in F1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭freestyla


    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see how he will perform at Lotus next year. Lotus Renault had a good start to season, then they slipped back.

    It's like Renault stopped developing this years car after it confirmed that Kubica is not driving and Petrov-Heidfeld combination didnt work, their battles werent helping on reliable feedback.

    Actually Petrov said while ago they didnt get new parts for half a year.

    Genii Capitals said that their team was on a new strategy already for a while, building (financial?)foundation for the next season and Kimi is just first step of big announcements to follow.

    Welcome back Ice man and hopefully could fight for podiums or at least with Merc!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    freestyla wrote: »
    It's like Renault stopped developing this years car after it confirmed that Kubica is not driving and Petrov-Heidfeld combination didnt work, their battles werent helping on reliable feedback.

    Actually Petrov said while ago they didnt get new parts for half a year.

    I was happy when Renault hired Heidfeld. He is very good on technical side and giving feedback. He finished in the points in 6 out of the 11 races including his 3rd place finish in Malaysia. I do agree with what you say about the Petrov-Heidfeld on giving feedback.

    As for Petrov, he said the car at the end of season was pretty much the same at the start of the season, and when new parts came, they were useless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 417 ✭✭twincamman


    f1 can have him !!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBP1T_jw5w


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    twincamman wrote: »
    f1 can have him !!!!!!!!!

    There will always be one on every forum..

    Show us at which point did Kimi actually push that child or deliberatly knock it over..

    I suppose next suggestion will be for Renault to install Cooler machines and ice cream fridges in their pitlanes..


    Grow up dude.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    vectra wrote: »
    There will always be one on every forum..

    Well I agree with him so now there are two :p

    Kimi could of walked back & shown a tiny bit of concern. After all he is a major representative of his team. Many considered him to be a poor Champion because he had very little interaction when promoting the Sport unlike Button, Hamilton, & Vettel.
    freestyla wrote: »
    Actually Petrov said while ago they didnt get new parts for half a year.
    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    As for Petrov, he said the car at the end of season was pretty much the same at the start of the season, and when new parts came, they were useless.

    Great way to pitch for a 2012 drive !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Alter-Ego


    Racing incident IMO. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Alter-Ego wrote: »
    Racing incident IMO. :pac:

    And typical Kimi that he didn't five a **** afterwards :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Ficus wrote: »
    Yes, and on here i sometimes think its you!!! Your Kimi loving ways have seem to have blinded you in the fact that kimi is a grade a asshole, who had he any bloody decency would have helped the child up, regardless if he hit her.
    Another note is that incident obviously happened in the paddock, and people who have access in the paddock are the movers and shakers of the f1 business, so who knows whose kid it could have been. As said above, kimi not giving a f**k, well i suppose that was his problem for half his career at ferrari, and why they moved him on so quickly.


    Not at all,
    I like Kimi as a driver simply because he couldn't give a flying fcuk what anyone say about him, ( a bit like myself actually. ;) )

    As for those people in the paddock?
    A bunch of $hitheads that think they can push themselves and their families in anyones way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    vectra wrote: »
    Not at all,
    I like Kimi as a driver simply because he couldn't give a flying fcuk what anyone say about him, ( a bit like myself actually. ;) )

    Apparently not so:
    Discodog wrote: »
    But the former Ferrari driver, now 30, criticised Renault for using his name for "their own marketing purposes".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Discodog wrote: »
    Apparently not so:


    There is a difference between somebody criticising him and what you posted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    vectra wrote: »
    There is a difference between somebody criticising him and what you posted.
    Kimi was the one doing the criticising ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Top Dog wrote: »
    Kimi was the one doing the criticising ;)

    I know that.
    But why did he criticise them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    vectra wrote: »
    But why did he criticise them?
    He criticised them for apparently using his name for marketing purposes. Fair enough him criticising them - but it goes against your claim that he doesn't give a f**k what people say about him. If he criticised them then it would mean that it did bother him and he did give a f**k ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Top Dog wrote: »
    He criticised them for apparently using his name for marketing purposes. Fair enough him criticising them - but it goes against your claim that he doesn't give a f**k what people say about him. If he criticised them then it would mean that it did bother him and he did give a f**k ;)

    And maybe he got miffed because at that time there might of been a possibility of a better drive elsewhere. The worries with Kimi have been that he doesn't give a **** full stop.

    Lotus/renault need a good development/feedback driver & I doubt if that's Kimi especially after a long lay off. All the rumours suggest that Kimi likes to arrive, drive & go home in as shorter time as possible. I wonder if the no testing regulations encouraged him back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Top Dog wrote: »
    He criticised them for apparently using his name for marketing purposes. Fair enough him criticising them - but it goes against your claim that he doesn't give a f**k what people say about him. If he criticised them then it would mean that it did bother him and he did give a f**k ;)
    Discodog wrote: »
    And maybe he got miffed because at that time there might of been a possibility of a better drive elsewhere. The worries with Kimi have been that he doesn't give a **** full stop.

    Lotus/renault need a good development/feedback driver & I doubt if that's Kimi especially after a long lay off. All the rumours suggest that Kimi likes to arrive, drive & go home in as shorter time as possible. I wonder if the no testing regulations encouraged him back.


    Discodog basically answered it for me.
    There is a huge difference between People mocking or running you down as a driver.. But it is a totally different scenario when a team could jeopardising your career.

    You surely copped on to what I mean't in my post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    vectra wrote: »
    But it is a totally different scenario when a team could jeopardising your career.
    How could a team mentioning him possibly jeopardise his career? Surely the opposite would be true, whereby mention of his interest in returning might encourage other teams to go after him - thus improving his career prospects?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,934 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Top Dog wrote: »
    How could a team mentioning him possibly jeopardise his career? Surely the opposite would be true, whereby mention of his interest in returning might encourage other teams to go after him - thus improving his career prospects?

    The only way that it could jeopardise him is if he had agreed, in principle, to sign with another team. Bit like when Hamilton suffered brain fade & tried to talk to Horner who, according to reports, told him to get lost :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Top Dog wrote: »
    How could a team mentioning him possibly jeopardise his career? Surely the opposite would be true, whereby mention of his interest in returning might encourage other teams to go after him - thus improving his career prospects?

    Here now, This foolishness could be round and round forever
    He never did agree to go with Renault back then but Renault insisted he was.. Simple as that.
    He got offended by that.
    Can you see a problem with him having a problem with that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    vectra wrote: »
    Can you see a problem with him having a problem with that?
    As I've already said above - if he had an issue with them then thats fair enough. I'll say no more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Top Dog wrote: »
    As I've already said above - if he had an issue with them then thats fair enough. I'll say no more.

    Of course he had.
    What I was suggesting is Kimi doesn't give a damn what the public say about him


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    car-crash.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    vectra wrote: »
    Huhh?? :confused:

    What this thread is turning into :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    EnterNow wrote: »
    What this thread is turning into :)

    Kimi Bashing??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    vectra wrote: »
    Kimi Bashing??

    A Car Crash! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭losthorizon


    I'm reading it for the entertainment value! Loved the throw away comment "you Kimi lover" as if it was the greatest insult ever. Hmm - I suppose it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    ohlookitsthisthreadagai.jpg

    We either need a sticky for all this Kimi related shi*te (since there is going to be much more of it in future) or Vectra needs to go start a fansite or a blog to help satisfy his seemingly insatiable urge to talk about him constantly.


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